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[@bsmukler]

This is such a useful, beautifully presented series, and one which can certainly save lives if riders pay attention and practice these techniques. So many riders (at least here, in the US) are visibly shaky while cornering, clearly untrained and unpracticed and therefore much more at risk of running wide or “giving up” and dropping the bike. These videos are also therapeutic, allowing me to enjoy the ride vicariously as I sit constrained in a walking boot (sports injury, not motorcycle related). That stunning bike and wonderful scenery make for a great viewing experience.

[@jjnewman65]

Nice one Neevesey. Importantly no mention of riding to the limit point and being able to stop safely in the distance you can see to be clear on your side of the road.

[@hitscanner]

Short, sweet and to the point. A minute to learn, a lifetime to master. 👍

[@arjenbootsma6881]

Videos like this one have made Michael Neeves one of my favorite motojournalists.

[@mrw6780]

I have been following for years now. I appreciate what you do even when the weather is not the best.

[@markrivers2651]

Brilliant video! So many thanks Neevsey! Really appreciate the time it’s taken to disassemble this dark art and show it in so many layers - it’s a massive help and a highly useful roadmap! A very Merry Christmas to you 🎅🤩

[@s1dew1nd3r4]

Brilliant stuff, been riding a few years now and always constantly learning and trying to improve and these videos i always take something away so thanks 👍🏻

[@borilapostolov7474]

Thank you Michael for sharing how to team the beast. As always the key to do it is to be smooth and persistent. Like dancing steps 1,2,3 and so on...Have a wonderful Christmas, cheers from a fan in Sofia, Bulgaria!

[@wiperiser1]

There is so much to learn with riding a bike, this was complicated even for me and I've been riding for 3 years now. My corning technique is slow down, gear down, push on the handel, glide and throttle out.

[@robb8773]

Great tips, I especially liked the "corner exist" segment because of the how you talked through by showing in the video when you actually saw the exit......

[@r6singh]

Legendary content Mr. Neeves.

[@ReferenceFidelityComponents]

Good techniques demonstrated and no surprises to see such an experienced and talented rider demonstrating some advanced riding techniques. There’s a little acronym in advanced riding called IPSGA, and I would add a “V” to the front. This stands for (Vision), Information, Position, Speed, Gear and Acceleration. It’s about looking as far ahead as possible, gathering as much visual information as you can, making a plan, putting the bike smoothly into the optimum position for enhanced view, being in the right gear, at the right speed and using smooth acceleration commensurate with road conditions. A good tip is always to be holding the 3 to 4 thousand revs point so on most bikes you’re into that start of the fattest part torque curve so have adequate shove for smooth progress, use good acceleration sense etc. A lot comes down to experience and common sense. You see so many riders trying to use track techniques on the road but this is not the best way to be safe nor to go quickly on real world road rides. The converse may be true on tracks. Practice makes perfect, but it’s always safety before progress and it takes a lot of concentration to use those skills to maintain good progress. Good riders make it look super smooth and easy.

As always very helpful and things put spot on. Technic and complicated things put simply and in easy layers. Appreciate your efforts as always. Thank you.Since in the country where I live the traction is not always perfect. This is also a significant truth for the one who is not in his own habitat; may exist surprises traction wise. When you counter steer, the bike tips, this at the same time effects the radius of the tyre. Since motorcycles wheels are not flat foot as in cars, the radius of the wheel decreases. But with same amount fo throttle input it means you are actually braking. Again; when the radius decreases with the actual amount of gas input before the corner, you are literally braking in the corner. Because of the decrease of the radius the speed you motorcycle you carry into the corner is higher than the speed of the wheels because of the lower radius which means the motorcycle's carried speed slows down. And while leaning you need as much traction as possible. So in a not so perfect world you can loose traction. As a motorcycle coach, I'd recommend to better build up habbit that works in every condition. Eventually; the point is, if you initiate a turn, for the sake of max traction for the corner, maintain speed, which means for the decrease of the radius feed the throttle with gas as much as your leaning angle needs to maintain corner entry speed. Other wise you are BRAKING in the corner which is ok if you have enough traction, but not ok if you don't. Best.

