Motorcycle Riding Pants: A Crash Course

[@programmingfortheweb]

CE and DOT are not the same. CE rating is specified by the European Union so that the item conforms to the minimum standard. A CE rated Helmet, for example, has to pass a much high set of tests than a DOT. CE rated kit is pretty good from a safety point of view.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thank you! I was referring to CEs armor standards, I shouldn't have compared it to DOT standards because that implies helmet testing, which of course CE is head and shoulders above DOT for helmets. The reference was meant to relate CEs armor regulations as strict as DOTs helmet regulations. Sorry for the confusion! You are absolutely correct.

[@garrettsmith8286]

Look at the back of any quality phone charger or tag on some athletic underwear & you'll see a CE certified mark! CE stands for “Conformité Européene” in French. Don't be so quick to assume its going to be more protective than another product. Its just a form of certification/measurement that started out in Europe. After selling & testing products from one of the largest MC accessory distributors in the world I can tell you CE isn't always a solid conformation of a quality product that may surpass other standards. It has its own loop holes as well. When it comes to helmets especially its all based on how you crash & well, if we all knew that we'd all have perfect protective gear that works a 100% of the time but that doesn't exist. Snell may prove better in one crash scenario than CE or the other way around and DOT my prove better than CE in a different scenario.

[@programmingfortheweb]

DOT Helmet Standard review: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnO4qqNpfb1rmbs

[@paulaus]

Just because the Garment says CE it doesn't mean the whole pant/jacket has been tested to CE levels. It may only be the armour that has CE ratings. There are a few articles around that explain what the manufacturers try and get away with.

[@programmingfortheweb]

@@paulaus CE applies to those parts that need certification. So quite rightly, the CE certification may not cover the whole item. Some items like gloves and helmets need to have the whole item to be certified.

[@othoapproto9603]

I don't think most people understand how valuable this channel is. Tim has worked his ass off to make this channel consistently great. If I were a RevZilla I would put Tim on the payroll.

[@yomstergilla7683]

Agreed, is a great channel 👍

[@brianmartindale2221]

I'm newish to moto from for decades of MTB trail and travel and I am so glad to have resources like these videos before I jump all in, which I'll do. I appreciate the time, thought, and considerations of the FTA stream

[@LexGrossmansDog]

Love you Tim, think your channel is great! I have to tell you that DOT is not the same as CE ratings. There is a lot of history here, but the reason riders today have good armor protection is because of euro standards require it. They are too restrictive on emissions, but CE is great! DOT only is required for helmets and hasn’t been updated since 1972. DOT also makes the companies adhere to these standards without oversight. That is why Chinese copies use cheap DOT stickers because there is no way to punish them...it’s a “at risk” deal. Fort nine and many other vids speak about ratings and DOT misnomers, so I advise research before saying they are the same thing involving safety standards and equipment. Keep making great videos. 😊

[@richardshilling2958]

I have Kelver jeans, cordura and leather. I came off wearing my textile at 50mph wore through all the way but stopped sliding just before my skin touched the road. My leather jacket was just scuffed. For road use in the UK I'm not going out without leather pants and jacket now! I totally get anyone using textile or Jean in hot climates but just not for me now. I love my skin. Great video.

[@jacob_1866]

I went down in sweat pants after hitting a deer, and yes skin is very important as I am now lacking a lot of it..

[@Naes755]

I've had my pair of Dakar pants for just on a year now and they get ridden every time I'm on the bike all over in various terrains and situations. Fantastic pants, super comfortable. The vents are good and solid and they are warm enough for the cold mornings.

[@FTAAdventures]

Excellent, great to know you are happy with them too, especially after long term use. Thanks!

[@binness]

A thing I would like to add about pockets in clothing, is you don't have to put anything inside if you don't want to, but the pocket itself gives you an extra layer of fabric to rub on the road, hopefully you will never have to rely on this, keep on riding my friend and stay safe. Bob in the UK

[@Loiczzr]

I bought the same one about 2 years ago. Works well in Vegas heat. In winter I just put rain pants on top of them to stop the cold air. Yes, when adding knee pads they seems to be too low when standing up but as soon as you are bending your knee the pad is right where it supposed to be. I bought the hip pad but didn't like the way they fit so I removed them. It's a great pair of pants for the money

[@tedcrum]

I'm impressed that you tracked down the Denier. Weights under 1d are called Microfiber. "Reactive armor" is a name stolen from the exploding tank armor that deflects HEAT rounds. Actually it's closer to a Temperpedic mattress - visco-elastic like a mixture of oil and rubber. Off road the big danger isn't sliding or impact energy, it's the sharp corner of a big rock that you hit knee first. I wear hard-shell MX armor under my Dakar pants. OTB keeps mud out of the boot.

[@garmit61]

Leather is great for racing on tracks because of it’s abrasive qualities. Injuries when you hit the road are worse with materials that do not allow you to slide. Leather is great because you can slide for long distances on the deck. As you said, the downside is that leather is hopeless for insulation so they’re uncomfortably hot in the summer and uncomfortably cold in the winter. Which ever you go for I’d recommend merino base layers because this has great insulative and wicking qualities. I’d go for a waterproof Kevlar blend in pants with hip, knee/shin protection. In Europe these can be very cheap (similar price to riding jeans) but much more comfortable. I love my ARMR jeans and have ridden in the hot, cold and wet without issues.

