The 2020 Lexus RC F Track Edition is a Refreshing High Performance Drive | MotorWeek Track Test

[@MatrixDiscovery]

The real Supra!

[@germaineliew2012]

Nothing against the A90 Supra, but if Toyota is capable of producing a car like the Lexus RC and LC, they should be capable of producing the Supra by themselves isn't it? Fun fact, the old A80 Supra shares its platform with the Toyota Soarer/Lexus SC at the time.

[@jasonmarkel9569]

Don't forget about about Lexus LFA. If you can make that they should be able to at least make their own motor for the car

[@germaineliew2012]

@@jasonmarkel9569 Ah yes, the LFA. What an engineering masterpiece.

[@jasonmarkel9569]

Couldn't agree more

[@matthewp9015]

Germaine Liew it’s not about whether Toyota can or can’t, it’s about spending their capital on projects with the best returns. The Supra is a niche model that demanded a straight-six, and for Toyota to develop their own engine would cost them millions of dollars and they wouldn’t see that money back on Supra sales alone. Toyota are also putting most of their development budget into EV and alternative energy drivetrains. This is hugely expensive for automakers but far more critical than a two-seat sports car, hence why Toyota found a partner in BMW to share costs.

[@spazemonkey]

Most likely cost, this thing is around base 911 price but not even close in terms of performance. For those who think that the cost could be cut as a Toyota should also remember the fun fact that the twin turbo mk4 Supra cost as much as the top trim Lexus it shared chassis with, so most likely there won't be much on cost savings. The nice thing is if people feel that this is a true successor to the mk4 Supra they have the option of buying the RCF, although I do think that'll be a tough sell since the track times I've seen with the RCF is about the same as the mk5 Supra.

[@inomad]

5.0 V8 and rear wheel drive... yes please.

[@samrez-5530]

RS can you buy one of them ???

[@slr7075]

2010 called back and it want its performance figures back.

[@w8uejeoeoq9qkw68]

@@slr7075 Its not all about straight line speed

[@serjiang]

Just need manual transmission

[@Len1977gt]

@@slr7075 2000 called wants it joke back

[@milfordcivic6755]

Finally, something that isn't an SUV or pickup.

[@ash27slick74]

Good, accurate comment! SUV'S don't like high speed cornering and turns.

[@ChristopherOvrebo]

Perfect burn at the end John!

[@derekdreke4990]

Right

[@scott8238]

97k is a little steep for the performance you are getting out of this car.

[@toohoney8674]

I would rather have a C8 and money leftover for the mods

[@keronfarrier2198]

Highway Robbery Plus this shit old as hell anyway(bodystyle)

[@Dave--FkTheDeepstate]

Who would rather have a Tesla Model 3 Performance ? AWD, 0-60 in 3.2s, only $57K

[@steng2495]

0-60 in 4.4 seconds... lol

[@brianlee5649]

Lexus is killing it with their F Performance products. I also love Audi's S, BMW's ///M and Mercedes-Benz's ///AMG. They're pretty amazing.

[@2ZZGE100]

Same Torsen LSD is standard on a base $68K RCF. TVD comes as part of an optional carbon fiber/TVD track package at $90K. TVD is an upgrade on non-TE RCF from the same base model Torsen LSD. Do they even read the specs?

[@gtanation9427]

*( Love Toyota products overall. But, what market is this trying to be placed at? 100k for a 4.4 - 0-60 and, nearly 13 sec quarter mile, when the new 60-70k mid-engine Corvette does in 2.8 and 11 flat? Scratching my head on this one...)*

[@LargeMuscularTitties]

Bmw

[@Chuckles9191991]

I agree 100%. That was my first thought.

[@yaboirico5221]

I think it's limited edition, mostly carbon fiber upgrades, I think without the carbon and whatever else is $30k less, I guess it'll be more reliable, is a proven platform, but expensive to maintain in the long run (titanium valves and things like that)

[@slr7075]

Lexus creates a performance car from 2010.

[@chrismunsey3185]

This is the only positive review I’ve seen of this car. Every other journalist I’ve seen review it say that it is a joke.

[@77devera]

Totally agree with the last statement about the next Supra!

