Top 5 most difficult motorcycles to handle at low speeds...

In this video, I'll show you the top 5 most difficult low speed handling motorcycles and explain why. That's not to say they can't be maneuvered with the ease of a child's toy, it's just going to take a lot more practice and the proper techniques.
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[@billg7813]

In one of his vids, Motorman spoke about a guy who had wrecked his bike. Motorman asked if he had ever taken lessons and the guy replied his 20 years of riding was all the lessons he needed. Motorman said there is a difference between 20 years of experience and one year of experience repeated 20 times. You guys disliking this video are probably in that later group

[@truthbomb3862]

I've rode bikes since I was 6 years old. This summer I got on an old Ultra Classic and somehow forgot what counter steer was at about 60 going into a sweeping left curve. Me n my passenger took a 150 slide over into the oncoming lane.

[@edbrown5665]

I've been riding for over 20 years (that hurts today because it reminds me of my ever growing age). Anyway, I am planning on taking a course just to sharpen my skills and because you're never too experienced to learn something new. Knowledge is never a bad thing

[@northerniltree]

Glad to see Sears being useful again for something.

[@kennethcooley3445]

That made me laugh

[@douglashughes2331]

I have the BMW K1600 GTL and the drop protection that I put on it allows me to drop with no damage. Also, if you are going to practice you can always click the bags off in under 30 seconds. I do not find this bike hard to maneuver as slow speeds. One of my favorite things to do on a motorcycle is the Ride Like a Pro course I set up behind the local HS. Now my boys are doing it with me too.

[@marknye51.thefixitguy]

Another great video. I'm currently riding a 1998 GL1500 SE GOLDWING. Its the biggest bike I've ever owned. Haven't crash my bike but I have dropped it at least a have dozen times. As you said, Goldwings are very difficult to ride at slow speeds. At 70 years young I'm still learning after almost 55 years of riding.

[@danielrobey1759]

I have a 98 Valkyrie and you are right about it being difficult at low speeds. Great bike otherwise tho

[@michaelmullen2991]

I now own a Gold Wing and concur with your assessment of the clutch and throttle, still practicing, Keep up the good work.

[@davidbeauchamp9663]

You are freaking awesome my friend.Thank you once again. You inspire me to practice when i see your videos. I have a 2013 Victory Cross Country 60K miles. still runs like new.

[@59alpha97]

I realy enjoy your show. Probably my favorite rider show I've seen. You're a awsome rider. Thanks for sharing.

[@motojl]

I agree completely. You just can't argue with science. Most riders will never be as good as Jerry. However, most of us rarely practice these maneuvers. I have over 500,000 miles on various motorcycles. Some are just easier to handle than others. My Indian Chieftain, at low speeds, is like dancing with a fat drunk lady. I just need to practice. Thanks again Jerry for being a huge asset to the motorcycle community.

[@Papi4l2]

Why did u choose indian over HD? Im wanting to buy my first bike and was thinking indian. I like the way the scouts look

[@kenfrengs4504]

.. sorry for the null comment earlier. Great videos Jerry!! Really good tips and exercises, please keep up the super work. Late model Indian riders may wish to go with Sport mode when in tight or slow maneuvering areas due to the MUCH quicker throttle response in Sport. Most of my riding is interstate or wide open county roads and my '20 Springfield handles well all around but found the slow speed turns were very touchy until I went with Sport mode. Found that out just getting out of my driveway with a right turn .. almost dumped it due to slow throttle response and limited handlebar turning. Just came off a stock '15 Road Glide and '08 Goldwing before that .. loved them all. All I can offer is KNOW YOUR BEAST and your riding limitations .. practice, practice, practice!

[@BigFiveJack]

I appreciate all the info that you share!

[@ericjacobson3664]

Thanks Jerry. Practice is the key.

[@tomfillmore9710]

good video and you are right on the goldwing is not rider friendly at low speed but it's a lot of my inexperience but I been watching the video and practicing l think I am a little better than last year thanks to you guys have a great weekend take care thanks

[@moconnor50]

I agree with Jerry most of the time, but this is not one of those times. I've had a BMW K 1600 GTL for about 9 months and have ridden just over 9000k on it. The bike is the easiest bike I've ever owned in making tight slow speed turns, even with my wife on the back. While it is true that the throttle is sensitive, it really doesn't matter if you have excellent control of the clutch or 'friction zone' as Jerry likes to say. I'll take My K 1600 over any HD. HD makes a good bike there's no question. But I was looking for torque, horse power, performance, and comfort. The BMW K 1600 GTL is unmatched.

[@motorman857]

''While it is true that the throttle is sensitive, it really doesn't matter if you have excellent control of the clutch or 'friction zone' as Jerry likes to say''. It seems to me you are in total agreement with my conclusions in this video. In order to get excellent control of the clutch friction zone takes practice. And obviously more practice on a motorcycle with a sensitive throttle.