[@jrdepew]

The Klim Dakar are my first motorcycle pants. Very pleased with all aspects of them. The price is very reasonable too. I use the pockets a lot. The technical detailing and use of multiple material types plus the good looks. Wish they had them in a grey color. Better for summer.

[@ThisTall]

I think this is now the 5th item you’ve reviewed that I’ve decided on after a year online researching. The Dakar isn’t built for touring cause it’s not waterproof but it seems perfect in every other way. It took me a year to finally learn that a lot of guys still just use rain gear over there high end suites. So that makes the Dakar the perfect Touring year imo. And 50% cheaper then some others, like the Carlsbad or drystar stuff.

[@Loiczzr]

I bought some rain riding pant from cycle gear. $ 30 I keep them in my bag, they don't take much space at all, if it start to rain just put them over. Don't even need to remove my boots.

[@motorcycle4fun]

I just got back from a 4,000 mile trip with the KLIM Dakar paints. I loved them!

[@397coney7]

Food for thought; my brother was wearing anti-tear pants and very pricey high rise leather boots while riding. He was side swiped by an SUV. Long story short, his lower leg got so chewed up while he slid 50 feet, that it needed to be amputated. I couldn’t believe what his leg looked like, even though he had very expensive protective riding gear on. I think if he was wearing regular jeans, the outcome would have been the same. Certainly couldn’t be worse.

[@mickcuthbert8792]

Some quite useful info. As a brit doing the NC500 in Scotland next week we can get all four seasons in one day so we really need touring pants and really warm weather will no be an issue.keep the vids coming fella.

[@jameswitt605]

I Used a brand of riding pants called "Draggin Jeans" that are made in Australia. The denim is 700 and the Kevlar lining in all critical areas is 300. Never had a major fall off but they performed well in a couple of minor off's when trying to punt my fully loaded roadster bike through sand pits interspersed with graded gravel. When cold I wore thermals underneath them, and I had a pair of rain pants that fit over if needed. As my bike has no faring but does have a windscreen, I always have plenty of air across my legs and hips, so plenty of ventilation on the hot days of which we have plenty in Western Australia.

[@frostbitevinnie]

I have spent way too much on mc gear that just didnt perform for the extreme riding conditions I have encountered over time. That being heat or heavy downpours. Venting and waterproof were always the issue. I avoided klim and aerostitch due to their high cost. Looking back I have spent more on gear that didnt perform than if I had just bought the good stuff! I finally bought klim and couldent be happier. The altitude line gave me exactly what I needed. Excellent multiple jacket vents and pant vents. Definitely waterproof as last week in 40f temps and solid rain my undergarments, long john below and long sleeve t, I was completely dry. For shorter riders there are options that most men dont consider. When trying on altitude pants they were way too long and frumpy for my 32" waist, 30" inseem. They just looked aweful! The sales gal quietely asked if I would consider a womens size. The styling is identical but the fit for me was just right. It may be embarrassing for a man to wear a womens pant but really if the pant tag is never seen no one is the wiser. So thar ya are!

[@patrickperron792]

SAME FOR ME !!! Learned to do things right the first time out of that !

[@rossvelardi6822]

I bought a really nice BMW Street Guard jacket, size 42, fit like a glove and was in red which I prefer for day visibility. Tried it on, had all the armor in the right places (except chest armor) with little play so I wasn't too worried about hot spots. Paid the BMW premium and took it home....where I noticed it was the women's model. Still have the jacket and love it; with one exception as Tim has mentioned about his BMW pants....the material is heavier and therefore warmer on the hot days. Small price to pay in relation to how well the jacket works in so many environments and for protection. Can't help but say that I was just a little self conscious at first that it was the woman's model but I got over my self induced psycho babble quite quickly.

[@CGR89]

Personally for day to day riding and commuting I’m a big fan of riding jeans. The ones I use have an abrasion resistant material on the inside from the top to about midway down the calf and d30 armor in the hips and knees. Once I take the jacket off and lock it to the bike I look like everyone else.

[@norsefalconer]

You might just be the safest, depending on your brand of jeans. This newly formed group tests riding gear. They haven't been around long, so their database is still pretty limited (they haven't tested Klim gear, for example). But so far, it seems Dragin brand jeans are far safer than even high end textile pants. Who knew? www.motocap.com.au

[@gregoryjohnwilson2108]

Hood jeans are fantastic, fully lined with kevla and D30 knee and hip armor

[@billmcnamara5942]

I picked up the Klim Badlands several years ago. I have to say lost track of how many times I have gone down in the dirt and the armor seemed to help a lot. The ting that I found most interesting was the ceramic dots in the slid areas. I have see the results of 2 people hitting that asphalt and the dots were just a little bit worn never got through to the material. almost any other manufacture would need new outfit.

[@supertech7542]

Thanks again Tim for another interesting topic with your calming voice, I don't find myself skipping forward on your videos. I still have my leathers in the closet ,but have moved to the textile outer wear due to the extreme weather changes on my rides.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thanks Bryan, I appreciate that!

[@addyverhoeven7591]

Thank for the video. I once came off at a fairly low speed wearing leather pants. They saved my skin 👏 but the deep bruising on my hip hurt for weeks (no hip pads). I now wear Hein Gericke cordura mesh pants with hip protection included because I never want to experience that pain again. Really like your video’s 👏👏👏

[@cindytownes87]

Hi Tim We just bought our first bike. Your channel is very helpful. Thank you!