[@R-Tap]

Great video for us newbie's. The GSX-S is a lovely looking machine. If I was every in the market for a touring bike, this would be right up there.

[@cycletron]

Excellent video, thank you!

[@creedm3040]

Awesome video! Well done! Best!

[@ColonelBandit]

Excellent video - thanks for posting

[@distancejunkiemonkey4491]

Corners are the best. When you nail it? Feels like heaven!!!

[@gerardmontgomery280]

While I love this it says a lot that bikers are watching videos like this as a matter of course. Like we know that developing our skills is something we should be doing but there are so many people (in cars) on the road who haven't given it a moments thought since the day they passed their test.

[@user-oe8gy8dk8f]

It's a life times work. Right on Neevesy

[@Flatule]

I like your finals words. Practiceing martial arts for several years has sharpened a bit my comprehension of human balance and body position awareness. Im having fun translating all this to cornering.

[@rcraven1013]

Usually taking a corner at the correct speed and in the correct gear and positioning there is little to no need to get a bum cheek off the seat at all. Its only for idiots who want to be racers blasting their way round our country roads that unfortunately helps to create a problem. Go slower in and and steady round is the way to go on all bends and assume there is an obstruction or that the bends tightens and you wont go far wrong. Go safe and be safe without getting one's arse off the seat. Much of what is said about IPSGA and counter steering is all that one needs as one cannot go round any corner or bend without counter steering anyway. Its something that we do unconsciously but can learn to control it all of the time. At our speeds and on our country roads we don't need to learn the USA's 'performance' way of taking corners or bend for which trail braking is designed for. Its inappropriate for the UK. in general and fails to take in the fundamental issue of safety of being able to stop in the distance seen to be clear and on your side of the road. As said Trail braking is for the track, its not designed to be used otherwise and certainly unwise on our very bendy country roads. .

[@Flatule]

@@rcraven1013 I was talking about balance and the human body, nothing about speed or extreme positions. Go write a book or something.

[@rcraven1013]

@@Flatule Sorry for that Flatule it was not meant as a response to you, I inadvertently placed it under your contribution and should have made it a separate issue on its own. Once again sorry.

[@NooBiker]

Very interesting, Michael. Quite a few differences from what we coach in the IAM, but always good to learn and hear of different techniques.

[@davidmeadows4272]

What are the differences - please explain

[@NooBiker]

​@@davidmeadows4272hi David, first of all, I'm not saying one is "right" or "wrong" or "better" than the other. Just "different" and whatever works well to keep you safe and progressive is good. For position we prioritise Safety and Stability before Vision. So in the instance where there may have been conflict with oncoming, we'd have discussed sacrificing the vision for safety and adjusting speed. For braking technique, consider whether using two fingers might make one finger trapped behind the lever and prevent the rider pulling it all the way back and using all the braking power in an emergency. I'm sure Michael had adjusted his lever span to prevent that, but it wasn't discussed. For gears we discuss with the new associate using the "middle third" of the rev range. The gears seemed a bit high and the revs a smidgen low on the video. Trail braking into corners is something we discourage for road riding as it tends to indicate (for riders going through the course, which tend to be less experienced) lack of planning for the corner. We like to get the Speed right, then change to the right Gear for that speed, before entering the corner, the corner being taken then using only one control: the accelerator. Michael's using some trail braking here, something I can't comment on. As I said, not trying to say one or the other is correct or incorrect, just noticing some of the difference. I always like to learn and evaluate something new (be a thinking rider) Safe riding, buddy 👍

[@blandrooker6541]

