Mouth Shutters and Such

[@dylaningle3113]

Intresting.

[@southernforestgypsy]

Mouth shutters....😂 Like this guy a whole lot. A "dropped noseband" is what they're called, they sit very low on a horses head and strap up around the front of the bit . Cavesson sits way higher is for something else. Very few English riders end up using a bit and a bridoon, but of those that do - MOST have no clue how to use them and MANY end up with over bent horses. Only just discovered you and I'm binge watching all your stuff to catch up. Love your work young man.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Thank you so much. I appreciate that. A dropped noseband/ mouth shutter is fairly common in American ranching.

[@southernforestgypsy]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt you bring something completely new to the table of horsemanship. Fabulous delivery, likeable personality and a fairly unique perspective and approach. I've studied many...and they're mostly variations of the same thing - you bring something else. I've learned so much from you already, looking forward to checking out your Patreon. Thank you so much. When people discover your channel you're going to get a big following.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

my other retirement plan is invading Bolivia LOL@@southernforestgypsy

[@nssthan]

I’ve only heard the “circus pole” reference with M Bridge’s. Great video. Love the thoughtful information.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

yeah Mike does good work with the pole and has taught a lot of people how to use it

[@sneedfarms1706]

I sure appreciate you taking the time to do these videos. You talk about stuff other people won’t.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

you bet, glad to do it

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Its cuz Iv got nothing to loose

[@karenfrogner1510]

What makes a great teacher? Timing! Thanks for this message today. The gem about building/not building a brace is golden.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Thanks, glad you dig it

[@comesahorseman]

A tight caveson prevents the horse from "chewing" the bit & flexing/softening the jaw. So, if I use a caveson I adjust it so that I can get at least a couple of fingers underneath it & the horse can move it's jaw. JMO.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I tend to feel the same. I rarely use one but if I do I want some room for them to move the jaw

[@Cecilyeg]

I love your videos and often start off with "So" myself. Puts us in a class by ourselves! I was trained by British cavalry officers. In their training the purpose of a 2 piece snaffle is to raise the horse's head (it pokes them in the roof of the mouth). The purpose of the curb bit is to cause them to flex and bring their nose in. The purpose of a caveson is to keep the horse's mouth closed and keep them from ignoring the bit. How tightly or loosely it is fastened depends on the horse and the situation. I train driving horses, mostly. I always use a caveson. Some horses require a much tighter one than others. Sitting back in a cart or carriage a whole lot can happen way out in front of you! When I then take those horses to saddle training I am likely to use a combination of English and western styles. I often take the caveson along with me on this journey because the horses are used to it. As to setting the height of the bit, I like my bits up snug to the corners of the mouth as they have less of a tendency to flip a tongue over the bit. It is a nasty experience to have a horse get frightened/alarmed and want to take off with a cart and since I prefer to train babies, this does happen from time to time. It can create a real mess when you are trying to get them back to attention and the tongue flips over the bit! I have given up 2 piece snaffles and only use 3 piece as I think they lie better on the tongue and are more comfortable for the horse.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Awesome! I love cart horses and know virtually nothing about them other than they wreck big when they wreck. Glad you like the videos and thanks for commenting.

[@Cecilyeg]

I should explain that once I feel they are ready I take them down the road. I can easily drive 12 miles without crossing pavement. I have also discovered that some farmers like to hot rod their semis. This doesn't always make the drive go as planned. You are welcome to come visit! I can see you have lots of spare time! 😅🤣

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@Cecilyeg Oh yeah, tons of it lol. Visit where?