[@stape510]

Nice comprehensive vid on riding pants...I prefer leather up top for gloves and jacket...textile down low for pants and pads...great content...Thanks!...👍

[@ianwestlake7736]

Thanks Tim, great choice! I love my Klim Dakar OTB pants, and not too spendy for Klim! I rode 6000 miles on/off road up the continental divide last Sept, camped out every night, the pants were awesome, I used D30 knee pads, they were great so I’ve added D30 hip pads ready for the Pacific Divide this summer. The vents work great and the zippers make it easy for big adventure boots like Forma Terra. If you are looking for a jacket to go with it, check out the Fieldsheer vented tour, unbelievable temp control! Thanks for all the great advice & inspiration! Cheers, Ian

[@mjordan812]

Overpant fan here - Aerostich Darien, specifically. I don't wear them over street pants (as you mentioned, they're bulky), but rather over wicking leggings. They keep my legs cool and dry in hot weather and I add heated pants liners when it gets chilly. I tend to ride for 2-3 weeks or so at a whack, so I'm pretty much living in my riding gear.

[@diegofianza3525]

Many textile protective gear has leather sewn in high impact areas or areas that contact the motorcycle. Makes sense considering the slide factor and wear (as in repetitive) factor.

[@mpogue10]

Great topic Tim. I find riding gear is a very personal and difficult decision to make. Safety, comfort, gear style, weather and even body style all come into play as to what works for you. Even though some pants may be baggy, the ability to have room to layer underneath, I find, is important. Living in Ontario, room to layer is important for cool/cold mornings which can change to sunny/hot afternoons at times. Not including early or late season cooler weather compared to our hot humid summers. I'm still looking at gear to cover as many of the combinations we experience up north without having a closet full of stuff and keep me as safe as possible.

[@FTAAdventures]

Excellent points Mike, it is a challenge for sure and definitely a personally preference thing. So many options for any different styles of riding and travel. Thanks!

[@norsefalconer]

Great information! I have a pair of Kevlar leggins. They have knee and hip armor pockets. The idea was I could wear them under any pants. The truth is, they tend to be a bit uncomfortable, and don't vent well. Gear, just like everything else moto, involves some level of compromise, especially if one doesn't have deep pockets.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thanks Norse! Very true about deep pockets and compromise, it is always a balance of what are the important factors.

[@2wheelsandatent]

I have the klim Carlsbad pants and absolutely LOVE them. I wore them when I rode my street bike and where the hell out of them on my dirt bike mainly in wet or colder weather. You should enjoy your klim pants they are very similar just a better choice for summer for sure.

[@FTAAdventures]

Klim makes some great gear for sure. Looking forward to getting some more use out of these. Ride safe! Trying to get to your logo this weekend, last week was crazy. Ride safe!

[@2wheelsandatent]

@@FTAAdventures Ride on =), I am so excited for the logo been trying not to bother you has been tough just because I am so pumped! Klim is the best, i have the Mojave summer gear for off road and it is stellar. I just need the Carlsbad jacket to go with pants but you know how expensive that stuff is... you get what you pay for. One last note as the klim takes D30 armor, I went down at 25 mph off road hard and had the D30 and it saved me from serious road rash totally worth the $.

[@veton2wheels104]

Good article about clothing for riders. I do agree with Jolly Green Biker below when he made the distinction between CE and DOT standards. As a mechanical engineer 50 years in the making, I have designed lots of equipment compliant with both standards. My experience has been that DOT focuses more on highway truck standards than safety equipment. DOT doesn't require proof of any testing and anyone can put a DOT label on their product. The safety portion is left to the NTSB. The CE standards are very rigidly enforced. The manufacturer is required to prove testing in many areas, including safety, noise and ergonomics. The result of those tests are sent with proved documentation to the agency in the EU where a resident agent will scrutinize the results. As an example, a helmet needs to comply with G ratings, 80 db maximum noise considering a noise source similar to a jackhammer at 10 meters, and the temperature inside the helmet. Once the testing is approved, the manufacturer is issued a CE certificate that allow them to place the CE stamp on the product. Heavy fines have been paid by some for using the stamp fraudulently, and the fines are in the millions $. I am not endorsing the purchase of CE products but here in the US we have some agencies that test the equipment to standards similar to the CE. I race cars with SCCA and all the car racing organizations require helmets approved by Snell 2010 or later. The reason is that Snell does conduct testing of the equipment where DOT does not. So, for bike riding I wear my car racing helmet. Although my helmet is a DOT/Snell approved, I don't have a DOT only bike helmet because I don't think it's a wise choice. Thanks for reading and happy riding.

[@robinofleiceste]

You know there are some serious risks associated with keeping keys on your torso. A woman where I work had her keys on a lanyard when she had a small crash in her car. The airbag hit her torso and the key punctured her intestines causing her to spend 3 weeks in intensive care when she could have walked away had she had her keys elsewhere. I find the side pockets on my trousers to be important, as that's where I keep a spare mobile just in case I end up separated from the phone on my bike.

[@mueckenhoeffer]

Many years ago, EasyRider magazine did a comparison of materials by sewing leather, heavy denim, and kevlar to flour sacks. They tied the bags to the trailer hitch of a pickup truck, then threw them out the back at 50 MPH, then measured the length of slide before flour came out. Oddly, leather and heavy denim did about the same, and kevlar came out on top.

