Royal Enfield Guerrilla 450 First Impressions | MotorInc First S02E28

[@motorinc]

*Chapters* 00:00 Gorilla 450 02:06 What Is Guerrilla 450 08:45 Design 12:09 Variants 12:39 Small Fuel Tank 13:36 Seat Height & Weight 14:49 Smooth Engine 17:35 Economy Mode 18:24 Average Tyres 20:05 Chassis Setup 22:50 Comfort 25:45 Brakes & ABS 25:50 Connectivity Updates 26:59 Seating Position 28:08 Cornering 29:30 Colours 30:14 Rider Electronics 31:14 Who Is It For? 32:43 Royal Enfield Mirrors 34:20 Competence vs Enthusiasm 36:50 Modern Royal Enfields Needed 40:43 Quick Summary 51:41 The Broken Frame 53:00 Between Two States 54:35 More 450s Incoming 56:43 Closing Comments *Explore MotorInc memberships* at youtube.com/@motorinc/join

[@suryakathiravan]

Gorilla 😂😂😂

[@kumarbeckham]

Hi guys, love the review, love your honesty... I currently own an avenger 220 (originalversion) and it's been more than 10 years and I'm looking for an upgrade. My priorities are, comfortable ride, low seating position and a relaxed ride. So I looking for a cruiser but I can't think of anything else other than avenger again. This RE guerrilla looked promising but after the review in like back to square 1. Can you suggest any bikes that can solve my problem or should I still go with this guerrilla

[@suryakathiravan]

@@kumarbeckham what about the RE Meteor or Super Meteor?

[@im_dev16]

Hi, could you please make a video on the Pulsar RS200? Is it worth buying in 2024?

[@VijayJayaram-yr7pn]

Shumi sir, you missed adding 12:32 it definitely deserves a place...please add it 😁

[@visheshphadke]

With almost all reviewers praising this bike, I wanted an unbiased opinion; Hence, here I am. Eagerly waiting for a Motorinc View for this too. ❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks for joining us, Vishesh! What did you think?

[@freshoutofthesoundfactory7712]

So true! Everyone is praising this one and alsmost all vehicles left and right these days as if there disappointing machines have just stop existing.

[@Unaad_Sam]

@@visheshphadke Other reviewers are trying to be in good books of all the manufacturers. I love @Motorinc for the honest reviews...

[@HunterVlog350cc]

bro i test rode this and unimpressed by this and liked scrambler400, it is botched up plastic surgery done to himalayan , too much fat tyre feels odd, riding posture is odd , very snappy and not so good looking, in city ride the 350s are better riding due to initial torque at lower rpms

[@shaarodmahanta2473]

​@@HunterVlog350cc few things that you've mentioned here depends on your fitness too.👀 I've tested this bike twice first time i didn't like most probably because that dealership didn't fit the handlebar well The next time I took test ride from another dealer it was fun to ride although it can cruise like japanese bikes in higher gear at lower speed but the sitting triangle was ok, tyres are performed good In tarmac roads filled with potholes and the grunt is great post 3k rpm. The same week i rode ns400z as well it kinda lacks that punch along with the omph factor unlike Guerrilla450.

[@ManavBhatiaaa]

In just a month I have formed such a deep love for this channel and the team involved its crazy

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much @ManavBhatiaaa. We'll pass on your compliments to the team.

[@Jeru_on_the_road]

Welcome home brother

[@harikrishnankk2281]

Same here❤❤

[@sayannath2253]

Same here bro. Hardly 2 weeks

[@Arsenal00007]

Hi bro, please guide how to become a member?

[@Sanjeev_Roy89]

Seriously can spend a whole lazy rainy day listening to these two maestro talking and discussing bikes ..love the content

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much @rokterock!

[@bsenroy]

Talking about the stiff suspension, i am reminded of this great like Jeremy Clarkson used to describe a stiff suspension on a car he was reviewing "when you run over a pheasant, you will be able to tell if it was a male or a female"

[@motorinc]

🤣

[@uvuvwevwevweossaswithglasses]

Man I remembered that lmao

[@ADSCoachSimonB2112]

Tested this bike, not any issues with vibrations was very smooth. The dealership changed the tyres no problem or issues in the wet tires perfectly did the job. It will surprise a lot of people. It’s a very good bike and I will say different enough from others to be very individual.

[@motorinc]

Awesome! Thanks for letting us know!

[@VarunSowmya1822]

@simob7862 did you get your tire replaced from dealership for free? If Yes, which size and brand ?

[@abhinashkumar3161]

My friend also changed the tyers

[@aaronjacob810]

@@VarunSowmya1822 I have the same question too - leaving this here so I get notified. Thanks.

[@bhargav3972]

Which company tyre pls confirm was it changed free of cost?

[@Sanjeev_Roy89]

Finally someone who is not biased for or grateful for the Spain ride. And detailed analysis is what I love and here for, thanks Shumi sir.

[@motorinc]

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks @rokterock!

[@bhoogewerf2823]

Most "auto journalists" reviews read like advertorial and glossed over. Shumi and Karthik are a different kettle of fish; respected for their immense knowledge and opinion.

[@madgunnerbomb]

And there is a difference between spec sheet readers and journalists.

[@freshoutofthesoundfactory7712]

I must say watching your videos and listening to your podcast has greatly improved my understanding of motorcycles and how to ride them better (trying hard to be even better everyday). I rented Himalayan a couple of months back and I could relate to a lot of things that were mentioned on your channel especially the chassis, handling, suspension, headlight and the buzz in the mid range. Even with it’s niggles I did enjoy the ride. The kind of expertise you guys have and the way you guys explain every detail about a vehicle like no other automobile journalists out there is just spectacular. Membership is totally worth it! Also, can’t wait for Citroën Basalt story. And one small suggestion for last episode of Thisconnect - Maintenance of a vahicle, signs of parts getting worn out, what part to be replaced and when. I’m aware manual has a lot of things written (inspect, adjust, lube, replace) regarding the same but I’d like to know more beyond it. Also are there any non motorcycle brand specific service centers that we can go to who can service our vehicals better? Thank you!

