Movie Club - Captain America: Civil War

[@druw7523]

One interesting thing about Civil War, other than infinity war, this is the only movie in the MCU where the villain accomplished everything they wanted

[@Ahjusshi_Brown]

That’s a major reason why I love it, aside from the wonderful character dynamics and development

[@cooperwolfe5478]

I agree with you, and if you think of Thanos as the main character in Infinity War, Civil War is the only MCU film where the main character loses more than what he gains.

[@movietalk4463]

No, black Panther. Even tho Kilmonger died, his mission still went on in Wakanda

[@ChuckDogg]

He also wanted to die at the end.

[@Im_Ish]

@@movietalk4463 the original comment did say "everything". If he hadn't died, killmonger would have had Wakandans taking over every country.

[@SpaceMonkeyHimself]

John, you and Ray are discussing 2 different fight sequences in the same movie. This is why you could do well with an MCU expert... like me. :)

[@lisamortini8567]

Exactly, same film, different scenes.

[@rocket4359]

This movie was the reason i got into the MCU, saw iron man and avengers before but never thought it was a continueing thing, in 2016 i started seeing the Civil War ad everywhere and just decided to check it out, blew my mind how great it was, specially in the final fight i was so emotionally invested, i was rooting for tony to kill winter soldier. after that i rewatched the entire MCU and rewatched Civil War, and with the added back story the movie became one of my favorite superhero movies ever. I love everything the russo brothers did in the MCU. i rewatch it every year and it will always be the #1 superhero movie for me, i honestly have never been so emotionally invested in a superhero movie ever. Other thing i love is they avoided the 'x vs y' movie models, where the 'x' and 'y' fight for the first half and in the second half they introduce a third guy so 'x' and 'y' can team up and fight. by avoiding that they are able to make the final fight more personal and not lose that emotional weight

[@mauropedrosa7317]

Yeah, haters love to ignore the final fight, which was one of the most personal and packed with tons of backstory in cinema history. The middle fight with all the characters was a visual marvel, but the twist in the final one was *chef’s kiss*. The flawless introductions of Black Panther and Spider-Man just consolidate this movie as one of the best of all time

[@MrShaunG]

Sorry I know everyone loves the next two Russo movies but this is my favorite marvel movie to date. So glad you guys covered it again I’m so hyped I’m going to watch it again lol! Just another reason to watch it

[@SimGamingLive]

I disagree with John about Zemo. He definitely succeeded and his actions are the reason Thanos won in IW

[@Im_Ish]

I don't agree with him either. But I gotta respect that his stance has not wavered at all since the movie came out.

[@delix787]

This is hands-down the best written marvel movie in my opinion. To the politics and the beliefs between Iron Man and captain America. Tom Holland‘s peak Spider-Man in this movie was just beautifully executed in one mini arc. The storytelling was executed wonderfully. 💙🖤💙 The fight sequences were also great with the camera work.. Some of the best marvel had to offer. 😇

[@BusterKay916]

Best line from this movie, for me, is "Vengeance has consumed you... it's consuming them....... I'm done letting it consume me." -T'Challa

[@mauropedrosa7317]

Beautiful moment that caps a fantastic movie. My favorite alongside Endgame

[@jermainehaslam5634]

Civil War is still the best Captain America film in my opinion and one of the best comic book movies of all time!

[@mauropedrosa7317]

Correct

[@user-dy4hr4ze2u]

The scene Ray is talking about is when they initially go to capture Winter soldier in his apartment.

[@gronagor]

Tony never acknowledged authority in his life. This was guilt. This very issue was what Rhodes and Tony disagreed on in Iron Man 1 and 2.

[@nicksmith2010]

It’s funny that Tony talked about needing to be kept in check, when HE was the one that needed to be kept in check. Just like the theme of Iron Man 3, Tony kept creating his own demons.

[@Randompersonfromnowhere]

Probably one my favorite thing on KZbin. Movie club with the 3 of y’all.

[@thomasbdl]

One thing a lot of people don’t seem to realize is that Ultron *wasn’t* Tony’s creation. The AI had always been contained within the Mind Stone. It was planted there as a bug, most likely by Thanos (hence the “I’ll do it myself” line), to take over Earth’s defenses. And Loki’s scepter was held and experimented with by Strucker before the Avengers got to him. Which means it was only a matter of time before Ultron was unleashed upon the world. It it hadn’t been by Tony, it would’ve been by Strucker.