[@pamvarnsverry2444]

sounds wonderfully scientific and repeatable - "NOT" - In Europe and the UK we do have a legal requirement for "ALL" motorcycle clothing to be tested and approved before being put on sale.

[@dakotapat997]

Funny you should do this video today as I just started shopping for pants yesterday. I'm pretty confused as to what will work best for me. Thanks for the great information as it will help in my decision.

[@orangelion03]

Regards off-road adventuring, I personally prefer to wear knee/shin pads that strap to my legs. This way they are sure to stay where they are supposed to in a fall. Not the most comfortable for long periods of highway cruising, but they give me piece of mind if I'm going to be spending a lot of time off road. I started wearing them when I bought my XR, but now also use them when on the GS if I'm planning on a lot of dirt.

[@FTAAdventures]

That is excellent advice, definitely something to consider for heavy off road. Thanks!

[@1JEEPNICK1]

I have the older model and they are great. Very durable. You will like them

[@carmas54]

good choice.. I have the badlands pro with gore-tex that I bought on sale a couple of years ago after riding in the rain for 6 days. I swore I never have to worry about stopping in the middle of a ride because I saw rain cloud in the distance. I have ridden in these pants in 95 degree weather and the ventilation is fantastic

[@FTAAdventures]

That is good to know! Klim has an amazing line up for sure. Ride safe!

[@SidebandSamurai]

Thanks Tim. Always wore Jeans. I have been lucky and had only one major impact with the concrete since I have been riding. It is nice when it happens to be protected from road rash.

[@DraftBarley]

And I actually love overpants. I have my old abu gortex pants i use for rain and they do alright. SC rain gets pretty heavy, i know my fellow southerners can attest to southern rain storms lol. I like the idea of having shorts underneath my overpants on a triple diget day so i can have a not-as-bad walk from my bike to my work (7-10 blocks)

[@stanaugustowicz1875]

I came of my motorcycle 2 years ago, low sided at 30 mph when the front wheel locked up under braking on a dry sealed road. I had upgraded my textile overpants from CE1 to CE2 knee pads, but they were virtually useless because the pants are too loose a fit around knees so the knee pads didn't stay over my knees when I slid down the road. Here's a simple test to demonstrate what I mean: kneel down on the ground with knees about 15 inches apart, now take a little weight off one knee and slide it towards the other until both knees are together. Now note the position of the knee pad in relation to your knee! My left knee is still not quite right but thankfully not bad. On longer trips I wear separate motorcycle knee pads under my overpants from which I've removed knee pads as too bulky riding with both sets. If anyone can recommend a tight fitting overpant that they have survived an accident in, I'd be very interested. I seen ones with full length zips down each leg but I feel the zip would burst open in a real accident.

[@MacawAviculture]

Another great video...thanks! My favorite pants, jackets, and even backpacks are from Klim, they make gear for all seasons, and they are all made with very high quality control!

[@nev357]

Good vid Tim. I am the astronaut rider. I wear all the gear all the time. 600D ballistic material, pads everywhere. You dont slide or bounce as good when you are older. The removable thermal and waterproof liners roll up small enough to take on long trips.

[@FTAAdventures]

Nothing wrong with that! Better safe than sorry.

[@pinkiewerewolf]

I've had an Aerostitch Roadcrafter since 2008. $800 sounds like a lot of money until you look at how long they've lasted and they aren't showing any signs of wearing out. I've switched bikes and luggage capacity (My Roadcrafter would fit in Givi hard bags on my old ZZR) and I'm going to have to switch to a two piece since work doesn't have room for me to hang the Roadcrafter. You're information is timely for me.

[@Steve-yu6pq]

Prior to my trip to Argentina, I spent way too much time looking for a pair of waterproof and ventilated pants when everyone I met brought proper motorcycle rain pants, so the waterproof part was null. Half way through my trip, I took out the small knee pads and used knee braces as I had tweaked them on back roads trying to keep the moto upright. One bad fall or twist on your knees and your trip is over. They were a little uncomfortable but definitely saved me. If I did the trip again, I would definitely pay top dollar for a jacket

[@cedricksamaniego9146]

Everything you want in riding gear will always cost you but you half to consider how much is your well being worth? I always carry printable ring gear just threw up all over my regular gear, the one pack small.

[@HenryL161947]

will just mention a company called draggin , they make jeans , jacket thich denim with Kevlar reinforcement , give them a look y'all

[@jnjprepp5551]

I use the bullit sr6 easy jeans, great comfort, I added d30 armor to my knees and hips and it works great. Only down side is the jacket can’t be connected to the pants, but other than that there a great all around choice for me. Now off the subject of pants, i was hoping that we could get an update on how the helmet is working out since you changed to the bell. Keep up the great work and Gods speed on your summer travels.

[@lkld]

Bull-it jeans are so comfortable, just like regular jeans. If the weather is good for a day ride, I'm wearing them.

[@scrismale]

I know it’s been a while since you posted this but I love my Dakar pants which I’ve owned for over 12 months. Agree re venting and comfort. The other good thing is the Velcro on the leg cuffs which mean you can snug them around even the biggest of motorcross boots. I had another brand that had a zipper on the cuffs and they were so tight i worked up a sweat just trying to undo them. I got rid of them and went to the Dakar when the zips god muddy and I couldn’t get my pants off without busting the zip. Great review.

