Moza KS Wheel Review - Better than the GT Neo?

[@SlowPokeRacing33]

"so if you're interested in my biased opinion" - respect for this sentence. Drives me mad when reviewers pretend receive kit for free doesn't affect their opinion whatsoever. It's so disingenuous and fake.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

Thanks @saffaboy2007 I try to always be as transparent as possible, its a tough one as getting things for free or loaned helps me to bring more content to the channel, and lets me learn and experience more, which I try to share!

[@nativerezmedia]

Had the KS with the Moza R12... Both were good. I can definitely say the GT Neo is a better buy. More bang for your buck, more buttons 2 "fully functioning" funky switches, and the thumb rotarys on the grips. Also, the neo has better grips that don't dig into your palms as much.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@nativerezmedia Great to hear from you that you have used both, thanks for commenting! Would you say its worth having both? Why did you end up switching over from the KS and R12?

[@nativerezmedia]

@@MichaelSmithRaces I liked the KS and R12, but I live near a Microcenter and they had a bundled deal on a GSI X29 and Simucube 2 sport for $999.99, couldn't pass it up. Basically $200.00 dollars more for $1850.00 worth of gear. I waited to get my GT Neo until recently because I know of the first batch woes, I haven't had any issues yet and I've been hammering mine. I know Jardier had his before they were released so he definitely got a pre-released one (not sure if that is why his broke tho).

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@nativerezmedia thats an unbelievably good deal as in the UK the sport is more than that alone! Intersting you got the neo when you have the X29? That looks to be a great rim!

[@nativerezmedia]

@@MichaelSmithRaces The X29 is a great Rim, just doesn't have the features of the KS or the Neo, like the rotarys. If the X29 had rotarys I would have kept it. The ergonomics were the best, the grips were perfect, with a nice soft touch rubber. The GT Neo is not far behind, plus I get one extra middle encoder plus the two side rotarys, and a shift light!

[@trevz1048]

Say nice things about our products or we won't be sending you anymore lmao we know the dance well enough

[@ricardoa1661]

i got the KS wheel soon after i got my R5 when i started iracing .i race late at night sometimes and love the "silenced" paddle shifters . i think this wheel is great and a win , now my driving is another story 😅

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@ricardoa1661 do you also have an ES wheel? Do you agree that it makes the R5 feel significantly weaker?

[@SoloWing.]

​@@MichaelSmithRaceshow much weaker?? I'm considering to buy this wheel too

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@SoloWing. Im going to do another video specifically comparing the ES and KS on the R5 base and from my rough maths its 15% weaker, which is probably about how it feels to me, its noticablely weaker for sure.

[@ricardoa1661]

@@MichaelSmithRaces i find the ES wheel feels "heavier" but still responsive . The KS does feel different but don't know if i would say is weaker? i am looking forward to your comparison video

[@goatesque]

Another ace video! Super informative

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

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[@grimbo42]

The KS Wheel is SimHub compatible, when you connect it via USB. 1:00

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@grimbo42 thanks for sharing. I was testing the beta firmware to see if this was implemented, but then I got my new wheel and got side tracked so I've not had a chance to retest and see yet!

[@tver]

Next base: Simagic Alpha Mini?.. The seat you’re looks sleek. What make and model is that? How’s the seating experience?

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@tver good guess but no! Its a Sparco Grid Q, check out my video finding a bucket seat if you are interested: kzbin.info/www/bejne/epqsknyIqstmobs I'll do a full review of the sparco one day! Its excellent!

[@mkatakm]

KS is much better and no downsides at all if you have a Moza base.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@mkatakm yeah its a good option for sure!

[@bokomassine8124]

tnx for video! good luck buddy!

[@thump3r]

In windows you can shut down the usb ports power while in standby mode. In bios you can turn off usb power while shut down.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@thump3r thanks yes I have tried everything and it wont turn off! Even my usb keyboard wont wake up the PC in standby, but it still lights up! My ascher wheel the lights turn off so I don't know, never sorted it!

[@Delllly]

I had the GT Neo with the Alpha Mini and had absolutely nothing but problems. I returned everything for the R12 and KS and couldn't be happier. Plus the software is night and day better than Simagic and overall quality just feels better to me. Just my experience though

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@kkylle thanks for sharing that is interesting to know!

[@smokeybandit1020]

Ok you are different. 😂 You can like and prefer your beetle but for everyone else, a 911 is just better.

[@Delllly]

@@smokeybandit1020 the fact you are referring to Simagic as a 911 lmfao

[@GregoryShtevensh]

I calk BS

[@GregoryShtevensh]

​you dont actually think moza is as good as simagic surely? Dont be silly. Moza is a cheaper option for a reason

[@Xpl0jd1]

With Moza beta software you change all colours in the software, you can also get leds to interact with telemetry data like pit limiter, yellow flag and much more. Guess it’s not far from release.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@Xpl0jd1 thats great to hear! Ill look out for that then!

[@bullit199]

A note on using the hub, it takes 2 USBs into your PC, one for data and one for power. His is not advertised or documented. A bit frustrating.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@bullit199 thanks for sharing, yes thats a fair point it could just be that the KS wheel is OK with the power from my USB port, as its been working fine, but if I connect the shifter and anything else then im sure it will need the USB-C!

