Moving wingssystem with Wii controller | part 9/14

[@ordessasam]

I would spend my entire life savings plus money from selling house and everything I own to get a working one of these, I wouldnt need a house, just a NEST! BECAUSE I WOULD BECOME BIRD MAN!

[@darkwingbird]

So in December, when he posted video 9 of 14, he knew he only had 5 more videos to go before he accomplished his dream. Sweet! I wish life worked that way.

[@tylerthomasiii2171]

damn the haters....Fly on!

[@yccmo]

true. it's all bout money ^^

[@HouseholdHacker]

This is so very cool.

[@MrPieta777]

Real-simulation between the wings and the hands...very, very interesting and good pioneer-job!!!

[@CrimsonHawk10]

Keep up the good work! Cant wait to see if it works!

[@adoradoresverdadeiro9356]

Parabéns gostei 👍 dessa envessao Ela está a venda?

[@MrDin70]

Why not using only finger for sensor

[@TrueSoreThumb]

1:14 "It flies." "It moves?" Why are you asking? it's in your hands and in front of you. :| Sigh.. I didn't want to believe this was an elaborate hoax, but now I hate you guys...

[@TerraPosse]

For complex animations I'd prefer to use Maya or 3D StudioMax because the animation capabilities of SW, ProE, Inventor e.t.c. are sufficient for straight forward mechanisms but not more. The models could well be generated in any of the engineering CAD programs and then be exported. Not that unusual. So, what exactly is your point here?

[@yorumnachung]

Got to have good stamina to flip like a bird

[@larrygranados4474]

I'm going to make my own!

[@HVYMETL]

Why do you want a WII to move the motors. Why not simply control the motors with your arms?

[@chrismofer]

wing is moving backward in the live action demo.

[@Sadnov]

how wonderful!!!

[@palttupaa]

I don't see the poles from the reflection in the window

[@L2FlyMN]

The wing design needs the elbow and wrist joints attached, as in a real birds wing, better seen in the wing of an eagle. The shoulder joint moves both down & back simultaneously, in the downward cycle, & can be locked out for a glide to conserve on energy needed. During the upward cycle, the elbow & wrist retract, as they efficiently cut trough the air, getting ready for the next downward cycle. The wingspan & wing area, must be calculated to compensate for the weight of the body being lifted. The wing design with proper angle, locks the two outer joints in the downward trust position, then relaxes them as that downward thrust is lifted.

[@JimmyNahlousVisuals]

@ryanistheryan Glad someone understands, you are also correct! as humans, we tend to turn our attention to things that change drastically, like if you are looking at a house with 5 windows, and suddenly someone closes the blinds on one window, you will immidiatly turn ur eyes to look at what changed. apply that to what you said, the BIG poles flapping infront of you would be the things you would look at. why didn't they look at the poles? because they werent there.

[@JimmyNahlousVisuals]

@645524pasto Thinking about it, using Maya will show you how it works.. however, its more like showing you how you WISH it would work... Solidworks would show you if it is POSSBILE to get it to be working like that. in Solidworks you can simulate a gun, gunpowder exploding and the forces that it produces and the reaction of the parts in relation to that. whereas in Maya, you can just animate the the trigger moving, then animate the springs and the bullet etc. so yeah I think i am right.

[@JimmyNahlousVisuals]

This is CGI as well.. no one will use Autodesk Maya to simulate the mechanics of an engineering product, you can use Solidworks and such to work out where the stresses and weakness can be found. seeing the way that girl was holding that thing, you can see the "match-moving" is well done, however nothing of that size, unless it weights less than a kilo, can move so subtly [im talking about the jitters of the mechanism such as at 0:51 - 0:59 ] Also the materials are not photorealistic

[@generalcrow]

@jarnosmeets80 The difference between flight and glide is: Flight overcoming gravity and aerodynamic friction. Glide using gravity to overcome aerodynamic friction. This is should be called Wii controlled glider. Will not be powered flight until he can prove it can take off from a standing start. Planes only glide as they come in to land.

[@DanFrederiksen]

I say it's fake because it is, not because I'm petty. I can and have done really great things. I also do computer graphics for a living plus I have a keen sense of newtonian dynamics. my confidence that this is fake is in the high nineties. for the sake of argument you could say 100% certain. the irony is that it wouldn't take that much more effort to actually do it. some RC motors are super powerful, just needs a stronger joint, more degrees of freedom and more sophisticated control. and a tail

[@Reticuli]

Wait a minute, why is she looking at the middle the whole time and he's telling her what it's doing? Why is she not looking at the arms moving? Her eyes are not tracking around at the motion occuring, like she's holding something center and there's nothing else to look at. I don't know, folks. The central load-bearing circular joints do look mildly CGI and glossy, but digital video can sometimes make real stuff look like that, too. He could be controlling CGI with the Wii remotes. Ground tests?