[@moier3345]

Hey, thank you for the nice summary. I personally like my cargo pants (got them from polo, a German retailer, they have a warm liner and are pretty good and tight in the rain while still offering good air flow thanx to ventilation zips). Also, I agree with you about the importance of the protectors being tight with the pants/jacket still offering flexibility. My solution is simple: I got a pair of under-the-pants knee protectors (polo again, around 20 bucks for the pair). They stay where they should even after 300 miles, the material of the strap-down-sock-whatever material is made of mesh, so you still get some airflow and you can use them with whatever riding pants you prefer (fitment was my biggest issue with pants, the pockets for the protectors were either too high or too low or to loose to actually protect my knees.) I'll try to add a link to those protectors, simply love them!

[@kellyr3655]

Tim, I know this video's a few years old, but still great! I loved the "... and you don't want to look like a Power Ranger or astronaut..." LOL When I rode dirt bikes I had the whole "cool" color coordinated red & black Thor gear, when on my V-Strom I have some "adventure" style pants that match a jacket in more subdued colors like tan & olive, but if I'm on my Vulcan I don't really like to wear that type of stuff. Maybe I'm just shallow & care what I look like too much, but I prefer to wear jeans. I tried the "riding jeans", but they didn't fit well at all. In the end I just decided to wear regular jeans with Bohn armor on underneath. If you get a chance you should check them out. They're a little out of your categories, but an interesting option. They're like tights with armor. The jeans obviously don't have the abrasion resistance, but the armor is substantial in size, covers the "danger zones", & is actually quite flexible & comfortable under jeans.

[@markspits8350]

I have just changed from Kevlar lined jeans to touring pants. The jeans are great for short distances but anything over 300KM the Kevlar would rub on any exposed skin. The touring pants are much more comfortable for longer distances.

[@carlredmond3642]

You should check out the Mosko Moto Woodsman pants....put some armor underneath, and put a waterproof goretext or similar shell overpants on as needed when you encounter heavy rain. Very comfortable, light, looks good to wear to a restaurant after a days riding

[@kyleboyett6632]

Good job with the info Tim. Much appreciated.

[@randlayman2668]

Very good choice, as I was just researching the Klim line myself, ride safe ride far, Rand

[@GDLOTKIDOG]

I struggle with this subject. In between sizes in everything I try on. I have a Coretech voodoo jacket that I love, fits my arms and shoulders perfect BUT flops around on my back. So I wear my leather vest which zippers up over that jacket and it hold the back protector firm against my body. That my winter jacket and plenty warm enough for the coldest weather I can find here in TX. For summer time I have a Luc Air Alpinestar jacket and it’s AWSOME. Perfect mesh with armour all around. I also have an Olympia mesh one piece suit. It is the ultra nerdy looking astronaut suit. But when you get moving and stand up on the pegs cool breeze straight through my clothes and that suit has ful armour. I have owned two of those Olympia suits they are wonderful. Still I struggle with finding a nice pair of summer pants that fit firm and hold the pads against my knees and are not baggy feeling. I am a skinny dude so this is super frustrating for me. I ordered Alpinestars medium ram jet pants. Long story short still feels baggy. I ordered the size small before I returned the medium and we will see if it’s a fit. Also I have a pair of Coretech riding jeans that have full armour the expensive kind that is soft and then gets hard on impact. Same deal when I stand up the pads are at my shins flopping basically. If I wear another pair of pants under the it’s better. I am good in cold weather! The challenge is being goo in the HOT weather. I have know. About this one company for a long time called AEROSTITCH basically they are the pentacle of custom made super nice rising gear. Not cheap at all. But if I was rich I would be b lining it to their website for sure. Thought I would share. FTW. Much love all.

[@clutchpedalreturnsprg7710]

HI, As the Magpie Flies sent me here. I'm glad you were there and able to assist her. hope you two will be able to hang out again. Bye.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thanks for stopping by!

[@coachron3524]

The sunrise half way through this video was awesome! Although it did look like a Star Wars light saber going through your face. 😄 Great video Tim! Well informed.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thanks Coach Ron! Haha, yes I noticed that a little late in the filming before I rotated to get rid of the light saber through my face.

[@justgold6352]

I just got on to your channel and I’m a big fan, keep up the good work

[@FTAAdventures]

Thank you! I appreciate that.

[@pl5861]

I bought a pair of the Dakar pants. I'm 6', 200lbs. The waist fit fine, the length fit fine. I also bought the D30 to put in it. BUT, the pocket for the knee pads is down on my shin, no where near high enough to cover my knees, and because of the material the pocket is made out of, I can't stitch it up where it needs to be. They are nice comfortable pants, but kinda useless if I can't have the armor where it should be.

[@Hithere-ek4qt]

Aerostich in Duluth MN, makes world class gear. Expensive but worth it.

[@randallrydes]

Solid review Tim. Well done.

[@RuiAquino]

Great theme, safety is always important and sometimes we tend to go easy... Thanks for sharing and for the company as usual @ my lunch break, here in Pt.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thank you Rui!

[@PauloMealha]

I use the BMW Five Pockets daily. They look good like normal jeans without questioning the quality of the materials.

[@SleepThatBurns]

I would like to give two thumbs up, but I cannot. Very timely video since I am struggling with finding the right pants now. You provided some very helpful information. Appreciate the content!