[@Ahjusshi_Brown]

Zemo is *NOT* lame, aside from Thanos he’s the only villain who’s succeeded against the avengers If you’re going by the logic that they eventually got back together, then Thanos is lame by that logic as well bc they eventually undid the snap

[@oliviastratton2169]

Yeah, it literally takes 7 years for the Avengers to reunite. I'm not sure there's any other villain that was so succeessful at their goal. Also, the Avengers split up again right away. So, until a new Avengers film comes out, Zemo is still kind of winning.

[@cbesmer7]

Tony was right about accountability but the Sokovia Accords were forced on the Avengers unfairly without the option of finding a middle ground. Cap hints at this at one point, but is angered when he finds out Tony had already locked down Wanda at the compound.

[@lyconxero457]

In answer to John's point about Vision's shot being perfect, the real problem is that Vision was on the ground comforting Wanda when he should have been in the air helping out War Machine so he was very much so distracted. Secondly, the fact that he even thought to fire a shot like that at such a distance shows that he was not thinking clearly or he surely would've realized that Sam would have had time to dodge and he could have possibly hit his ally. He's got a supercomputer brain after all and any of Tony's other A.I.s could have come to that same conclusion. Finally, the fact that he would use such a lethal beam at all on a former teammate in the air without realizing that it would likely not only destroy his wings but probably also his emergency parachute leaving Sam in the same situation Roadie was in is just even further proof that HE WAS DISTRACTED! Vision was distracted by Wanda which led him to make several bad decisions in the heat of battle and there were consequences for those decisions which bled into the future.

[@Prodigalzson]

Exactly, on top that...he didn't even know what love was, much less how it feels. He'd never felt love before. He didn't even understand what being distracted even meant at that point. So yeah...distraction.

[@isaacbeeby2528]

My best Bernie Sanders: I am once again asking for the following films as episodes of Movie Club: The Shawshank Redemption, Back to the Future, Pulp Fiction, A New Hope, Terminator 2: Judgement Day, Logan.

[@b6k66]

The argument John makes for the villain in this movie , as to how improbable it would’ve been to have pulled off everything he set out to do making the Dylan weaker… I did not also be applied to the dark Knight too?? As the joker’s plan would have had to rely on a similar set of circumstances ( gets caught at the armoured car to be brought to the police station to be interrogated by Batman . ) to be plossable??

[@b6k66]

Jesse Owen Villamor sorry I was lazy last night so I was using voice auto.

[@Gunnie1128]

I love Civil War but doesn't trump the Winter Soldier. So glad you will do WS at some point.

[@thelateescapist8266]

The first place I saw that treadmill fast running effect in was Underworld way back in 2003.

[@bashengatheblackmanta7003]

15:16 l agree with rob, there's more to Civilwar and the winter soldier. To this day The winter soldier is my not only my favorite marvel movie but my fav film period ever since it came out in 2014,because the theme it tackles is beyond that of comic books, it's so accurate to real world geo politics and national security. It ask the question should we sacrifice our freedom for our own security.

[@john-imresingleton555]

This is my number 1 MCU movie! The way they juggle so many things so well in this movie is chefs kiss. The scene after they’re first handed the Accords is one of the greatest written and preformed scenes In the MCU. The way every single person is making a valid point throughout that conversation makes you the viewer question both sides

[@bless1984]

It wasn't old man Steve Rogers who sent him a text. It was Fury. At the end of Winter Soldier, he went underground. Very few knew he was still alive. One of them being Steve.

