Mountain is temporary, Charger Vanguards are Eternal(ly garbage)

Charger vanguards are heavily overshadowed, but "bad" does not mean "unusable". Also I don't hate Mountain or Reed.
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[@Pengod]

Why yes Plume has extremely tight openings, why did you ask

[@blazznfire8685]

Tight openings... You mean like she take a short time to deploy, right?

[@bananawieldingorenji]

that cloaca do be holdin up real tight

[@tempota7792]

​@@blazznfire8685she makes me take a short time to deploy alright

[@NikkiTheViolist]

wait is Charger just the tomboy subclass

[@Loqwed]

hell yea

[@thegunfireguy7447]

How did I never realize this

[@Nullified_VA]

Truly the best class for peg- I mean supporting doctors ^^;;

[@slept5971]

That'd be brawlers actually, mountain and chon Yue tomboyed so hard they changed genders

[@tempota7792]

@@slept5971 Waiifu was Mountain before Mountain and female. She stayed true to her gender so hard she even named herself as such.

[@frankmad1942]

Extremely tight openings... bro💀

[@rasiah2415]

What does this mean?

[@PsixoCraftingTool]

@@rasiah2415 you don't wanna know

[@nagib2847]

Said this exact comment out load before i opened the comment section 😂

[@iJedi_aye]

@@rasiah2415 The non-pervert meaning is that she's cheap and refunds her initial dp cost when you recall her, so you can open a stage by deploying her first in stages that have dp-down and an early rush of enemies, like that one daily from CC beta on Barren Plaza.

[@tridentgreen3346]

He got a point about Plume tho. Also no mention of the interesting Talent Buff Reed gets with her module, wherein she takes arts damage, becomes Angry, then stabs faster for a little bit. Which is cool.

[@eha_nl]

It is pretty cool, but a dps multiplier is only good if you do any damage in the first place. Best thing about it is her tail swishes faster

[@PsixoCraftingTool]

@@eha_nl SWISH! SWISH!

[@LuteaNelum]

@@eha_nl If I ever get Reed, I'll be raising her just because of the tail swish, and I am not ashamed to admit that. I'll stop by Kal'sit's office for my landmines later.

[@tempota7792]

Tail goes 🔥, don't forgor

[@mochii813]

Ever since one of my friends made a vigna balls joke I've made a vow to never use her again This somehow changed my mind

[@dormi_torio]

Vigna balls

[@DisIngRaM]

4:25 I love how reed stays on the bench, while her teammates are out there fighting in the field.

[@blitzrohan]

0:53 fake, no way kaltsit would say something so short

[@Tauposaurus]

"Financial decisions may be tough. You may find yourself in a situation where the choice of such a burden is yours and only yours to shoulder. I will heavily judge you about those choices. Many will. Is such a decision set in stone or can it be influenced? When the time comes you must put all those conceptions aside and make a choice that you alone will have to bear. At that moment you will have to choose which operator to recruit, and which to use. As for the matter of you asking operators to sit on your face --"

[@senzonia7590]

you use mountain because hes meta, i use mountain because of his skull crushing muscles and his very big package. we are not the same

[@obsiangravel]

Based

[@fuckinghugepablo]

DAMN RIGHT KING

[@fang4481]

TRUE AND BASED

[@snappieboi5026]

BASED KING

[@nandapratama4529]

Mountain is good for early rushes, while charger vanguards excel in slower ones + having DP regen capabilities. Although, this does not matter because flagpipe is objectively better. Also Mountain is big so that's another point for him.

[@Repriserey]

😋

[@tempota7792]

Mountain is also literally furry so infinite negative points for all of eternity.

[@obsiangravel]

@@tempota7792 that only makes him better.

[@burushifudara]

The only problem Mountain has is RNG with talent proc

[@nandapratama4529]

@@burushifudara who cares about his RNG damage boost, he has more than enough stat to deal with medium to low def rushes with AoE attacks on S2. His sustain is also enough to stall enemies with high atk/def.

[@adreamer5920]

Wow this video is great, it reminded me to max out my mountain

[@HellecticMojo]

People in the comments are complaining about Mountain being a furry. Hey man, some of us just like Frosted Flakes, part of a complete breakfast.

