1998 Mustang Cobra Vs Camaro Z28 SS | Retro Review

Mustang and Camaro will always be rivals. Can't we just all drive Trans Ams?

[@Motorweek]

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[@elr2141979]

Wow I can't believe how much car you could get for the money back in 1998

[@YZ-YZ-]

elr2141979 Everything is cheap when you don't account for inflation.

[@VicsAdventures]

Back then we cared more about power and less luxury now a days it's just too much shit they're adding

[@darielconcepcion3950]

elr2141979 inflation inflation inflation inflation and inflation

[@coopsnz1]

regulations and taxes cause inflation , business costs were far better 90s

[@highrpmproductions]

I had the exact cobra in the video and sticker price was $28,000. So theyre numbers are a bit off. 🙄

[@StreetDrivenDaily]

It's whatever, I remember in late 90s, I used to own 96 cobra, friend of mine had SS and another one WS6 - IT was cool, no hate, no pissing on anything, great cars, we had tons of fun...

[@stillsearching1284]

Such cool cars all around. Did you know anyone who had any Japanese sports cars like the 300ZX Turbo or Supra?

[@StreetDrivenDaily]

@@stillsearching1284 yep, friend of mine had 300ZX TT - I also had 2 DSM's 95 Eclipse GSX manual of course. late 90s had bunch of cool cars, let's not forget RX-7 or 3000GT

[@96impalaboi37]

Did y'all ever race them against each other for fun? If so, what was the outcome?

[@donzib6643]

I owned a ‘98 Z-28 (non SS) with just bolt ons and a 6spd. Best import race was a Eclipse GST and I won by a long shot. No disrespect to the eclipse either. I loved those cars. Also, regularly raced a 98 Cobra owned by a “rival” many times and won every time. Car full or empty

[@gozinta82]

Same here, but we had mostly late 80's/early 90's cars. I had a v8 Firebird, friend had a v8 Camaro, and this guy and his brother both owned mustangs, one a cobra and the other a GT. Fun to cruise around back when traffic wasn't so bad lol

[@DrBeauHightower]

The price of cars has inflates so much it's crazy

[@ivanjimenez8868]

The value of the dollar is what’s depreciated. You can thank the federal reserve banking cartel and the government criminal cartel for printing dollars like it’s writing paper.

[@WSNO]

*inflates ur economy big and round* uwu

[@WSNO]

@@ivanjimenez8868 its more like the money being printed being hoarded by the likes of the jeff bezoses and elon musks, billionaire human scum with no use for their scrooge mcduck vaults of money. Can't even dive into it since its all 1's and 0's in off-shore bank accounts. Having their obscene wealth stripped, even just down to many-millions of dollars and able to live comfortably in the lifestyles they already have and giving that money to everybody in the country evenly would inject a major boost to the larger economy without devaluing the dollar, AND infinitely improving the lives of the average joes and janes of these united states.

[@ytsux9259]

@@ivanjimenez8868 It's like that around the world, dmbo.

[@ivanjimenez8868]

@@ytsux9259 it sure is unfortunately.

[@trevagraham1605]

2 rides that are still bad ass and I'm still too broke to afford

[@The_R-n-I_Guy]

Me too

[@ttuggle31]

No your not just save better cut some costs and habits

[@johnbutler2780]

Me tooooo

[@dougcoleburn1579]

First thing I did to my 97 Cobra - lowering springs and frame connectors. Much better handling.

[@midnight347]

Much better looks too lowering is a must they look like a 4x4 stock all mustangs then did.

[@Johnny96ri]

Unfortunately, it was still the 20-year-old Fox-platform underneath.

[@kodahmorgan9636]

@@midnight347 not like riding on clouds

[@clintonwatkins3718]

Love these. I was very heavily into the Mustang scene in the late 90's. Brings back a lot of good memories.

[@BlackAbe007]

Back in the day, someone i knew someone that had a brand new 1990, white mustang GT with a five speed. I was 17 and about five years younger than him. Believe or not, he threw the keys to me three times! He let me drive it By myself. I still can’t believe it. Anyway, those were some good cars and some good times!

[@fernandorocha8459]

I love this Camaro Z28 SS 1998, is my favorite

[@cedricmiller4370]

@@fernandorocha8459 yea I rather have a 1998 Camaro SS instead of the newer generations

[@DrBeef216]

​@@cedricmiller4370 No you wouldn't lol. My cousin owned a 2001 SS, and they were pure junk from a quality perspective. Cheap speed. The Mustang may not have been quite as fast in a straight line, but it was overall a much higher quality vehicle.

[@cedricmiller4370]

@@DrBeef216 No im serious I would rather have the 2001 Camaro SS instead of the new Camaro because of the unique demeanor like don't get me wrong of course the new Camaro is faster more horsepower and everything but it's like the extra horsepower is the only thing that it offers more of than the old Camaro it doesn't even have the T-Tops like the old Z28 had or the ram air hood scoops little stuff like that stood out on the old Camaro personality. But you say your cousin had bad experience with his 2001 Camaro I'm shocked because I've always heard the LS motor was reliable but I agree with you on mustang being well built they last a long time I used to like the 1997 mustang GT stick shifts

[@RLC2020]

Its amazing how different car reviews are today. This is so serious compared to what motortrend does now

[@mediocreman2]

This isn't today versus yesterday necessarily. This is Motorweek vs Motor Trend. Motorweek has always been geared towards the more educated and intelligent crowd.

[@nunyabusiness896]

@@mediocreman2 I wouldn't say it's anything to do with being intelligent or educated at all. Motortrend today is trying to somewhat match Top Gear's "lore" approach to car reviews whereas Motorweek was trying to be like a video brochure of the car with a little bit of subjective opinion for things they really like or didn't like about a car. Looking back, it almost didn't make sense as it was shown arbitrarily on broadcast TV and the odds of a casual car buyer seeing an episode featuring the car they were thinking about was very unlikely. It was really only beneficial to people too young to drive but just wanted to dream about what car they might get (that's who I was) or for car salesmen to do research on the competition. Compare that to today where they would've been a great resource to quickly compare competing cars to make a buying decision, but now there's a zillion youtubers effectively making the same kind of videos, but perhaps not with the same level of consistency and fact listing.