[@GrandmasCamera]

I hope John Davis is still driving these cars. The image of him driving a RCF balls-to-the-wall brings me joy

[@Len1977gt]

lol i hear you

[@akishot6735]

I know I know the C8 is the greatest new car in a long while, but man does this car also seem pretty sweet!

[@meanmugginj]

Rather have a C8 and pocket the change

[@rashad_6speed]

"LEXUS!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?!?!" 😂😂😂

[@Akuma240]

I wouldn’t mind taking off that rear spoiler for around town driving.

[@yaboirico5221]

then just don't buy the track edition and save like $30k

[@hmackprotection1]

Great performance Coupe, but $97k is absurd. $75k should be the very limit for this car

[@bigpapa.B]

The new Supra should have been based on this platform.

[@frederick2690]

Yup, the new Supra is an embarrassment.

[@CFG39]

The new Supra will run circles around the RC F and it costs nearly half as much. Other than the styling being a little strange and the interior being straight up BMW, I DON’T find the new Supra to be embarrassing at all. I’d much rather have the Supra than the RC F on a track or just driving around town. BMW’s B58 3.0L turbocharged I-6 is much stronger than Lexus’ naturally aspirated 5.0L V8. While the power numbers themselves may be lower, look how strong the Supra, Z4 and M340i perform. The M340i can run a sub-4 second 0-60. ZF’s 8HP transmission is also vastly superior to Toyota-Aisin’s 8-speed. The ZF shifts substantially faster, shift logic is more intelligent and it’s capable of huge downshifts like 8th to 2nd, which the Toyota transmission can’t do. My dream for Toyota/Lexus is for them to release an all-new IS/RC with an in-house turbocharged I-6 engine that would be a modern interpretation of the 2JZ. Either the Aisin-Warner 8-speed automatic needs to be replaced with the ZF 8HP, or they have to rework the LS’ 10-speed to greatly improve its performance characteristics to match ZF. Lexus is still about refinement and no engine layout is nearly as smooth or refined as a straight six. They sound phenomenal too and we all know how reliable and tunable the 2JZ was. That engine could also replace the V8 in the next generation Land Cruiser, Tundra, Sequoia, GX, and LX, while also replacing the 3.4T V6 in the LS. I’d love to see a turbocharged I-6 offered as an upgrade engine for the 4Runner and Tacoma too.

[@slr7075]

Hope you like a 4,000 lbs Supra.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@frederick2690 The new supra would embarrass this without a problem.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

We don't need a 3700lb boat.

[@danny200mph5]

Have you seen it’s lap times? Lightning Lap times? They are really slow against the like M4 and C63s, even comparable track cars like Camaro SS1LE and Mustang GT PP2 leave it for dust on the track

[@diemnguyen7335]

I have a track edition RCF and I hit 0-60 in 3.9-4.0 all the time so I’m not sure where 4.4 came from

[@davidwade7681]

Exactly

[@nessuno5403]

3.9-4s is still slow

[@diemnguyen7335]

nes suno no the hell it isn’t

[@davidwade7681]

@@nessuno5403 0-60 means nothing its all about the 1/4mile. You can have a car that hits 60 faster and the other car hit the 1/4mile quicker lol. So that 0-60 is overrated

[@nessuno5403]

Hello fan bois. Slow V8 with a full automatic on a "track" edition?!Without dreaming up numbers, MT has RCF 0-60mph in 4.3s and 1/4m in 12.7s. Take a BMW M2C DCT and you get 4.2s and 12.5s (R&T 3.9s and 12.2s but why upset you more?).

[@MaxDephyantz]

There are 2 other cars that will dust this RC F for around $55k less...but then again people will pay that difference just to have the "L" badge.

[@zangetsu_the_best_zanpakuto]

you have caught my interest. 100K is too much for my budget. could you be cool and let us know what the 2 other cars are please?

[@MaxDephyantz]

Don't shoot the messenger here, but I'll just say that the 2 are American, come with manuals (one comes with both -manual or auto/paddle) & factory performance packages (running lower 0-60, 1/4 mile, and better skidpad #'s) and can be had new with big discounts right now or even less as low mile pre-owned. Care to guess?