[@mahiru20ten]

I mean, like Frosted Flakes, Mountain is Gr-reat.

[@kyarumomochi5146]

I absolutely love the editing of this video

[@pathalenvivaldi7811]

Reed's mixed damage and higher DP gain during skill was a fun gameplay niche. The only vanguard with resist as well. Issue is they killed it when they made all other chargers always generate 2 DP instead of just during skills. They could've either not done that, or made her base module say, 'Double all DP generated' or 'Double all DP generated during skill'. 1st one woulda been able to be dropped on other vanguards and kept them the same, so it'd have been a module that can work on all vanguards without feeling specially made for her, and it would facilitate her niche with +4 DP during skill two. Second one woulda simply felt more fitting to her, but been weaker and also felt like it catered too much to her. And then the module upgrade didn't buff her resist by 5/5 or 10/5, so at only 20, she doesn''t have enough to really make her feel like an anti-magic duelist. Great gameplay concept, but instead of facilitating and solidifying it with the modules, they powercrept her with them. Real shame.

[@griin6]

Plume has nice fanart

[@s.o.t_the_real]

I prefer charger vanguards..... Only cause I don't have mountain but if I did I would still prefer the funny one block people

[@Loqwed]

i have mountain but I only see hm as S2 SA lol

[@Lupezzo]

@@Loqwed This hurt me in everyway

[@dindapriska]

Mountain is still a funny one block perso ... well, tiger, though. As long as don't use his S2.

[@tahraki4918]

I have mountain and will leave him unbuilt for eternity

[@mochalatte8362]

​@@tahraki4918 Wdym? He's already built more ways than one 🤔

[@sozetsukokai9327]

Plume also only had one arm, so imagine what she could do with two

[@fortidogi8620]

they also refund dp on retreat

[@strawberryfloptart958]

3:00 "Vehicular manslaughter" here meaning slaughtering vehicles. This is canon. This race queen is built like a concrete bunker.

[@djamesconner]

Really good video. Been playing a ton recently after seeing some of the new ops and finding gavial to be really fun. Great to see i always have more amazing content creators to watch

[@Where_would_I_go_without_you]

If Grani's skill was around 30 SP I'd use her more often.

[@melone8008]

Truly the tomboy class of all time

[@8kman0]

You think that compared to Mountain, Charger VG's have it bad. Have you asked yourself, how are the other Brawlers feeling? There is Mountain, and then there are the "Other Brawlers" who seem to be completely different category, that should be called: "utterly pointless waste of space". I have this feeling, that even Frostleaf and Artificers (Roberta), see more meaningful use in combat than "the other brawlers".

[@Tauposaurus]

Excuse me Beehunter has been enjoying life as a Turret operator ever since Stainless released

[@tortoise-chan]

The reason why Reed got second place isn't because people can't read. It's actually because she's superior to Vigna. her reputation is trash for basically no reason - she out damages vigna against sub-1000 DEF targets (800 DEF with 25 RES), which the vast majority of low and medium threat enemies fall into, *and* 1500+ DEF enemies, while providing double the DP generation. Vigna is only better in a narrow window of 1000-1500 DEF or very high RES (most high RES enemies also have low DEF and Reed wins anyway), is more likely to leak trash with her slow interval and wasted ATK, and is generally less tanky in every way. I don't think she or vigna is the best charger (Wild Mane actually offers unique utility with good damage and DP gen early) but if people are saying vigna is the best, then they are really saying that Reed is the best and don't know it I guess people are extremely hyperfixated on cost-efficiency and forget that Vigna isn't actually *that* strong. there's a lot of weird memes like this in the community where people are just flat out wrong about operator performance

[@nar1768]

probably because vigna is less costly than reed to build, so people starts to reccomend her more to newbies, which in turn makes people think shes stronger edit: oh wait youre already mentioned it in your last paragraph. sorry

[@bumibomber]