[@FTAAdventures]

Thank you very much! Glad this was helpful in your search.

[@neilhodgson2794]

Thanks for your helpful reviews.Please have a higher volume set so I can hear you , thanks. Neil

[@abandonbelief]

if you don't wanna look like a Power Ranger or an Astronaut ... i never thought about the power rangers looked exactly like a regular on track day. SPACEMAN room for the nuts ... love squiding with basketball shorts on the way to work early in the morning.

[@gavriil4592]

I really don't understand the removable waterproof liner the majority of pants have, even expensive brands. What do you do in summer? And what do you do when you meet rain? Are you supposed to give a strip show to the upcoming traffic to put on/take off the waterproofing? Hint: vents are practically useless when you have the waterproof liner on. For me, there are only two options: Laminated waterproofing in the outter shell (usually the most expensive), for direct venting in the summer, OR just buy a good pair of non-waterproof pants and separate rain gear (you should have anyways) that you wear on top...no stip shows

[@Beaverpuncher]

Removable and oversuits are an oil debate with a tire debate wrapped into one. Oversuits are good for times when a storm just pops up. My argument anymore is with weather prediction fairly good anymore with general location you can plan very well. The liner works very well in the cold and cool times with changing weather. The liner will block the wind and let the thermal do it's job. I've ridden many times below 30° and would almost be sweating in a normal riding scenario.

[@johnc8910]

I use Tourmaster mesh and a separate Frogg Toggs rainsuit. Extra benefit: the external rainsuit extends the usable temperature range down to able 35F without going to heated garments, all upgraded with 3DO armor.

[@rickshutt3974]

I agree, this is a great combination, I do the same thing. I have basically stored the rain liner. This combination gives you fully ventilated pants with armor protection, then throw on rain gear if that situation pops up, and avoid strip shows on the side of the road. In winter, just add the thermal pants liner, and your good to go. If someone made an integrated system with armor, a removable thermal layer, then a jacket and then removable rain gear for the outside shell, that could be taken on and off, all designed with a collar that would be comfortable and waterproof, that would be great. For now, my rain gear over the mesh jacket and pants works for me, I just have an issue with wearing two jackets with two collars that don't necessarily nest comfortably, but it beats changing pants on the side of the road !

[@2wheelsandatent]

Klim has a Gortex fold into itself jacket the forecast i think mine is. Funny story we were at a KLIM ride last year and both my buddy and I had the forecast jackets. We decided not to attach them to our usual spots and left them at the camp.... BIG MISTAKE... it rained so cold and so hard lol. We NEVER ride without those any more it was miserable. That said they don't vent really well but work like a champ in surprise rain well as long as you bring it =0

[@gavriil4592]

the thing is, even with a goretex laminated jacket, you also need to carry the old fashioned rain gear....nothing is waterproof when saturated after an hour of heavy rain. Not to mention the not-so-fun cold wet jacket in the wind.

[@autumngreenleaf3390]

Thanks. It finally occurred to me that there is a difference between tensile and textile. I think I was seeing these two terms a lot and my brain just started seeing them as the same thing, but obviously they are not. You guys have all the options. I've been looking for pants for a few months now and in general, most women's gear is really limited, and so if you live in a small town like I do it's almost impossible to find something that even fits. Buying on-line is a long period of trial and error. I usually try to find a pair of men's pants if I can find my size. Sheesh!

[@FTAAdventures]

There is a huge difference in options between men and women, I agree. That is really a shame. I have a hard time finding stores that carry this stuff too though, even cycle gear 5 miles away really doesn't carry most of this stuff. I have been ordering and returning gear for the last month and a half trying to get it dialed in. This is a good time of year to do that at least. Good luck!

[@jimmcclead9448]

Thanks for another great, informative video, Tim. Love your stuff and have learned a lot from your presentations. But I have to disagree with you about the riding pants with cargo pockets. I use my cargo pockets a lot! They all have essential stuff in them OR space for keys, phone etc. when I’m off the bike. A lot of times, when I get where I’m going, I stow my helmet and jacket in the side cases, but I keep my pants on! Also, I find wallet access easier from a cargo pocket than from the jacket. I wear cargo pants pretty much exclusively anymore, and by having cargo pockets in my riding pants, everything is right where it belongs. I spent most of my life not having enough pockets in my pants, and now that someone finally came up with cargo pockets, I’m not giving them up!

[@iangrimshaw1]

100% with you on this vid, nice one. I wear textile pants and jacket for daily commutes and inter-town riding, say on business meetings, then full leathers when more sporty riding on my Triumph Speed Triple. One thing; for comfort I always use braces or suspenders as I think you Americans might call them. The clip on ones (broad!) are pretty cheap and if you haven't; you really ought to try them. You might need to re-think 'denier' . That is fuck all to do with protection. You could be wearing a high number denier women's stockings but I wouldn't recommend getting your knee down. Just my opinion but I'd dump the hard panniers if you are doing a bit of off roading; if the bike goes down they can easily trap and break a leg. Have fun and stay lucky!

[@FTAAdventures]

Thanks Ian. LOL yes we call them suspenders, they definitely help. You are absolutely right about denier, it is just a term that is so frequently used in marketing riding gear. I have gotten a foot stuck under the panniers, I know what you mean. I use the hard cases for the cameras and laptop though :-/

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

I was thinking about buying those Klim Dakar pants.