Glad I stumbled across this, very well done video. What's important is that I have a 22 GT+ with the panniers. From the first day, I've struggled to make sense of what the bike is "supposed" to be and the "proper" way to ride it. Is is supposed to be a sport bike, a sport tourer, or the naked with a big fairing on it? It's an outstanding platform for touring, and has more than enough power in any gear to do what needs to be done. Speaking of the fairing, one wag said that without the panniers, it looked like it was "all t*ts, no a$$". I agree. I've never gained much confidence in the stock Dunlop tires, and am looking at the Michelin Road 6. For some reason, with the stock Dunlops I just don't feel "connected" to the road in turns. 11K miles and 2 sets later, I think I've given them a fair chance. The price for the RoadSport2 is good, but I think it's time for an upgrade. I do, however, tend to do the "police style" in turns, where they body is mostly upright, the inside arm is straight and the outside arm is bent, pretty much the opposite of what you're doing, I'll try more of a "track style" and see how it feels. The other thing I struggle with on this bike is low speed maneuvering especially with loaded bags, even with the low speed clutch control feature. I've also swapped out the stock brake pads, they didn't give good feedback, and I hear it's a common complaint. This will probably be my last "sporty" bike after 50 years of riding, the problem may not be the bike but just the fact that I'm getting old.

[@rcraven1013]

At 5.34 we are approaching a tight left hander, [ he knows the road well cos he said so and its used quite a lot by him and other road testers so it like a racetrack that one knows and uses regularly ]. However he is well over to the right and slowing on approach but if something came round that tight and blind bend at speed and cutting the bend and over the centre line one could be in trouble. Plus as its tight and more like a corner that is in a street to street situation there is little or no benefit by moving only 2/3 ft to ones right as it would only improve ones vision by that same amount. Being a tight and blind bend it would probably be safer to take the bend more to the middle of the carriageway at position 2 or even position 1 and slower. But then we are trying to road test the bikes aren't we so trying to get the best performance that we can from them. So not a nice easy gentle run on our country roads but a good test of the bikes ability. To see if it will do as we want it to. Then as he said he is used to that road and we can all to some degree, push our luck if we want to on roads that are commonly used by us. Though not recommended as from time to time things may change and the unexpected could happen which could catch us out. . Not so on new roads as we should take it as it comes and ride with greater caution and anticipation of something going wrong.

[@89_triumph]

Great video.. would love to see this at a lightly more sprited pace to see how you use a bit more engine and trail braking and have to give more steering input to get the countersteering happening. I find that's probably where I (and probably many others) get in there head. Knowing how much you can actually countersteer and trail brake. I spoke to an instructor about trail braking and he said if you aren't riding hard enough to brake deep enough into the corner it can become dangerous as the front tyre will not stay loaded till the exit.. Merry Christmas

[@kwakithailand]

More spirited pace... On public, low temperature, Tarmac... Yeah, right 😁

[@armandomateus5103]

So it means that if you aren't riding hard and loading the front in the corner it's dangerous?.... Hmmm....

[@rcraven1013]

@@armandomateus5103 You see them trial braking all of the time on racing circuits and its with the use of trail braking that most offs happen on corners. So its not always the safest way of taking corners. Many a time the rider has missed his braking point and overshot and lost it or has use too much or too little front brake and as a result lost grip or has made too sudden a change from slowing to acceleration or done so at the wrong time and that a has also ended with an off after destabilising the bike. Trail braking should to my mind remain on the track and also in the USA where its is trained a lot. In the USA they also have over 5000 deaths and serious injury incidents annually on their roads and that tells you something of their mindset and of considering their safety and the safety of others. .

[@armandomateus5103]

@@rcraven1013 but that's what i meant to say. Karlreid said that an intructor told him that if you're not riding hard enough to trailbrake throughout the corner to load the front tire until the exit, it can become dangerous... It has to be some misunderstanding. Either that or that instructor doesn't know what he's talking about... Trailbraking can be used and may even be important in some situations, but not in many others and trailbraking on public roads... For me, only if at corner entry you realize it's tighter than you thought. I reckon on the road you should reduce speed and go down the gears BEFORE the corner, just maintain the throttle from the point where you lean in until you can stand the bike up to leave the corner, where you can actually accelerate. 👍

[@rcraven1013]