[@smokeybandit1020]

Beyond that, the telemetry features with different games is very lacking and not optimized. What games have you tried with this review?

[@smokeybandit1020]

Beyond that, the telemetry features with different games is very lacking and not optimized. What games have you tried with this review?

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@smokeybandit1020 I mainly play ACC, a little iRacing and AC here and there but did not do any specific testing in those looking for issues for the review, another comment said better telemetry in beta software, so I look forward to testing that out in future!

[@tommymurrayuk]

I'm in the UK and I'm looking to buy an aluminium frame cockpit and a seat, just don't know where I can buy a cheap but good quality seat cockpit frame from?

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

My oldest video is on my rig :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXqveYelhZKdkK8

[@garyfacey6822]

Nice review Michael, I have the R5 bundle and the KS wheel. One thing I have found with my KS wheel is that the buttons rattle a lot with high frequency vibrations, its very annoying and makes the wheel feel cheap. I was wondering if everyones KS wheel does this or do I have a faultly wheel. Does your KS wheel rattle just out of interest. Keep up the good work

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@garyfacey6822 I generally drive with headphones, but yes it does rattle. If you see my latest video about my new wheelbase and go to the driving section around half way through you can hear if it sounds similar to yours when I run over the kerbs etc!

[@garyfacey6822]

@@MichaelSmithRaces Okay that gives me peace of mind to know that’s normal for the KS wheel, I find the ES wheel is totally silent which is strange because it’s a cheaper wheel. Thanks for the tip about the headphones. I will try my Bose quiet comfort earbuds 2 which are Bluetooth 5.3 first, hopefully there won’t be much audio delay. If I do have bluetooth delay issues I will try a pair of noise canceling headphones with a 3.5mm audio jack. All the best, happy sim racing 😁

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@garyfacey6822 I use JBL Quantum 350 Wireless I have been extremely happy with them, they are quite cheap and don't have noise cancelling, but I think they are perfect for my requirements!

[@fridayy5378]

great Review!

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@fridayy5378 thanks for watching & commenting!

[@CKSimRacing]

Great review mate. So you're going Simucube 2 Pro then? I'm considering it...or the Moza R21...dunno yet

[@13guns87]

Don't be dumb and get moza. Simucube pro only, if that's the choice. Simagic better than moza. There wheels are OK though.

[@CKSimRacing]

@13guns87 Yeah I guess that's the way to go, you're right

[@smokeybandit1020]

Moza is great for entry level but anyone thinking it's good beyond that hasn't tried others.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@CKSimRacing hopefully coming tomorrow... not as expensive as Simucube 2 pro, but not Moza either :p

[@CKSimRacing]

@@MichaelSmithRaces now that's a tough one, regarding the previous comments...looking forward to it!!

[@vt6020]

I'm glad you brought up the issues with the grips on some of the GT Neos. I've been mulling over buying one as a backup to my GT4 wheel (which I've had zero issues with). Maybe I'll wait until Simagic sort that out. Jardier is probably 10x stronger than I am, but I still don't think a grip should break off of a brand new wheel. Lol The KS looks pretty good, but I think I'll wait to see if the GT Neo gets revised. It's a small thing, but I wish the Moza Hub had a power button. Good video, though!

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@vt6020 yes initially I thought I would buy the GT Neo and have a head to head and I can sell one later if I dont use both, but after seeing the issue with the grips I didnt want to take the chance as I think its probably just a bad batch and im sure they will sort it soon now they have been getting all these reports!

[@hardusbooyse8896]

my ES left paddle broke. maybe i should get this rim. looks very good

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@hardusbooyse8896 the mechanism or the actual shifter paddle? That must have taken some doing! If you are after a GT rim to replace it then yes you cant go wrong with the KS its much better than the ES! My ES vs KS will be out on Friday, wait for that :)

[@hardusbooyse8896]

@@MichaelSmithRaces there is a plastic bracket inside that cracked, the metal paddle attaches to the plastic bracket. they will send me a replacement at least. I'm not the only one with this issue. I use the GT mod with my ES wheel, but its still a bit heavy. with my old t300 I used a aftermarket rim and just that slight lighter rim made a massive difference in the ffb. I think lighter steering rims make a huge difference on these lower NM bases.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@hardusbooyse8896 yes, but unfortunately the KS is wider at 300mm vs 280, which makes it feel even weaker!! Wait for the vid ;)

[@UltimateWobbleBoss]

Not had any issues with my neo so far 😬🤞

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@UltimateWobbleBoss still time 💣🎆😂

[@BeFreeBeHappyJC]

Asetek invicta or alpha ultimate

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@BeFreeBeHappyJC both great options but incorrect! Thanks for watching and commenting!