[@motorinc]

Requests noted, @freshoutofthesoundfactory7712! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!

[@Jeru_on_the_road]

Welcome home brother

[@monkWarrior-t3w]

Perfect start to the morning 😊 Hunter 450 is what came to mind when I saw it for the first time 😅😅

[@motorinc]

😆

[@govind9402]

It's like when hunter and Himalayan had a baby

[@sayanmandal2246]

​​@@govind9402 A Himalayan-Hunter Offspring should have been named YETI and not Gorilla.😂 Coz Gorilla makes it an African Baby. 😂

[@govind9402]

@@sayanmandal2246 yaaaa yati

[@_abhimanyu.]

Finally some else thinks the same.I saw a Hunter 350 on the road yesterday and i was thinking doesn't the Guerrilla and Hunter look exactly the same.

[@whatsgoingon71]

Whoever cut this video is a genius. The hidden story of this video is the gentleman on the left slowly dying inside bit by bit. Each reaction shot was carefully chosen to convey the emotions of sadness and profund disappointment. 😂

[@motorinc]

♥️

[@electrosystems1271]

Review Java 42 2024 new model

[@chekhurra]

This is an amazing podcast. The way you guys review and then explain it to a general audience is pin point. Every one is praising this bike so much but your analysis was great. I think you guys should do a series on hindi also so that you can reach to a wider audience. People need to hear you.

[@motorinc]

Thanks @chekhurra! We're working on Hindi... stay tuned!

[@atharvshringare2547]

That silver colour on the base model looks really good and simple and I was really excited for this one with the high praise of Himalayan. Well atleast now we as Indians have amazing variety of options to choose from in this ever so growing 400cc range. Can’t wait to test ride this one.

[@motorinc]

Agreed!

[@iamkarthiksubramanian]

Every chanel in YT has given its verdict but I always wait for you guys to lay it down plain and simple.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for the faith, and for your patience, Karthik!

[@habeeburrahaman257]

Guerilla should be pronounced as Gae-riya. The word originates from the Spanish word Guerra (war) combined with little resulting in Guerilla literally meaning small war or little war. Just a nugget of knowledge if anyone was wondering.

[@motorinc]

Thanks HR!

[@ayonbiswas4186]

@@habeeburrahaman257 finally someone took his time to clear out the fog!! Take my bow, my good sir!!

[@namansharma1032]

Knowledge - check. Presentation - check. Humour - check. Innate Love for Motorcycles - check. The way you both dive into the topic and talk about it, your passion speaks more than words. I am not looking to buy a new bike or a sedan as of now, but I would still watch all those videos coz you inspire me with the fact that this is what happens when you do what you love. People just want to be there and fuel themselves with your zeal. Hats off to both of you !

[@motorinc]

Thanks a ton, Naman! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!

[@chinmaytinaikar3292]

Your love for the automobile is stark clear, you must have time of your life recording these conversation. it transcends through camera and display straight to heart. Love it every bit.

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much Chinmay!

[@viru5183]

"I have torches which are more powerful than RE headlights" - Shumi of motorinc 🔥 Savage 😂 Agreed . . RE really need to look at their H.Light and breaking overall safety mechanism

[@motorinc]

Also, he really does have torches like that 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@viru5183]

@@motorinc Haha You both complement each other perfectly . A good combo of outgoing and ingoing personalities which we love to listen to Watch to Learn from. Carry on guys . 🤟

[@motorinc]

Thanks @viru5183!

[@abhinavrathor9856]

@@motorinc Is he into cave exploration or something?

[@praneshs8344]

@@abhinavrathor9856 personally we all would like to know answers for this @motorinc

[@viditsharma6663]

The disappointment was palpable in the review. Kartik's right, even my excitement fizzled the moment I saw the bike.

[@motorinc]

Why did your excitement fizzle out? Please explain?

[@YoursNemo]

​@@motorinc First Question, what am I supposed to do with this bike ? What's the purpose of its existence ? Touring- No Off Road- kinda yes.Can the Himalayan Toure and off-road? Sure.

[@IronMan-dp8gv]

my excitement died when I saw the color schemes which didn't aligned to my taste

[@Jeru_on_the_road]

Cant blame them sir, rite ?!?!? lol . I am with you as well.

[@viditsharma6663]

​@@motorinc This is not very good looking bike. Looks too small or maybe the colors didn't strike the cords

[@iamhuman9822]

Probably the only people in the entire nation who give unfiltered N unbiased judgement on point, without sugar coating and without bending the knee for company.

[@motorinc]

Thanks @iamhuman9822! Appreciate it.

[@HotPaniPuri]

Man I absolutely love this kind of discussion where you explain in detail why certain elements In the bike are designed in a way from designers perspective. I always learn new things watching these videos. Sometimes I have to open a new tab and google somethings to understand what you are talking about which shows that I am always learning. Great work guys. This is what separates you from others where they just read spec sheet and has no clue why it is in that way. Watched entire video without skipping a beat and top notch production too. Worth my time♥

[@motorinc]

Awesome awesome awesome! We love your comment and approach, Sriharsha! We love that you enjoy the watch, that you google what you don't understand and learning. This is awesome.

[@adityachhugani9747]

This feels like with every engine royal enfield has, one bike will excel and be a very good package and one will be cheapened out but will have the most affordable price tag so it kind of justifies its existence. This is the longest quick summary on this channel I suppose 10/10 for Kartik sir to call it Gorilla 😂

[@motorinc]

Good point AC!