[@BRAINFxck10]

⁠@@nunyabusiness896no your argument makes no sense you just said Motorweek is more like a brochure that means it’s more educational, Motortrend is more entertainment

[@matthewhartup941]

Im a Ford guy but the 5.7 liter ls Camaro ss was definitely faster than a 4.6 dohc cobra in 98

[@jeepjoseph9036]

Isnt it actually the 5.7 lt1?

[@knucklehead0202]

Driver's game really. Smoke a later ws6 trans-am in my brother's shitbox '98 mustang gt with mufflers and a k&n. "Testing" vs. real-world are very different things. And camaros have been garbage since the early 70s. Sales testify to that.

[@scdevon]

I'm a Ford guy too, but I bet I could beat it with that Chevy if I had a few practice launches. I'd give the Chevy a good honest shot if I were driving it, too.

[@yjjeeper1]

@@knucklehead0202 lol, no you didn't. No need to lie to like a car. I've raced (being the driver) a 98gt, 99 cobra and a saleen. Also a 12 point ticket from a 98SS, and also raced a ws6 and the 98gt with intake and an X pipe was by far the slowest. In the real world, the SS beats the cobra by a little (yes we lined them up). Hell man, I absolutely embarrassed that 98gt with my wife's bmw540i, I could barely find the headlights in my mirror by 100 lol. Shamefully slow, I wouldn't race a Honda in one.

[@aidenbolte8354]

ah an educated person that just respects a good car

[@ProperGander762]

Camaro "Has Great off the line punch".......... 1:36 "fights to hook up?" Maybe because the driver doesn't know how to launch that car?

[@mentortairi5090]

xTheHampster exactly. spinning all of 1st gear smh piss poor driving. perfect launch tbat mustang would have saw taillights the entire race

[@thomashalley7258]

Never mind the fact that the cobra has the fancy twin cam Ive only seen one in person while everything else has the single cam.

[@ztwntyn8]

Rico Robertson on the highway from 70-110 ish my LT1 M6 moved on this year cobra all I had was 160 t-stat and hypertech program

[@nsarboc]

ahh camaro fans, yall are so fun

[@whitebread652]

This i hate when car "pro's" pull that shit. Like learn to fucking drive before reviewing cars. Top gear would do the same shit. Pit the vettes against slower more expensive euro cars, smoke first, and lose. BS

[@boostedmaniac]

And here we are again in 2019, where GM is thinking of cancelling the Camaro once again.

[@crankinbass5758]

Except for this time they should. I’m a Chevy guy but will admit I would never buy the current gem Camaro. It’s so ugly. The mustang is just better. However the zl1 is still badass, cause it has the old gen front end

[@ijl1i]

They should cancel it, the Camaro has lost its way. I had a 98 Z28 but I wouldn't even consider getting a new Camaro. They're ugly, heavy, expensive, and slower than mustangs. No selling points any more

[@Hamburgler6.9]

Please do...what a douchebag disaster. The Camaro was always my favorite car, and in 2004 when I first saw the relaunch design...omg..I was gonna be the first to own an SS. Life got in the way, and thank God...what a shit show this car has turned out to be...cancel it forever; it's disrespectful to its own heritage at this point.

[@marvinheemeyer6660]

If the Camaro goes away, trailer parks dwellers nation wide will devastated...🙄

[@nthgth]

I just want them to fix it. Make it look good and allow good sightlines from inside. Keep the V-8 and manual transmission. That's all I ask. It's not that much heavier than an LS1 Camaro. But yeah, my next Camaro is 95% likely a late 4th gen.

[@chmstx7251]

Always loved the front bumper on a cobra

[@HalferLandPerformance]

Literally this was the first car article I read as a kid and got me into cars. Caught my attention and haven’t looked back!

[@zaccivy2061]

When I was 18 I wanted either of these cars so bad, but was in no place to afford one. No that I'm a little older and have a little more money, I have a nice reliable truck, but every time I see one of these on the road I get a little nostalgic. Both of those cars had so much HP for that time, crazy to think my wife's Pilot has 285. Also crazy to think about the evolution of both Ford and Chevy motors; the incredibly reliable old-school push rod LS and the very technically advanced DOCH Coyote. Still so awesome.

[@midnight347]

Just because that pilot has 285 hp don't mean it's anywhere near as fast as these. Don't mistake similar hp for similar performance. People make this mistake often when comparing cars from yesterday with more modern usually much more heavy newer stuff.

[@ddwalker3744]

That pilot would never keep up but I see what u mean w the horsepower, today's mustang gts are at almost 500HP now, thats just insane

[@Jason-vx4eo]

I believe a true “car guy” wouldn’t dislike any sports/muscle car with a V8. Just my opinion..

[@trillrifaxegrindor4411]

your opinion is like an asshole,we all have one but we really don't want to see or hear it.

[@cooliodiablo6117]

Not really, sohc 2 valves can suck a nut.

[@2Str0k3]

As much as i do love the power output of an American V8, you cannot compare it to a Japanese inline 4. V8 is is for hobby. Just doomsday machines. They sound nice as hell when they happen to work. And that always requires an engine rebuild. Bent push rods, worn cam, timing chain, etc. And then drive the toyota corolla to go get the parts.

[@darrenrussell3695]

@@2Str0k3 no

[@goodnoodle4337]

@@2Str0k3 Spoken like a true ricer lol

[@jonathankeith524]

Mustang Vs. Camaro is the best rivalry in car history. I’m a die-hard Mustang guy, but I love the Camaro because it brings competition to the Mustang, and the competition makes each of them better. They both have strong personalities, strong engines, and strong history.

[@secretsquirrel8010]

Sad to see the prices of cars today. No one ever thought there would be a $100,000 Corvette in 2020.

[@neilwattoo]

You get 3x the car tho. You can still get a Camaro and Mustang for under 30k now. And those cars have almost the same power, better interior, suspension, and safety features than these.

[@CamaroAmx]

When the camaro and Mustang came out in the 60s, no one thought that either one of them would cost $40,000 someday. $40k back then could buy both of the most expensive mustangs and camaros and still have enough money for a house or 2, plus enough to live off of for a year.

[@dougcoleburn1579]

And cobra motor was beautiful when opening the hood.

[@WifeBTR123]

I absolutely love this generation Camaro. Soooooooo much fun to drive, stick of course.