[@chancylvania]

I don’t know what it is, but every time Rob is just sitting waiting to talk he looks mad as a bulldog. Like he’s about to get up and slap John again 😂

[@jrad410]

I remember back in the amc days they did an entire emergency episode when Civil War was leaked. Good memories

[@remerbulldog5144]

Best comic book movie of all time captain America civil war

[@tomtudorweaver1078]

Honestly I think Zemo in this film is closer to his comic counterpart than most people give him credit for. Sure he doesn't have the costume, he's not part of Hydra, and Captain America didn't melt a mask onto his dad's face, but the core of the comic character is still there. He's fundamentally a character driven by wanting revenge for his family (not unlike comic Zemo and his dad), and is an incredibly smart tactician just like the comics. He has the line 'I have experience and patience, a man can do anything with those' which can easily be applied to either comic or MCU Zemo. I understand the point of Zemo maybe being pointless, you could easily tweak the film and he'd not be needed, but to me I read it as the accords were churning the waters for the team, but it was Zemo framing Bucky that was the linchpin that caused everything to escalate as fast as it did. To me it felt like Zemo wasn't trying to introduce a new threat to the Avengers, hence the whole fake out with the other Winter Soldiers at the end, which to me is why he works. He just needed to move the pieces that were already there, play on their existing flaws, traumas and insecurities, and have them split when he wanted to, rather than introduce something exterior or potentially wait it out, let them fight amongst themselves and risk them potentially coming to a compromise.

[@vegasxd6816]

speaking of war machine. best scene - iron man 2 - war machine guns a drone through the middle and the hydraulic oil just splatters on his helmet. my god. they need to do more with that character in armor wars.

[@Coleees]

That quote from Sharon was from Cap in a Spider-Man story during the civil war event.

[@karabellaellaellaella]

The woman at the elevator scene was more meaningful to me. The actress's name is Alfre Woodard and she and RDJ were in a movie together called Heart and Souls (one of my favorite movies). So that mini reunion made me squeal a bit when I first watched Civil War.

[@UltraZanderPrime]

Man, everyday, I’m watching your channel… it is my new Radio! Kudos to all of you guys!

[@NjK601]

It's to bad, I only found out after the film released that my father used to read Black Panther and a few other comics back in the day, but he never really introduced us to comics as kids, he was 15-16 when they immigrated from Ukraine, so it never even crossed my mind he read them

[@thanos2271]

There’s this old clip of this interviewer that asked Andrew Garfield If his Spider-Man had to choose a side, who’s side would he be on and he said Captain America’s. It would’ve made more sense in my opinion that Ant man and Spider-Man should have switched sides and it would’ve made a lot more sense.

[@aurelius79]

In the fake death universe that is the MCU, I think War Machine not dying but getting injured has had a longer-lasting impact in the movies since as he deals with the injury

[@Footballin111]

That 360/180 comment reminded me of Charles Dance in last action hero

[@latishabuckner8231]

I like Steve but I was team Tony all the way. He was right, that the government were going to want to put them in check sooner than later. Steve just seemed so perfect, like he never struggled with doing the right thing. Tony was more human with his choices and when he was wrong he always tried to right them.

[@cbas593]

The intro of Spider-Man in Civil War is my favorite scene

[@filomenapalesoo8580]

I think it was Fury that sent the text 😊

[@victorturturici4446]

It was back to school

[@SalsaPie]

Vision's distraction was moreso a lapse in judgement in my opinion. He shouldn't have fired that laser at all, but his judgement was skewed by his concern for Wanda. He preferred risking someone else than leaving Wanda's side. It's a problematic side of both Wanda and Vision that we see in WandaVision and What If.

[@wickie5315]

I definitely think it was Sharon that sent the text, she was watching over him during winter soldier and he visited Peggy so she definitely knew of their relationship. Yeah the number was unknown but it’s probably just because Steve didn’t have Sharon’s number saved, there was no reason for him to have her number at that point. I just figured it was her being courteous, she found out because she’s family and let him know because she knew he’d want to know.

[@damonhawk6543]

Zemo did EXACTLY what he intended to do. He fractured the Avengers.

[@badbear6060]

ray looks like the bad guy harrassing the waitress at the start of ol'skool kung fu movies, that introduces the hero by gettin his ass kicked 😂

[@matthewbixby5852]

It's more than likely that steve gave the staff of the nursing home the hospice place that she died. That's what they do

[@jeremyreed4951]

It wasn't until right now that I realized the parallels/callback between ANTMAN fan-boying out over Captain America but realizing to include Wanda as to not leave her out by saying "I know you too, you're great" Then fast forwarding to END GAME where the kids are fans of HULK and Antman inserts himself saying "You want one with me? I'm Antman" only for them to not know who he is. Lol.