[@Petrol_and_positivity]

Also folk, the Himalayan 650, is not a 650. I was at Bigrock dirt park where the testing for this bike happened. It’s got a dual disc set up at the front, and the folks testing it didn’t tell me much- but that it was a larger engine than the 650.

[@motorinc]

Really! Thanks for letting us know!

[@rjv_mntn]

Bigrock in Hyderabad or Bangalore? Just curious.

[@Petrol_and_positivity]

@@rjv_mntn blr.

[@Jeru_on_the_road]

When u mean not a 650 ?!?!? What do you mean sir?!?!

[@arjunmark2148]

@@Jeru_on_the_road must be the same block but larger CC 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@cowsty]

10:19 Turn on closed caption for this one. KZbin is hilarious. It shows Shumi saying, remember they have one foot in the pasta 😅

[@sreejat]

ahahahaha nice catch

[@motorinc]

🤷🏽‍♂️🤣

[@cowsty]

@@sreejat😂

[@Jeru_on_the_road]

I got to go check this out

[@aydict]

You guys make the only 1-hour videos that i can always just sit and watch without any complaints

[@motorinc]

And we're thankful for it @aydict!😊

[@nbmh360]

Some of us don't want bikes to commit themselves too much to one particular type of riding. That's what I like about this except for the fuel tank. Definitely considering this option.

[@motorinc]

Yes! Makes sense, @nbmh360. But bikes that do one particular thing always turn out more memorable than bikes that do not in our experience.

[@nbmh360]

@motorinc may be I guess it's all about preferences. A casual rider like me who doesn't want to go fast on a highway or offroading these kind of bikes make more sense. Suspension might be an issue like you said, need to take a test ride but overall definitely worth considering for me.

[@virupakshawalla5734]

​@@nbmh360just empty 2 litre coke bottle for linger trip petrol 😂. How much bigger is the tank with say 1.5 to 2 litres more capacity. I think it looks pretty good though.

[@Ramadas.T.D]

I testrode both guerilla and 2 himalayans. One himalayan was way smoother than the other(in terms of power delivery). I can confirm that guerilla felt like it had lesser vibration than himalayan. It might be the tuning like you said but my guess is that the chassis preventing the vibration to reach the rider.

[@motorinc]

Thanks @Ramadas.T.D!

[@rjv_mntn]

I keep going to the RE showroom in Hyderabad and they are quite generous with giving out test rides. I took test rides of Himalayan (3 times total), Super Meteor, ShotGun, Guerrilla over multiple visits. They are generous enough for me to do a test ride of more than 1 motorcycle back to back. On one such visit, I rode the Himalayan and Guerrilla back to back and the engine definitely felt a lot more smoother on the Guerrilla. At idle, at around 4k, at around 6k. Everywhere. The engine felt much better on the Guerilla for sure. As a 5' 7" guy, the motorcycle was also a lot easier to handle than the Himalayan.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing @rjv_mntn, appreciate it. How was the suspension for you?

[@rjv_mntn]

@@motorinc I liked the Himalayan better overall in terms of suspension. The Guerrilla felt ok in the little bit that I rode.

[@motorinc]

Thanks @rjv_mntn!

[@serenestrolls-d7b]

You are lucky. In Delhi, most of the RE showroom people are rude and don’t even give test rides. They just start telling the price of the bike.

[@abhinashkumar3161]

​@@serenestrolls-d7b Delhi people are also rude

[@KaizerBillimoria]

In BSVI 4 wheelers there us a chime that happens to warn that one has reached 80 kmph. On the Himalayan and the Gorilla there are vibrations

[@motorinc]

🤣

[@shreeharimenon5275]

Never heard an unfiltered review of this bike. So glad I came across this episode. Keep up the great work!

[@motorinc]

Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!

[@DogMania]

I love listening to these two talk in depth and passionately about motorcycles!! They are my faves along with the Revzilla Highside/Lowside journalists! Just fantastic and mesmerizing! Keep up the great work!

[@vignesh80100]

So I did a back to back test ride of Guerilla and the Himalayan. I think 95% of the people will be catered by the performance and handling of the guerrilla. It felt more planted as the centre of mass is lower. The power delivery felt smoother than the Himalayan. It did feel like riding a more powerful hunter 350 but better than it in every manner. I've tested the speed and scrambler too. But i personally felt they are more flat and not as fizzy as guerilla right off the bat. And they felt as physically smaller bikes too. Another small ick for me in the Triumph twins were if they could've swapped the needle for the rpm meter instead of speedometer and have the speed digitally shown. No complaints about the meters in Triumph as it does its job as it should. The intake sound on the guerilla is just pure bliss. Gives you the feel of riding something substantial and powerful which it is. Both are not dull machines in any aspects. But what I felt was the guerilla is like a fresh direction for RE and I hope they continue on this path of making good performance motorcycles. I won't complain too much about the tank size. Would I have liked more capacity? Yes. But will I non stop ride for no less than 200 - 300 kms at one stretch without taking any break? I doubt it. I doubt the majority of the riders on the road do the same given the conditions of roads and their ability to sit on the saddle continuously all day long. The 5-10% of people who may continuously ride that much might feel the lesser capacity being a hurdle. All in all it is a good motorcycle :)

[@mathewcheruvathoor4693]

Absolutely.

[@vignesh80100]

@@mathewcheruvathoor4693 thanks 😄

[@suryanshridesbikes]

For me, the exact reason why I love the Triumph Speed 400's speedometers are them being semi digital 😂

[@vignesh80100]

@@suryanshridesbikes I like the semi digital setup too! It's just that the speedo should've been on the digital and the analogue needle should've been the rev counter. Would've been lovely that way Just my small preference 😄

[@suryanshridesbikes]

@@vignesh80100 or I wished they jus made it with like 2 analogues for both the speedo and rev meter, and provided a smaller display for other stuff!