[@williamwalker8336]

I remember growing up our neighbor's son getting a Mustang Cobra when they were new right before 2000. It remember it being somewhat loud, and he was always working under the hood.

[@suavehouse5150]

Waiting on the stang to spin out and take out a few on lookers lol 😂

[@dannykiskaden4006]

Lol

[@deanbudgell6220]

Hahaha as a mustang owner I’ve never killed any onlookers......yet

[@knucklehead0202]

It's a numbers game really. Camaros have done it too, they just didn't sell enough for the percentages to match up...

[@bnashiningstar7633]

I am a proud owner of a 1997 Mustang Cobra!

[@edi1mex]

Me too 97 black convitable with the rare cloth tan interior

[@theclassicsproductions6140]

I have a toyota corolla

[@joelon3057]

98 Cobra here with a Vortech and built engine 💪

[@edi1mex]

@@joelon3057 nice! Mine is on just on spray and has a t56 with gears 1st gear gets me to 60 but dont spray much

[@FL50ssp]

@@edi1mex Don't forget to pray before you spray with a stock frod engine.

[@IgoByaGo]

I still prefer that 1998 SVT Cobra. I love that car so much. I also think the SS is a bad ass car. I would still take a WS6 Trans-Am over either (6-speed manual). They still look mean, especially in black.

[@roninkraut6873]

Bignose Peterstien Coengoldshekelbergschnozz Which leaves you 10 inches short. Don’t worry, my nephew has a small penis too

[@sledgehammer8542]

@Bignose Peterstien Coengoldshekelbergschnozz why would you say something so stupid? What's wrong with you?

[@sledgehammer8542]

@Bignose Peterstien Coengoldshekelbergschnozz I did deal with it. I pointed out how stupid and juvenile it was.

[@1911indi]

no way can the camaro lose if launched properly ! but i love these reviews from beautiful days with real cars gone

[@brentback983]

Totally agree. No hate, I love love both cars and still do. However, that was a pretty bad launch for the Camaro.

[@ztwntyn8]

@@brentback983it was by design to make the mustang look equal.. real world they aren’t close. I’d be paused if I’d bought a cobra under these presences and get my ass kicked all the time by the new camaro Z28 not just the SS lol

[@midnight347]

​@@ztwntyn8the camaro trapped 2 mph more dumbass. That's pretty close. Tell me you don't know shit without actually telling me. These cobras smoked the lt1 and were barely behind the ls1 with 1.1 liters less displacement. These cobra motors be been into the 5s in the quarter at 256 with stock block, stock crank and stock style ported heads. Ain't no ls anything ever done that with that many stock parts with anywhere near 4.6 liters of displacement. Anything ls running that fast is prob over 400 cubes and running fully aftermarket everything including the block. But by all means keep on spreading your fantasy bs where these ls1 actually fucking matter lol

[@midnight347]

​@@ztwntyn8I had a 97 cobra back in the day I used to spank lt1 z28s on the regular. I could run right with ls1 cars too. Stop acting like they're words apart on performance when they clearly aren't. 2 mph isn't that much in the quarter it's a slight edge but far from the dominant win you guys are acting like the camaro should have.

[@elev8torguy130]

Great video. I've driven both cars and owned 3 ls1 camaro's. The ls1 camaro ran low to mid 13's all day long. I got 13.3 with cat back aftermarket exhaust from my 1998 coupe.

[@midnight347]

These cobras could run mid 13 too.

[@elev8torguy130]

@midnight347 they were typically from my experience a touch slower then the z28 and ss camaros. 13.7 was about the best cobra I recall running in stock form. Then we all know what for did in 03 with the cobra😳

[@tonychavez2083]

One of the best Fomoco motors of all time, started life in the 93’ Lincoln Mark VIII

[@scdevon]

The heads on that Ford engine are fantastic. Maybe the best mass produced mid displacement American street heads ever.

[@midnight347]

@@scdevon the 90s cobras are criminally underrated for making big power. Upgraded rods and pistons you can make a reliable 800 rwhp with a turbo of course and it can be done with stock heads with enough boost they're pretty good heads with boost.

[@midnight347]

Agree. It a the coyotes grandfather lol

[@jimg4644]

It's just amazing how much personality John acquired over the years. His debut was very sleepy.

[@hmackprotection1]

Skip the SS, & just buy the much better looking, & Cooler 98-02 WS6 T/A

[@hmackprotection1]

Joe Black, lol..of the gen4’s the WS6 is, was, & always will be Cooler than the camaro

[@seantaylor2683]

Hahaha the WS6 is the Nigel Thornberry of cars

[@ekoopasetapart3933]

Ws6 would whip on them both, lol I have a 01 ws6... fast

[@UvidCo]

@Joe Blackner actually it did run "cooler" had better air inlets.

[@WinkelManBearPig]

The WS6 cars are also much more expensive than an SS. I'd buy the SS and work from there with the 10 grand I saved.

[@jonmcclane7433]

I didn't like the body style of the Z28 at the time, but now after seeing a million Camaros on the Road all with the same current look, it makes me really want this 98LS1.

[@kimcokevin]

I have my eyes open for a 96-98 Cobra in good shape, they are still a great looking car. It would look nice next to my 90 5.0 notch.

[@dagoat5064]

You selling that fox?

[@kimcokevin]

@@dagoat5064 You can fight my boys for it when I die, haha.

[@Ka_Gg]

Dude driving the camaro was spinning his tires the first 1/8th and still almost won. lol

[@slowstang88]

Losing by a 10th is not almost winning

[@Ka_Gg]

@@slowstang88 with factory street cars, a 10th is almost nothing. Also, when you spun the tires for quite a long time when they other guy had traction and only lost by a 10th. Pretty much means you would have won if you hooked up from the start.

[@slowstang88]

@@Ka_Gg Thanks Captain Obvious. Do you work for the Department of Redundancy Department?

[@Ka_Gg]

@@slowstang88 Well the first time didn't get through your head. Re-watch the video. They say had the 60mph mark, the mustang was there at 5.4s and camaro was at 5.7s. (due to spinning tires). The camaro then closes the gap to .1 second and has a higher mph speed than the mustang. Zero to sixty website shows that camaro's 0-60 at 5.1 seconds. So yeah, had the camaro hooked up, it would have won. If you watch any of these older motorweeks, when they have rivals, they make sure it seems even and would rarely show one rival beating the crap out of another.

