Moza R9 VS. Fanatec CSL DD - REVIEW PT.3

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Today we're concluding our review series on the Moza Racing R9 Direct Drive wheel base and GS Formula Steering Wheel with a detailed discussion, reflecting on the user experience, comparing with competitor products such as the CSL DD and GT DD Pro from Fanatec, and wrapping things up with our recommendations.
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Intro: 00:00
MOZA history: 1:29
Mounting: 5:23
Pithouse Software: 7:23
Driving Experience: 14:00
Noise Level: 18:53
Quick Release: 20:15
GS Steering Wheel vs Fanatec Formula V2.5: 24:35
Final Thoughts: 30:15
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[@rollntrollnrollnrawhide9143]

Is the Pricing on their website in AUD or US?

[@boostedmedia]

@@rollntrollnrollnrawhide9143 USD. If you're in Aus you'll also need to factor in import duties and taxes.

[@rollntrollnrollnrawhide9143]

@@boostedmedia yes in Oz, thanks!

[@tehgusbus2716]

Is it free shippin

[@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864]

That non console compatibly is a problem!! At least in my opinion Console was a big miss!! It’s an Infrastructure that Fanatec is basically Alone in!! At least in Mid2high range DD wheels!! PC just has So Many Options!! Why 9NM stuck only PC player base… which is Huge no doubt… But still think PS and XB compatibility would have had consequences for Fanatec !! Would help consumers getting the price down with Competitive Hardware!!!

[@farr1260]

As someone who lives in Asia its quite hard to get my hands on a Fanatec without ludicrous shipping and tax prices. Brands like Moza, Simagic, VNM, Simforge, Frex are probably the only accessible options for most in this region. You're doing us a justice by giving less popular brands a very thorough review Thanks Will!

[@bgdaddy42069]

@jack mehoff i was going to say the same thing i was going to upgrade to some simforge pedals but at 100 plus for shipping that isnt happening

[@DarkChild1758]

@@bgdaddy42069 try living in the Caribbean

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

there also are lesser known chinese brands, but I wouldn't recommend those (like cammun). seems to offer good value, but they can have unexpected problems and their software is bad

[@IcarusMK22]

hear hear

[@briandrielsma7719]

Try living in South America. 🫠😂

[@justaguydoinstuff]

A quick note on their customer service, they have been exceptional to work with. I actually had the R9 but it wasn't quite as powerful as I wanted (coming from an Accuforce wheel) so I asked them if I could upgrade to the R16 and they have bent over backwards to help me even though it's something that they (or any company) wouldn't normally do. They have been very quick to respond and very polite and professional. Could not be happier with my choice with Moza. Oh and the wheel is amazing.

[@justpostedagain]

I second that. I've asked them about Raceroom support and 3 days later they issued it as an update. They seem keen to engage with their users.

[@Fanatec_is_TRASH]

Can't same the same about Fanatec!

[@RacingPotato12]

Same here, great experience! I had a small issue with my R9 (was just one click in software) and they replied within a day or two and helped me solve it.

[@Gino_567]

Customer support is a big thing for me so that's great to hear.

[@Saabjock]

I too am very happy with their communication to date. Every question I've asked by email to date, has had a direct response in one day. Impressive for a new Simracing company.

[@doneilhamilton2163]

Thanks is not enough to say to you and your team for putting out content like this. To me I feel your team should be on TV spreading the gospel of sim racing. This is the best review I have seen on Moza and you even put it up against the CSL DD. I am more than grateful. Please keep pushing forward. Great job guys.

[@Smokabis]

Great way to finish off the review of this wheel system. Thanks for all the info and quality content as always. Cant wait to see what you have in store next (hopefully another immersive race session!)

[@tghh0214]

Your mini series on this set was spot on and helped with my decision to purchase it. You both made some valid points and I just want to say thanks - take care.

[@kevin_m]

Nice job guys great info for anyone in the community looking at getting into a DD wheel base. It’s still a lot of money to part with even when going with “entry level” nm bases so these reviews help provide confidence in purchasing a setup.