[@alexmercer3001]

46:08 I literally laughed rolling on the floor. Only Shumi and Karthikeya can make us watch a full 45 minute video of they both talking, It is so informative yet fun to watch.🤩🤩🤩

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@TarunChoudhry]

Quite the review that resonates with my impression of Guerrilla 450. Had a chance to be a pillion as I dropped my CB350 for service, a friend picked me up and dropped me back as well. Five minutes into the ride, I was remembering all the people who I discarded in my life asking me "aapki back mein dard nahi hota.." .. it was the first motorcycle I came across doing that to me. May be its just a pillion thing but it's bad. I kept deciding in my thoughts, that I will request my friend not to mind if I take a cab back to pick up my bike but of course he'd mind so I hitched the hike back and was done with it. The other thing was how it threw up the muck from the road up the pillion's back. Couple of more things, not sure if many will agree with, the whole lower part of the motorcycle, engine, engine casings in particular, the exhaust pipe, it all suits the demeanor of HImalayan for it being rough and tough and industrial which gives it character and to get dusty on off roads. But in my humble opinion, road bike has to be pretty. This is clearly not, and the blunder of paint schemes is a deal breaker. Out of context of the above, currently I am obsessing over the BSA Gold Star. Looking forward to the ride review. Mentally decided to pick one but cannot really seal the deal without your expert comments.

[@motorinc]

Hey Tarun! Good to see you in the comments again! The pillion thing is also related to preload. it's set to the softest, which means raising it a few notches would probably have felt a lot more settled and comfortable. Point about the initial charm of the design is spot on! As to the BSA: CL isn't too keen on us reviewing their products since our Jawa 350 review (seen it?). And the point we made in that is valid for the BSAGS650 too. They're working on product quality and ownership experience right now. We'd rather you bought their products after their finished the work, rathe than now.

[@TarunChoudhry]

@@motorinc Thanks a lot for the tip. Yes I have seen review of Jawa 350

[@TechSavvyArish]

I had been wondering for a very long time where Kartikeye and Shumi had disappeared to from their old channels. About a month ago, my friend told me about your launched channel MotorInc, and that's when I started watching your videos here. I'm very happy you guys decided to take the initiative. I've been a bike enthusiast for as long as I can remember, and I really like this new format and all you've done with it; it's now my go-to channel. I love how you guys describe the intricacies of a bike and with the emotion that it's not just a bike but a feeling. Wonderful job; best of luck to the entire team.

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much for joining us here too @TechSavvyArish

[@sanjeevchippalkatti5586]

I am just a huge fan of these podcasts on automobiles with so much detail that I would watch without skipping even a second, and please do not stop; we need more of such videos!!. Guys, can guys say a big hi to Shumi and Kartik from my side? If possible, please include cinematic slow mo ride shots in these videos; it would look fantastic!!

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

I am perplexed. I have exactly the opposite experience to Shumi whe it comes to the Ceat tyres. I did not find it lacking grip. And i do have a 2021 rc390 with road 5s, duke 390 that had apollos and were immediately swapped with road 5s and a himalayan on stock ceat with 8000km on it now. It is stiff and does not come close to the himalayan, yes. But I found the grip in wet far better than apollos. And yes, the G450 is smoother than the H450 when I got it. But my h450 now is much smoother than a new G450. There is absolute night and day difference in how smooth it has become. No aggressive vibes at 100-115kph. I do have a Fuel x and a BMC air filter. But if two simple mods makes the sherpa that smooth, it is a bargain. And the mirrors I got also had the same issue on the H450. I adjusted the mirrors, and spannered it tightly. Never had to touch it again. And they are good mirrors with minimal vibes and I could discern the car manufacturer by their headlight shape in the night with the antiglare coating coming stock. It has to be seen if I just ran into the jackpot with the perfect RE made. I am truly perplexed. edit : P.s. Michelin road 5 is available in 120/160. And there are eurogrip roadhounds as well.

[@motorinc]

Hey Doc! We didn't say all Ceat tyres. Shumi's comments were specific to the ones on the GRR. The Himalayan tyres, for example, work quite well for what they are. If the filter/piggyback solved the vibration for you, that's awesome news. We do believe the GRR maps - smoother than H450 - will find their way back to the Himalayan too. Yes the point isn't that it can't be fixed. The point is the predictably loosening mirrors are a RE speciality now, practically a standing joke during testing. As to the tyre sizes. Just compare the prices of the 110/150 sets, like the ProTorque Extreme, or H1 to the 120/160 set and you'll see why we say finding alternatives is more challenging

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

@@motorinc I was referring to the Ceats on the GRR and not the himalayan. Yeah, the mirror vendor is definitely taking out some pichle janam ka badlaa with RE. And yes, I do understand the 120/160 are a fair bit more expensive, But also of much higher quality. The roadhounds show great promise. The michelin 120/160s are made in Spain and not Thailand. etc etc. I do remember the time when KTMs came into our lives with 110/150 section tyres. How many options were there back then? Yes, the GRR is not even close to being as influential as the gen 1 d390 was. We both are coming at it from different directions, I guess. Royal Enfield will never make an outright stance on modernisation. It will be gradual. And there will be hits and misses. I am frustrated with this as well. I do not know why my Himalayan cannot come with twin projector lamps. I am happy they did away with the tail-lamp otherwise it would be a circle or rectangle as well. My gripe with the mirrors is not that they are not done well from the factory, but that they are round and not showing a big chunk of what is happening behind me. round mirrors do not work. Not on the desert x and not here. But H450 is a huge step forward for RE. If only RE launched GRR first and then the H450.

[@stevencharles8421]

@@motorincRE’s testing team is a joke from my personal experience. My month old GT’s indicators are not aligned properly, headlights are aligned towards higher side and the elephant in the room is the Throttle Body which is defective from day one. RE service center is replacing in warranty but this ruins the customer experience.If possible please do pass this feedback to RE so that other customers won’t suffer like this.