[@moconnor50]

@@motorman857 Keep up the good work Jerry. I've learned a lot from your videos.

[@joeburr7537]

I disagree with him too!

[@slumgullianpass]

Got to agree, my Springfield is an anchor ready to drop. My Street glide feels like it’s on rails, very balanced. First time I experienced the Harley’s low speed balance I was awestruck. Under 5mph Harley, over 5 mph Indian. I just avoid parking lots if possible, and practice constantly.

[@beerbottlebaby]

Bought a 2016 Indian Springfield this year, never rode a Road King, but I'm going to keep it and practice your techniques. This one does a lot better than my 2001 Chief, by far.

[@motorman857]

I found the Springfield to be the easiest of the Indian models to master at low speeds while making the Ride Like a Pro on your Indian video.

[@alissarobertson8840]

My best handling bike is my 1972 FLH with drum rear brake. It has the original handlebars and Bendix carburetor and the in handlebars throttle cable. I can get is down a slow walking speed and turn it very tight. Out on the street the brakes are more of anti stop brakes than anti lock but that drum brake is great for slow speed maneuvers.

[@anthonychighizola7142]

I just want to say I've learned so much from watching your videos you and your wife and your team are just wonderful I hope Donna's recovery is going well I thoughts and prayers are with her thank you so very much for all you do

[@gregoryaitkens4793]

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[@ORflycaster]

Last week I took my good friend's 2018 Indian Roadmaster for a quick test-ride six miles out of town. I then made a U-turn at an intersection of two small county blacktop roads to head back. I'd JUST discovered your KZbin videos earlier that week and applied your principles to make a perfect (albeit very tense) turn. I don't want to do it again until it's on MY bike and I've honed my skills. It's a beautiful, comfortable bike that begs to just go on extended vacations, but it's 930 lbs. wet, and the throttle is sleepy. I ordered your best combo deal (one book and 5 DVDs) tonight and can't wait to start learning.

[@ericbrandenburg8583]

Absolutely love my Roadmaster but I will add that slow speed anything can be difficult. Especially if you're traveling with lots of gear with your wife on the back.

[@bw6078]

Excellent info. Many thanks.

[@MarshalZhukov]

I have been out on my Roadmaster, and absolutely LOVE it! Yea, already 9000 miles in the 11 months I've had it! Sadly, the only thing that holds it back is the traffic. I have also put quite a few parking lot miles on it as well, practicing my low speed riding skills doing the exercises that you show here. Listening to your thoughts and observations about the Indian models is interesting. I agree, the handlebars are wide. And I had some extended bars put on it, so my arm reach was shorter. But I find myself finding full lock doing U turns as well. With the little bit longer wheel base, it makes it interesting. I can turn 18 foot U turns with it. But I have noticed the transition turning the bars from left to right doing a figure 8s or back and forth U turns all the way down the line of empty parking spots takes a little more effort in the arms. But for being a 950 pound motorcycle, if you are using these techniques and practice in the friction zone, it's really amazing the things you can get the bike to do! I think you have inspired me to get a drone so I can film my practice sessions from above. Thanks for your invaluable information you provide on your videos for all motorcycle riders! I've never been on a similar Harley model, but I'd like to try on one some day to see the difference in how they handle and feel compared to the RM!

[@motorman857]

For sure, if you know the proper techniques and how to use them to their fullest, they will handle with ease. I had one rider come to my class with the Elite model who did a lot of practicing prior to the class. He did the best job of any Indian rider I've ever seen at my class.

[@MarshalZhukov]

@@motorman857 Awesome and glad to hear it! Wish I was closer, would love to make it to a class! Thanks again for all your knowledge and instruction for these essential techniques for slow speed motorcycle operations!

[@matthewchambers8942]

Great video and I agree the BMW is a tough one to ride at lower speeds. It's almost like the front wheel will understeer because of the top weight. But mine is a 2004 and it is my learning/practice bike. So I can scratch the hell out of it and not break my heart. My $2900 learning bike and an absolutely awesome bike to ride. Thanks for your videos, my neighbors think I am crazy because I set up my own practice course around my house and driveway. Up the Irons! \m/

[@jonmajarucon51]

Whew! I once practiced trying to pickup/right a 900 pound bike. Just too heavy for me. If I cant pick it up after it falls over I wont ride nor purchase it. Thats just me. Bravo to Jerry and this channel.

[@harryhowell5644]

First video I've seen like this. I do ride an ultra limited and it takes some time to develop parking lot skills. Thank God for the crash bars they have saved me a few times. I can only imagine the goldwing or BMW. I like how nimble the Indians feel but when I test rode the challenger it felt cumbersome trying to do a tight u turn.