[@Mountain_Manu]

So awesome that you go through all this effort to produce so good and in detail reviews :)

[@jackwynne9672]

These reviews are crucial to people when thinking of making such a purchase... thanks so much.. your doing great work.

[@boostedmedia]

Thanks Jack

[@garybond3388]

i have had my Moza R9 and GS wheel for a few weeks now and i love it One thing you missed is you can change the color of the back lit buttons Great reviews keep up the good work guys

[@justaguydoinstuff]

I was just going to mention that as well. There is a wide variety of colors on the buttons that you can access by pushing in both rotator knobs at the same time. The colors look gorgeous and really make this look like a premium wheel.

[@mikey08857]

I have the moza r16 for a month and I absolutely positively love this wheel. The only thing is it take time to get the sliders right for the game but that is with all dd wheels. I have an older gt Omega rig and was only able to use 2 of the 4 holes to mount it since the plate did not have holes and didn't want to drill the plate. It super solid on my rig with just 2 bolts no flex at all. If you don't wear gloves on the alcaterra the point where you keep you hand will start to wrinkle. I'm sure over time it will wear Down. If appearance bothers you then you will need to wear gloves to not wear the alcaterra down or get the leather wheel. It don't bother me since this wheel is better then I expected. I upgraded from a broken t300 that I only had for 3 years, that turned me away from thrustmaster. The difference is night and day, you can feel suspension compression in the wheel it's that sensitive and accurate, I never felt that in my thrustmaster. In all best wheel ever. I had a Logitech g25 tm t300 and now this.

[@tarnishedd]

Im finally getting into sim racing, and your channel has given me a lot of valuable information, thank you!

[@Wadders]

Great video as usual guys. Sounds like Moza are improving in all areas and should not be discounted as a potential new long-term player in the market. On the new format I did prefer the single long format videos that you did but totally understand why you have made the changes. I watch nearly all your content from start to finish anyway, so for me the change does not have a significant impact. Keep up the great work guys you are nailing it!

[@lemondedeleroititi166]

I paused the video al 9:47 to post this comment. I am from the second category. I am not touching that. I just got my csl dd. I am still trying to understand what I am feeling with the wheel. All I can say is that, coming from a G27, it is a lot better. Like worlds apart better. Maybe in a couple of months. I should also add that I just got myself a quest 2. Now I have 2 things to master at the same time. I like my life to be complicated. Keep up the good work.

[@discodan2265]

Such a boon to see so many new manufacturers entering the realm. Competition drives development, pricing and ingenuity. Sim racing just keeps getting better. In regards to the software Granite Devices could adopt some of those ideas into TD. The wheel spring speed & the eq great stuff 👍

[@all_your_baser_belong_to_us]

I will be ordering a Moza this month. Thank you for the fantastic review!

[@carlosnaranjo1559]

Just a piece of advise for anyone thinking about buying anything from Moza Racing. I hope that this is not the wrong place to add this, in case it's not feel free to delete it. I'm not going to give all details about the current situation but I'm force to bring American Express to a legal claim agains this company for totally ignoring several issues with their R9 and the FSR Formula Wheel that I bought a few weeks ago. The main message here is that if you get into troubles with their products you could receive the same unacceptable support I'm receiving which it is currently been totally ignored. The base and wheel are failing since day one. I have been supplying videos and telling them about the shifting issues and the noise coming from the base and they are basically not acting as you will expect (last news received 7 days ago). There are multiple issues with the base and the wheel.... tried all kind of things to make them work but they are somehow damage or something went wrong on the assembling process. This is just a message to let you guys know that you could be facing the same level of support. In case of anyone wanting to know more let me know. I can show you the videos that are showing some of the issues I'm dealing with.

[@randy4903]

22:45 This is something that happened with the CSL DD that I have. One day when I was using it, I noticed the wheel disconnecting whenever I was braking, and I realized this was because I, like many people, pull on the wheel a little when I'm braking, and the shaft had worked itself loose just enough that a little tug on the wheel would disconnect it. It was easy enough to push it back in and tighten that collar up, but it is kind of annoying to have to worry about that.