[@thecontentstreet1837]

@@MedicOnAMotorcycle Cummon man, you think a global giant like RE can't figure out mirrors. It's done so that you can buy their touring mirrors which are 6K onwards. Just like most of their bikes come with tube tyres and spoke wheels so you can spend extra 20k to buy alloys and tubeless.

[@MedicOnAMotorcycle]

@@thecontentstreet1837 Getting the touring mirrors from RE is extremely stupid. They are made of the same anti glare glass and of the exact same diameter. And I am not sure if keeping the mirror stalk adjusters loose is a business strategy or pure complacency about their product. It is annoying either ways. I think tube tyres is more because of aesthetics of of the spoke rims. And while Shumi in his This connect said he has suffered immediate deflation and a near accident scenario with tubes, i have suffered the same with tubeless on my rc200 when both alloys just cracked simultaneously and i almost clobbered into a flyover divider. So I do not hate tubes as much as other do. A simple can of motul P3 and a battery operated tyre inflator keeps me safe.

[@khajaamjid4898]

As im its owner theres also another issue with ride modes. The moment you set Eco mode it will come back to Performance mode whence you shut the engine. Then again it needs to be put in Eco mode when you start again and its annoying because you cant always remember to switch it to and fro everytime. Overall i loved the handling and cornering experience of this bike. It has good accessibility than that of Himalayan which seems to be much heavier. And I drove a CL 350 before and so far I believe its a lovely upgrade. 2 points you really got into is color combination which is awful and that backplate gap of headlight also looks like its unfinished there but it can get solved by instrument cowl accessory to some extent . Loved your review though✌

[@motorinc]

First, congratulations @khajaamjid4898! And thanks for sharing your experience with us! Oh no! The mode resetting on ignition is very, very annoying!

[@athulkshibu_aks]

52:46 : can totally relate to this as an Himalayan owner. I don't have to find reasons to ride the Himalayan. Whatever it is, wherever it is, I am confident to take it out and that puts a smile on my face. My request to anyone who is considering the GRR450 is to take a long test ride of the Himalayan 450 as well....

[@Quenchedfooty]

I wish RE brought in tubeless tyres for H450

[@motorinc]

Agreed!

[@motorinc]

@Quenchedfooty: Someone posted on yesterday's community post that the RE dealer informed them that Sep24 the tubeless rims would come at ₹25k more than the prices of the Kamet White/Hanle Black. We've asked RE for a confirmation, let's see what they say

[@athulkshibu_aks]

@@motorinc yayyy! *Insert "take my money meme template*

[@mukundtank1411]

Watched this almost 60 min. Discussion without a skip or fast forward. I can’t even watch 8-10 min bike review videos without fast forwarding… Only this duo can do this… Big 👍🏻👍🏻 for Shumi

[@motorinc]

We appreciate that Mukund! Thanks!

[@bikersgarage7184]

Hi Shumi sir, You are by far the most experienced and knowledgeable bike rider and reviewer i have seen so far. You not only have good knowledge as rider but also have good knowledge on technical front as well. That is the reason i am putting my point of view and question in front of you to seek some advice which will help me to invest my money wisely in the best 400cc category bike. I was actually looking for a 250cc bike but since i am getting a 400cc bike in the same price range i am planning for 400cc/450cc bike. Now i am looking for a bike which is speed, fun and thrilling but when only when i want it to be so.. And i want it to be reasonably fast and as well as calm rest of the time while i am cruising& commuting in city. And i found out Speed 400 to be the perfect match but i can't ignore how capable Guerilla 450 is but i am not one who prefers such a aggressive riding everytime i go out for a ride. So i heard Guerilla's performance is reduced in eco mode. 1. If i put Guerilla 450 in eco mode how much percent of horsepower and torque is available? 2. Is the Guerilla's eco mode similar to Speed 400 normal performance or how less or more is it? 3. Also please explain more about guerilla's eco mode performance. Thanks.

[@prnv7]

The feeling and expression of disappointment in Karthik's expression speaks a lot.

[@motorinc]

🤷🏾‍♂️

[@surjethumapathy]

I tested the guerrilla and Himalayan back to back and found that guerrilla is slightly smoother than Himalayan but my personal preference would be Himalayan to guerrilla.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing @surjethumapathy.

[@rjv_mntn]

I concor. The Guerrilla is smoother and easier to handle, but I like the Himalayan's character more.

[@kumarmritunjay5484]

16:43 I own a Himalayan 450, and I tested the guerrilla 450. Points about guerrilla Guerilla is a bit smoother Its agile and much easier in traffic Felt much smaller (to me atleast) Suspension a bit stiffer than the Himalayan

[@motorinc]

Thanks Mritunjay!

[@justken5]

I dont know if its a region thing but reviewers in India straight up meatride the company or bike they are reviewing. Really refreshing to hear an actual review after a while. Bravo. 🙏

[@KuroLurker]

The level of quality on this channel is on another level. Gradings from Colombia

[@motorinc]

Hello @KuroLurker! Welcome to MotorInc. Thank you for the kind words!

[@rohithv97]

33:56 so true. This has been so annoying. Especially in traffic. I call it sentient mirrors

[@motorinc]

😅

[@tanmoysarkar7333]

Now I understand why I see so many Himalayans with ktm mirrors 😂

[@respond2kaushik]

agree. really pissed with the quality of mirrors on my hunter.

[@archishgudipudi2]

RE had this problem since ages.. I replaced my TB 350 stock mirrors with Bajaj Avenger mirrors and never looked back since then.. Of course I do use them to look back at the vehicles tho.. 🤓

[@respond2kaushik]

@@archishgudipudi2 a friend of mine has done the same jugad. Getting the mirrors replaced today.

[@nationalplate4127]

Hey, Just wanted to ask how much of niggles of Guerrilla 450 could be just solved by changing the tyres to more road biased tyres? If possible could you test a more road biased tyres on Guerrilla 450 in your 'View' review.

