Salinas Bits: Cinch Length: Saddle Pad Considerations

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[@danemoore2302]

"thats why we won the war" not sure why that tickled me so much but I chuckled pretty hard at that😂

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

well, that joke didn't go over as well when I lived on the Rez.

[@danemoore2302]

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[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

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[@dylaningle3113]

This one made me really chuckle. Several times. Thanks.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

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[@CGunRanch]

I want to thank you and your wife for making these videos. Your opinions about what has worked and hasn’t worked for you are very educational and entertaining!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Thanks

[@mcaleerranching1808]

Brett, I totally agree a shorter cinch is better. Unfortunately, most tack stores think everyone is a team roper, and it's hard to buy one off the shelf that is under 30 inches. I always ride with a breast collar. I had it come in handy twice when I had rigging failures while roping cattle that were about 1700 lbs. Yet, some folks like them, and some don't. To each his own.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I agree. I have been in more wrecks with them but I know guys that won't ride without them.

[@barrynelson634]

Great video. Not that it matters but I agree with you on all points....'cept maybe on breast collars. I've seen riders kept from going under a horse because they had a breast collar on. Obviously a rider error with tack to start with, but I'd rather see folks be safe rather than sorry, but I certainly see your side of it too. On cinches, my Uncle used to say, "I've never seen a horse get latigo sored"...😆 Just words of an old cowboy. I use 26" on my 14-14-2 HH horses, fortunately in all these years I've never had an issue. I also prefer mohair, they clean up nicely, even when packed with mud from working yearlins in 12" deep mud all weekend. Pressure washers are great!!! ☺ Keep up the great work.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Thank you. I know what you are saying about breast collars I just have been in a lot of wrecks with them. I like your Uncle's saying.

[@sallykimsey9020]

As one of the classic little old lady (70+) riders I got an ultralight saddle and love it!! Not to save my horse, but I’m pretty light weight and I can get my horse saddled anytime anywhere no problem. Look like a pro throwing it up there. I do barrel race which how I knew there was such a thing. Interesting about the cinch length. I might switch out my 30”

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

OK I give. Yet another reason for an ultra light.

[@tracyjohnson5023]

Right! I've seen so many sore barrel horses and 90% are ridden treeless. My opinion, the only good treeless saddle is the one used to gallop racehorses. That piece of leather disguised as a saddle is only there to hold stirrups and girth lol. The only time your behind touches the saddle is going to and from the track. Research has shown many times that weight is only a factor for the endurance of the horse after many miles. For the speed factor, weight is only a small factor after you hit 3/4-1 mile. Handicap races prove this out as better horses win consistently carrying heavier weight. I ride in back country with steep hills and don't use a breast collar or crupper. Same with rear cinch. Only need both when roping and I don't. I can say use a pulling type breast collar if you must use one. Cinch length I have a 15.2 hand 1400 pounder, wears a size 2 shoe that I use a 30" cinch on. I have a 28" and 26" for the rest. Trevor Brazile the awesome team roper has a good video on why not to use long cinches.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

All to true. The saddles that race horses are trained in actually do have a sort of tree but they spend a lot more time under them.

[@balancedhorsemanshipllc8339]

I was wondering why I had 150 views on my business page....this explains it 🤣 I have some ideas for another video too Thanks for the shout out

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

you bet

[@emilylewis7642]

So glad you said that to the barrel racers. It needed to be said. Quit obsessing about saddle weight and go train your horse.

[@406dn7]

The only saddle type I've used is the military style trooper saddle. Nearly everyone in the horseback pointing dog field trial world uses some sort of trooper saddle. They are fairly light, mine are 25# give or take. Generally speaking, they are comfortable to ride and don't sore a horse's back. That and they have endless rings to hang stuff from. I'll confess to being in the breast collar and looser cinch camp.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

You know, I had one when I was a kid...good saddle. My point was, well I guess you got the point.