[@richardparkersmith4810]

This makes me feel a lot better! I have a Honda XL1000 Varadero that is 600lbs wet and top heavy. Great and so stable at highway speeds. At slow speeds and on my long driveway with deep gravel and in traffic lines it really keeps me on my toes. I'm still not good at tight turns on it but at least it ain't a Goldwing!

[@migueljonz3901]

Glad I bought a manual 2019 Goldwing! She handles great at low speed after a quick clutch lever adjustment. Absolutely no problems here!

[@johnnybgood5384]

😂🖕🏻

[@joeburr7537]

AGREED!!

[@joeburr7537]

That's because he's only used to riding old over weight, over rated, over priced Harley's

[@rooster3019]

Well, I have not ridden all of those bikes. I own and ride the DCT Gold Wing Tour and agree with you; it is a BULL IN A CHINA SHOP when it comes to tight manuevers. My previous 2002 Wing was not particularly eacy, but child's play compared to the DCT. Some of the problem may be psychological; conscious or subconsious you know laying over is going to scrape expensive parts. I was not aware of aftermarket engine/passenger bars.

[@coyote102076]

Yet another great vid! I still watch that DVD every now and again. Love it! 😁😎

[@ledbetter80]

Here’s the list, he didn’t put them in the description… And also counts: 1, 2, 3, 5 (4 isn’t mentioned). #1 Goldwing DCT at 00:26 #2 Goldwing classic at 2:25 #3 BMW K1600 at 2:53 #5 Indian Touring MCs at 4:42 There. Saved you some time.

[@tombo6003]

Thanks man

[@carlmccoy5146]

I would agree ! 100% . Great videos!

[@aaronslack4421]

I had a 2014 Susuki C90T for one month before a young lady on the shoulder decided to pull a u turn as I was driving by anyways before the bike got wrecked I took some time to do some low speeds and I must say your comment on the Indian bars is dead on the susuki had very wide bars and to go lock to lock with them was a real struggle but I digress now I'm back on a sporty 1200 again and I must say having a 600lb bike compared to 800lb can have its benefits.

[@philrudduck1033]

Hello Sir. I'm just buying a M50 Suzuki. My first Cruiser after riding a Yam FZX750 for yrs abt 11 yrs ago. These videos are an endless source of information for me especially the Friction Riding which I cood have used 2 days ago when I Dropped the Bike on my first Test Ride in an Intersection when a car cut in front of me. Learning Process thgh I made good use of your "how to lift a bike" videos. I had watched abt 5 Different Videos the night before not thinking I wood need to use this skills so soon. Anyhow, Thank You Sir for your teaching. Sincerely phil

[@alanblasczyk1779]

I subed to your channel Jerry. You are a consumet professional and I like what I see. I have been riding for around fifty years and have owned five Ultras. I was an A.B.A.T.E. instructor and I have seen many students. I appreciate a good instructor sir ! Also as a note, I believe Indian is throttle is by wire.

[@jeffpalmer5502]

I know what you mean about those Indians, I’ve ridden each model ,the Victory that I ride has cable clutch and cable throttle. And it responds instantly. It handles identical to the Challenger. They have the same bottom end essentially. I can do very tight corners at low speeds now but it did take me a while to nail it. Another great video Jerry ,thank you !

[@Ian-W]

Great video. Would like to see more like this.

[@motorman857]

Thanks! Will do!

[@thebob6385]

I own both a 2016 Indian Chieftain and the Ride Like A Pro DVD, and I can confirm that it is very frustrating. I've dropped my bike a lot while practicing. Luckily it's all been low speed and no damage since I got aftermarket rear highway bars to protect the saddlebags.

[@gcprost]

I am happy you confirmed my feelings about the DCT. Although most of the time I like the DCT I found it challeging in low speed manouvers. I rode a Road King for 10 years and I felt pretty good about my low speed manouvers; however when I got my Africa Twin with a DCT, I felt like a rookie. Even after 13,000 km I am no where as good at low speed on the Africa Twin as I was with the Road King. Of course, this is a much taller bike with a higher center of gravity and different geometry.

[@broncosgjn]

Noticed the same thing on my DCT Integra. My BMW R120Rt will turn on a dime but that DCT (which I otherwise love) has no "creep" and that is a problem.

[@davidthelander1299]

My ‘82 GoldWing Aspencade is very easy to handle. Weight is balanced very low. My KLR 650 is half the weight, but harder to handle at slow speeds. Very tall bike with the weight up high. But I love both bikes.

[@boostedlss6450]

7:30 "full lock" here in BC Canada part of the license test was a figure 8 test, cones either side at the center, and you push the bike at full lock 180° each side where they place a cone at the outside of each turn. You get 3 shots to do 3 figure 8"s at full lock without dabbing your feet, it took me all three! (84 Nighthawk 750 SCE).