[@BeFreeBeHappyJC]

@@MichaelSmithRaces simucube

[@mikelvn5410]

I have both wheels. The ks feels better than the moza but I broke paddle shifters and knob 2 times so I gave up on the wheel and bought GT neo. Wouldn't buy moza wheel ever again. But my simmagic neo isn't turning on either as of today 3 weeks old

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@mikelvn5410 thats really interesting information, thanks for sharing it! These two are definitely budget bang for your buck, and they are bringing features from high end wheels, so I guess they have to cut costs somewhere!

[@fjstange.]

I am go to buy the simagic alpha U this month

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@fernandostange2135 nice choice, any specific reason why you decided on that base?

[@maxsports9548]

Top de mais parabéns

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@maxsports9548 Thanks for watching!

[@tobiasfurst-n4d]

hello what monitors are those?

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@user-bp9oj5ly1k Dell G2724D I got them on blackfriday I talk about them in my setup video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nX_ZpIt8qbSNmMU they have been great so far, never had a single reason to think about them since I put them on the rig!

[@philmarsden9594]

got a neo to compare to?

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@philmarsden9594 unfortunately not, in the end I went to the Ascher Mclaren Artura Pro. Love it!

[@glenndjenkins]

The KS design is significantly worse. On the Neo, you can access the QR screws easily. Can't do that on the Moza KS. The RJ12 cord on the Moza KS looses connection over time. I have had my KS for 10 months and have had three defects. Granted, I use a 20 NM base. I doubt you will have the issues I've had with a 5NM base. Point of my comment... if you have a strong wheelbase, get a high quality carbon wheel. If you have a weaker wheel base, you can get a weaker wheel. Common sense (that I ignored 10 months ago :) )

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@glenndjenkins thanks for the comment, you got three replacements?! thats mad! I agree with your sentiment though, pair the right equipment for the best experience!

[@Trex_226]

off-topic question, where is your sweater from haha

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@Trex_226 A spanish clothing company called Springfield: myspringfield.com/es/es/hombre thanks for asking! :) #FashionInfluencer

[@tonygee3284]

I grabbed the GT Neo wheel I just find the moza looks too cheap

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@tonygee3284 enjoy it! Its a good wheel for sure!

[@dauntae24]

Not sure about the KS but the GS feels like a hollow toy compared to the GT Neo.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@dauntae24 interesting to hear that comparison, if you have both you should do a head to head video! No problems with your GT Neo then?

[@fireonmytarget8937]

I'm guessing you bought a VRS base

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@fireonmytarget8937 that would be a good match with my pedals! :)

[@fireonmytarget8937]

@@MichaelSmithRaces I have vrs pedals and wheel base and I love it. I got a SRC button box and put a momo prototipo wheel on it and its 10/10 for me.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@fireonmytarget8937 I've not had the SRC stuff on my radar as im in the UK, i guess but that is a great tip ill look into it! Thanks!

[@fireonmytarget8937]

@@MichaelSmithRaces He also sells a really nice quick release that works with the VRS shaft. It's similar to a bicycle seat clamp. I have one of those QRs attached to a Gomez Sim Industries extension. That goes into the back side of the SRC button box. That gives you a standard 70mm pattern to add any steering wheel onto. I used the 350mm wheel he offers for a while until I received my Momo wheel for Christmas. Carlos at SRC is a pleasure to work with and the button box has held up really well so far. It syncs over bluetooth to my PC and I've had no issues with connectivity. Dan Suzuki had an old vid on SRC that got me looking into them.

[@Bigheadedwon]

Wait, did he mean to say "if you're interested in my biased opinion let's get into it" at the start of the video? lol I can't tell if he was being serious, was being facetious or it was just an honest mistake. I'm all for watching a biased review when I'm bored, but they tend to not be a great source for solid info.

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

Yeah @Bigheadedwon, I was joking, thanks for watching & commenting!

[@GregoryShtevensh]

Gt Neo certainly looks better

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@GregoryShtevensh yeah I really like how the main body is one nice piece on the Neo with the angles cast into it!

[@errolchanner]

defo Simagic Alpha Mini

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@errolchanner I need more POWER!

[@Burnt_clutch89]

That is not real carbon fiber. Its a sticker/hydro-dip. It has done nothing to add strength

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@stever1412 yep its just a sticker, no carbon, but the wheel is very rigid plastic.

[@Ipjotre]

Simucube

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@Ipjotre I got VRS! Love it, but simucube would also be brilliant!

[@RK-io2os]

It looks very cheap

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@RK-io2os yeah it feels better than it looks but I think its the carbon fibre effect that I don't really like?

[@13guns87]

I bet you're the sort of person who looks at a real f1 wheel and says that looks cheap and a toy cos it's so plastic lol.

[@serge933]

I guarantee you it will not feel or look cheap in person

[@MichaelSmithRaces]

@serge933 is right in the feel, there was a section I cut from the vid that Moza have clearly prioritised feel over anything else as I wonder if someone could tell this was a budget rim while using it as in your hands it feels great. I think looks is subjective, im not overly keen on the look of it, but thats not a big factor to me vs how it feels / works, and in that regard it has everything I want!

[@serge933]

@@MichaelSmithRaces I was thoroughly impressed with this wheel, especially for the pice, I also race with a GSI Formula Pro Elite V1 and I never feel like I’m missing out with my KS wheel