[@shinjiitsu6319]

Excellent sequel to winter soldier. In the first captain america he works with the government in a time where he felt they were more trustworthy. He comes into current times and finds out the government is corrupted. In the last film he has to come to terms with that and decide if he will become the arm of a potentially corrupt system or fight that same battle he was fighting in the 40s. Love cap and his is the best trilogy imo

[@christopherlee8989]

The "you move" line was from the civil war comics. Cap says it to Spiderman. In the movie Sharon says during Peggy's eulogy

[@kyo2975]

Sorry but how many times have you guys seen this movie? It's Lagos, Lagos! Not Legos.

[@seanking1044]

Love Robert’s takes. I often agree with his perspectives.

[@mrgibbets34]

I agree with him a fair amount but I’d love them whether I agree or not because no matter what he says it’s always interesting.

[@HARLEMHEFNER]

Robert Downey jr. Was in Weird Science lol

[@plutoniumcore]

Yes indeed. Looks just like the de-aged stark in Civil War

[@milesbosworthmusic]

In defense of Tony's creation of a "Suit of Armor" around the world. "When you can do the things that I can do (creating the Vision), but you don't- and then the bad things happen (Thanos), they happen because of you... enter Ultron.

[@jamesdeziel1468]

John and Ray talking about 2 different staircase scenes

[@Vulcanerd]

I’m Team Cap on most everything else, but I’m Team Tony when it came to the arguments about accountability and being held responsible to publicly elected entities.

[@oliviastratton2169]

They are accountable to "publicly elected entities". It's called "the law". If the USA, or any other government, wants to prosecute any Avenger for any crime they commit, they can do so. They just have to respect that person's right to due process.

[@Vulcanerd]

@@oliviastratton2169 I thought that was the issue, though? There wasn't anyone they were accountable to? And what regular law enforcement was going to put a rogue super hero/villain 'under arrest' or apprehend them if they went rogue? We make new laws when the need arises, we've been doing that for millennia.

[@oliviastratton2169]

@@Vulcanerd "What regular law enforcement [is] going to put a Rogue super hero/villain 'under arrest'". German Special Forces (+ Col. Rhodes) are used to arrest Steve, Sam, Bucky, and T'Challa in this movie. So, it seems military organizations are perfectly capable of arresting supers. We already use the military to go after international terrorists and cartels, so you don't need the UN for that. Besides, the Accords don't create some special enforcement mechanism. They mostly deal with pre-approval, jurisdiction, and sentencing.

[@Vulcanerd]

@@oliviastratton2169Exactly, you're using military, not law enforcement. You're already have to resort to other methods. And Steve, Sam Bucky and T'Challa are not the same as Hulk, Scarlet Witch or Thanos level villians, never mind that those three could probably wreck two or three hundred of any military sent to them at a time. And jurisdiction, pre-approval, sentencing are just part of the parcel, not like those things aren't important, either.

[@oliviastratton2169]

@@Vulcanerd As I said, we ALREADY use the military to go after criminals local police can't handle. You don't need a UN resolution for that. You don't need the UN to sentence criminals. Therefore, jurisdiction doesn't need to be changed. You still haven't addressed who the UN would use to apprehend superheroes that countries can't use themselves. I guess pre-approval is where we might just disagree. I wouldn't trust Secretary Ross to decide when the Avengers should/shouldn't be deployed. And I wouldn't trust the UN either (which I why mentioned their real-life Peacekeeping activities). There are NGOs in real life that investigate and even capture criminals. And NGOs that assist with natural disasters. We haven't needed to create a separate legal system with no due process to deal with them. A better resolution would just be telling paramilitary NGOs they need to coordinate with local/national law enforcement when apprehending criminals. And then maybe encourage Interpol to recruit some super-powered officers to help arrest super-powered fugitives. Actually, asking the Avengers to work for/with Interpol would have made a lot more sense than this whole UN Accords business. There are two criticisms of Steve I think are fair: 1. Maybe he should have helped the German Special Forces capture Bucky instead of helping Bucky resist arrest. 2. He definitely should have told Tony about his parents before the events of this movie. I understand why he didn't want to do those things. But those were legitimately wrong decisions.