[@ananda_miaoyin]

I rode an 83 Goldwing GL1100 full dress for a long time and I approve this message. Cruised like a dream but slow speed was scary. Thank God I had bars and highway pegs. I am off to buy my first Harley soon.

[@dukebacher1216]

Bought a 1986 GoldThing (Wing) and I must admit, that it is BY FAR the clumsiest bike I have ever ridden. My previous bike was a 1980 Suzuki GS1000, and it was a absolute sweetheart to ride. How did they ever sell any of the Goldwings back then? MY GW was a non-running deal of the century. (I couldn't say no to the price) If I had tested it... someone else would own it. (I seriously thought maybe I was reeealy out of practice. Thanks for the info, and be safe!

[@kennethcooley3445]

I owned a new 2020 Gold Wing bagger DCT and had no issues because I had practiced for years your strategies.

[@joeburr7537]

that's because he's a Harley fanboy and hasn't owned a Gold Wing, only rides Harley's

[@mturinetti3095]

I have a 2021 Roadmaster that has a touchy throttle compared to the 08 Boulevard I traded. I’ve been gaining a lot of great information from these videos

[@tgwazu]

The RMs have a shorter front rake too, so if you're used to a Harley like Jerry is, it’s gonna be different, and maybe better when you get accustomed to it.

[@mturinetti3095]

@@tgwazu It’s getting easier with more practice

[@au69miner]

i seen you ride that cop cruiser on that course....props!.....

[@baylaurell]

Amazing video, big thanx

[@gregkistner1955]

Good information!!

[@ehmiller61]

Your comment about the Indian it’s dead on. I had a 2017 Indian Darkhorse and when I tried to U-turn it because the handlebars are so wide it was very difficult for me. The Harley Davidson ultra classic Electra glide That I owned I had very little difficulty you turning that bike. Your videos are awesome sir I learn a lot just from watching them.

[@twowheelingtodd4973]

Hey Jerry, now that bmw came out with a new bike, the R18b. I really think it takes the #1 spot. I never been worried on a test ride, but the low speed handling of that bike scarred me.

[@barryblack5562]

Great topic great video. Thank you🦘🦘🦘🐊🐊🐊

[@motorman857]

Glad you enjoyed it

[@tealcheif1949]

There are 3 riding modes on the 2019 and up Indian cruiser motorcycles. Touring, regular, and sport, That adjust the amount of lag in the throttle response.

[@furcifer8218]

Now THIS is great info! This is the stuff no dealer is going to tell you, and if they won't even let you test ride - as you mentioned about Yamaha - this is a big deal for a real-deal rider! I mean, if you just want garage jewelry, or run in straight lines all the time, all you need is the pretty picture on the front of the slick brochure, right? I'm not about to quit my old Springer Classic, but I've always wondered why other bikes with seemingly good riders often can't quite hang with me on low-speed maneuvers. They're heaving and pulling and awkwardly duck-walking, making their big pretty bike move with all the grace of an intoxicated moose. Bar length, adjustment and center of gravity make a big difference, too. Those short little straight T-bars are murder to turn, too. I don't understand their appeal at all. I'd go with 30" ape-hangers before I'd do that, LOL

[@mikemarthaller8789]

Thanks I had an old Goldwing driver test ride my Honda 1100C3 shadow today. He "Thought" it was wobbly on the rear end, spooked him I figured he was unrealistcly "Compairing" Sounds like I was correct. My self I " Love" my Honda. Overall I prefer it to my Soft tail or wife's Street glide

[@GK-ud8dv]

A regular Goldwing is great at low speeds. I like the last generation MUCH better than the new one. I test rode one with a clutch and it was rode nice but was not as comfortable for the passenger and had less storage area.

[@alexanderdolotovsky1101]

Therefore I ride Yamaha Midnight star 🤠 it's quite long in wheel base, but less weight and really nimble and responsive in throttle. And it fits with cable clutch, very accurate and suitable for low speed maneuvers

[@daviddelaurentis7783]

,ZZ

[@mikemcgeehan4321]

Great show.

[@dabike]

I ride a Goldwing with a DCT and have to agree. Slow turns are the only negative of the DCT I would say (for me, everyone is different). A lot of rear brake is the key. Definitely do not want to drop it. My old Africa Twin, also a DCT, was made to be dropped. Will have to investigate after market crash bars. But want to keep the look so will be interesting to see what's out there.

[@lewsellers]

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[@dabike]

@@lewsellers Thanks, Lewis. Protects the engine but not the bags. But I'll give them a closer look.

[@simonsaxton6516]

You can do this for the rear, which I have done in the UK. I put bars from Ali Express on the front and it looks ok really or you could do what this guy has done. I prefer the bars. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKuZZaxuipiGgq8

[@Tawni.6269]

When ever you get around to it Jerry no rush, with your instructional videos so far I've been able to keep the glossy finish up and the rubber on the road but scrape the floorboard for the first time i appreciate your videos motorman what the hilarious sarcasm LoL!!!