[@zangetsu_the_best_zanpakuto]

@@MaxDephyantz mustang and camaro? i'm not a car expert and i don't know most of the details of most cars, sorry.

[@MaxDephyantz]

Yeah, just goofing with you. The Mustang Performance Pack 2 and Camaro SS 1LE are a bargain compared to this Lexus. Now don't get me wrong, it's nice, but not $97k nice...Even low mile GT350's can be had in the mid to low $40k range now.

[@zangetsu_the_best_zanpakuto]

any vette will run circles around it for less. even the new mid engine exotic C8 that is light years ahead of this lexus is still less expensive.

[@pedromelendez1581]

I'll stick to the Infiniti Q50 3.0 Turbo or Kia Stinger. Even the Lotus 400 Evora is better and cheaper. I'm sure the Lexus is a hoot to drive fast. But, the Hyundai Veloster N with the 275 hp is much less in pricing and the fun factor is in an all time high. The Civic Type R is the only car in its class that'll edge it out by it's hp advantage. Props to the Fosd ST bring some heat to the segment. I'm sure the Mazda 3 turbo with also bring some heat into the mix.

[@mr.hondamods]

Man this is one bad ass looking lexus!

[@CreateYourWorth]

The 1/4 mile times are almost identical to the q50 red sport.

[@ironbull2003]

You can find a twin turbo gen 5 viper for 100k now days.

[@oliverroo59]

Love your comments about Toyota @ the end of the video!

[@Zelow.]

As someone with a regular RCF, this car is DEFINITELY for the hardcore Lexus enthusiast. Even people like me who love the Regular RCF would not buy this because like many people are saying this car is 100k for just a tiny boost in performance that can be made up with driver mod or aftermarket parts. Sure it looks cool but why would you get this car for 100k when you can pickup a NISMO GTR,NEW GT500,used C7 ZR1,2 used Camaro ZL1s etc... all for the same price. At the end of the day anyone who is looking to buy a car for the track doesn't care about reliability or comfort and the RCF in my opinion is a perfect street car/daily driver but Lexus should not have released this track variant without doing something SUBSTANTIALLY different (forced induction). People aren't going to buy your 100k track car when the average mustang gt with some after market parts will destroy it. Lexus just needs to bring out that twin turbo v8 coming in the LCF and people will actually buy their performance cars.

[@DizzyMan24]

Only 2 colours? There was a yellow one at the Toronto Auto Show.

[@CFG39]

Lexus needs to drop a couple of turbochargers on the 5.0L V8, mate it to AWD and ditch their Aisin 8-speed for ZF’s 8HP and they would have a serious performance vehicle worthy of competing with BMW, Mercedes and Audi. Also, Lexus that spindle grille and weird dropping lights has got to go. It’s so overplayed now it’s just ugly. 4.4s to 60mph is not competitive in 2020. Also, why would you ditch the torque vectoring diff on the most extreme version? $98K for something slower than an M340i, Model 3 LR AWD (not even the Performance), C43 AMG, S4, etc. No thanks.

[@anibalbabilonia1867]

Beautiful car!😍👍

[@bhogeke1330]

They could totally make the supra in house! Toyota/ Lexus has many rwd platforms, v6, i4 turbo, v8, and v6turbo powerplants! The new supra is nice but.... most of the hardware it not Toyota quality.

[@rightlanehog3151]

Is that a special 'Track Edition' parking brake pedal?

[@derekdreke4990]

Daaaaaaammmm that end burn Whooooo go Motorweek 🤟

[@billyhughes9776]

98K? "price not uncompetitive"? I would disagree with that opinion John.

[@buffboi9454]

Its carbon fibre dude...

[@billyhughes9776]

@@buffboi9454 Sure, there's some carbon fiber -- but the performance numbers don't match that carbon fiber and the price point.

[@buffboi9454]

@@billyhughes9776 so your telling me that the dodge demon with snap on plastic crap parts. has a reason to be pricy.... How about lets take them both on the circuit..

[@billyhughes9776]

@@buffboi9454 I never said the Demon was reasonably priced. Ha,....

[@buffboi9454]

@@billyhughes9776 just a comparison bro...