I'm pretty sure this isn't true when they're at the same level of investment, Vigna on AVERAGE will do more damage than Reed due to her crit mechanic : 300% atk boost, dealing 600%, 30% of the time, even with the 50% slower attack speed that is significantly more on average AND can help pierce through high def enemies. What really gives Reed value is that she offers more consistency and DP generation, while Vigna offers better utility against higher defense enemies at the start of the round. People do overstate how bad Reed is and do overrate how good Vigna is but to say Reed is better is always better is cope, there are situations to use both, but Vigna's low cost and hard to find niche in the early game makes her way more worth building for the majority of players

[@echigokurogane8612]

Yeah, I do think that is the case in the last paragraph. I got all 3 Abjurer and put genuine time into playing with them. After awhile I figured that no, none of them including Tsukinogi is nearly as bad as people make them out to be. They are just designed in a way to encourage a playstyle that most players don’t care about, and is more for dealing with fodder enemies.

[@Nia-jk4hm]

@@echigokurogane8612 tbf with Tsukinogi, the reason she was marked as garbage is because first impressions are EVERYTHING. when abjurers were added, she just offered the shelter and reveal invisibility effect, and was still mediocre at damage and with no slow; so she paled in comparison to Elysium for revealing invisible enemies and slowing, and was weaker than Scene for the purpose of dealing with invisible enemies. now that they heal on ability activation, abjurers, and by extension Tsukinogi, are starting at the minimum line of "actively will do *something* instead of nothing"

[@tortoise-chan]

@@bumibomber vigna's talent isn't multiplicative, it's additive. so she deals 4.1x damage on crit, not 6x. If they're both E2 60, mod 1, M3, reed still outdamages vigna until ~770 DEF.

[@demilung]

Yeah, if you got every operator developed, then you probably can have a sole combination of absolutely best minmaxed operators. Which is both a pretty priviled position to be in this game about getting operators randomly and a very boring one. Reed's arts damage / resistance combo with a full refund is situational as all hell, but finding such situation and pulling it off is more enjoyable than clearing 10 levels with the same minmaxed meta team.

[@AWildRaito]

Me, a Bagpipe enjoyer: _yes chargers suck, Bagpipe’s subclass is actually “Not A Guard”_

[@Konpekikaminari]

Bagpipe is basically a cheap, DP generating Dreadnought

[@tomato1638]

saw plume and CLICKED plumesweep plumesweep saw as plume fan #1 (only chargers built are grani and plume) i usually use her to supplement fangs damage hahaha... for those extremely tight openings...

[@porchcollapse8612]

PLUMESWEEP based

[@tomato1638]

@porchcollapse FELLOW PLUME FANS UNITE

[@mochalatte8362]

Been playing as a new player for a week I can guarantee, Plume is based 😌👌

[@SilentSpirit671]

Plume enjoyer putting his girl on display for everyone to see. That’s how a real man worships his waifu.

[@Eclin]

I have all the charger at E2, because they’re funny to use lol. On the serious note, i just use them as a makeshift helidrop that doesn’t cost DP(that much) after they are done with their job. Sure i can use flagpipe, but i got kinda bored with it, thankfully Cantabile came in bringin something new for vanguards.

[@Darby_plumwynn]

Mountain doesn't exist, Plume is eternal.

[@eveakane6563]

I can't remember if I've seen this style of editing from you before, but that's definitely subscribe-worthy effort Edit: I was already subscribed lmao, probably also because of the editing style in an earlier video

[@kazzmadd]

"Why not just use Mountain" Coz I don't have him clearly.

[@nehahumair9774]

cant believe im just discovering you, your videos are hilarious lmao

[@lofipolaroid9960]

Your visual editing is quality man

[@ottaviomustard7408]

The reason why I don't use mountain is because I don't have him

[@FunnyBaku]

Plume my beloved

[@arcanumdelta]

(not biased) Comparison: Chargers + generate dp + refund dp upon retreating + high attack + pretty good damage - 1 block - squishy (except Bagpipe but she is the charger ever) - become not as useful after your other ops are set up Mountain + husband (*MY* husband tyvm) Mountain wins thank you for coming to my ted talk

[@arcanumdelta]