[@mrigangagrawal5821]

Felt like ETERNITY waiting for this ❤

[@motorinc]

Thanks for your patience!

[@santoshcg8756]

Man I love how you described it without holding anything and that unbiased view is damn cool... It's my first time watching a video of your channel and instant subscribe... That's how you should be doing things. And this is my ovation 👏

[@MandeepWaliaYo]

The channel's commitment to clarity and thoroughness in their auto reviews is truly commendable. They have a knack for distilling complex information into digestible content that ensures viewers grasp every aspect of the review. The team's dedication to the basics, without sacrificing depth, sets a high standard in automotive journalism. It's no wonder viewers are tipping their hats to the creators and the unseen team working tirelessly behind the scenes. This channel is not just a source of information; it's a masterclass in how to engage and educate an audience, making it a paragon for others in the field. Indeed, it should be considered a benchmark for auto reviews.❤

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much for the kind words @MandeepWaliaYo! We'll pass on your compliments to the entire team.

[@Motor_.MantraYT]

36:42 Kartik was basically fuming at this point 😂

[@motorinc]

😊

[@devntube]

4:06 - Am I the only one who is noticing that the Fender and the tyre is not aligned on a new bike!!!

[@motorinc]

No others have noticed this too @devntube

[@chiraggowda4928]

Playa black has Karnataka flag in it.

[@motorinc]

💯

[@adityar1208]

I've been hooked on this auto channel! It's a breath of fresh air in the world of automotive content. The plain white background might seem minimalist, but it's actually a genius move that allows the content to shine. I've binged watched countless videos and shorts in just a few days. Highly recommended for anyone looking for a unique and engaging automotive experience.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for the kind words @adityar1208! Glad to hear that you're enjoying the MotorInc experience.

[@sumuqh]

I love this podcast format of reviews/ first impressions. You two are bloody brilliant at what you do.

[@motorinc]

Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!

[@KVSrirangam]

Are our Tyre Manufacturers really that bad. Iam seeing a lot of complaints regarding tyres more than machines and I never heard anyone said oh this tyre just blew me away

[@motorinc]

Really? We _LOVE_ the Apollo H1, the Eurogrip Pro Torque Extreme, for example

[@KVSrirangam]

@@motorinc Yeah I agree but is it global level or they still have room for improvement to compete at global markets with Pirelli or michellin is the question

[@motorinc]

In the 110/150 tyre size set (most 400s), we'd choose the H1/Extreme over everything else

[@dileepvijayakumar2998]

Are the mrf zapper types on my n160 good or bad ?

[@stinger7523]

I agree with Kartikeya, just the first glance of the bike killed the vibe . I mean it looks like scrambler from back half, and for the front half it looks like someone hammered a baseball bat on the tank🤕. It just feels weird. I think as you mentioned they should have done mild version of this and fully aggressive version. They did with Himalayan(basic and rally one), they could have done with Guerrilla something similar with calm and aggressive nature.

[@motorinc]

Spot on!

[@110mano]

True. Big fan of the new Himalayan (with the hope that they'll refine it over the years) but Guerrilla is the most disproportionate and hideous of all RE's so far. It is a symbol of being lost and confused. As a biker you are supposed to identify with any design deep within yourself. With this one, I don't know what it is. Looks like a highschool science project contraption which will not leave the exhibition hall.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your perspective @110mano!

[@kshitijpandey6514]

I dont know why woulld RE name a roadster or a street bike guerilla because guerilla is supposed to be art of mountain warfare If good mountain bike would have this name it woulld be awesome cuz it would symbolize the war of the machine against rocks and mountaineous debris which would nice Also its such a niche word and we have started calling it gorilla 🥲😭😭

[@motorinc]

We hadn't thought of it like that!

[@kshitijpandey6514]

​@motorinc it's actually my dumb brain, which tries to find symbolism in everything which makes me even more annoyed Not a very useful way to spend energy

[@motorinc]

Not dumb! Fresh perspective!

[@anirudhsathian4204]

well tbf guerrilla doesnt mean mountain warfare. it's unconventional warfare that prioritizes mobility and flexibility. the name makes good sense imo since guerrilla warfare is usually employed by small forces against more equipped adversaries.

[@kshitijpandey6514]

​@@anirudhsathian4204ah ok i had always thought that guerrilla it was mountainous warfare but doing the research realized that it was unconventional warfare My misconception was due to the reason that I used to read in history books which defined guerilla warfare as mountainous warfare Thanks for clarifying my misconception

[@santhakumarj7760]

Today is my engagement and I was a little stressed with anxiety. And I needed a good distraction. And you guys made it so fun full to watch a 1 hour video of bike which in no way suits my budget or lifestyle. So thank you so much team ❤

[@motorinc]

Congratulations Santhakumar!

[@pearladnan]

What a detailed description of Royal Enfield and Gurrilla 450. Great to watch this.. well done.

[@motorinc]

Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!

[@inventographtechnologies2871]

Can't even start how much impact Shumi has on my passion for motorcycles. We love you Shumi!

[@astonjondalmeida4528]

These guys are soo great together.. they get so much on the table. you can see a genuine thirst for bikes.. please so share my regards to Kartik and Shumi

[@motorinc]

Thanks a ton Aston! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!

[@thesingson9792]

This is the only place i come to check any new vehicles❤ the most complete information + origin of the product

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@ncpraneeth2790]

Tested both the Himalayan and Guerrilla back to back multiple times and yes, This is engine is much smoother and has less vibration.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for letting us know Praneeth! Really helps!