[@RetroGamerVX]

Who damaged the roof, it had a big dent just above the door! Love the look of that car.

[@QuietStormX]

Yep and over priced for the old track pad and no Manual???? ☹😠

[@johnsimons3159]

Is that dents above the drivers side door?!

[@SirtubalotTX]

The REAL Supra..

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Definetly not.

[@AnonYmous-iw6rh]

"Toyota should keep it in house when it comes time for the next Supra" ZING

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Not sure why they'd say that when the current wouldn't have a problem walking this on the track.

[@connermt74]

Was it me or were there doesn’t along the drivers roof tail in several places?!? $97k....I remember when the LS raised eyebrows when it was $50k. Now you can’t even get nice trucks for that price in many places

[@blue_lancer_es]

That last sentence said the same thing I have said for over a year.

[@hondamanvtec2894]

0:01 I thought it was the good old Celica Gt4 haha

[@RelentlessRevolver7]

I love this car

[@Nickodarius]

The rear tires are buried yet the from suspension looks like it's on stilts.

[@Drako_93550]

Wow, that's pretty slow for 472-HP and 395 LB-FT!! smh

[@fugginrambo]

That's right where it should be. Very similar to a Camaro or Mustang with the standard V8. What time do u think it should be putting down?

[@fugginrambo]

@Luke high 3s is the manufacturers claim . A demon does 9s too but in reality it's low 11s. This Lexus is a luxury car first ,with some goodies to make it able to do safe laps. 12's in the quarter and mid 4's 0 to 60 is exactly what it is

[@fugginrambo]

@Yves where did I say it's a better car or value. I said mid 12s and mid 4s is the time it should be laying down

[@Drako_93550]

@@fugginrambo It's very similar to older Camaro SS and Mustang GT..Like for example, 2013 Ford Mustang GT with only 420 HP does 0-60 in 4.3 and 1/4 in 12.7 sec @ 111.1 mph..The 2018 and up Mustang GT's 0-60 is anywhere from 3.9 - 4.0 and 1/4 times are 11.9 - 12.2...So this Lexus should be around the same as the new Mustang GT's if anything! especially for that price tag! LOL

[@buffboi9454]

@Cali Guy 5.0 lol even dodge demon cant win on that RC F in the track

[@Bruce.-Wayne]

@4:35.....a CD player that is?.....LOL....for that alone, I'd buy it

[@hawkstringfellow]

For that price it should have 500 hp

[@hondamanvtec2894]

Lol... so you are all about numbers Not how fast the car is then

[@slr7075]

The Japanese had always struggled with creating high horsepower production cars. Only counting with your hand, that's pretty much all the cars they did that made more than 300hp.

[@DallasTechie]

Sir I am in complete agreement with your very last statement. Complete redesign of Supra needs to be all Toyota.

[@helllokitty138]

Why is the roof sill dented already?!

[@aayonce4]

Cheap car

[@6.2Slomaro]

Anyone notice the dent at 2:06

[@johnnyCham12]

I'm glade they spent the money developing this car that will sell way less units than a supra, that includes the rc coupes. "We want to keep the supras legacy with a i6," gtfo of here. Stupid ass aiko Toyoda. Should have just spent the rc track development budget on a i6 instead of that pos b58 bmw trash.

[@CFG39]

BMW’s B58 engine is one of the best engines currently produced. It’s like a German 2JZ

[@johnnyCham12]

@@CFG39 so much like a 2jz that papadakis had to eliminate direct injection and other stuff and went old school like a 2jz to get 1k hp.

[@CFG39]