[@ryanjamieson8779]

@@Ka_Gg "it would have" I love what if scenarios and bench racing, it's fun.

[@chrisrelken5382]

That Camaro needs a different driver in the drag racing

[@cheldosarmiento2733]

Would still lose

[@chrisrelken5382]

@@cheldosarmiento2733 Ok Cheldo

[@robertrobinson5861]

@@cheldosarmiento2733 Yeah fucking right I am so sure. If they had someone that could get the Camaro out of then hole the Camaro would smoke that supped escort.

[@clifford_2zero7]

@@cheldosarmiento2733 it's been proven for over 20 years now bro! The Camaro wins every time and if your a car guy you should know this!

[@cheldosarmiento2733]

Would still lose

[@neuideas]

I like the Camaro's steering wheel. It actually allows you to hold it at 9 and 3 without the wheel spokes getting in the way.

[@TheKoppenhaffer]

I like the interiors of the cars a lot. I prefer the mustang, it's a little more quality and the dash doesn't fall apart. Less rattle and road noise.

[@michaelvargas8656]

facts

[@chandlerwhite8302]

The Chevy Camaro: Mustang’s punching boy since birth.

[@BuzzLOLOL]

As usual, Mustang punch is weak and misses...

[@chandlerwhite8302]

BuzzLOLOL And the Camaro is about to go extinct yet again, loll...Pathetic junk!!! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@BuzzLOLOL]

@@chandlerwhite8302 - Mustang became a Pinto in 1974 and a Mazda in 1979...

[@buffaloaf8205]

@@chandlerwhite8302 the grease you expell is embarrassing even to mustang owners.

[@chandlerwhite8302]

Tristen Eapen And Camaros, for the most part, still suck. Deal with it.

[@BigBoss1292]

I miss the SN95 Mustangs, especially the earlier iteration of them...I feel like the current 6th gen Mustang is a continuation of this design and styling, whereas the 5th gen was a perfect throwback to the classic styling of the Mustangs of old that revived the muscle car market.

[@user-pf6wl4hv5j]

What?

[@midnight347]

I felt the s550 was like a modern sn95 when they first came out and I still feel like that today. I prefer 15-17 it reminds me most of the sn95s.

[@geraldscott4302]

The 5th gen Mustangs are by far the best looking Mustang since 1973. They totally ruined it in 2015. The 6th gen is not as hideously ugly as the Foxbody, but nowhere near as good looking as the 5th gen. But car manufacturers tend to do that. They don't seem to know what they had. The 5th gen Camaro was a nice looking car. The 6th gen was a nightmare.

[@kingrandor3129]

Chevy was making track cars even back then amazing something tells me the guy in the Camaro didn't know what he was doing

[@daleostrom3613]

Or.... Maybe the guy in the Mustang didn't know what he was doing.

[@Tusuperbis]

@@daleostrom3613 the guy in the mustang didn't do a burnout in a drag race though! I think they did some things on.purpose to try to help the mustang tie the comparison!

[@ImmortanDan]

There's a MotowWeek review somewhere around here that shows a 3rd-gen Camaro (idk if 4bbl or TPI) outracing a whole-ass USDM 928 with far more power. Chevy probably made the right move switching to the Australian multilink in the end, but the 3rd and 4th gen Camaros show that they were likewise masters of the live axle setup

[@J.Wick.]

SS. SS. SS. I was 15 when these came out. No way I'd ever get them as a first car lol...But I sure did gawk at them in the magazines of the day. I was more into the Ford then, but the Camaro usually always came out on top in comparos. Today, I'd go with the SS. There's not a wrong choice here. About 2001, I got a 95 Prelude SE, and that car stickered for the same or more than these cars lol. Prelude was fantastic. Well built, I still own one to this day even, a 94 with 265k going strong. But the amount of performance from these domestic bruisers for the money was insane!! Cheers!

[@bikes7777]

I had a 98 Mustang GT a few years ago, same color. It was a lot of fun!

[@Acc0rd79]

I'm getting old, that was the year I graduated High School! LOL I forgot how cheap those cars were back then, for some reason I thought they were already in the 30's.

[@CamaroAmx]

Acc0rd79 with dealer mark up, they probably were north of 30k

[@cadsux]

Yeah. They're affordable even if you count for inflation. $25k in 1998 is around $36k today. The 2017 ZL1s and GT350s are double that price.

[@CamaroAmx]

cadsux you can a new v8 Camaro or mustang for around 32-36 today

[@cadsux]

Yes, I know. I own a 2015 Mustang GT Premium. You can get better performance than that '98 Z28 and Cobra at today's prices, but for that super status badging, you pay double now.

[@CamaroAmx]

It sucks that even back then the top dog Camaro or mustang was still relatively affordable. Now you better be making damn good money to afford one.

[@imfraeglasgow]

I remember watching this on cable at my buddy Tony’s house lol.

[@bwxmoto]

MotorWeek Retro reviews RULE

[@BornToBeFamed]

Both are good dailys both are still clean as hell to this day

[@landyachtfan79]

"Oh, Lord, won't you buy me a Z28? My friends all drive Trans Ams........."

[@doZerBoy]

These were fun years for these cars. I had a 97 30th Anniversary Z28 and all my boys had Stangs. A 98 GT hard top, a 96 GT drop top and an 89 GT that could smoke us all in a quarter mile (it had some work done) but nobody could hang wit the Z when we went for top end on the highway. Those were some good times. F**k I miss those days.

[@_baller]

Looking back....those were pretty nice cars

[@d9103365]

Back in 1998 I bought an SS Camaro exactly like this one. I traded in my 95 Mustang GT for it. It was so innovative with that LS1 engine - I disliked the mustangs 4.6, and the new cobra body style was much more subdued than previous years. 320HP sounded huge back then - the Corvette was only about 345 if I remember correctly. The camaro handled and drove much better, and the T tops were cool...but the interior materials were not as nice as mustang. These prices are a bit misleading, as both cars typically MSRP'd around 30 or a little more. By the time you add T Tops and auto trans to that camaro, the price would be close to 30, mine was a little more than that. I wanted a firebird originally, but could not find one anywhere and production had halted for the year...then I ran across the red SS in the showroom and I was hooked. Put a 100k miles on it over 6 years before I sold it. The only trouble I had was the AC compressor died at 100,000 so I had to replace that....but nothing else.