[@reannagordon]

Green Goblin would’ve been team cap. “No one says no to me”

[@HeroInTragedy]

I don't understand why people think old man Steve is in the same universe. They clearly defined the way time travel worked in the movie. Just because he doesn't appear back in the same spot he left in doesn't change the way time travel works. Sure it's an inconsistency to have him appear somewhere else but they didn't clearly lay out where you appear like they did the way time travel worked. Maybe he just decided "when I return I will just return at the bench over there and surprise them."

[@Zapdos97]

Same. I mean it's literally shown in Endgame when Tony and Steve manually adjust the coordinates on the time space GPS. Even if it weren't for that, Cap let 9/11 happen? Left Bucky to be tortured? They didn't think it through

[@HeroInTragedy]

@@Zapdos97 yeah you create too many unnessessary plotholes by saying he's in our time-line.

[@Mr.rbfitz]

It doesn’t necessarily break the rules they set up. You can’t change your own timeline, but you can create a new branch. It only breaks the rules if you assume we’re not watching a branched timeline already. Imagine Cap A from timeline A goes through all the things we know, and then at a certain point decides to jump back to timeline B to be with Peggy. It would be Cap A messaging Cap B, and also at a certain point Cap B decides to jump back to timeline C to be with Peggy. It doesn’t break the rules if the MCU is actually timeline B, C, or etc

[@HeroInTragedy]

@@Mr.rbfitz no it just creates multiple time-lines.

[@Mr.rbfitz]

@@HeroInTragedy Yes, which is what I’m saying. It doesn’t work if you assume the MCU you’re watching is the original timeline. It works if you’re actually watching a branch that was created by another Captain America that made the same decision from another timeline

[@mannholloway]

That was Sharon at the funeral but that was from a comic book edited words from Captain America.

[@Utopia39]

I like how both Tony & Cap are informed by their experiences in making their decisions in this movie. Tony felt guilt from his creation of Ultron (which should be noted he did unilaterally) and Cap had just seen that the government was infiltrated by a terrorist organization for the last 70 years and can’t be trusted. The character development is *chef’s kiss*

[@austinwarner4010]

Guys, I’m not trying to be negative, but Ray just doesn’t know movies. When he talks, it takes me out of the moment that John, Rob, Kris, or Erin has just built up. I know you want the “every-man” element, but his role doesn’t even out you guys, it bogs you down. Like man, you’re on a show talking about Cap America Civil War, and he doesn’t know the scene where Steve Rogers grabs the helicopter? Can’t sit through movies that are more than 90 minutes? He seems like a super nice guy, and like I said, I’m just some dude commenting on a KZbin video, but come on man. Everyone else feels like they want to be here, talking about movies in a way to captivate the audience, and he just isn’t that guy.

[@Prodigalzson]

He certainly doesn't know them like an expert, but IMO, so what? Sometimes it is refreshing to hear the opinions of someone who isn't an expert, because MOST of the world aren't experts either. As far as the helicopter scene, it shares ALOT with the Winter Soldier. In both movies, Cap is fighting Bucky, they fall some some high place and land in the water. For an non-expert, it is somewhat understandable that they could confuse the two scenes abit. I don't know. You aren't wrong, I guess it just doesn't bother me as much.

[@siediousswift8088]

That was a cool story about using a treadmill to look like they are running faster. The feeling felt familiar but I couldn’t pinpoint it. (Because I’ve been on those airport treadmills and definitely did not run on them for super speed) 😏

[@wilderfox2]

Both hallway scene and the helicopter scene are in civil war

[@jafilly]

To all the people saying Zemo's plan was weak or redundant, think about this for second... his plan worked the avengers were done... the only reason they came back together was because of Thanos 🤯🤯🤯

[@Ahjusshi_Brown]

In terms of the sokovia accords Cap was right but in terms of Cap choosing Bucky over Tony (not him stopping Tony from killing Buck, just him choosing Buck over Tony in that moment as opposed to simply remaining in the middle) was the wrong move, especially knowing that Bucky killed Tony’s parents That’s what resulted in the avengers breaking up fr, even tho by the end of the movie everyone was on the same page and didn’t have too much bad blood, and them breaking up led to their initial loss to Thanos (and half the universe disappearing)

[@MaemuraLonewolf]

Except that Bucky was Steve's best friend from childhood. And Steve and Tony were combatative since the start. Think back to Avengers, etc. Sorry but why anyone thinks Steve would choose Tony over his lifelong friend and the guy who was there for him when he lost his own parents is beyond me. It doesn't even matter that the Winter Soldier killed Tony's parents. It was NOT Bucky. It was Hydra's mind-controlled killing machine.