Johnny Cham I have no clue who papadakis is. Also, there’s no way they would be able to get a 2JZ engine to pass current federal emissions testing or deliver impressive fuel economy using the old port fuel injection of yesteryear. Even Toyota has adopted Direct Injection on all of their new engines. The B58 is as close to a modern 2JZ as you’d get. It’s got all of the latest advancements to improve emissions, have almost no turbo lag, offer impressive fuel economy, and last a long time. I hope Toyota does develop their own new I-6 for Lexus vehicles, but they won’t. The internal combustion engine is on its way out. To develop an entirely new engine family for one or two cars doesn’t make financial sense. My argument in favor of a “new 2JZ” would be it could be used in every RWD-based Toyota or Lexus vehicle including the Tundra, 4Runner, Tacoma, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, LS, LX, GX, GS, IS, and RC. The beauty of the I-6 as you know is how smooth, torquey and it’s generally a strong engine design that lasts a long time. It’s also cheaper to produce because it only has two camshafts instead of 4 like in a V6, one head, doesn’t require balance shafts, and they usually weigh less. The reason Toyota and everyone else embraced the V6 is that they can shove it in a FWD car like the Camry, Highlander, RX, ES and formerly the RAV4, while at the same time it can be used longitudinally mounted in their RWD cars. It’s generally not too easy to fit an I-6 sideways for FWD use, but it has been done (Volvo - S60, S90, XC60 and XC90) and VW’s VR6 is more like an Inline-6 than a V6. I personally think an inline-6 (maybe with electric assistance like a 48V electric supercharger) would fit into Lexus’ ethos of refinement much better than a V6 that is essentially identical to the one in a $29K Camry V6.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

The B58 is 200lbs lighter,responds to boost faster at a lower rpm,can simply make over 700whp+ with only a few mods,and can handle more power in its internals than the 2j can. If it we're crap then we might aswell start saying 11s are fast af for RCF's.

[@hawkstringfellow]

97 000 dollar car with 470 plus hp no way is that fucking competitive

[@ForgotToMentionThat]

Someone put Mr. Davis on the track!!!

[@mishimposble]

Better than any fall apart plastic BMW.

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Rather take that chance than buying something that's getting walked by everything in its price range.

[@buckeyesfan4700]

Uhhh when else would you use the track pad lmao...... We used the steering wheel only when it was necessary 😂😂😂

[@ForgotToMentionThat]

This car will outlast all its competitors, don’t you know? I’m guessing that the high price is for the intrinsic value!!!

[@nessuno5403]

In your biased dreams

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

It'll be forgotten like the rest of the "performance" Lexuses made and forgotten by the car community.

[@davidwolf226]

Awesome! No, I wouldn't want to own one. A regular RC 350 would suit me just fine.

[@alanmoncus2331]

I agree, that is a good looking car in just base form

[@alanmoncus2331]

It's cool, but for that money I'm getting a GTR

[@brianlee5649]

Good to hear, in fact I saw a GT-R this morning, Alan. Gray and beautiful!

[@alanmoncus2331]

@@brianlee5649 that would be the color, that's what my 06 350z is lol

[@slr7075]

Both of these Recession era cars need to be put out already. They're too outdated.

[@alanmoncus2331]

@@slr7075 huh?

[@zoka3593]

my dream KOM

[@zoka3593]

car

[@zoka3593]

autto

[@zoka3593]

best asbof 2020

[@nicklevin9321]

This or a GT500 with the carbon fiber wheels....come on Toyota, you can’t be serious with this price. At $60k it would be appealing.

[@93remix]

A MUSTANG, CHALLENGER/CHARGER, or a CAMARO can do probably the SAME, "MO POWAH" BABY! & a FRACTION of COST vs this $97k+ COUPE. Guess which I'm gonna consider?

[@pokerfred68]

4.4 to 60?! BMW M340 xdrive in 3.8 to 4.1...Supra 3.7 to 3.9...almost 100K. Lol. Never with my money. They might sell a few hundred. Corvette anyone? With plenty of money left over and better gas mileage. Cmon Lexus.

[@pokerfred68]

Oh, and one more thing...the interior design is from the Reagan administration.

[@SteadyzZ]

Lexus claims 0-60 in 3.9 for the Track Edition

[@skillz1855]

They have to up the Hp on this car.. Its really lagging behind most cars in its class

[@rellykz2175]

They can definitely up the whp, but they'd lose their identity of keeping NA V8s alive. The car is strong enough, 380whp is a lot of power for the people who drive this car, not everyone is whipping around corners and trynna go 0-60 in 3 or do the quarter in 10s on the streets and highway. Most people talking about how better f80/82's perform are the ones who have their previous cars on the market as salvaged or multiple accidents on their vin. There are just too many shitty drivers who get a M4 and just full send it without even being able to control that much power let alone how to counter steer when they spin.