[@Larknok1]

@Valca000 Critical thinking and this are entirely different. In order to determine if this is fake or not, it requires knowledge of engineering, which honestly, I do not possess, but I do possess critical thinking and am an atheist. I must ask you, why is it impossible that this device could weigh just 2-3 kilos, hence the ease of the motor in lifting up and down? And then why is it impossible for a wingspan of 15 feet to overcome gravity? I'm lost, explain.

[@DanFrederiksen]

there is a reflection but the reflection seems too long relative to her body size. the sound isn't right either. at the last upstroke the wing precedes his motion and the sound. and the last down stroke which is slow the pitch is much the same yet stays longer meaning it would go through a longer gear range. it's a pretty decent fake but still makes them douche liars

[@DanFrederiksen]

I have mad leet AI skills. I can actually make intelligent machines. but something as seemingly insignificant as pain can never be done in a physical system. ever. and I know the singularity concept. just saying that word doesn't make you smart. I am the one who knows.

[@Reticuli]

I'm not going to discount it based on the weight. For all I know, it's got the harness weight belt around her or it's up against her waste, in which case the length of her arms would be pushing the rear of it against her body as a bracing.

[@g60force]

Sorry but this IS CGI, if not? Than PROVE it... Only the I'll post a video, breaking one of my most awesome customs! (ea. sorta like eating a hat) Indeed reflecting is missing and I could go on and on, but the effort you guys make = awesome!

[@tobyarmbrust8260]

How did he get it so that the wings moved with his arms?

[@sabata2]

look to her right, or our left of her. You'll see just the wing part moving. It doesn't look like it's the correct placement for a reflection, but your statement that "there is no reflection" is flat false.

[@DioDioMadrid]

FAKE: The arms of the device that holds the girl are not reflected in the window. When the boy's hand passes behind the mechanical arm, a light green halo appears. But most obvious scenes appearing in the videos 13 and 14.

[@yonex310]

you can see the shadows of the machine moving on the left side of the girls head. just saying

[@Iseekoutthetruth]

wow ! I think by using this set up you could help some one who cannot walk to walk again let alone fly.

[@andrewlambrecht5113]

I didn't say this HAS to be CG, but just look at it, you can tell the arms are CG look at their edges, and the movement compared to how she is moving the 'base.' Sure it could be done without CG, I was just commenting on how obvious it is to me that the arms are CG, they look as fake as they are!

[@DioDioMadrid]

@rfbritton You're right, But also it is found that the reflection of man does not correspond to his movements (1:29). 3ds + After effects.

[@burningsponge]

please don't compare this to religion, we have nice people making nice comments until one person has to shit all over everything.

[@OhhBiscuits]

I think the same about people who think this is fake. I haven't seen one person who has said it's fake and gave a good reason to why.

[@clonn]

@jarnosmeets80 Dunno, see the device in detail. It seems to have no weight, and it doesn't seem to be affected by lights.

[@Suro_One]

I can clearly hear from your English accent that you're Dutch. You should call it Ikarus and make it mountable and bigger.

[@saulosouza6002]

Magnífico com conhecimento e sabedoria o homem é capaz de realizar coisa inexplicável Graça ao nosso Deus !!!

[@bazgunn18]

Maya is a major 3d modelling/animation program designed and produced by Autodesk. They have a number of different programs. It roused suspicion because usually for engineering and architecture people use CAD which is specifically designed for such uses. Maya is the industry standard and is used more for making digital art, and even CGI. Many major films such as Avatar have used either Maya for various scenes or just creating objects of their movies. Guy come out and said it was fake anyway.

[@sponjiraggae]

Where did I say I knew anything about physics ? Way to jump me without catching the actual point I was making in the comment. I didn't state whether I thought it was fake or not, a great achievement nevertheless, very well done and fairly realistic CG animations.. at the time of the comment I said I was not sure about the videos validity.. after I did some research I discovered that indeed it was CG animated.. still it's a pretty elaborate and well thought-out fake.

[@MJJ12337]

All these Wii controller things are cool, but... are they necessary? The only thing you wanna control is the motor speed, right(the flapping mode seems to be fixed by design)? The way you did it is:flap your arms, use sensor to tell how fast you flap your arms, micro controller receive the sensor signal and tell motor how fast it should rotate. Well, fine, cool. But why not directly use some kind of pedal or handle to control the motor? This way you can even free your hand to sth else...