[@MrNobodylikesyou]

A bit late to this one as been away on business today but great vid! Like the format!

[@gonuts4donuts]

Thank you for your in depth review. I had been wanting a CSL DD for a while. When I finally had the funds to get one, they were sold out. I never heard of Moza until your review. The biggest selling point for me was the FFB was on par with the CSL DD, it looks better, has a better QR mechanism and I think the GS wheel looks better than the Fanatec F1 and GT rims. I went ahead and ordered the white R9 (maybe should have went with black, but I always like something that stands out), the GS rim and the CRP pedals. Hopefully they have some more RS wheels in stock soon. I look forward to their future offerings. Either way, this new set up will be a night and day difference from my G920 wheel and TLC-M pedals.

[@joeyg1463]

Id still use the load cells unless thats what the moza pedals are but they look almost identical to the fanetec v3s

[@mrbiblyboo4034]

@@joeyg1463 they are loadcell

[@meszelosmihai7813]

great job guys! thx for the reviews! as allways very professional!

[@boostedmedia]

Thanks very much :)

Excellent points and follow up. Thanks guys.

[@sharedknowledge6640]

Thanks for a very detailed review. Your depth of knowledge is impressive. It’s kind of amazing these products don’t cost more given they’re fairly niche low volume products and the market is fragmented between several DD manufacturers. I think anyone being critical of this class of products doesn’t have the perspective of a manufacture doing all the R&D, paying lots of upfront costs for tooling etc, and hoping they can sell enough to eventually turn a profit. You can’t 3D print this stuff. You do the right thing by comparing Moza with their closest competitors.

[@Mysticsoldier88]

This is months after the initial release of this video but this helped me decide on the R9, plus now they have a few more wheels so I can have a variety of wheels on hand.

[@gmsnape]

Great video and review mate very informative 👍👍

[@renobtankit6019]

Good vid! The moment Moza comes out with a budget wheel I will be ordering both it and the R9

[@danielgreensides8463]

Great info thanks guys. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦

[@btkb1427]

Just thought I would add a comment, I recently purchased the R9 with the GS wheel (I was coming from a cog driven wheel base), this thing is amazing, it completely changed my experience with sim racing! Now I need to look at boosted media's videos on DD settings! :)

[@thehumblepundit9790]

Did you come from the Logitech stuff? That's what I have now and am eager to hear from people who switched.

[@btkb1427]

@@thehumblepundit9790 Thrustmaster :) T248 to be specific. It really is an amazing jump up, the smoothness and strength is awesome! And the GS wheel is superb as well, I'm very happy with it

[@thehumblepundit9790]

@@btkb1427 thanks!!

[@justpostedagain]

@@thehumblepundit9790 I've just done that jump. G920 to R9. It is a nice upgrade but don't expect too much, would be my advice. In the end the type of force feedback feels broadly similar, just stronger, quiter and smoother. And sims with lighter feedback on my G920, like Raceroom, are now as good as the rest. So it's a really nice improvement, but perhaps not as life changing as some reviews would have you believe, in my experience.

[@thehumblepundit9790]

@@justpostedagain brilliant, thank you!! I'm actually very happy with the G29 right now. I did the pedals modes with the better springs, spacers and insert for the brakes and am having a blast. I'm in no rush to upgrade as I'm buying a PC part by part to put together over the next few months.

[@blacksailsracing]

Thanks for the review! This is what finally tipped me over the edge and I bought the R9 base with RS V2 steering wheel. Can't wait for it to get here!

[@michaelnapper4565]

I just bought the same last night. How long did it take for your order to arrive, and what are your thoughts? I live in the US. Thanks

[@kqeu5161]

@@michaelnapper4565did it arrive? How do you like it so far

[@michaelnapper4565]

@Kqeu yes, and it came pretty fast too. It's a great kit! I was wrong about the website.

[@KaminKevCrew]

The clunk in fanatic wheels is the connection having some play. I haven't used their QR wheels yet, but the clunk can be completely eliminated on the screw lock style wheels by tightening the locking ring slightly past the initial stopping point (the fingers on the inside will slip under the ring enritely and allow you to tighten further) or at least, that's been my experience.