@@armandomateus5103 Exactly there is nothing wrong with going into a corner the UK way. Of slowing and braking if nec. Then at the turning point turning in with the use of counter steering [which by the way is something we all do naturally, otherwise we will not turn either way] and paralleling the curve with enough tarmac to stop in should you need to.[ that's not in the trail braking process at all. its all get round faster or go off ] . Then increase revs very slight and acceleration to overcome the natural slowing on a smaller radius being now on the sidewall of the tyre, This will make sure that you keep a few more revs without slowing and that will enable you to maintain a constant speed and also a constant front to rear end balance that gives more stability and response whilst leaning over. Maintain that speed throughout until after the apex, wherever that may be, and the road ahead straightens out and then and only then you straighten up make nominal use of the accelerator to take you out of that corner or bend and is the safest way. Those who advocate trail braking wont tell you of the danger of doing it wrong at all. On a race track its try and get round faster than others or don't get round at all its either one or the other.

[@lucianocarcagno9771]

Now, could you please repeat but on the "right side of the road" sir? (no pun intended :p) Sorry, just kidding! Brilliant explanation. Always a pleasure watching you and listening to your advice. Greetings from Argentina!

[@brianperry]

As always a great presentations of riding technique. Looking ahead, vision, use of throttle, brakes and gears.... I've always found the obsession with counter steering ,actual input quite strange, because as you say the physics do that anyway...When l first started to ride nobody, l mean nobody banged on and on about counter steering....l don't think many of us knew what it was anyway.!....

[@jadonx]

After a 6 year break from riding the first time I rode my brothers bike I drifted wide on a bend. It was due to forgetting about countersteering and thinking of turning with the bend but it came back as I carried on.

[@Volksplane1]

Wonderful! Can we have more advanced things too please like trail braking, difference with wet roads in braking etc etc, Please

[@jamesnoneofyourbusiness8808]

Ace vid as expected, thanks Neevesy. But wtf with bikertek sponsor! Was thinking what to do with that ball joint, can't see how to attach a phone! Oh, it's to reattach your femur 😢 Have a great New Year Mr Neeves.

[@alexowen1156]

Letting off the throttle before the corner until near exit, I hear many different view points. I prefer adding some slight throttle through the corner, straight after the steering command and progressively increasing . I think it prevents the engine slowing. The progressive acceleration transfers the weight to the rear which probably gives optimal weight distribution between front and rear. I guess having more weight over the rear than the front , the bike steers more willingly and as the fork rises getting more travel, absorbing bumps easily. The only other addition is 'anchoring' my outside foot through the turn, essentially putting pressure through the outside peg . I find this really helps prevent my body from moving backwards when counter steering.

[@davidthornber6507]

Agree, usually need some positive throttle, for traction and balance, it's all about the 'feel'

In real life the traction of the road is not always perfect. Especially when not in your own habitat there may occur some surprises. So when you counter steer, the bike tips, this at the same time effects the radius of the tyre. Since motorcycles wheels are not flat foot as in cars, the radius of the wheel decreases. But with same amount fo throttle input it means you are actually braking. Again; when the radius decreases with the actual amount of gas input before the corner, you are literally braking in the corner. Because of the decrease of the radius the speed you motorcycle you carry into the corner is higher than the speed of the wheels because of the lower radius which means the motorcycle's carried speed slows down. And while leaning you need as much traction as possible. So in a not so perfect world you can loose traction. As a motorcycle coach, I'd recommend to better build up habbit that works in every condition. Eventually; the point is, if you initiate a turn, for the sake of max traction for the corner, maintain speed, which means for the decrease of the radius feed the throttle with gas as much as your leaning angle needs to maintain corner entry speed. Other wise you are BRAKING in the corner which is ok if you have enough traction, but not ok if you don't.

[@armandomateus5103]

As long as you're leaning in and not adding speed, it's ok.

[@nickrider5220]

A fine video 👍

[@matthewbinnie6194]

Interesting how you separate track and road skills/technique, seems a lot of riders think the public highway requires track techniques and lines and then become accident stats. First video I have seen where your lines pretty much match my own, after 50 odd years of biking I hope mine are ok these days.

[@stevec6427]

I use these techniques already and I can keep up with track style riders and I'm much smoother because I can see so much further ahead than they can so I'm planning rather than reacting to hazards.