P.S. looks like Kal forgot to landmine me, but she doesn't need to know that

[@luisfernandes8475]

Why not just use mountain? Well, to put it simple, we can onlyown and deploy 1 mountain and sometimes the map has 2 lanes

[@lazycat836]

yea yea go insult your charger vanguards, we'll see who will get the last laugh when your phone runs out of battery and needs a charger (vanguard) :3

[@excove4261]

As someone who is a mega ultra hardcore mountain simp, my first maxed operator is vigna, thank you very much 👍 Jokes aside, i did play arknights solely because i discovered mountain's existence and i want him to destroy me with his mega fat co- but while i was on my first steps in this game i already fell in love with vigna and absolutely raised her and became my very first favorite arknights operator (good personality, she rocks, good dps, RIP AND TEAR) before i got mountain

[@Lupezzo]

You're basically me about the Mountain part

[@eha_nl]

You have some very diverse taste

[@tempota7792]

Shouldn't the RIP AND TEAR part goes to Mountain and his megaupload?

[@excove4261]

@@tempota7792 you're right, mountain rips and tears my as-

[@potomiru7235]

Charger vanguards are fun frfr, i love using Mountain but i also like putting Vigna and Wild Mane into the team. Vigna hits hard and is cheap to deploy, and if you buff her its even better (Aak S3 go brrr). Wild Mane has funny push and her S1 shreds through trash mobs. 100% recommend using them.

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

bagpipe is so good she killed off any use charger vanguards had

[@nandapratamaputratomasila4801]

I mean, charger vanguards are a pretty iffy archetype already. The limited DP gen alongside the 1 block makes them pretty bad to open stage when compared to pioneers. The reason people use dragon lady is merely because of the existence of flagbearers. Yes, her skills deal big PP damage, but it's usually better to drop a cornerstone unit than deploying her (you can still deploy her to help with early rush then retreat her after dealing with it since she's DP neutral especially with module).

[@darkomihajlovski3135]

@@nandapratamaputratomasila4801 that's what i meant she enables the flagbearer meta killing what little use chargers had

[@yorozuyagin-chan6584]

This is elite scriptwriting right here. Thank you for this video bossman.

[@nak-crow]

Simple question and simple answer: Why I don't use mountain? because I don't have him.

[@PrimaryP90]

I was looking for this

[@blahtoblahtoto6441]

Fiona really is the backbone of the Vanguards xD

[@mananrocks24]

bro you’re content is hilarious, Love it ❤️❤️

[@laky528]

thank you for changing my life (i started playing arknights again)

[@QuickQuips]

Though the new Agent class makes chargers even more obsolete. Dp just by hitting...

[@hereticloli2476]

I still adore my charger vanguards! I mean, who wouldnt love tight tomboy vanguards

[@McDouggal]

Yeah... Plume is objectively pretty bad. Not even gonna lie. I've still somehow ended up a Plume simp though. Skin or alter when, I'm begging you.

[@mauzilus]

Eha forgot to mention this, so let me ask: what operator would you like to sit on your face? Leave a comment below!

[@obsiangravel]

Mounta- *gets taken down by the McDonald's snipers.

[@echigokurogane8612]

My dumbass really over here thinking for a long time that Saga is a Charger Vanguard and never bothered to fact check that shit. 💀

[@kyubbikcat2281]

I’m probably the only person on this planet who actually uses Reed on a regular basis. She helped me multiple times in Contingency Contract. Especially those god awful DP-down risks. But noooooooo. She’s apparently so useless nobody looked at her until she became a medic. Well fine then. I’m keeping the dragon princess for myself. Farewell!

[@tempota7792]

Thank the Blinding Horse Knight for gracing me with 1 copy of Mountain in between 7 total copies of herself and all her LARPy horse friends. Amen. If she's a Horse Knight, what does she ride into battle on?

[@anzyroadside2374]

Yeah, why not just use the best vanguard Mountain?

[@otdatheu4038]

Hang on a second this guy doesnt know moutain is better what i need to tell him immediately -Landmine noise-

[@wagz781]

The simple answer of why not to use mountain: I do not own him, and I'm not rerolling.