[@batsonelectronics]

I bought a brand new 98 Formula with Leather and T tops for $25K. It ran 14.1 with the auto and only 100 miles on the odo. I paid full retail as I was the first in my 70K people town to get 1. It had just came off the truck. Still fully wrapped. I know the SS was faster than the Mustang but MW never launches well on GM stuff.

[@Milehighsnake98]

The price for the Mustang was accurate. There were no options for them. The F bodies were priced higher and that got GM punched in the kidneys for sales because the cobra was 99% of the performance of the SS, at a 25% discount. The mustang is definitely a better driving car though. Better outward visibility, more comfortable ride, more predictable handling. The crappy tires hurt the stock performance. I can only imagine what a stock 98 would do around that road course with decent tires. Today's high performance all season tires have as much grip as near-competition level summer tires back then. The cobra was actually intended to go against the E36 M3, not the Camaro.

[@Johnny96ri]

@@Milehighsnake98 The F-body is the better performer. The Mustang is the better CAR,

[@midnight347]

​@@Johnny96riit has slightly better acceleration stock the 4v has 10x more potential modified. There been guys run in the 5s quarter mile at 256 mph or more with a 4.6 4v like this one still using stock style ported heads, stock block and stock crank. No ls1 or any ls period ever ran that fast with that many stock parts let alone with only 4.6 liters of displacement. The cobra is the better car all the way around it is slightly behind on acceleration stock for stock with 1.1 liters less displacement. It looks and sounds way better than the camaro. Cobra ftw.

[@Johnny96ri]

​@@midnight347dude, PUNCTUATION. I'm not reading that wall of text.

[@sbklvr]

I knew a guy who ran 13.0 in a 98 Cobra,Stock. He was a real clutch master. My 99 Cobra ran 13.6 with a 2k launch cuz the halfshafts in the IRS always snapped so I had to baby it off the line.

[@JNAMOTORSPORTS]

Some LS1 Camaros got into 12.9 even 12.89 or so on a tire

[@midnight347]

​@@JNAMOTORSPORTSthere were stock Mach 1 that went 12.9 also on a tire. Mm&ff Evan smith went 13.1 at 105 in a bone stock mach. These cars ran killer for 4.6 liters the camaro is up 1.1 liters and I think it had slightly higher compression too.

[@CirocObama.94]

How the hell did they sabotage the Camaro like that in the drag race these cars have a bone stock 0 to 60 of 4.9 seconds hey 0 to 60 that is faster than the 98 Cobra and the 2003 Cobra

[@midnight347]

They were not faster than the 03 cobra in any way in any test ever period. 03 cobra went to 60 in 4.5 and was half a second faster in the quarter and trapped 113 mph. Not even close.

[@al90vette]

seems like yesterday... used to love both of those cars

[@Marathon13240]

They just wanted a big point to give mustang buyers even though everyone knows the camaro driver cant launch

[@robertrobinson5861]

My grandma could do better

[@midnight347]

The camaro only trapped 2 mph more man. Trap speed stays pretty consistent and doesn't matter about the launch. Camaro is slightly faster but not by much.

[@24theMoney]

MW was THE automotive magazine back in the day!

[@omarkhanlilcurry]

The 2004 terminator is the best muscle car of the 2000s imo

[@ixigreenmanixi]

omar khan Yep, if you're wanting a badass Stang that's the one to get. They underrated the hp numbers. It was pushing out 390 but that was to the wheels. They were actually producing around 420 or more at the crank. Some people actually had higher ratings too!

[@alexander1485]

omar khan um 2000 cobra r?

[@lkporter1989]

alexander1485 ummmm theres only 300 of those. Totally different class......

[@BAYAREA_PizzaParty]

OMG just say Cobra R, who the hell says Terminator?

[@VicsAdventures]

Timmy Turner it's not a cobra r completely different car... and everyone say terminator lol gtfo

[@brianneeley4471]

Had 96 and 98 cobra pretty much same car and had unmarked caprice with vette motor for work. I like the revving of the cobra much more. with 98 cobra I ran 13.30s 104 at Mason Dixon Drag way in Hagerstown MD with motorsport 4.10 gears, Nitto Drag radials, light weight drive shaft,safety loop for drive shaft for strip, pro 5.0 shifter. Because of high revving car lower gears actually increased top end to 162mph.

[@BrownBomber92181]

Nice! I couldn't believe Ford only put a 3.27 final drive ratio in these, especially since it was only a 5 speed.

[@kbdadriftking]

My family has always owned cobras.... 97 and an 04. The z28 will destroy a 98 cobra all day

[@4head210]

Kuri Brown what is wrong is that Camaro should've ran 13.3. Such a shitty driver behind the wheel

[@Len1977gt]

Kuri, no you are wrong and you never owned cobras. A good running 99-2002 z28 ran high to mid 13s at best, and mid 5s in the 0-60, The Cobra did both in f ew tenths faster

[@slowninja14]

All I have to say is that I never lost(stock to stock) to any NA mustangs with the 4.6 in my 01 SS. Wasn't really close!

[@kbdadriftking]

Larry N actually idk why you think the 96-98 is so fast. The terminator yes. If the driver of the camaro didn't light the tires up it would have walked the cobra. I don't care which care is lighter torque wins the race and the camaro is geared better

[@michaelmontgomery2446]

Shattered Dreams The Z28 is rated at 305hp but anyone who's ever put one a dnyo knows that's a lie, it makes a lot more power than the cobra, and it should be running low 13s without a driver who's learning stick...

[@TonicofSonic]

That huge footprint of the Chevy was ahead of its time. It was not long after this that sports cars and super cars got huge.

[@willking8178]

The ground clearance is insane by today's standards. Those things look like they could go rock climbing! And the wheel gap...I could fit my head between the tire and fender of the mustang.

[@notsoseriouslen6374]

I had a 96 gt with 18" saleen rims and it definitely looked like I could rock climb with it

[@midnight347]

​@@notsoseriouslen6374they have to be lowered especially with 18s. They need a 2 inch drop.

[@Nick_Gerr_Hugh_Janis]

My favorite review from Motorweek. Of all time.