[@clarkbabin9799]

I've noticed on other bikes that as you say you get to full lock a lot quicker than on a Harley. Even scooters have a short range. Over turned onto a bridge and scraped my left boot before I scraped my bike. That's going upward at a moderate incline. My wife a scooter and I scraped it's back covering do a huey.

[@aGentleUser]

I once tried the NC with DCT, and found that being slow when you just have to operate throttle and rearbrake is easier then operating throttle rearbrake AND clutch.

[@motorman857]

I've heard that same statement from DCT riders who've come to my class. Granted, once the class started and they attempted to lean and turn, and kept running out of the exercises and falling down, they tended to have 2nd thoughts. It can be done with a DCT, but it takes many more hours of training. Anyone who bought a DCT bike because they couldn't master a clutch and throttle, will have a much more difficult time with a DCT. Honda could solve that problem by simply allowing a rider to start off in 2nd or 3rd gear, or, having and idle switch that allows the rider to bring up the idle a bit, but they choose not to.

[@mattgould4366]

I would be very curious to see how my Honda Rune compares with some of those heavier cruisers. For me, the Rune is definitely the most challenging bike I have ever been on at slow speeds. Between the weight and long wheelbase it can be a handful. I look forward to attending one of your classes one day and improving my skills more. Thank you for sharing your skills with the world.

[@motorman857]

I had a Rune. Great bike. It will take a lot of practice to get really good with that bike at low speeds. I'd rate it about the same as a Goldwing.

[@mattgould4366]

@@motorman857 Good to know. Thank you!

[@Road_Rash]

They're only difficult if you don't know what you're doing...if you started with a small bike & worked your way up to the baggers, it's a minimal adjustment, but if you're a beginner, definitely stay away from these bikes...it probably won't end well...but with any bike, it takes practice & a lot of time in the saddle to learn how to ride them...

[@user-bk8db7ud6k]

Not true - Even if you know what you are doing it is harder on some bikes than others.

[@Logan-wv8qf]

Well said. I learned on a Honda Trail 90, forty years ago. Harley Fatboy today.

[@Road_Rash]

@@user-bk8db7ud6k Never said it wasn't, just that it's much easier to adjust when you're an experienced rider...I have yet to find a bike I can't ride just as well as any other within just a few miles...and I've riden bikes of all makes & sizes...started on a 50 cc Yamaha back in the 70s & I've owned & ridden bikes of all sizes up to big baggers...and in situations & weather conditions that are much more difficult than this closed course in good weather...it's not that difficult when you know what you're doing & had years of practice & experience...

[@markcapurso4956]

We’re not worthy

[@t1171ap]

Motorman you’re a great teacher! Heads up: the 4th most difficult motorcycle is missing from the video.

[@jenniferwashington3270]

Thought I missed something!

[@gabbyhayes1568]

I currently ride a Star Venture Transcontinental that weighs in at 963 pounds wet. I'm very reluctant to incorporate or practice the techniques I've learned from the videos. The SVTC, although an extremely well balanced bike and easy to maneuver at low speeds, it touches down hard points quite easily and has nowhere near the lean angle my Street Glide had. I'm very apprehensive about dropping it doing these maneuvers.

[@motorman857]

Just make the exercises bigger until you get the hang of it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZrInJljiLmGoZY

[@joeshmoe7967]

How often do you really need to crank a tiny circle? I ride the 2006 Royal Star Venture (my second one) and approaching 100K km of riding the 2 bikes, I have never really 'had' to turn a tight circle. There have been a few times where it would be handy, but with out the practice I just make 3 point turn. I would rather never be able to handle like Jerry, than drop my bike trying. He has decades of practice and likely didn't have to concern himself with dropping the practice bikes. Fear of damaging your own bike does hold one back. How do you like the bike other wise? I love my RSV and would not trade for any other bike on earth, but I have demoed the Eluder and didn't mind it. - Cheers

[@motorman857]

@@joeshmoe7967 It's not about making a tiny circle. It IS about learning to use the most important technique, the proper use of your head and eyes. Mastering that technique will insure you will avoid the vehicle that violates your right of way, and prevent you from running off the road in a curve. If you can't make a simple u-turn or transition quickly from full lean left to full lean right, you are a crash looking for a place to happen.