[@flippy66]

Countersteering actually happens at any speed, it's almost imperceptible but it's automatic. It's physically impossible to turn at all at any speed without a degree of countersteer, even at 1mph.

[@stevek4449]

Good tutorial. So basically if too fast before turning bike would resist leaning to turn like a car or truck would continue sort of straight as operator fights to turn as vehicle goes off the road or flips over from the inertia resistance against the turn from excessive speed? And like a car, slowing via braking before the turn and “coasting through “ helps the lean for turning. Interesting about straightening the lean via throttle vs trying to “lift bike” via counter lean. Your explanation makes sense. Well same as low speed I guess, to tighten the turn, slow down via clutch, brake, or cut throttle, and increase throttle a bit to widen turn or straighten up a bit, ok makes sense. About to get first motor cycle. KLR 650 . In my state, I can plate bike as off road and drive on the county back roads both paved and dirt, but not US highways , city streets or interstate. Still a large area to learn with. Then I can enroll in a course. Take it, and on passing I get my endorsement after passing the written exam. The other option we have is to take the written exam for the permit which allows use on ALL ROADS, and when I am ready, up to 25 months, I can take the skills test. And get the full endorsement. The safety course I will take is optional, but in passing it waives the final skills test as course already holds same standard. I just have the choice of how much experience do I want before the course or exam by going the off road route or the direct course and test process. Good tutorial.

[@jadonx]

Alot of points raised there but if caught out going too fast on corner gently brake and or countersteer more.

[@IN_ZANE_]

Would be very cool if you would consider doing something like this, using this same format, for more advanced riding techniques. Perhaps on track might be more appropriate. I guess what I'm saying is I like this format and it would be really great to see it applied as a tool to assist clarifying or fine tuning more advanced skills as well. For example it could be used for demonstrating how to overcome lean angle barriers that many intermediate riders seem to inevitably reach.

[@Malco1805]

Interesting comment that advanced riding techniques should be linked to the track to fine tune one’s skills. I’d say that there is a marked difference to advanced riding on the road and riding on the track, therefore advanced road riding skills can only be learned on the road. Applying the processes detailed in Motorcycle Roadcraft is a good start. At no point during my advanced riding course, was I encouraged to get my knee down. Riding on the roads (in the UK at least) is about reading the roads, looking for potential hazards and how to deal with them if they arise. I’ve held my motorcycle licence for over forty years and am still here to enjoy my riding well into my 60’s.

[@IN_ZANE_]

@@Malco1805 Wasn't saying that advanced riding techniques should be linked to the track.Just that the format used in the video would be good to use for more advanced riding techniques as well. While I did have track riding techniques in mind when I made the previous comment, obviously the specific focus of the techniques being demonstrated would inform the appropriate setting. So yes, a video about advanced street riding and roadcraft would of course be demonstrated on the street.

[@davidmeadows4272]

Join an IAMRS Skills Day and you will be taught road skills in a safe environment on a race circuit.

[@andrewwelbourn9577]

Great video, it’s so difficult to separate all the elements of riding, but as good as anyone can do in a short video. So much advice out there, but this about roads, not trying to be Hicky or Deano, just a good safe road rider with safety at the forefront. Hopefully something I can take into the first rides of Spring 24, when trying to get rid of the Winter ‘rust’.

[@Tarmac_Warrior]

great vid

[@armandomateus5103]

I wonder if it can be considered a good technique: before leaning i always go down the gears and adjust speed and hold that same speed with the throttle before leaning; steady throttle even before the leaning in to the desired leaning angle and there just give enough throttle to maintain speed; from when reducing lean angle smooothly acceleration. Traiklbraking on public roads? Just a little and only when the corner radius is more closed than i thought🤪

[@andrewhulme8672]

Hi great video many thanks. Just one question. The gopro mount on your mirror stem ? Clamp ? What is it as I've just got a sports bike with nowhere to attach it ? Any help much appreciated. P.S I have a MCN subscription 👍👍

[@literal_lee]

Someone should link this video to Greg Widmar (Motojitsu). Especially the 'vision'-part. Great vid. Keep 'm coming Neevesy. 💪🏻😎

[@milodebruin4821]

Please don't... he will spend 15mins crying about how everything is wrong and why he is always right.