[@Cecilyeg]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt We are 100 miles north of Amarillo, Tx. We raise Morgan Horses and Morgan QH crosses. I post driving training videos on our channel. My husband is a cowboy and rides pens at a feedlot nearby.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@Cecilyeg sweet I will check it out

[@johnphillips2396]

The horse was never properly bitted.If you teach the horse to carry the bit and don't have hands like a bricklayer you won't have a problem.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Im not sure what horse you mean but I agree with the rest

[@markmahnken6409]

In Ca. we call them bosalitos or little bosal. It's a little different because it is meant to have about a 1/4" gap all the way around the perimeter or circumference so when the horse opens it's mouth too far it will feel a small bite from the rawhide which is fairly stiff like a hackamore. I used to use these as well because my mentor at one time used them so I thought I should also. It also intimidated lesser riders who wondered what the heck I had on my horses so I must have known something they didn't. About a decade later my hands/feel had improved along with the reined cow horse world to the point that they became unnecessary. If you have lite hands and excellent timing opening and closing your fingers at the drop of the poll the horses have no need to gap their mouths. Their relief comes from breaking at the poll and moving their feet. Every sport or art typically improves over each decade. The only art that has declined in my eyes is reining along with the Hoover vacs they are producing sucking sand from the arenas. Tools of the past.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I loved that comment

[@frankielayne9446]

You have some interesting points! Do you ever work with mules? If so, do you use the same techniques?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I have worked with mules, they are smarter than me but i do admire a good mule

[@jbrittain4605]

Video on the circus Pole? And or post pen?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

We are in the process of making a BIG hours long online clinic about the circus pole. We have all the footage and the producer is doing whatever she does to stuff. It won't be long...I hope lol.

[@liamrooney5314]

Excellent presentaion on cavesons. Do you have a similar one on western riding with a snaffle?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Could you clarify a little? Im happy to do one but Im not real sure what you mean

[@liamrooney5314]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I was intrigued by your comment about how a more experienced horse in a snaffle carries the bit on its tongue. One question I would have is when do you know a colt is ready to have that headstall loosened to encourage that? And any other considerations. I've ridden with snaffle bits all my life and am just now realizing I don't really know how they function. For example, I've switched to just using the three-piece onces with a "dogbone" in the middle because I assume they're easier on a horse's mouth, but I can't say I know that for sure. Those kinds of things are what I'm curious about. Thanks!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@liamrooney5314 OK, I can do that. Thanks for the idea

[@loryspencer8215]

That sweater is literally disintegrating on camera! LOL! In spite of your wardrobe, your videos are informative and entertaining! That being said, can you address the "Ride from back to front" methodology, which, in theory, would eliminate the need for bracing on a fit horse?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

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[@sassy6292]

I wonder if the mouth shutter is being used in the Olympics and other higher disciplines as a form of ‘equality of outcome’? Let’s say you show up at a dressage event and you’re not using the MS would it be seen as showing off. I was corrected by my coach one day and told I shouldn’t hold my reins in a certain way because the judge would see it or may see it as showing off. There is nothing more disliked than a show off in the show pen lol.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I thought showing off was the point of a horse show

[@WildDreamsFarmPA]

Unfortunately, a noseband is a required piece of tack at dressage and hunter shows. Part of the “uniform” just like the show coat and helmet. I have all my English noseband as collecting dust in my tack room but put them on (with wiggle room!) for shows since it’s required. Plain French cavessons- never the flash or crank nonsense though. I tell myself it’s a useless but decorative part of the show uniform like a bracelet or necklace! 😂

[@sassy6292]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I wish I had of thought of saying that! It would have sunk his battleship lolol. I had a habit of resting my reins in a semi open hand when we were on the rail and he hated it when I did that. I told him that I wasn’t even aware of doing that. It’s kind of like training yourself to not have a death grip on the steering wheel for long drives.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@sassy6292 I love sinking battle ships

[@lilmissstfu1126]

People always question why I ride with chains that attach at the rein ring and go to my reins. They see the chain and think cruel, idiots, it's not even touching the horse and it is probably lighter than leather. Why do I use them? I like the feel. That is my excuse. Not sure what the intended use is for them? Grrr.. Maybe I am old but I do not see them used much anymore.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

no not many people use them anymore

[@Mike-xb8kq]

They are a leftover from calvary so your reins couldn't be cut

[@Mike-xb8kq]

Chains are A holdov Er

[@Mike-xb8kq]

Ill try again I'm old and not of the computer age rein chains are a holdover from calvary specificly Spanish calvary they were to keep your reins from being cut on combat

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@Mike-xb8kq sort of, kind of, yes they are but not all together