[@gabbyhayes1568]

@@joeshmoe7967 You’ve pretty much summed how I’ve handle most situations as well. I like Jerry’s videos because they will make you a more competent rider. I employed the techniques with my Street Glide and improved my riding greatly even though I have 40+ years riding experience. But the new Venture is over 150 pounds heavier. I’ll get there eventually. By the way, I rode a 2005 RSV for ten years and loved the bike. Believe it or not, the new Venture is a much better handling bike at walking speeds than the RSV. The RSV is very top heavy as opposed to the SVTC that carries the weight of the motor down low. Most people are very surprised the first time they ride the SVTC. But the SVTC doesn’t have the same lean angle clearance of the RSV or the touring Harleys which makes it more precarious to practice the techniques.

[@martymac5372]

Ok now I don't feel so bad, just bought a Honda GL1800 Premium Audio, got into a couple of low speed "almost crashes" with it already. I have had it for about 2 weeks now and thought there was something wrong with me, thought I had forgotten how to ride lol. I also have a 99 Valkyrie and a 13 M109R LE. This Goldwing is by far the hardest to maneuver at slow speeds and tight turns. But it is STILL the king of road bikes.

[@MrBurlybiker]

My road glide special handles great!

[@themassivefail9062]

What are your thoughts on the Honda VTX1800R? I've been watching your videos and practice when I get off work most days, soon I'll be finding an empty parking lot and really going out on a full set up course, like the ones you set up. (if I was closer, I'd happily take one of your classes, but alas. I live in Canada. Lol.) she's big, powerful, and heavy, but seems to handle well where it counts.

[@Roadglide117]

Great video! Do you think some of the slow throttle response on the touring Indians is from the throttle by wire? I had a Springfield back about 5 years ago that had a slow throttle response. The dealer said that was a normal tendency with the throttle by wire on those models.

[@Gallow-X]

Really appreciate your advice and knowledge. Thanks for sharing. Best wishes, cheers

[@grease2542]

Just purchased a Roadmaster and the throttle issue is key to the slow speed work. It's like there's a dead spot from closed throttle to getting just a little throttle response. I come from Harley and throttle control on my old pig was just better. Still learning smooth throttle usage.

[@billmoffitt7411]

Perhaps a video on where the different HD models rank?

[@rgh622]

The Harley Davidson motorcycles are the best, period. No kid ever grows up wishing for an Indian or a Goldwing.

[@itisaporsche]

Obvious the larger baggers...but my CVO Breakout is no clam bake when it comes to low speed turns. I practice a lot I p-lots

[@corkyakins9075]

@@rgh622 Most likely true, but once that kid hits 50 the Goldwing is the best.

[@timur4467]

@@corhendriks1755 Died in 2003 with Timken bearings.

[@pauliemurphy4787]

@@rgh622 Whole lot of assumption there... I would suspect that no kid wants either three of your examples, as they would all be seen as rides for geriatrics. Also HD is not the best, period. Takes next to no research to see they pale compared to most all other manufacturers world wide. Something may be your favorite said something, but that hardly makes it the best something, now does it?

[@GUMP1987]

Finally I'm not the only one who thinks the 2018+ Goldwing DCT Tour is a very difficult motorcycle to handle at slow speed maneuvering. I own one and I have to say that it's 100 percent correct. I still have a hell of a time turning my Goldwing within the width of two parking spaces, forgot doing a figure 8 in them... But aside from the slow speed maneuvering I absolutely love my Goldwing.

[@BrandonWest87]

Modulate your rear brake and throttle better. You can do it.

[@abbashamideh3783]

Very interesting!

[@icebrakernh]

I own a 2018 roadmaster then a tune to take out the lag throttle response. With practice on the roadmaster I was able to do these exercises with no problem and with confidence. Preload of the rear shock helped with ride height lean angle and the front rake. The inch or 2 you get out of the rear shock helps . Yes I know it's cheating but hey it's stock lol.

[@bikerbrinrac]

Great vid Jerry 👍 I would also prefer the Harley Glide for those tight turns than the Goldwing DCT or Indian Challenger.

[@fadingbeleifs]

I picked up an 83 GL1100 as my first bike last year... I'm a new rider, but I'm 6 foot 3 tall... 230 lbs... its honestly easy for me to manage, I'm still practicing my low speed maneuvering, and learning what is and isn't best for me...But the bike is very comfortable and easy to ride, easy to predict, even on the interstate during rough conditions... I rode from Big Sandy, TN to Chillicothe, Ohio back on April 14th, and then from Chillicothe to Columbus, and then over to Fort Dodge, Iowa... total mileage with the trips and all my running around ended up being 2100 miles... I thought I was gonna die when I had to pass several small, cabover box trucks that were going too slow, what with a 20-30 mph wind out of the NW on I-74 in Illinois... I'm still shocked at how the bike handled that!!

[@edheinz320]

You didn't include the Boss Hog with the V8 engine. I would think that would be number one!!!

[@mrspeigle1]

I would agree, but in fairness you don't get on a boss hog thinking about Making precise sharp turns.