[@opieg7333]

Having lived through that era and driven both, owned one, there was no real comparison. Hands down the F-Body was the one to own. They gifted the acceleration to the pony for "balance" and had to grab a cobra to make it even appear reputable.

[@EJ257IHI]

2 very cool cars. I didn't own neither of them, but they dominated the car scene for a while.

[@superapple4ever]

I'm just really glad that Chevy made the smart decision to bring it back.

[@matthewhunter6421]

I'm glad so they could come in 2nd to Mustangs for a while before they discontinue the camaro again. It's been great beating camaros consistently for decades

[@noneofyourbusiness6630]

When I was a kid I had a supercharged 1997 Cobra making almost 500hp. Now a days you can buy that from the factory stock with a warranty.

[@juicyearl]

The SS looks like an asian man in a wind tunnel

[@garagers6667]

Carp lol

[@kingnino4836]

Or a catfish

[@michaelbienicewicz2993]

So do you.

[@Kgio-2112]

Chinaman?

[@KyleSchwanz]

Wish I had either of those now. Those were sick cars when I was in high school

[@bhcamaro2002]

And still sick now too 👍

[@pj2519]

These times are off, bad driving. Camaro beats that car in a straight line

[@4head210]

P J correct. what is wrong is that Camaro should've ran 13.3. Such a shitty driver behind the wheel

[@Len1977gt]

Stop your whining, The times were right. The Mustang easily beats the fagmaro all day long

[@pj2519]

Larry N ok buddy

[@DimitriosChannel]

Yeah good luck working on that Ford DOHC or adding performance parts. Have two friends that own it and they hate working on it. I have to admit though Mustang sounds nice.

[@BostonWs6]

Larry N pull your head out of your ass actually keep it in there maybe we won't have to hear your stupid fucking mouth

[@joshtutor2526]

Growing up in this era and in a small Tennessee town, everybody had one of these two cars or a truck..You weren't cool without one of those three..Back when we still rode around town on the weekends.

[@ak3617]

1998 SS Camaro 0-60 in 5.7 sec.?????? My 13 year old nephew could get a better time with that car.

[@TheJoey3590]

I wouldn't trust motor week's 0-60 times either. In a lot of their videos, you see their test drivers spinning the rear wheels for a good 4 seconds off the line.

[@Evan2]

I completely agree -- Motor Week's times seem to be anywhere from half to a full second off what the car can actually do. It seems their test drivers think they can just mash the pedal from a stop and they'll get the best time possible.

[@jordanscheurer8898]

Aaron Kark that's what I was thinking lol

[@yominyun]

0 to 60 times for the LS1 motored Camaros should be in the 4.9 to 5.3 second range.

[@DatMat]

@@Evan2 yeah, I've noticed this with a lot of their car reviews like the Pontiac Vibe GT they said 0-60 was 8 seconds and it is actually around 7 seconds

[@samotrx7]

Huge mustang fan but we all knew how them 1/4 mile races would go lol. Whoever drove on that test.... jeezus...

[@midnight347]

They're not that far off stock for stock. The fbody trapped 2 mph more which is about right. The ls1 first came in 98 this engine first came in 96 for the cobra so its kind of unfair testing an engine that been around a few years against the brand new for camaro ls1 engine with 1.1 liters more displacement and it's barely quicker lol.

[@samotrx7]

@@midnight347 lol you're dead wrong on that SS. He launched that car dukes of hazard style. Any capable driver could get very low 13s, high 12s out of an SS. You're not doing that with that year cobra without tires and gears.

[@briancenti5423]

camaro ''driver'' needs to learn to launch..seen LS1 run low 13's stock...this was hilarious

[@rexmoline3810]

brian centi my stock 02 camaro runs 13:20s yes it’s auto

[@benjaminscott3930]

My o2 firebird run low 13 you start in second gear for best 0 to 60

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

They could scrape 12s with a good driver

[@k9ws68]

this clown can't drive ls1 will dog a 4v 4.6 any day

[@Ka_Gg]

Yeah I just argued this and many ppl just don't understand.

[@lootgoblin6977]

It really doesn't matter which one y'all think is faster, they are close enough in speed that it will all come down to whose the better driver in a race. Just pick which one you think looks better imo

[@cadesmith9213]

It’s funny how “sleek modern design” turned into “ugly cheap weed machine” 2 decades later

[@bluegrassadventures8227]

The camaros pretty nice still they hang with new muscle cars with very little modding and are very aero dynamic

[@WJHandyDad]

that was a great trip down memory lane

[@x7stringinJSCx]

About $25K for a Z/28 in 1998.. fast forward to 2014 and '15.. they're $75k... ouch. lol.

[@홍성우-o3r]

If you are looking for a '98 car, these cars sell way lower that that...

[@71sc502]

The 5th gen z28 wasnt just a base v8 option like the 4th gens were. Its a track animal.

[@Antiganos]

@@홍성우-o3r Hes referring to a new Camaro. A 2020 Z28 is almost 80K, but a 1998 Z28 was only 25K.

[@adrianlopez4924]

Adjusting for inflation 25k in 98 is about 40k in today's money.

[@Game-The-System]

@@71sc502 Absolutely correct. The Z28s of the 4th generation are roughly the trim equivalent of 5th/6th generation SS. Interestingly, the 4th generation SS was the top trim level and it only had a few differences from the Z28s, including +20hp, larger rims/tires, the hood scoop and the different rear spoiler.

[@adamsdailydriveway]

My how times have changed, when a modern fusion sport can beat 2 muscle cars. Love the 90s early 2000s

[@stillsearching1284]

Mustang Cobra all day everyday!

[@wichito8736]

I remember clearly out here in central tx, when those Ls1's hit the street the camaro and trans am were running low 13 quarters and one of my friends had a basic z/28 hard top no power windows, cloth seats and it was a stock freak, ran 12.9 with drag radials. Fastest stock cobra I saw was a 1998 and it ran mid 13s. I had a bad ass fox back then, and man I had such respect for those ls cars. I always wanted to buy one, trans am firehawk black on black yes please. Wish I kept my fox.

[@midnight347]

456 gear and drag radials could get the cobra to real low 13 possibly high 12 in good air. It is unreal what a change from 3.27 to 4.56 does for those 4v cars back in those days. I would do 4.30-456 if na and if supercharged I'd still do 4.10. Them cars need gears badly.