[@literal_lee]

@@milodebruin4821 15 minutes only ? You wish... 😂

[@DerpEye]

I ride 90% of the time in the mountains, so it's one turn after the other. One important aspect i would suggest, is that, depending on the bike you're riding, i would change the way you enter a corner. Instead of leaning into the corner, i would push down a bike and stay upright, using the supermoto or offroad cornering technique. A public road is not a track, so i don't care about going faster, but staying upright in a blind corner you gain much more vision instead of leaning into it. It also helps to better control the bike in case the road surface is not ideal.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

I think of that as police riding but I was just wondering their thoughts on that style of riding.

[@ericaworthington2675]

Though doing this uses up lean angle more, so you're more likely to scrape pegs, particularly in bumpy sections

[@1TotalNoob]

😂 Not sure I want riding (vision) advice from eyes which are stated to be derpy! 😋

[@DerpEye]

@@ericaworthington2675 You would need to be riding way above sensible speed in order to scrape pegs. I mean, a suitable speed should be the one allowing you to stop whenever an obstacle suddently appears on the road.

[@pajomad1]

Only watching it because of the gsxs gt.

[@Mc-qt4vl]

Great video, but now confused. On braking and gears: IAM says brake to get the correct speed, get it in the right gear before the corner then keep positive throttle through the corner, shouldn’t have to brake as you’re correct speed. RAPID training says as you go into the corner downshift, front brake increase pressure whilst reducing throttle, as you go around the bend, as you gradually release the brake you can increase the throttle in proportion (might be trail braking?) The rational is to keep the front end loaded as much as possible for best grip.🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️. Road and body position much the same.

[@davidhoughton5669]

Also,you never mentioned the vanishing point. If it gets closer the corner tightens,if it goes away it opens up.

[@marsmellow1589]

Always remember. If in doubt. Flatout! Works wonders on bikes.

[@Vtwin_Superbikes]

I always give my Arai an extra little click down by the latch once it’s down and clicked in initially, seems to be locked better. Anyone else?

[@martinserjeant9399]

Interesting you stay on your side of the road, having done the ride safe course I was told to you the whole road as long as you had Brocken whit lines.

[@snuffparrot]

Welcome to a head-on collision.

[@johnmonsalve11]

Do road testers adjust sag before they take the bikes out for evaluations?

[@MrBinkz]

Do you have a gear list somewhere Neevesy?

[@richardhorton25]

Learners frequently grip the bars too hard and in consequence their arms are too stiff, if a corner tightens up unexpectedly their inputs to the bars are then too severe causing the front tyre to be overstressed and expensive and painful consequences result. The grip should be tight enough to operate the throttle but no tighter. Gripping the throttle too hard is also tiring over any distance.

[@arisvag]

Where did my previous comment go?...anyway... I think you should review the built in counter steering statement. It does not seem correct. Trail distance has the exactly opposite effect. Great video other than that.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

Just a quick one though what are your thoughts on "police steering" you know, hanging outside the turn and pushing the bike down rather than leaning into the turn? Are you giving up control in favour of visibility?

[@BruceHartz]

That works great riding the dirt and tight slow speed turns. I've taken many riding courses over the years and the pros would never teach that. Leaning in to the turn decreases lean angle thus reducing risk.

[@Bryan11210]

The only problem is you run out of lean angle faster. The Fortnine video lays it all out if you want to watch that.

[@steve00alt70]

When it rains and your gopro is in a waterproof case how does your mic still connect to it? You always push right to go right and vice versa. To brake quickly in a straight line coming up to traffic lights you engine brake just cause im lazy 😂 but I always press the back brake to let people know im stopping.