[@robertparisi8016]

I agree with practice, but if u dont continue it u get rusty, driving a f6b, I've learned not to get in that situation, slow speeds, tight maneuvers, uphill stops, with low shoulders , I keep my radar on in my head, 50 years of riding and never tipped over a bike! I agree highly with what you are teaching, but on the same note , avoidance is also a great tool !!

[@billmcclary4292]

I own a 6 speed 2018 Goldwing Tour and am not offended by the comment Jerry -- you are likely right, requires continuous practice / awareness to stay safe out there!...

[@MrCygnusx72]

I wonder where you rank the Victory Vision?? I love my bike and its a beast. Incredibly long. But it handles incredibly well. I'm still working on my 18 foots as I havent practiced enough but I am very close to it. Just gotta spend me some more time on the parking lot and actually bring a measuring tape to ensure its accuracy. I do enjoy your videos and try to put it into practice and appreciate what you do Jerry!! Thanks!!

[@motorman857]

The Vision is very good for it's size. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKCnfYt-bbWEhJY

[@donaldtravis6926]

The victory big tour bike had a wide plate guard in middle of it that wouldn’t let it fall very far down. Never owned one but saw some police unit liked it over Harley then victory went out of business . They only had that guard on the big tour bike can’t remember what name of that motorcycle was had the ugly tour case on it.

[@dougsmith3664]

While you are correct concerning the tip over protection on the new wings and BMW's, but I couldn't disagree more on handling. I found it very easy to bring the dct bikes to a standstill, throttle control and brake is all you need to learn. I own 5 bikes and though they can turn tight, my HD is by far the most difficult bike to ride. They come off the assembly line wanting to fall down. Try holding one up in a full lock or near full lock turn with one hand, it's a workout. Now try holding one of the other bikes up you described doing the same, you can do it with two fingers on the bars. Those big bikes may not be rodeo bikes, but they are dang sure easier to ride than a Harley plus a whole lot more comfortable to ride.

[@kimbaweeabney1948]

Thank you for sharing. I've completed his advanced course and it's really not a breeze unless you and the bike are one after many hours of riding. His course is very good and everyone was looking who was going to drop that new pretty HD next. Cool guys, no riding experience

[@KN-vh5xp]

Love it

[@pbuehner]

I would add the Suzuki M109 boulevard. Huge back tire, long reach bars and feet forward...tough combos.

[@nateand3]

Awesome video man. I know the gold wing had to be the worst at slow speeds. No clutch and very long

[@motorman857]

True, but with technique and practice the Wing becomes very nimble. As seen here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXLcp62Fj7alhKM

[@georgem4309]

Any bike the size of a Gold Wing is going to be somewhat difficult at low speeds. That's why you don't have cars the size of 35 year old Lincolns and Caddys running in Nascar ! What the Gold Wing lacks in low speed handling it makes up 20 times over in comfort, reliability, speed and smoothness. The best move I made on 2 wheels when I dumped my Electra Glide and bought a Gold Wing. No comparison whatsoever.

[@NoWay-xu1ie]

I have a 2019 GW 6 speed and it's very easy to ride at slow speed. And a new 2021 Africa twin DCT. The DCT takes some practice but a little use of the rear brake and it's pretty easy to control. Of all touring motorcycles I've owned my 2002 kawasaki voyager was the easiest to ride at slow speeds.

[@charleetho]

I've owned both the previous generation wing and a 2018 6 speed manual. The new bike is WAY EASIER to ride at low speeds. 90lbs lighter and it has a smoother throttle. I test rode a DCT and it was very disconcerting not having a clutch to modulate the friction zone. One reason I choose the manual. That being said I rode my BMW R1200GS in cone competitions.

[@galehess6676]

ah hah ha ! I am just figuring out some of that clutch / idle benefit to slow speed stuff and I can't imagine DCT, especially on an ADV lol May go to F800 after I get tired of this VStrom XT 650. Need a touch more power sometimes.

[@piekielrl]

Jerry, What about a Boss Hoss? (Thanks, Love your videos!)

[@motorman857]

I rode one of those years ago and found it to be a big clumsy ill handling motorcycle that was only good for going straight.

[@leesg3]

I love my BH. Unfortunately it's slammed low. I drag pipes on exit ramps...it will do burnouts at 70mph. So there's that!!!

[@ryancrawford7318]

Watch your videos all the time. Been practicing with them on the warme days and really enjoy them. Although with this video I was surprised how excessively anti Indian motorcycle you are. But I understand you are a die hard Harley man. I'll still keep watching

[@motorman857]

Anti Indian? Pointing out that Indian motocycles are more difficult to handle at low speeds isn't anti Indian. It's my responsibility to my viewers to inform them. Not to give them false information to make them feel better. If you have some evidence that Indian touring motorcycles are easy to learn the proper techniques on, please present it here. If you have evidence that Indian touring motorcycles are as nimble and easy to maneuver as H.D. touring motorcycles, I'm all ears and eyes. Simply send me a video of any Indian touring motorcycle performing a figure 8 within 18x 36 ft. 2 parking spaces wide by 2 parking spaces long. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3yTnZ6ifcihjac I'll be sure to post that video.