[@dionysisnance4204]

to me Zemo broke the avengers with his mind not his body

[@VirtuousContract]

What Zemo is one of the best villains… winter soldier and civil war are my favorite mcu movies

[@BusterKay916]

Strongly disagree with John that Zemo is the "worst' MCU villain. Worst for me is debatable between Malekith, Yon-Rogg and the Deviants.

[@trondmm]

The one thing that really bothered me about Civil War, is that there were no real consequences. It's only briefly mentioned in Spider-Man: Homecoming, and Ant-Man is under house arrest in Ant-Man 2. We never see the Avengers struggling with the outfall of Civil War. There are five movies between Civil War and Infinity War, and only Black Panther and Spider-Man even appeared in Civil War, and neither of them faced any consequences. It would have been nice to have a couple of movies showing how the two sides struggles with operating within the Sokovia accords, and with being on the run. It could have helped if Black Widow had come out in this period, but even that doesn't really tackle the subject.

[@Ryan-zt2xw]

Agreed, man. For starters I think Rhodey should have died from his fall. That would have given the final confrontation more weight. Decent film but nothing really sticks, that’s my biggest gripe with it

[@steves6451]

Thanos won because civil war happened, thats a pretty big consequence. Homie couldnt have beaten a united avengers team

[@trondmm]

@@steves6451 I totally disagree with that. The very first thing Steve Rogers did after the attack in Scotland, was to head directly to the Avengers compund. From this moment, the Avengers were de facto already united. Yes, Iron Man, Spider Man and Doctor Strange were now on their way to Titan. But, this attack on New York only lasted 10 minutes. You can't expect all avengers to be within 10 minutes of Tony Stark at all time. I'm sure they would have been able to capture Doctor Strange, and get a couple of Avengers to follow them, even if the Avengers were united. Besides, this is a very problematic claim, as long as we're discussing fiction. Infinity War was always going to end with Thanos winning. If Civil War hadn't been made at this point, they would still have written it so that Thanos had won. Sure, they would have had to make some changes. They would have had to find another excuse for why half the team were on a different continent. Maybe Cap, Sam, Nat and Wanda could be on a mission in Lagos. Maybe Vision could join them, too. That's about it. All that's missing now is an excuse for why Hawkeye and Ant Man aren't there.

[@chase9573]

Dude I was so hyped for cross bones and he just blew up. At least he made small returns here and there

[@Delli88Burn1]

Its interesting that the troupe of hurting a team a member was applied to war machine. Alternatively, that it(albeit lazy writing) could have been used on Captain America instead with an alternative result... Iron Man paralyzing Captain America, giving him reason to stop the bloodshed. The writers used it in the 2nd act to find a more creative solution to end the film

[@SSJ4Omega]

One thing I will say is I wish they would’ve saved this storyline for an avengers movie. Having this as a Captain America movie kinda points towards the idea is Cap is right and Tony is wrong.

[@SSJ4Omega]

@Oddwolf 799 I don’t disagree with you. The movie did a good job at explaining the different stances these characters had. I just think if it was an Avengers movie, it would have had a bigger impact for the story because the audience would have to choose who they agree with. Being a captain America movie points it towards caps favor

[@JaySewani]

@@SSJ4Omega i agree also felt like they nerfed Tony so much he could have easily beat cap and Bucky together

[@JaySewani]

@@Antwannnn Tony had so many bots in AoU had hulk buster too He could have easily called them and won this fight but it was a cap movie so 😐

[@JaySewani]

@@Antwannnn or he was just nerfed lmao

[@Zapdos97]

Without oversight they should at least take responsibility for their actions. It's as Tony said, no better than the bad guys by just doing what you want without consequences. Steve's negligence resulted in people dying in Lagos, without Wanda there would've a higher death count. What then? Business as usual? What if your newborn got vaporized? Of course matters like Loki or Thanos are different, you need the Avengers but day to day work needs to be as organized as possible.