[@Secularworld60]

G’day michael , i’d love to know your thoughts on counter leaning , i’m talking about at road speeds not tight slow manoeuvring . I’ve been playing with this a bit lately and find that i seem to have more time to make a correction mid corner

[@aps-pictures9335]

Essentially why would you deliberately choose to increase risk (counterleanjng at road speeds) vs decrease risk… that’s as simple an answer as you need. Less lean = more traction = safer. Greater contact patch. Also just slow down if you need more thinking time…

[@bsmukler]

⁠Agreed: That is good for off-road and riding and extremely tight, slow turns (like MotoJitsu demonstrates in parking lots). On the road or track (apart from Super Moto) you are dangerously and unnecessarily adding lean angle. Toss in some throttle input, and you’ll be testing your riding gear as you slide across the road.

[@DerpEye]

@@bsmukler It's the opposite actually, most of the time. By counterleaning you gain much more vision in a blind corner, and since you're on a road and not on a track, it doesn't really matter how much you lean or you don't, since you're most likely not going fast enough to lose traction. And if you encounter gravel, you're more likely to control the bike if you're in upright position, instead of hanging off the bars into the corner. Sure, if you see the road you can safely lean into the corner, otherwise i find it more dangerous.

[@Secularworld60]

@@aps-pictures9335 i’m talking about my body position being more upright , the bike lean angle remains the same

[@bsmukler]

@@DerpEye Well, to each, his own. I think it’s common for new riders to increase lean angle mid-corner if they feel they are running wide and, if they are already pushing the bike down and away from them, that is a recipe for a low side.

[@vijayam1]

Where you look, the bike will follow..

[@christyrer9530]

This all common sense stuff and something that I’m sure comes naturally to most of us. All of the cornering problems come with excess speed and I think I’m correct in saying that the majority of motorcycle accidents don’t involve any other vehicles.

[@steveh2544]

Ace 👍 , but the music is terrible.

[@davidthornber6507]

Not sure the dark visor is legal for public road! ? Otherwise grest advice.

[@jamesonpace726]

I dunno about motojourno, but this is also how 1 remains upright & unkilled on a bike, decade after decade....

[@ericaworthington2675]

I was struck by how low you kept the revs, way low in the power band, less than 4k rpm mostly. Higher in the revs you need less braking and can use engine braking more. Interesting.

[@gerardmontgomery280]

He did say he was keeping it a gear higher than normal for the purpose of demonstrating.

[@mhoeij]

13:20 that’s not accurate. If the bars are welded, the bike will not ride straight. It will simply fall. People have tested this, it’s simply impossible to ride a bike when the bars are welded, even in a straight line, the bike is simply not stable that way.

[@podunkman2709]

Do motorcyclists always drive counter steering in corners?

[@gerardmontgomery280]

Yeah. We don't actively countersteer most of the time but the handlebars will naturally turn the "wrong" direction once you're above a certain speed. One bit of advice I was given back in the day was to loosen my grip "it's not a white knuckle ride" then you can feel what the bike wants to do. As long as you relax and keep your eyes on where you want to be then the bike will generally do the right thing. Without even noticing you will be counter steering.

[@podunkman2709]

​@@gerardmontgomery280Thank you

[@runeveryday1069]

It's interesting because at very low speeds under power and feet on the pegs you may actually move the handlebars in the direction of the turn. But due to the weight and size of a motorcycle at the contact point between tire and tarmac there is an almost unperceetable degree of the wheel deflecting opposite the direction of the turn. So the important thing to sense is at low parking speeds you may not be pushing out on the inner handgrip (for example slight pressure outward on left grip on a left turn). But as you become a more practiced rider you'll tend to as a example on a left turn - do a quick left grip shove outward but as the bike initiates the turn you are actually pulling the left grip in delicately. You cannot overthink this and if not sure ride a bicycle and analyze the steering as you do turns. But at speed over 10mph or when increasing the throttle at any speed you will be counter-steering. The really beautiful thing about a motorcycle is that at any speed over a crawl you can perform a dance of (1) counter-steering the handlebars, (2) shifting weight on the seat and (3) shifting weight on the pegs. Or you could just be using one of those three. Then utilizing brakes and throttle you can fine tune your cornering. Imperceptible, second-nature, muscle memory - the intuitiveness of a motorcycle is it's forte.