[@2004sadmanco]

Blows my mind that Polaris made the Victory brand, and somehow Indian is related. My stock X1 handles amazing

[@gregoryjohnson4319]

I agree. I have a Victory Vision, and it's so nimble and responsive. It's a Big Bike that handles like a Dream...

[@donpet8258]

Owned gold wings. Totally agree !! Owned a k1600 GTL. Totally agree.! Clutch brake and throttle are lilt 3 light switches that all have to be flipped at same time. Sold it first year .. Indian, your dead on ! Every time I ride one makes me think how Harley’s 100 yrs of buiding MC compared to Indians 8 yrs. Really shows in the details ! !

[@hornet224]

I do great at the parking lot practicing, but not so well when I'm on the road itself. i.e.: Gravel, sand, coarse paving, soft shoulders, reverse crowns, and traffic,

[@danielbelleli7071]

Your videos are excellent, I already bought one of the DVDs, I wanted to ask what you think of the Kawasaki Vulcan Voyager 1800? thanks

[@V742]

I didn't get to take it for a ride, but I tried sitting on a Tiger 1200 with panniers and a top box. That felt incredibly top heavy and I'm used to Adventure bikes

[@MCTeck]

My tiger 800 is top heavy but not as bad as the explorer that's why my friend sold his after he dropped it at walking speed

[@V742]

@@MCTeck I thought most shaft drive bikes would feel grounded like the Super Tenere or Crosstourer. Really have to wonder what some of them are missing

[@magnusboiardt6435]

Regards the k1600, you can somewhat compensate throttle response by being in rain mode and absolutely avoid dynamic for slow speed maneuvers.

[@motorman857]

Yes I've tried rain mode on both the BMW and the Wing. The throttle is still very sensitive and will require much more practice than a Harley.

[@magnusboiardt6435]

@@motorman857 Ok, and I do agree it's sensitive. And as I'm coming from CBR 1100 to the K1600 I need to adapt to both sitting more straight as well as totally different characteristics. Not totally there yet but well on my way 😉

[@laryangel4082]

Thanks

[@301joey1]

Im riding a 2008 Honda VTX 1800T (Touring Bike).. Im useing all your techniques I can and its made a huge improvmet for me as a returning rider after close to 40 years...My issue is the intergrated braking, when engaging the rear brake it also engages one of the front brake claibers as well, That scares me from useing my rear brake turning, do you have any experience or advice on the subject, Thanks Joey.

[@richardrodriguez2120]

My 18 Chieftain handles just fine thank you

[@motorman857]

Who said it didn't? kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnbHiXuCnqpmrJY

[@allenperry9481]

I have a Kawasaki VN2000 which is very difficult at slow speed and top heavy to boot. At 71 years of age it is getting a little more difficult but still manageable because I have had it for 18 yrs. I got used to it.

[@robclarke7602]

Glad I bought a Road King!

[@jameswilkinson1283]

Long live the king!

[@usmcvet0313]

Love mine too

[@nateand3]

Road Kings are damn good so are electra glides. I had a r.k. and my brother in law has an electra glide I've put a couple hundred miles on. I love my Street Glide too tho

[@martincvitkovich724]

Road King rules

[@I05tream]

Sport Mode on newer Indian fixes the throttle issue quite a bit, and a tuner can help as well. I do agree the HDs are easier to handle. I ride both, and they both have a lot of great things about them, but it really seems that Indian focused on suspension and ride comfort over absolute handling. The Indian certainly handles well enough for general riding and such once you spend time with it. I can U turn when I need to.

[@motorman857]

I agree.

[@daveberg3911]

I attended a similar day class this year that was put on by the local police department. I won't claim I have as much experience as some of the riders who attended the class, but I do have years of riding experience. My Kawasaki Nomad 1600 was a handful during the class. I did a quick search and it had a longer wheelbase than the Gold Wings, Roadmasters, or Ultra Glides that were in the class and I had to "chicken wing" my knees to turn to full lock to prevent interference with the handlebar. If it was more of a current model, I wouldn't have been surprised to see it in this list.

[@johnshields9110]

I returned to riding after a 20 year layoff purchasing a HD Dyna Wide Glide. I road around an open parking lot, took a few turns and took off. Sometime later inner city traffic almost caused me to drop it. The HD really to glide along at low speed, but you'd better be prepared to have somewhere to go with it and make a good balanced STOP. Mine has a verh high grouch height, which I wanted, but with the 1.5 liter engine, too much angle and it drop like stone.