[@Trail42]

They are a great saddle mine was made in 1915 still going strong

[@danemoore2302]

Think you could do a video on hanging saddles from rafters. Was watching a previous videl of yours that you mentioned it and i was curious to see if you do it the same way i was taught

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Sure man

[@modocroughstock5700]

"Nancy" the custom pad maker.. Oklahoma

[@epona9166]

Definitely looking forward to the cinch length video. I'm guilty of all the stuff you cite. Overweight myself, overweight horse (I think it's metabolic because he's not overfed, am dealing with that now) with a wide flat back, saddle that rolled on me. I definitely could be using a too long cinch but before I go get a shorter one, I need some info on what length to get -- where on the horse's side the buckle should be for maximum stability and maximum horse comfort. Thanks!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I will do the video, im just crazy busy. Im putting it on the top of my list. Try Marlboro lights, that's how I stay trim ( sick joke).

[@travisrhyne1289]

Have you noticed/seen that the white spots don't sweat? Recently bought a horse that has them, and no matter which saddle I use/being ridden or not, those spots just behind the shoulder don't sweat.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

True, because the cell tissue is dead and therefore the sweat glands are dead. Like Zombie stuff.

[@travisrhyne1289]

@HorsemanshipAsAnArt that's what I figured. Haven't seen much of it before. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't soring my horse. Thanks for the info!

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@travisrhyne1289 You bet

[@Bushpony]

Just some “over the years” thoughts. You can often pad up a saddle that’s too big, but never one that’s too narrow. Lightweight saddles if well made are great for riders with shoulder issues, please ride well. Tacky tack pads… awful. Reinsman Tacky Too pads are decent, both are waffled neoprene, some horses prefer it. Not just tongue fat or thin, but where is the roof of the mouth? ei: my gelding has a fat tongue and a low mouth, uses a cricket with an uncovered MonaLisa mouth. Mare has avg tongue and high roof, I can throw whatever on her… just food for thought.

[@modocroughstock5700]

Wooly mammoth hair cinch is far better than any

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

I should think

[@modocroughstock5700]

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[@jebediahnightlinger6357]

Well i guess i better cancel my bitless bridle and tree less saddle order from Amazon....

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

LOL

[@epona9166]

Your point about heavier saddles absorbing more of the impact of the rider's weight is really interesting. I'm still thinking that a lighter burden is better for a horse than a heavier burden. But for a given weight, say 200 lbs, you're saying that the horse is better off carrying a 35 lb saddle and a 165 lb rider than a 17 lb saddle and a 183 lb rider? That makes total sense to me.

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

That is what I am saying. I weigh 160-165 depending on how many beers I have had and the heavier saddle absorbed more of the impact of my body than an ultra light. Like you say it stands to reason.

[@tracyjohnson5023]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArtbonus heavier saddles wear the foolishness out of a horse faster lol

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

@@tracyjohnson5023 lol yes

[@chickinpickin1]

Whats your take on fitting a mutton withered horse? The dry marks on her back ( small coffee can lid size) is not from pressure, its the lack of contact from the pad area of the bars. Ive tried all three gullet sized saddles and not one size seems to keep the saddle in place. I can slide my knife hand in the gullet area with no real resistance, I do get the better fit with the 7 gullet. Im a pen rider, and if the mare im talking about wasnt so dang good at the lot, id get rid of her. Its a pain in the butt keeping that saddle solid ( not hot) on her back. Any ideas?

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Not really. I have been around a few like that and all I can say is tight back cinch and a breast collar. As far as getting something to fit, I don't reckon anything will.

[@balancedhorsemanshipllc8339]

I might have a few but no guarantees

[@jth1195]

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This comment showed up. We have not censored anyone.

[@jth1195]

@@HorsemanshipAsAnArt I am very sorry. I made three respectful comments that wouldn't show. I soon after found out I had commuter problems. My guy said it was an operator error. Once again I am sorry.

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@@jth1195 No worries

[@joelhamilton6720]

Stop feeding the metabolic horses for 1 month and they won't be metabolic

[@HorsemanshipAsAnArt]

Dry lot them?