[@Hockeyhobo89]

Really enjoyed this but Ray still bugs me. Why does he sleep through every movie? Why can’t he get his point across? He can’t even remember what scenes are in the movie he just saw

[@btothekfromg5973]

To Zemos plan... I agree and disagree with John on that... Zemos plan to let the avengers tear themselves apart... has big flaws... However... i feel like the point of making Cap and Tony fight and hopefully kill each other was a sudden idea sparked of finding the tape of Bucky killing the starks. Before that Zemo didn't care about the Accords or the Avengers... at least not as top priority. His goal from the start were the 5 Winter soldiers... If the first hydra agent would have told him the mission report, Zemo never had to blow up the UN meeting, never framed Bucky for he didn't needed to get him out of hiding... yet. Zemos plan for the majority of Civil War was to find and kill the other Winter Soldiers. Only after this was done, the next group of Super powered beeings became the next target. I still think the only Real problem was making it look like Zemo wanted to lure Cap to the last facility as part of his plan... that's were it fell apart. If they had made it the way that Zemo Was surprised to see them Show up and improvised the Video to secure his escape would have made much more sense and would have been much more in line with his character, intelligence and motivation. For we know Zemo is patient... just imagine if he got the video and went off... leaving him with all the time he needs to create and prepare a real plan to split the Avengers...

[@ahmedsulz8265]

I understand we’re all film fans and respect each other’s opinions however Johnny Weiners comments made me lose brain cells

[@alexserrano9682]

He prob said all that jst to troll John lol

[@Phyrrax]

@@alexserrano9682 Or atleast so we hope...never underestimate dumbness...or lack of common sense in this case.

[@ahmedsulz8265]

@@alexserrano9682 bunch of idiots out there man not hard to believe he was being genuine

[@ahmedsulz8265]

@@Antwannnn can’t take people serious when they don’t appreciate this movie

[@Utopia39]

Lmao I was thinking the same thing, and I didn’t want to down his opinion, but…that take was just so bad😂

[@ibrahimkalmati9379]

We create our own demons This quote is perfect explaination of villains like zemo and many others in MCU

[@alexconn2675]

Do a Movie Club on Fight Club

[@HARLEMHEFNER]

Without this film we don't get endgame. Thanos Beats the avengers because their fractured in infinity War. This movie stands on it's own but it's truly an origin how the avengers loss. Yes they won at the end of endgame but at what cost. People lost five years Tony died. Cap retired

[@allenpeaks1943]

It definitely was Sharon...she knew but he didn't

[@DARTZZZZZ]

Avengers 2.5

[@Zapdos97]

Cap was in an alternate timeline bruh. Otherwise why let 9/11 happen, or leave Bucky as is. Perfectly explained in Endgame how it works. The time space GPS allows him to go wherever whenever, he didn't need to appear on the platform.

[@oliviastratton2169]

Yes, thank you! So many people misunderstand this.

[@siediousswift8088]

I’m so excited for The Lord of the Rings trilogy being next! 😁

[@donsmith6722]

This movie is a masterpiece even with a lame villain lol. But please guys tell me you noticed the tiny connection Marvel did with the Black Panther and Hawkeye scene. 'I don't care'....Then in End game Hawkeye is protecting the gauntlet, is about to be trampled then, BOOM! Black Panther drops in with a energy blast to save him...." Clint.. Give it to me" the Mcu is Incredible lol

[@wendyuncharted]

Daniel Brühl is brilliant as Zemo. My favourite

[@joshcollins210]

Plot line is so close to batman v superman it's just weird, same themes and plot in most cases throughout most of the movies.

[@marcuscombs2556]

Let’s all be honest, Tony wins that fight if Bucky isn’t there

[@siediousswift8088]

Of course, that’s why he’s there.

[@alfirojascornelius6542]

The 80s movie is less than zero. I loved all the 80s movies 👍

[@miguelfmyers]

After a rewatch it doesn’t live up to when I first seen it for sure. Zemo really doesn’t work for me

[@sanchayansarkar2953]

I wish there is a movie club on Lord of the Rings.