[@ubernoob103]

I love the way in the description it says 'why dont we all just drive trans ams?'... do they forget the trans am is the camaro with a different badge?

[@TheHiroCameron]

the trans am was really a corvette with a different badge and gm didn't want people to know that, it put out more horsepower than the camaro, and was better looking of course.

[@roninkraut6873]

Cameron Patterson That’s ridiculous but it was better looking. It’s been the same car since 83 since GM wouldn’t allow Pontiac engines in the bird (or any car)

[@antonio_ws6]

@@roninkraut6873 the high trim trans ams made more hp than the camaro, GM didn't want the trans am to out perform their poster child (Corvette)

[@roninkraut6873]

Antonio Maybe the Firehawk. But the SS and TA used the same LT1 and LS1

[@antonio_ws6]

@@roninkraut6873 yes but the trans am has more torque and hp because it's ram air was more effective

[@EdwardFeenman]

I bought a '99 SS convertible in 1999 as a self birthday present when I turned 19. It wasn't fast by today's standards but I hauled more ass than the post office hauls mail. I still remember how it felt like I could play a round of golf on that mile long dashboard. Cars have come a long way...

[@heychevrolet299]

Edward Feenman I love the ls1 camaro for what it is

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

I'd pick the Z28 Camaro.

[@veedubrep]

These retro videos are awesome!

[@Mctsep]

You guys couldn't race back then. Lol i had a 1998 camaro ss it ran 13.3 sec all day in the 1/4mile.

[@jonathanhudson4623]

Michael tucker this shit is biased as hell. The guy in the z28 roasted the tires and never attempted to regain traction. My 14.2 second 89 formula firebird with a free modded tpi305 killed sn95 GTs twice a week for years at Darlington dragway. Most of the sn95 GTs mustang ran high 14s and low 15s. My 02 ws6 6 speed was box stock and in mint condition when I got it with 33k miles on it in 2012. My first day at the track I was running 12.8s with a 2.0 60'. It killed stock 04 cobras as I got used to launching it. That z28 ls1 should have walked that shitstain the entire 1/4. I've never seen anyone but a complete newb run a high 13 with ls1 auto f-body. Those are decent driver in an LT1 times. The mustangs were very overrated on paper for their power numbers just to try to match up with the ls1 cars. The LS1 was very underrated considering most of the 6 speed cars would put down more power at the rear wheels than the engine was advertised to produce at the flywheel . Even a lot of stock autos put down 330ish rwhp when the flywheel numbers were suppose to be 325hp. This shit is a joke. The only mustang that could keep up with ls1 f-bodies was the 04 cobra and it took 8psi from a supercharger to do it. That's around a 50% increase over what that engine would have made naturally aspirated. Old lightly modified ls1 f-bodies are still beating the new 5.0s. At least those races are actually close. I have to call total bullshit on this videos drag race.

[@andyshouseofgears4902]

Michael tucker I had a 98 z28 t-top auto car that would run 13.2 all night stock @ Firebird Raceway in Phoenix, oh how I miss that car!

[@rcmelton0615]

jonathan hudson You did not beat a terminator with that stock pos. Just stop.

[@rcmelton0615]

Boogey man If he thinks those push rod hunk of shit ls motors are on parr with a coyote 5.0 or a termi motor he is smoking crack. Can a ls1, ls2 or ls3 handle 1000 hp??? Fuck no but the gen 2 and 3 coyote can handle over 1000 hp and the termi motor which is forged from the factory can handle around 900hp with a good tune. He can have fun making his push rod hunk of shit get anything over 700 without blowing the fuck up. Shit the ls3 cant even handle over 750hp. what a joke.

[@ibanez720rg]

Archangel_4sixx There are plenty of LS3's pushing well over 750 HP with little to no mods. GM and Ford both make quality engines capable of big numbers.

[@SpyderRios]

Back in 2004 when the cobra and the SS were common I used to own a 2004 Mustang GT six speed manual. My car's only mod was a Borla Stingers catback. I outpaced a 1998 Trans Am, took on a 2004 Mach 1 and stay ahead within a bumper and I also beat a 1998 Cobra but barely. All the races were pretty closed and I think the main difference was that I was a hell of a driver. I retired my 2004 GT when I sold it to my brother and bought a 2011 Mustang GT which is just a totally different beast of a car. Not once did I cared for the late 90s early 2000s Camaros. I always liked the Trans Am Ws6 and the Cobras better.

[@CanIbeFrank]

SpyderRios *5 speed manual

[@Lucille69caddy]

SpyderRios Falling off a cliff your '98 Mach 1 wouldnt stand a chance against a '98 TA.

[@midnight347]

@@Lucille69caddy there was no 98 mach 1 but I can assure you an 03-04 mach 1 was well within reason to give a stock ls1 car Fits. Evan Smith from muscle mustangs mag ran 13.1 at 105 mph in a bone stock mach 1. It def could compete stock for stock with an ls car of the period. That was one of the strongest mass produced na mustangs they made back then all the way till the coyote in 2011. Pretty badass for 281 cubic inches from the early 2000s.

[@Lucille69caddy]

@@midnight347 My bad. I meant to say ‘04 Mustang GT. I still say that 4.6 didn’t stand a chance against an LS1 T/A manual. Those 4-speed autos were horrendous and the weak link. They were also slower.

[@Lucille69caddy]

@@midnight347 281 cubic inches, 4 valves/cylinder instead of 2, dual OHC instead of 1. You “little” this and “little” that guys omit those little diddies for obvious reasons. In fact, with all of that going on, it is actually physically larger in dimension compared to the 5.7 LS1. Park both cars side by side once. You’ll see.

[@noseefood1943]

i remember shitting myself scared driving the SS back in 2000. now i would fall a sleep on the wheels.

[@vettecam68]

Love how the driver of the camaro smokes the hell out of the tires and just stays in the gas to let the cobra pass

[@QthAgR8]

I miss my 95 z28

[@daytona4406]

Q the lt1 powered cars a true classic gems. Before the modern ls came on the seen. The last gm's with a 350 from the roots

[@marcmo7138]

I had the 30th anniversary white with orange stripes.mine had the lt4 though.

[@z28kindaguy]

I don't. Just like every other American car at the time, it was a shop queen.