[@somatyk]

Joseph. Captions. Please. For the love of God. Auto generated. Not everyone has the best of hearing.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I am a self-confessed corner hater. I have nil interest in anything but getting around them safely. I have never got my knee down, nor do I wish to. Nonetheless, good luck (and much respect) to all those willing to try it. UPDATE: I am genuinely shocked by how many comments I am receiving from people who seem unable to understand that having fun riding a bike does not mean you MUST get your knee down or enjoy going around bends at speed. By the same token I don't enjoy ZZ Top, have little interest in being in a bike gang/group, and never go to, or watch, motorcycle racing. And no, I don't pull wheelies either.

[@aps-pictures9335]

Okay, but this video has nothing to do with getting your knee down or speed?

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I never claimed it did.@@aps-pictures9335

[@lovelessissimo]

Corners are the best part of riding a motorcycle.

[@chriswest2290]

It's the best bit about riding. Braking late into the corner, carry a decent amount of corner speed, then lifting the bike up and getting on the power at the exit. Love it

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

For you maybe. For me, filtering through a mahhosive long queue of stationary cars is the best part of motorcycling. @@lovelessissimo

[@user-mk7go2tp7n]

** URGENT ** Please allow, enable, turn on ability to watch using SUBTITLES for deaf and hard of hearing bikers-viewers. My inate superpowers don't allow me to lip-read you through you r helmet.

[@TheScortUK]

Pretty sure this video was uploaded months ago

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I might be a killjoy, but at least I'm honest....

[@TheScortUK]

​@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOneyou were also messaging a clearly scam account 😂😂😂😂😂

[@dddddd5135]

since you have deleted my last comment on the channel i have decided to leave you.not a big lost from you side but i have not received any message tht clears your side why deleted my message on your videos so id like to say farewell for nit being you fair play for your audiemce.

[@chr11sf]

Blame youtube algorithms not MCN

[@drdoolittle5724]

Don't understand National Speed Limit of 60mph, here in the middle of the Irish Sea the maximum speed allowed is whatever ones bike is capable of, in safety!!!

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Probably why 265 motorcyclists have lost their lives there since racing began. And that doesn't count the general public who's skill levels didn't match their belief.

[@TheScortUK]

Probably for safety - is it really that hard to comprehend? Why on earth would you think that having bikes riding around at 180 (as the rider claims they are safe), and 17 year old lads thrashing their cars over 100 everywhere (again claiming they are safe) is a good idea? It isn't Wacky Races lol 😂

[@aps-pictures9335]

If you’re new to riding or looking for instruction - this vid isn’t it. Not only are the rider’s own lines sloppy through the corners (maybe because demonstrating techniques separately). There are better tuition vids online - and they should all start by discussing limit point or riding to what you can see. Lots of this is touched on here - but not in a way I feel a beginner would remotely benefit from. Note; a great track rider or bike tester, does not always = a great teacher of every biking lesson.

[@Teatimeted]

Even after over a decade of being an active youtube user and fairly prolific commenter, I still struggle to understand why a comment such as this one ever passes the self edit process. WHY?

[@jamesnoneofyourbusiness8808]

​@@Teatimeted- going by a couple of other posts on this vid, I reckon this aps guy is a bit of a troll. Best ignored. Happy New Year all 🎉

[@Teatimeted]

​@@aps-pictures9335 An "experienced opinion" by some random nobody with no motorcycle videos to his/her name, no audience, and no rep... Just some half baked arguement and a massive chip on his/her shoulder. Why would anyone value your opinion?

[@aps-pictures9335]

@@Teatimeted oh look, it’s a passing random hypocrite, with no name, no vids, no audience, and no rep… just some half baked argument he can’t even articulate, and a massive chip on his shoulder. Why would anyone value your opinion?

[@aps-pictures9335]

@@jamesnoneofyourbusiness8808 lol just say ‘I can’t find fault with your comment, but it upset me, so I’ll insult you’