[@FTAAdventures]

I am very happy with them.

[@bajou4668]

Wearing lether clothes you glide longer and you maybe can do it once more. This is good for the race track, as there is enough space to slow down. In towns you want to slow down before hitting the metal bone grinder seperating cars from the other lane. I had a slide lately. My protective jeans are unharmed, my rated protective leather jacket ripped open. For me leather is always second if not race track.

[@juanalbertojimenezdelira2651]

Great video Man! Greetings from México

[@ML-dw5ol]

Solid suggestions for real riding. Good job.

[@allans7281]

Excellent video I like how you methodically detail everything by the way I always wear colored riding gear I don’t wear black I think it’s much safer to be seen easily

[@jimtaucher791]

Im a big fan of all Klim gear. Great vid.

[@gerry786]

Klim marrakesh pants in summer, badlands pro in winter

[@mrbjay5443]

@@gerry786 I'm a huge fan of the Marrakesh. I put in a windproof, waterproof, and down liner for winter when it's cold. The Marrakesh has served me all year. I put on a waterproof shell over the top, and I'm good. I'm in Los Angeles, so it rains only a little here. I have other waterproof jackets and pants I also wear. But my main riding suit for Spring and Summer is The Marrakesh. Love it.

[@KittenMcSnugglet]

Reactive armor uses materials that are non-Newtonian, like viscous fluids that are pliable until a more energetic force is applied.

[@allans7281]

I like the backdrop in your video where are you broadcasting from and where do you usually ride

[@mikepark5884]

I have a pair of Klim riding jeans that look like jeans but have all the kevlar at the knees, hips and tailbone... they are fantastic, but not sure for a long trip

[@Phoeff99]

Nice one Tim. As a hard-yo-fit type of guy I had a hard time finding suitable pants and really only founding jeans that worked for me. I’m aiming to save up (and trim down?) to make a pair of Aerostitch pants worth the investment. I like their customizability construction and motorcycle minded design. Plus they look cool! But as it is I’d rather have something than nothing so the Bull-it riding jeans will do.

[@ronhamilton515]

Diamond Gusset Kevlar riding jeans are my go to but if I switch over to a ADV bike I would switch to similar pants that you have 👍

[@eddieharper8665]

Thank you Tim. Always awesome information. Thank you.

[@mikemills5144]

For spring and fall I have some lined Cordura pants and some jeans with kevlar for the summer. I just picked up some Joe Rocket pants that are mesh with armor and have a removable rain liner. I think they were Phoenix but not positive.

[@cliffspicer6555]

I don’t remember where I saw this Tim but it was a guy who makes the leather riding suits that the super bike riders wear to race. He said the reason super bike races wear leather and not man made fabrics like Kevlar is because the rider slides smoothly over the asphalt and it doesn’t grab. It also offers the best protection for the riders in those conditions. Not good for adventure riders but interesting.

[@FTAAdventures]

That is very interesting, definitely makes sense. Thanks!

[@wilsjane]

@@FTAAdventures Leather riding suits are a requirement for track racing due to their fire rating. This is because the bikes use highly flammable fuel additives. However, while the leather will offer fire protection it is not heat resistant, so you need to add layers of wool or cotton inside them. A few riders have discovered this the hard way

[@D.E.X]

Adventure pants cargo pockets get in the way of my drop leg holster, a real pain, so I avoid them. The IWB isn't too big an issue with any pants, and Adventure pants, because they usually have wide boot cut legs work for the calf holster, as long as its only velcro'd shut. It would be a nightmare unzipping or pulling the pant leg up.

[@davidbaldwin9830]

I wear shorts when riding and am looking for Tour Over Pants with some armor... I guess unless I can find pants that will go over them. I have a GSX-1250 FA. Enjoyed your vid.

[@daladderman9272]

I remember Fortnine reviewing a pair of motorcycle pants that zipped off at the knee and become shorts, might be another option

[@gwpack]

I am an outlier. Fat man on a motorcycle. I really wanted a Klim outfit. No size to fit. Contacted Aerostich. Almost fit but not enough room to get anything under them. I finally found Joe Rocket jacket and pants that fit (well almost - my inseams are 28). They have their own breathable, waterproof fabric built into the jacket and a liner in the pants. Those had to be IT. No other selection fit. I am doing the US -- Long Way UP -- Key West to Prudhoe Bay. Many people look at me (my size) and say ... no way! But somehow I make it work.

[@FTAAdventures]

Glad you found something that works for you. Also good for you! That should be a heck of an adventure! Ride safe!

[@gwpack]

@@FTAAdventures Just an interesting note in case your jackets ever get a bit tight. I found a place in Canada that sells zipper expanders. Bought one for my Gerber Heated Jacket. Zipping in the expander relaxed the fit across my middle and makes my Gerber jacket more comfortable. Sometimes it's tough being a fat man on an (ADV) motorcycle. Harleys have plenty of fat guys if I wanted a HD logo jacket and leather chaps. I leave for Key West in four weeks. Long Way UP ... Key West to Prudhoe Bay.

[@gwpack]

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[@99Walli]

I could suggest you my friend to Call Manufacturer .. I can give you a lead (for perfect outsit Customized design & Size with all features..).. That is.... www.hawkracing.net [e-mail]... contact sales manager (Mr. Awais)..he will handle all your needs into Design.