[@kjvbcnth9950]

GUYS NEW EHA VID JUST DROPPED

[@hazavair5755]

The answer to the hill question is; you don't have him. What, I started barely three months back

[@ghetoknight7801]

One of the greatest videos I've ever watched and I don't know crap about arknights

[@redgopnik2227]

REED SLANDER BOIS GET HIM

[@poseyyddon]

Waiting patiently for Wild Mane's loose mane skin.

[@notusneo]

What did you mean that Charger Vanguard has six operator!? They only have one and thats Bagpipe, silly

[@datnoob4394]

The answer is that I don't have Mountain, and if I'm using a support I'll grab Sutr or Texas alter.

[@rylanc9]

I'm so mad that Reed got passed over on the 2dp on kill module. I know her skill already lets her, but she's competing in a rough field

[@VH-fj1hb]

The awnser is : ***"Because i dont have mountain"***

[@D4rkn3ss2000]

I wanted to give a counter-arguement for the Vigna comment, but I got nothing. He's got a point.

[@sw4gsmile595]

Mountain? i use thorns with tachanka

[@batinthesoup3715]

I don't use Mountain becouse i have already built Reed and i don't have materials to E2 Mountain i got from CC banner

[@alifakbar4232]

3:48 FR FR FR IWONA PLEASE SIT ON ME AUGHH

[@DeltaNemesis]

Did I hear Civ 6 music? or am I imagining it...? can't tell anymore....

[@az7433046]

0:18 Huh

[@sashapinesnguyenhienhoa8003]

People use siege ? Also i thought reed was good because the art damage but didnt know i was that meh

[@johnmeme2857]

reed is very good (if you dont have mountain, full pot vigna or any decent vanguard for some reason)

[@oberon5657]

*hella sussy gametail slappy sounds INTENSIFIES*

[@VCE4]

0:40 LMAO Edit: what a great video

[@Rasselon]

The best decision in my Arknights life was not knowing that Plume exists. Due to my first six star being Bagpipe, I never bothered to E1 Plume, and... When i first encountered a stage with a really tight opening, I just used her E0lvl50 body to tank a few hits, refund her for the full cost and replace her with the "proper" 2-block vanguard. You already called her "free", but on E0 she costs 2DP less! You can't find such a cheap girl even on a roadside :)

[@delphynenull2136]

Operators are good if i use them, checkmate anti-Reed folks.

[@Alepfi5599]

Think again, Ponyboy.

[@oyshrimp]

i NEED THAT Blitzvigna!

[@goldenmurloc5519]

iwona pinus

[@govinlock8568]

Kyaa, Plume

[@Obsolescent]

Something ain't quite right, just like this whole class of a vanguard

[@Sirrano_]

wildmane cute haters begone

[@mahiru20ten]

Mountain is go(o)d. Too bad he can't generate DPs for not being a vanguard.

[@kpsto-w-4565]

5 months late and i have the answer for why not use mountain 5:19 because he doesn't generate DP

[@endlessnameless4310]

I also just do not have Mountain :)

[@OleanderGardenGhost]

Why not just use Mountain. Because I don't have him.

[@ledsenkatt]

Please do it Kaltsit I'm begging you

[@robertneil4905]

Mountain is better

[@brickster_22]

Mountain is a furry

[@maihung5512]

@@brickster_22 i dont see that as negative in any way

[@griin6]

I prefer Cliffsides

[@obsiangravel]

@@brickster_22 good

[@animalpetdrakenstar6598]

I mean Mountain doesn’t generate DP, so chargers have that over him

[@tempota7792]

Mountain generates extremely lust in certain people and as we all know that's the only thing that matters.

[@nandapratamaputratomasila4801]

@@tempota7792 🤨📸 But real talk, charger vanguards are pretty bad as an opener compared to pioneers. They excel more against early slow rushes so they can have time to generate DP and not leak at the same time. Not to mention they're DP neutral, which means you get your DP back after retreating them (which you'll always do after getting enough DP to deploy your entire squad) which is also boosted by charger modules. Mountain is good since he's as cheap as a vanguard and can deal with fast rushes + sustainability. Though your opener will be slower without other vanguards for DP.