[@sabareesheswaraprasad6149]

Listening to this while riding my reborn to office..It feels good ❤️

[@sunilsasidharan8614]

I took a test drive last week and it was the very basic test drive which is 1-2 kms and no extensive testing. I really enjoyed it and have been dreaming about it to become my next upgrade. Up until I watched this full episode. In the beginning, felt like breaking the fourth wall and slapping Shumi left to right and right to left😂. However, after listening furthermore I really started to realise how valid those points were. Great stuff by motorinc channel. Keep up the good work. I still haven't planned to buy a new bike yet and would take a couple more months to get my financials right. By that time, more motorcycles can be expected to launch( like remaining 450's 😂) and I will wait to listen to all what Motorinc has to say about them as well.

[@Vaishnav_Shet]

As i am a student which bike is best agressive and performance. Royal Enfield hunter 350 or Guerrilla 450. But i like the look of royal Enfield guerrilla 450 (flash blue colour) as you are senior which bike is the best one.

[@mustansirsabir]

Words of wisdom! I had been waiting patiently for the Guerrilla 450 to be launched since I first came to know about it, did the test ride as soon as the first bike hit the nearest dealership. After the test ride, my brain was supremely confused about what this bike is supposed to be, I felt like it has power it can deliver but why is it hesitant to do that. I had been feeling confused about what to think about it, do I want it ? would I love it ? Then I took back to back test rides of Himalayan and Guerrilla and found out that even though Himalayan is a bigger one out of the two motorcycles, somehow Himalayan seems more organic than Guerrilla, a better bike to own, a better machine to love riding on.

[@motorinc]

Yes! Thats exactly how we felt too!

[@siddharthapadhy]

I used to read motoring magazines up untill 2012. Watching Motor Inc feels the same. I wish, I could join you.

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@omkarsamulailatpam7318]

I just love how Shumi sir is giving unbiased critics regarding the bike and clearing many of my doubts without even asking.

[@Abh1shek.Pandey]

I just did a 2 hour test drive of Guerrilla 450 yesterday and couldn't agree more with Mr. Shubhabrata . Mr. shubhabrata I love your work , you are a guy who gives unbiased, no-nonsense, straight to the point opinion. Great Work Sir. 💯✅👏👏

[@ayaanfkh]

4 minutes into the video and I'm already commenting this. Shumi's way of explaining everything is beautiful and he even makes the technicalities so interesting that i actually want to listen to what has been done to the bike rather than just jumping on to is it worth buying. I've said this before, Shumi really is an SME.

[@motorinc]

Thanks Ayaan!

[@vbanner]

I used to be a regular motorinc viewer and commenter, but now I joined a job in Mahape, Navi Mumbai... and now everything is haywire. So I'm listening to this on Monday morning while making breakfast.... couldn't make up time to listen to the latest podcast too... feeling a bit sad. But sliver lining is I'm closer to motorinc and you two, maybe some fine morning or evening I'll get to see Shumi or Kartikey on road... maybe. ❤

[@motorinc]

We're here to keep you company whenever you need @vbanner!😊 Watch/listen as you see fit.

[@murlibhat]

Having sold my Meteor 350 was waiting for Guerrilla to decide among,G450, H450 and Scrambler 400x. Did the test ride on the day G450 was launched in showroom. 2 things on my priority I clearly didn't like- Suspension and Low end torque. 2 things I liked - Relative bigger size to Triumph and Colors. Also like the punchy midrange. Because of suspension it was an easy decision and same day went n booked the Scrambler 400X H450 ruled out due to weight and tube tyres even though excellent suspension

[@07srikanth]

I was waiting for this channel to put their impressions because rest of them are doing waah waah of this bike. Finally honest reviews!!

[@ankurchakrabarti20]

Legends talking bike. Headphones in, cup of coffee and the rant. Pure joy!!

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽

[@dhanurdharramswamy180]

It is such a delight listening to both of you talk. There's so much thought that you have when you are evaluating a car/bike. Might I suggest you try a POV video of you driving these vehicles for us to be part of the thought process. No content is enough from you both. Cheers

[@motorinc]

Feedback noted @dhanurdharramswamy180! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!

[@sandeshkd]

AWESOME!!! Loved the unbiased frank opinions, a rarity nowadays. Thanks team. Great Job.....

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @sandeshkd!

[@manavdc]

23:56 The way they rave about Himalayan suspension ❤

[@motorinc]

♥️

[@dhandapani10]

Thank you, Sirs, for your honest opinions...it's always refreshing to hear your take on all aspects Motoring....One question about this bike: Would you agree that a change to better tires would dramatically improve your opinion of the 'GRR' to 'GRRR+' 🙂?

[@motorinc]

It'd be a good start for sure @dhandapani10!

[@dhandapani10]

@@motorinc So what in your opinion would need to fundamentally change to make it a good city commuter and weekend

[@danydpatel007]

The more and more Karitkeya talks about Himalayan 450. It makes me fall in love with my HIMA450 more and more 🥰

[@motorinc]

🤜🏽🤛🏽 It really is a wonderful machine!

[@banmnx4823]

When I want to form an opinion about a motorcycle, I first see if Motorinc has covered it on their channel, and if so, I watch and listen to their video. That way, when I go for a test drive, I know what to watch out for. Outstanding work once more!

[@motorinc]

Wow! Thanks @banmnx4823

[@kaushikroy1631]

Thanks for an honest review. Exactly same feelings when i saw the bike and took a test ride . Surprised how other reviews on YT were so different than the experience.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @kaushikroy1631

[@ranjithk9150]

58:36 - Oh I really agree with the comment on Himmis suspension. That’s just another level, borderline magic. Almost 5k on the bike.

[@adokshajbhandarkar5492]

Great review! Thank you for your insights Shumi Sir!

[@motorinc]

Thanks for joining us @adokshajbhadarkar5492

[@amaan1987]

Shumi I just love the way you talk. Its like a poetry. Everytime I hear a new bike is out. I wait for ur discussion video. Thank you for what you are doing for us. Big fan bro

[@motorinc]

Thank you very much @amaan1987.