[@asianforever621]

He said eventually they will. He mentioned it many times on the show

[@mannholloway]

He was in Weird Science rob, he was one of the bullies.

[@dionysisnance4204]

agent of shield season 4 was going on during civil war

[@MrGeoff-iv6re]

Season 3. Doctor Strange came out during season 4.

[@TheHannahcast]

Also, to counter what Orange Hand says, there's a HUGE difference between controlling the spread of a virus and whether governments should or should not limit the actions of super-powered beings. Super-powered beings are people who can make the responsible choices to limit casualties. A virus isn't autonomous, it will 100% spread if it's not kept under control. If you cough on someone, the virus doesn't choose whether or not to latch on to the person who was coughed on, it WILL latch onto them. The person who coughed made the choice to cough, but the cough itself isn't the danger. The virus that is released because of that cough is not only the danger, but because the virus isn't autonomous, you can only control it with certain guidelines and rules put in place. A virus' only role in life is to reproduce more of itself in any way it can.

[@OrangeHand]

Super-powered beings don't always make responsible choices. Because they have great power, any mistakes they make have a much greater impact. Is it okay for them to subject an entire town to mental torture as a means of coping with grief? What happens if they decide that they should be running things and suddenly there's an Injustice-style world? Imagine if Homelander or Stormfront existed in the MCU, would they make the responsible choices?

[@TheHannahcast]

@@OrangeHand Then you hold that super-powered being responsible. That doesn't mean crime is legal for them.

[@OrangeHand]

@@TheHannahcast How do you hold them responsible, especially if they resist arrest? The Justice League cartoon explored this issue by acknowledging how Earth wouldn't stand a chance against the League if they went rogue, so certain government entities create contingencies for that outcome, which often went wrong but even Batman was forced to acknowledge that the concerns about keeping superheroes in check were justified.

[@jasontwiner5214]

I love Ray and he is a sweet guy and I think he’s great on TJCS, but I really wish he wasn’t on these Movie Club videos. I know they want an ‘every man’ but Ray completely kills the momentum and bogs down the show when he tries to interject with John and Rob. I’ve tried to get into Ray being on these videos, and after the Aliens episode, I was gonna give him another shot. I haven’t broken the 10 minute mark yet and he’s already derailed the momentum. Ray, I love you my movie dude, and I love seeing you on TJCS, but Movie Club, I just don’t think it’s your wheelhouse.

[@MrHam9513]

Unfortunately, I completely agree. His incoherent ramblings are a major distraction. He is a really nice guy with a great personality, but his lack of retention, understanding, and insight can really drag down the quality of these discussions.

[@gronagor]

The sound of Civil War was strange. It sounded like they filtered it slightly to remove some recurring noise. This was very noticeable in the airport scene. Other than that I really enjoyed the film.

[@marcboss6]

Winter Soldier is a better movie.

[@aaronzubia7931]

Would love to see a movie club episode of Batman Vs Superman dawn of justice it would definitely be a interesting discussion

[@masonbernhardt1991]

Team Cap !? What!!!

[@MarkSmith-cg3sh]

Great Movie Of 2016 by far. And of course Scarlett Johansson is so hot in this movie as Black Widow!

[@vesnalukic9898]

Avengers didn't split because of political, or even moral reason. They split because of simple human reason.Cap's betrayal.And that's why Zemo won. Without him, Cap, and Natasha would never tell Tony the truth.

[@taylorosborne3383]

7:27 the right Tony has is being a super genius!

[@lyrad4584]

Zemo is the lamest villain? what the fuck. id disagree to you bruh!!!

[@dionysisnance4204]

Zemo's revenge was justified

[@Zombotron5678]

He killed (directly and indirectly) how many innocent people, between Laos, the UN bombing, and breaking into Bucky’s prison? Yeah maybe if it was just a feud he had with the Avengers, that’s one thing but he killed so many people to get his revenge, not justified

[@MrHam9513]

As it aged, my feelings towards Civil War are that it’s really just a finely polished mid-level MCU film that relies on recognizable characters, incredible set pieces, and frequent setting progressions to distract from its many flaws. Fortunately, not many of its flaws are too noticeable the first time you watch it, so it’s still much better than something along the lines of Dawn of Justice.