[@bongong1]

marc mo I bet you got a pretty penny selling that, only 108 made I believe.

[@bman99ss]

I miss my 95 Z28 . . . and my 97 Z8 . . . and also my 99 SS . . . as well as my 2002 Trans Am . . . and even my 08 MazdaSpeed3 . . . not to mention my 16 Mustang GT.

[@Trendyflute]

2:20 Nice to be able to compare the car's lenghts :P

[@diescheie4844]

Those late 90's GM's looked good; but hard to ride in when over 6 foot. The t-toped cars make it better....until it rains.

[@davidaubin3902]

Agreed

[@pjwashington5818]

THE SHIT My 2000 Trans am T tops never leaked

[@diescheie4844]

My buddy has a 01 WS6 and has 10k or so on milage,,the last 15 years has seen 100miles or so 1 qtr mile at a time.

[@Mctsep]

Pj Washington my trans am didnt leak either.

[@QthAgR8]

THE SHIT lmao should've been short like me

[@mtb4l673]

Nothing beats that 90s music outro

[@bimmerlife5452]

Why does that Cam SS have single exhaust it's supposed to have dual mine 99 had dual from factory

[@heychevrolet299]

Supra TT you had to have the dual dual option. Yes some came single. They all have y pipe exhaust factory.

[@chadboutchyard2339]

Supra TT single or dual, depending on the size of the exhaust you can get the same flow rate. When the Camaro concept for 93 body style was at the track, it was out running the Corvette in the qmile. There was an article back then in I think road n track stating that gm didnt want the pony out running the horse so they kinked the air intake and went from dual to single exhaust. Dual is better no doubt, but you can get plenty of air flow from a single 3" exhaust.

[@ak3617]

They only did the single (wider) exhaust for 98 SS. I had that car. It was really fun because a lot of people thought it was a V6 dressed up to look like a SS. That is until you would light em up...and they could hear the exhaust and see you fly away. Back in the late 90's the SS was king. Fun times....I miss that car.

[@aoeplayer69]

Aaron Kark no theyhad a center exhaust slp SS never single pipe, and it was available up to 2002

[@BMWCubsMan]

There’s an exhaust from SLP called “TOTL” aka “Two On The Left” makes more power than a pipe coming our each side in back. My 97 SS has it

[@TheManic.5-OH]

Im a mustang guy, but tbh id much rather have the camaro. Especially with leather, t tops and the 6 speed transmission.

[@caseyf8054]

I had an SS camaro and no stock cobra could ever beat my car in a drag race. That driver couldn’t drive that car. 13.1 1/4 mile times were no problem not 13.8 like they were saying.

[@S8ER]

I have the Z28 M6 variety and ran 13.1 @ 108 bone stock. I never saw the mustangs win back in the day stock to stock unless some major driver error was at play. 🍻

[@BrownBomber92181]

That was the last year of the Tekskid block 4.6 liter engine, legendary!

[@forterierocks]

The Camaro would win the 1/4 mile if the driver didn't burn the tires off

[@tubetubeunit]

Miss my 01 SS so much!!!😭

[@joshuahudson2821]

I thought they (mainly camaro) were doing burnout's but they were drag racing. Strange

[@bentrishaleemartin926]

I’ve owned both , they are both good cars

[@pontiacGXPfan]

why do people keep using the LS1 for engine swaps?

[@godisdead_]

pontiacGXPfan cheap, reliable, pretty easy to work on, make good power

[@mattdirks4155]

The LS1 is a push rod motor, so it is a very small motor, allowing it to fit in smaller cars. They make a great amount of power and have a huge aftermarket for them. You can pick up one of these motors for cheap since there are so many of them around.

[@utahcountypicazospage5412]

They fit in anything and out of the box 350hp and 350tq so one thing about the ls1 is when you keep modding then the torque keeps climbing

[@acog_quarks8753]

It's only because they're cheap.

[@liquidleopard4495]

pontiacGXPfan, Matt Dirks is on the right track. The Chevy pushrod motors are small on the outside. I've seen a photo of a LS motor next to a 32v V8 from Lexus. The Lexus cylinder heads are huge, because they each have 2 cams in them. From the outside the Lexus V8 looked almost twice as big as the Chevy, even though its displacement was 4L vs. 7L, and its power was 300 vs. 500. A Ford 5.0L DOHC engine is slightly bigger, costs almost $7000 brand new, and there aren't many of them available for cheap in junkyards (yet). The Ford 4.6L DOHC engines are actually bigger still, and I hear the aftermarket for them is fading away as manufacturers and vendors shift to favor the 5.0.

[@jordan-ks6cp]

everyone used to argue supra / 300zx versus these two cars but barely anyone realizes that the cobra and z28 were over 20k cheaper... the fact they can hold up to them at all is impressive.

[@LongRon6969]

This shows how far cars have come. The mustang had 5.4 second 0-60 time and the new Raptor can do 0-60 in 5.2 seconds

[@backyardbuck6362]

I can't let my 89 f body go. Getting new clutch packs put in the rear end and about to get her ready for the track. L98 Firebird Formula on the hunt for some foxbodies.. Pony Wars!! 🔥🔥🔥💨💨💨

[@Livingwater1994]

The Camaro would have stomped that cobra if the dude wouldn't have burned the tires off lol seriously though these cars have a night and day difference. After riding in the Camaro, it would make the cobra feel like a Honda.

[@jasonhakala6489]

Austin Trammell your dreaming lol I actually owned both. The cobra was way faster in a 1/4 mile.

[@wreckemraider1924]

Umm fuck no. The cobra is not faster, that fucker in the Camaro couldn’t drive for shit. The LS makes way more power.

[@Sneaky5.sl0w.]

Casey Young power doesn't equal faster car. If your not putting the power the the ground then you aren't going fast at all

[@wreckemraider1924]

aMcSpank the LS motors were way underrated. For more than the 4.6.. that Camaro likely makes 50 more whp. That fucker didn’t know how to drive

[@Sneaky5.sl0w.]

Casey Young that what all camaro guys say when they lose to a mustang "oh that guy just doesn't know how to drive" mustang is just an overall better car, engine is easy to work on, reliable and can make big power with a good set of heads and cam and tune. If ford made millions of 32v cobras I'm sure we would see a lot more people swapping 4.6l 32vs into their cars.