[@spiritualgupshup]

24:16... Is where I have to take pause.. guys... U kill it!

[@motorinc]

Thanks @spiriitualgupshup!

[@Jeru_on_the_road]

I just watched tthe whole epsiode and here I am typing this message. Im just the average motorcyclist and not a moto-journalist like the two of your fine gentlemen. Saying that, I have been in the RE eco system, like most of us here have been or still are. This is such a honest review and I'm not talking just the bike, but for what the brand could have taken this platform too or even further. It is what it is, i guess for Royal Enfield. I just want say thank you, oh btw, on a side note, i use this podcast as a casestudy on how a "product review" should be hosted for office. Much Love Jeremy Dcruz PS: My wife just kept laughing and she was like i told you so, listen to Shumi & Karthick .

[@motorinc]

Wow, thank you for the kind words @Jeru_on_the_road! We'll pass on your compliments to the entire team.

[@nikhilghadge9490]

I simply switched my RE Standard 350 mirrors with old Avenger squarish mirrors and never had a problem again. In fact, I bought 3 sets just to be sure that i don't fall short of it in the future. The engine gave me problems, but I am still on my first set of mirrors after 6 years. 33:06

[@roshanthapa25]

Jesus! These two guys can actually talk about one single bike for a one whole ducking hour and still keep the viewer engaged. Really Nice in-depth video. And I agree with the broken frame thing, m sure that’s a thing of past. But even when you guys were praising Himalayan (especially chassis) so much, only thing that was coming in my mind is “didn’t that shit had the frame broken which I saw all over the internet”. Sure it must have improved after iterations but it it still remains in my mind. It broke couple of times, It is what it is.

[@motorinc]

Thanks Roshan! Yes, bad news is sticky and it'll take a while before we can completely forget it happened

[@Mankiratsinghsehra]

always a pleasure listening to Shumi and Kartik. Lovely first look!

[@motorinc]

Thank you for joining us @Mankiratsinghsehra.

[@Bptkr]

met a random guy at a KTM showroom while waiting for my test ride for the Adv390, and he mentioned this channel. Haven't missed a video since. keep it up guys 😇

[@motorinc]

That's awesome @Bptkr! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!

[@azharkn6551]

Every time you guys says how the Himalayan 450 has raised that benchmark with that great suspension and chassis, It brings me goosebumps thinking how I enjoy riding my Himalayan 450 every single day ❤ big smiles and great great content, enjoyed much😄

[@motorinc]

Couldn't agree more! ♥️

[@goe_vj]

Came for the guerrilla ..now waiting for himalayan 650

[@SUGHOSHGOWDA]

We take things for granted and It just hit me today, so i can i just say that you guys sound so incredible and crispy with those mics.. Kudos for the choice of equipment and high standards from you guys in every aspect.. And that intro music for the review, I usually rewind it back and play it again in my car for at least a couple of times.. I am in the movie industry and I really appreciate these technical aspects, thank you for bringing in this breath of fresh air and standards to the automotive journalism in India

[@abhinavmehrotra]

Watching this completely to support you guys in my little way. Also waiting patiently for the discussion on Curvv and Roxx.

[@motorinc]

We appreciate it @abhinavmehrotra. Please stay tuned!

[@411powervlogs4]

16:48 Yeah shumi i've tested the Guerrilla and Himalayan 450 for around 30kms from the dealership back to back and yes the GRR feels a little more smoother than Himalayan .RE claims it has a more sharper throttle and it does have that sharpness but it doesn't starts to jump immediately after the clutch is released and throttle is pulled , that's some nice touch i've noticed. Engine is still noisy and has a loud exhaust, but there's a little whistling or whining symphony after closing the throttle which covers all other noisy bits from engine.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing @411powervlogs4! Did you like that?

[@ranjithk9150]

16:45 - I and my friend have himalayan 450 feb manufactured bikes. Another friend recently got a Himalayan a month back. The newer one is much smoother in terms of vibration and engine sound, it’s a huge difference. There are vibrations as Shumi said, but much much smoother now. So I guess it has started to trickle down to newly manufactured Himalayans as well.

[@motorinc]

Glad to hear that @ranjithk9150, thanks for sharing!

[@raviswarankar]

Another great unbiased review of GRR 450 and I am in agreement with observations. Recently test drove GRR 450 I loved the look of it colour scheme not so much. To my surprise I felt the engine was too eager unlike other RE engines which are much calmer there is a sudden surge of power post 2000 rpm also I felt I will have to be dependent on clutch a lot when driving in traffic because the low end torque is not great I owned Scram 411 and it has much better low end torque. I expected engine to be smoother but I felt lot of buzz on the handlebar. Even the quality levels could have been better for example I saw rusting issues on the neck of the motorcycle where VIN number is etched. I also test drove Triumph Scrambler 400x and the engine was way smoother, the ride quality was much better, the power delivery very predictable and build quality is at another level and what sealed the deal for me was the presence of traction control because hey safety first !...hence booking Scrambler 400x...😊

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing @raviswarankar! Congratulations on the Scrambler. Do let us know what you think of it once you've ridden it long enough.

[@sradhasumandas]

Hey there! I recently test rode both of the RE 450s and wanted to share my thoughts: 1. The GRR is pretty fast-when you hit 3k RPM in 2nd gear, it shoots/flies till redline. It's definitely not for beginners. 2. The brakes are responsive and powerful, though the feedback could be improved. 3. There’s a bit of a disconnect between the chassis and rider when entering corners, but the bike handles corner exits quite well. 4. The suspension is on the sporty side. It handles bumps fairly well, but continuous potholes might be unsettling. It’s not as rugged as the Himalayan. 5. Good bike? Yes! Could be better? Hell yes!!! Note - the lower center of gravity and stance makes it feel bit lighter and easy to move in parkings than the Himalayan.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for sharing @sradhasumandas!