[@bradleyalexander5821]

Dang Tim if I keep watching your videos (I will) I’m gonna wind up with a BMW 850 Adventure bike in my garage next to my 2018 RGS. And actually know how to off road and camp well. No worries I’ll keep checking in and dream the Adventure life on 2 wheels. Thanks as always.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thanks Bradley! Ride safe!

[@BrewCityRider]

I thought you were going in the leather-bashing direction, but you covered it accurately I think. Some big KZbinrs really promote "technical" riding gear, but leather is still king when it comes to protection and wear. I personally have leather, denim, and textile gear, and wear what I feel like at the time. Love leather over pants for cold weather riding, but I agree they would not work well in warmer weather.

[@olliechristopher467]

You will be liking the Dakar pants. I'm still on my same pair after 4 seasons, Time for a new pair. I just got the Klim Badlands outfit and so far it's damn nice. Hopefully will not have to test the crash worthiness of them on my Super Tenere.

[@FTAAdventures]

Thanks! I definitely love then so far, great pants.

[@willmcgregor7184]

Forty Times Around I’m shopping for parts, look at Dakar & Wondered about ventilation. How are they are on warm day? Thanks

[@ajv7575]

Thanks for your video. What are your thoughts on Dyneema jeans?

[@jblue1299]

Excellent information Tim! Thanks....

[@AstheMagpieFlies]

Great overview :) Totally agree Textiles & Armour > Leather. Personally I can't ride off-road without hip armor anymore, I seem to always hit the ground hip first XD Maybe that's a wide hip problem. I like the thigh pockets personally because I can keep soft things like toilet paper, the go-girl and my diva cup in them, so if I have an emergency I don't have to dig through my bags I can just go find a spot behind a bush lol I did learn the hard way that anything hard on you will find the space between you and the ground and leave a nice bruise in the shape of whatever it was on your body. Hence why the bear spray stays in my tank bag now and not on my hip, don't ask how I learned that lesson 🙄 Excited to see your long term review of the Klim pants!

[@FTAAdventures]

I hadn't considered that about the pockets, that makes sense. Good tip about the bear spray not on your person, that must've hurt! Thanks!!

[@StephanieSomer]

I understand your reasoning against overpants. Howver, I'm a girl, and I often want to be wearing shorts, a skirt, or even a dress at my destination. Of course riding in such apparel is unsafe, and I don't. So, I've been searching for something to wear over them that isn't a huge pain to put on or remove. If any one has suggestions, they would be much appreciated.

[@FTAAdventures]

Hi Stephanie! I totally get that. Women's riding pants are unfortunately limited and not always the most stylish. There are some options though that would work well for what you are looking for. Check out Rev'It and Olympia, maybe some others too but that might be a good place to start. Hope this helps!

[@CDLNEPA]

I always wear jeans. I should look into atleast the riding jeans. I would like some ventilation but not sure how that would work with a riding jean.🤔

[@whiskeythrottleracing]

Most excellent. I prefer bibs myself...even more expensive.

[@itsFritz]

Tim, you need to look into better riding booths than the one's in this video. I would recommend something that runs high onto the calf to provide maximum protection for your ankles - especially if riding BDRs'/ off road. Good luck.

[@FTAAdventures]

New boots came in a few days ago, will be doing a review of those soon too. Thanks!

[@itsFritz]

@@FTAAdventures Very interested in seeing which boot you decided on!

[@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449]

Only problem with pant over boots is the wear and tear in hard going off road to the bottom off the pant ( we’re long ADV or Enduro boots 👢 will protect the base of the riding pants also from the engine and getting caught on the foot pegs. This is just my opinion.

[@SandraOrtmann1976]

I always have one problem with jackets: As my upper body is relatively short, almost all jackets of three quarter length hurt me longterm when sitting on my bike. So I really prefer shorter jackets, which are difficult to find if you want practical. Practical here almost always means three quarter length (because then the designer can put biiig pockets).

[@badapple65]

Reactive armor best compared to: *SILLY PUTTY* very soft and pliable try hitting it with a hammer. It acts hard as something much more solid and kind of shatters. Blows into pieces. As kids did it a few times.

[@pucknhusker9426]

Thank you for not eating a bowel of sugar before you did this vid as many others seem to have. Lax and to the point 😎

[@egalitarianvegan8806]

I have looked for years for a pair of textile M/C riding pants. I am lean, and tall. Need a 32 waist, and a 36 inseam. Can't find a manufacturer that makes such a size. I won't consider leather as it is so environmentally unfriendly in its' production. I have used Carhartt heavy canvas double layer work pants. The double layer allows me to add CE Armour to the knees. I would prefer actual motorcycle pants but until manufactures make them in my size I will have to make due.

[@Phoeff99]

Dennis Renner must be nice, 32 x 36, :)

[@knucklesinthewind5718]

Check out Aerostich out of Duluth Minnesota. They do custom riding gear and are very good and great to deal with.

[@egalitarianvegan8806]

@@knucklesinthewind5718 Thanks.

[@austina4189]

Almost the exact same as me. Same waist, and I could do a 36" inseam, but 38 is my true size. Regular Jeans almost don't exist let alone kevlar ones...

[@egalitarianvegan8806]

@@austina4189 I have the same problem with jackets. Have to buy a large in order to get long enough arm length. So the body areas are overly roomy. Being lean, and tall does make buying cloths a challenge at times.