[@peterdenov4898]

Judging by the recent overinflation of unfamiliar Reed fans, and the slightly annoyed way he regarded us, I can only assume that my worst fears have become true and Reed is facing the same situation as Skadi and Mudrock with their corresponding fan bases. However, as a man that had indeed written several novels regarding the “Reed vs Vigna” debate & “Why Reed is actually decent unit in a doomed subclass” long before it was cool, I will once again point out that that Reed is indeed superior to Vigna when it comes to fulfilling their subclass role which is “opening”, “presence”, and “temporary lane holding”. The 3 main arguments which gacha addicts drop in favour of Vigna before quitting the conversation are: A) Vigna has more overall *big number* against single enemy with ultra defence at same investment. B) Vigna is lower rarity thus making her cheaper and easier to raise. And C) Bagpipe exist. My counter arguments for then are: 1st you are bringing hatchet to a cup cake, and then are attempting to use said hatchet against M1 Ebrams. Lancers generate DP per kill, most early enemies are cannofolders, Lancer struggle to kill efficiency enemies that are not cannofolders. HG gave the subclass a general module that increases the DP efficiency from killing said cannofolders. Vigna may have slightly better performance against Patriot, but she won't be fighting Patriot (fullstop). 2nd something called “Tempo” exists in this game which makes low ASPD pain in the arse as it usually causes leaks. Vigna isn't exactly amongst the majority of units with decent ASPD. In fact she is among the few units with ASPD problem as S2 trades off said ASPD for **big number,** which puts her in this awkward situation of either leaking cannofolder enemies that she obviously overkills with a single hit under normal circumstances, or having to M3/prefer the generic S1 over S2 in situations where you want to avoid early stage leaks when the tempo isn't optimal. Reed dosen't have this tempo problem as her general ASPD is pretty high, and S2 not only dosen't come without any penalties, but also improves the DP per kill efficiency making her actually perform better against crowd rushes. 3rd yes, Bagpipe does exist, and Vigna is indeed cheaper to fully max out, but do you know what? Reed dosen't have to be fully maxed out or even be E2 in order for her to be efficient, you simply rise her to the generic E1 lv60 S7 and she would still perform just as fine to be a stable foundation pillar till you finally get your own Bagpipe. Vigna definitely isn't bad operator by any means, but she also isn't a sidegrade/better version of Reed as she dosen't come anywhere near Reed to begin with. The thing which started all those comparisons between the two to begin with is the question of “Total dmg” which beyond friggin stupid. Vigna dosen't need “total dmg” when she almost always leaks a group of tightly packed slugs, Reed dosen't need “total dmg” when she obviously wasn't intended for that either. One hits pretty hard solo enemies under the right setup, while the other efficiently wipes cannofolders and optimises early DP openings.

[@AquaticIdealist]

Now let's hope Eha reads this lol

[@rogerthat9230]

I can beat your cc records 700 different ways 💀

[@birddispenser]

Why use Mountain when I can use tomboys instead?

[@Dr.Krezotexe]

Why the Video stop suddenly

[@arthurcouto5277]

Why not use mountain? He was busy on the other lane

[@darkdude1996ify]

I usually use Charger vanguards (Bagpipe) as not-so-fast-redeploys. Drop Kill Retreat

[@otto6702]

My most used vanguard combo is Texas-Bagpipe Sorry, Texas x Bagpipe :^>

[@hendrihendri3939]

Lappland gonna kill you

[@tempota7792]

Lappland suddenly appears.

[@Zoeila]

reed is the best just because tail swish

[@RaflyJ91]

what just i watched.........

[@billydonnelly3718]

Simple you don't have mountain, And also waifu. That's why i don't use mountain,

[@saykoya2260]

How could you do Reed like that ? She carried my opening for my CC9 Risk 28 Victorian only clear ! Had a role even Bagpipe couldn't fulfill ! I refuse to accept any of your arguments because they are clearly based on extremely niche circumstances instead of OBJECTIVE facts. Nice video, keep it up !