[@christophermatuszak681]

@TomWojtk if you watch the video carefully you will in fact see the shadow of the wing mechanism to the right of the girl (our visual left her actual right) I have scrutinized every single one of these videos on a HD level and also have the capabilities to see what software and compilation options were used on the video. I downloaded each video and found that I can not in any sound mind deny they are in fact building a wing mechanism. I am examining the latest video from the test flight for

[@jeroenlanen]

Dear Jarno, I like your viral videos. But a REAL engineer would have simply used a simple mechanism and a potmeter to define the angle of your arms, so it could output it WITHOUT DELAY to the wingservo's. And explain why you arent hired by FESTO already? They are leaders on innovative mechanical sollutions and they could only manage to get a 'tiny' 2kg bird flying. But I admire all the effort you put in to this project, en ik hoop dat het een leuk afstudeerproject was.

[@ryanistheryan]

@TheBBoyJmE I agree. Something to note, as far as acting goes, they are all using the backpack as a reference. In real life, you would be paying attention to the giant moving rod right in front of you. It is moving a lot more and would be more noticed then the exact center of movement, which is little to none compared to the tubes right in front of you. Also, with the movement of the device, the device would produce at least minor movement in her hands that would match the wing movements.

[@BrownanDownable]

The wings won't move exactly as his arms do. Because the wings are designed and programmed to move in the up and down S rotational pattern that mimics a birds way. That way he doesn't have to focus and flapping his arms exactly the same all the time. He has to keep an eye on his battery life, and concentrate on other safety measures. Trying to multitask like that while trying to perfect the way a bird flaps will inevitably result in a catastrophe.

[@bazgunn18]

He said "believed" in God so he may have been referring to people in the past. In that case, yes the most brilliant minded scientists of the past generally believed in God such as Isaac Newton, Piticus, Planck. List is pretty long. Doesn't prove the existence of God at all of course, just makes his statement right.

[@nyckloo]

Fake: distortion around the wings (watch the wind on the left), they are wearing black (to make it easier to CGI), and the backpack device is obviously on some kind of stand. you can tell the backpack is being supported because the girl moves really weird in the beginning and she holds it weird. plus! her pants don't fit at all!

[@andrewlambrecht5113]

I can't believe anyone thinks this is real. You really can't tell that the mechanical arms are computer generated?!? If that is not obvious enough, just look at the reflection behind them, the left one from the cameras perspective is longer in the reflection than the "real" thing.

[@sponjiraggae]

This is indeed a great achievement. Thought something makes me feel skeptical, not even all the people saying its fake but just the videos themselves. And I want to find out more about it, Im not on either side of the barking competition but doing research, being curious.. nothing is obvious here.

[@Alpinwolf5]

See Gizmodo for a good deconstruction, with high praise for the artists from CG professionals. And still unanimously declared, and then demonstrated, as a CG fake. They identified the software in the computer model as Maya, for instance, and not an engineering CAD.

[@accendo2k9]

@samvanprooijen I'm not sure the problem is going to be the speed of the motors but the sheer size needed to get a man of his size up off the ground. Look at any bird and look at the size of their wings compared to their body. Not to mention that birds have hollow bones, Humans kinda don't....

[@jasminhotel]

They added the reflection of left wing but they forgot to add the reflection of the right wing in mirror.

[@puellanivis]

I don't see how this video has to be CG... it's not that hard to hook a robot up to flap like that... then you just have someone behind the camera, or off screen somehow, just working a joystick to the guy lifting and lowering his arms... voila, movie magic.

[@Gadgetmall]

Im reporting them for False accounts to twitter and facebook . totalaly wrong fooling the entire worl .

[@everyone]

umm look again yes there is lol it's just dark .. you can see it better at 1:08 on the girls left side

[@Ultimaniacx4]

Yea also the way it stays completely stationary in her hands even as the arms are moving quickly. Then it's a dead giveaway when she asks "it moves?" She's asking if the model is gonna be moving post-production.

[@GBVenkman]

@HVYMETL His arms can't duplicate the locomotion of a bird flapping its wings which is specific and needed. Also, his arms dont have the power needed for sustained flight if I understand his reasoning correctly.

[@Gadgetmall]

Fake . look at the site in the file and foll0w their link for the Announcement humanbirdwing . com

[@theCOREYCOLAK]

Don't compare this to christianity. If you really did critical thinking, self evaluating, and research you'd see that the most brilliant minded people believed in God.