[@fugginrambo]

It looks like an 08 Civic si with a Rwd and a Beasty V8. Yes please! I'll take two of em

[@johnlukach4091]

100k lol. A camaro ss 1le, gt350, 3 year old z06 can do as good or better for HALF the price. My personal choice 2017 Cts v for 55k that would ABSOLUTELY EMBARASS this car while looking better imo. Its a Lexus so at least it should be reliable lol

[@Herecomesthethruth]

Rather have the LC 500

[@buckeyesfan4700]

Ppl saying they'd take a vette over this clearly don't GET It....... What can one expect from chevy owners 😂😂😂😂

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Its 100k. For something that'll get dusted by many cars that are lower than it's price. No point in buying it unless your a lexus freak.

[@mikeriv60]

Performance = meeeh

[@Chuckles9191991]

Lmao. 97k for .02 secs faster than a Stinger 0-60 and .01 sec faster at the quarter. 🤔🤔

[@ash27slick74]

Wrong.....As IMMEDIATELY stated, this car is more about going fast and braking around corners which it does very well. Any schumck can go to AutoZone or Pep Boys, put a spoiler on their car and have their 8th grade drop out backyard mechanic do some simple modifications to go faster down the brainless quarter mile strip.

[@Chuckles9191991]

ASH27 Slick doesn’t look like it’s going that fast for the price. Are u serious? Not talking about mods, I’m talking stock Stinger WITHOUT a spoiler.

[@nessuno5403]

An M2 Competition is cheaper and more competent

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@ash27slick74 it still weights north 3700lbs with only 500hp. If anything this'll get smoked by nearly everything in the price range.

[@GyroPyro121212]

All that money to lose to a Mustang GT PP2.

[@tilmonr]

For that amount of money, I would get a Porsche GT4.

[@docholiday6421]

We your done ,send it to me ..👍🤠

[@thekhakiobserver3128]

Needed lighter 3.5TT engine, awd, electronic parking brake, and thinner drls that bordered 2/3's of the headlamps. Its .1 sec faster than the 2016 lexis gs-f they tested, immean.

[@user-yv1bf4rx7r]

You could just buy a C7 Z06 for $20,000 cheaper and demolish the lexus on a track

[@Len1977gt]

no you wouldn't and at the end of the day you would be driving a piece of crap plastic fall apart corvette that will lose its value

[@user-yv1bf4rx7r]

@@Len1977gt Yeah right. Show me one track where the Lexus is faster than the Vette. The Z06 is literally 20 seconds faster at VIR.

[@pbfloyd13]

A better Supra than the actual supra...

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

The mk5 would slaughter this without a problem.

[@keronfarrier2198]

This is a major no-go. Too little horsepower

[@toohoney8674]

Going to say No to this one. C8 rules the field.

[@JohnMachado24]

Talk about over priced for what you get....

[@ricardosantiago702]

Copy to infiniti q60 400

[@teehud313]

No thanks

[@rmartinez6379]

Please a real Supra Toyota

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

Too heavy,slow,and overpriced to even be one.

[@birdworldist]

Lovely. Hug

[@khaledcherkawi6159]

Loool 12.8 second quarter mile . That's to laughable. Slower then the last generation RcF

[@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt]

4.4 to 60 😯😃😂🤣 In what world is that a performance car? That can't even keep up with the BMW X3M SUV The douchey narrator reading from the Lexus press release isn't allowed to point out how slow this junkwagon is.

[@davidwade7681]

Wrong

[@TasteMyStinkholeAndLikeIt]

@@davidwade7681 I love your "I know you are but what am I" argument. Congrats on completing first grade 👏

[@carboydorifutoparty3976]

@@davidwade7681 definitely not wrong those new X3's are high to mid 11s suv's that could easily dust either the base or track edition RCF's.

[@vitovitale9867]

My old 400 hp Mark 7 Golf R can out gun this Lexus overweight lump of metal which might be very reliable but is also an ugly turd and my Golf cost me less than $20K! Toyota leave it to BMW and Subaru to make serious sports cars for you and stop embarrassing yourself with these pointless exercises!