[@hergabri]

people, i am not saying your stupid but if u look at the window u can see the reflection of the wings. it is not fake... why are you so skeptic

[@madhatter42o]

Look at the reflection from the window behind her. The reflection has completely different movements. or no movement when the wing is moving.

[@dredwardo8]

when i first saw the video were he actually flies i thought it was fake but watching all the other videos makes me think it might be real.

[@janegak]

IM FROM HOLLAND, YESTERDAY HE TOLD HOLLAND (THE NETHERLANDS) ITS FAKE, OFFICIALLY HE IS FLORIS KAAYK A PROFESSIONAL FILMMAKER/MOVIE-MAKER

[@madhatter42o]

between 1:16...1:30...she nearly takes her hand off of holding the machine...three different times. just sayin. guess it levitates too.

[@northerntropics]

Yor are looking at the reflection of the cammera guy. The reflection of one arm of the mechanism is further to the left of the window.

[@cadaverbob]

@cadaverbob Whups, sorry guys - the 2nd link was resized too small to read the photoshop values. Here's an update. imgur(dot)com/RK7IM.jpg

[@645524pasto]

@TheBBoyJmE why will no one use Maya? Why not? Are they selling the product to consumer right now? I think you are just wrong.

[@SerChade]

Amazing... If it works and the price is right, it will sell and you could just possibly start another branch of flight transportation!

[@DonPomponioFlato]

FALSO: Los brazos del aparato que sostiene la chica no se reflejan en la ventana. Cuando la mano del chico pasa tras el brazo mecánico, aparece un suave halo verde. Pero, las escenas más evidentes aparecen en los vídeos 13 y 14.

[@theoneechanman]

These sorta things have 'different' uses in Amsterdam...

[@brhino98]

very well done, but you have forgotten possible shadows on the ground and the reflection of the machine on the window.

[@kiddem17]

@TheBBoyJmE maybe the reason people didnt succeed before is because they didnt use autodesk maya? stop doubting this guy.

[@christophermatuszak681]

discrepencies as well as the compilation options and signatures. I will post the results of my test in just a few hours.

[@1980PintoMan]

What does it matter about his muscles when he's only moving a wii controller? Otherwise, yeah, I think it's a fake.

[@ImSofaKingGood]

There is no reflection of the right wing pipe. The left wing pipe is reflected, but not the other. This is CGI.

[@SquidOfLegend]

Why does she ask, "it moves?" if there is a huge wing contraption THAT SHE IS HOLDING moving in front of her?

[@guxit]

@zatanpapasote He's dutch.

[@rfbritton]

@DioDioMadrid I see the arms in the window behind them just fine?

[@GrindInYOURcore]

What exersise is this called. I didn't see it on wii fit. Looks challanging tho. I'll stick to xbox

[@Spacerboy]

why not controlling it by thoughts? would be less exhausting....

[@jasminhotel]

dude, I agree with you one troll is enough to ruin everything.

[@bounceeer]

i will buy your system after its finished, price doesnt matter

[@pantherz74]

if he had ps3 controls ,who knows , he could of flew to Australia. flight tickets anyone?

[@BrutalDave89]

En toch heb ik het idee dat ze de vleugels aanstuurt met knopjes omdat ik haar duimen soms zie bewegen. Zou je nog wat kunnen filmen waarbij je ziet wat ze doet op de controller? Natuurlijk erg tof als dit wel echt is! Ben alleen een beetje huiverig omdat het bijna 1 april is ;)

[@DanFrederiksen]

assuming we are just machines doesn't make it so. and indeed pain is proof that we are not. you don't have to compare mine to yours for yours to be real. proof by example. one is enough.

[@ABfan97]

Lol, the finished product is already put up.. LOL /watch?v=GYW5G2kbrKk&feature=b-mv

[@TomWojtk]

There is no reflection in the window, its only the girl holding a box but no wings.

[@Reticuli]

Yeah, she asked "It moved?" Of course, can't she see it?

[@shank1020]

Look behind him a 0:58 There is no reflection of the mechanism in the window.

[@jasminhotel]

very good observation sir. mystery solved, it's CGI,

[@hirodagger]

@palttupaa yes you can. i think you need to get your eyes checked out.

[@Sholps]

Thumbs up if Household Hacker brought you here!

[@rbrine01]

So sad...At least Space Bat was real. *Sniff*...RIP Space Bat.

[@crazymike65]

I am crossing my fingers for the 'moment of truth' to be a yes.

[@Reticuli]

Darn, only heavily-compressed 480p upload.

[@edmendez94]

there is reflection , u blind??Try watchin the vid in 480p

[@edmendez94]

There is ,u blind dude?? try watching the video in 480p