[@oleboy4332]

Bought the csl dd and have had problems. The wheel keeps losing connection as the shaft comes out of the wheel base and loses connection. I loosen the clamp, push the shaft back in and then tighten the clamp. That works but only for a certain amount of time. Very disappointed.

[@geofflangdon4467]

I wonder if the support from Moza is better than Fanatec. I had issues with my DD, and even getting someone to respond to an email was a nightmare. These guys will corner the market by simply having a functional telephone.

[@user-wq9mw2xz3j]

well I have seen a lot of complaints about fanatec support. although cant say about Moza, since it's a much less popular brand so with less customers of course there are less to complain. But I think they are better, simply because they have more time since they have less customers. Fanatec got way too many new customers with the csl dd, cant handle them all

[@RacingPotato12]

They have an exceptional support at the moment AFAIK. I have had great experience with them and I haven't heard anything negative from anyone else either yet.

[@jeffvanstone]

Will, please post your wheel settings so we can try them as well!

[@grayzedynamics]

Good stuff. Justifies my purchase, although I did like my csl dd but the GS wheel is a much better option.

[@kbsmithgaming9560]

Great Review Thank you

[@JoseFcoBN]

Thank you very much, a very complete review, I would say the best to date... The alpha mini review is missing and compare the 3 DDs that fight for the crown, I suppose the Simagic will win... You could also try a USB steering wheel ,since Moza and Simagic sell their QRs for that purpose. In Spain we already have 2 stores and speaking live on Twitch, the manager of the Barcelona store (search for Simufy) said that they will give full support to the customer, and if something goes wrong in 24 hours they send you the new product and collect the defective, without cost to the customer, something that only Amazon Spain does, I consider the best after-sales service on the planet. That makes me rethink whether to buy Moza r9 or Alpha mini, quite a dilemma.

[@Greboth]

I really wish more manufacturers would have console compatibility. As at this level Fanatec being the only option isn’t great. Hopefully one day Moza, or another manufacturer, will release a console compatible direct drive.

[@hnielsen123]

The fanatec clunking is play between the notch of the QR and the groove in the shaft of the wheelbase. It only affect some people, likely due to just QA tolerances not being strict enough. Putting a small strip of tape in the groove to fill in the extra space completely fixes the issue, although to be honest it's pretty silly that that's the only solution.

[@RaGe_74]

I had the clunk in my gt dd pro aswell. I think it is the Ball bearing from holding it in place. I took a piece of a plastic bag to put between wheel and base. No more clunky noise. It is so minimal space that this was enough for me. I only play acc and F1.

[@lolixdepolixx]

Is there a possibility you could do a review or comparison on different sim racing gloves and which ones are best to get? That would be awesome!

[@ilarioloris78]

nice review!! could you share your R9 settings? I would like to try them..

[@lorenzopedrini6332]

Hi Will ! Nice review , I just got one r9 and gs wheel ;) You showed ffb setting for iracing, would you share also for acc? Thanks

[@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864]

I only hear or feel clunk in CSL DD Pro is when I’m playing DR2.0 and have FE intensity at 100 and all settings Turned up!! Never heard or experienced it during Street race games(ACC Ex.). Have 8 NM and all types of QR. Screw, Screw on, and QR! Did have a problem with the Pole coming out of CSL.. guess it got turned and had to loosen adjust and retighten…. Was a big problem till I figured it out!! Exact thing mentioned at 3/4 video!!!

[@markpollock3532]

Great review as usual. I have just ordered a R9 as my T300 died. Can you please attach the settings file for iracing from pit house. By the way I used you discount code thanks.

[@gizmo104drives7]

I hope there is a revisit to this wheel base and wheel to see if some of the things u mention have been addressed in software

[@thehumblepundit9790]

Excellent 3 part series on the MOZA stuff. I'm very excited about the MOZA line, and after looking at their Chinese site, I'm looking forward to reviews of their mid range wheel (at about $250 USD) and pedals (at about $200 USD). If they shine, I will certainly be an early adopter of their mid range line. What other wheels are compatible with the R9? I'd love to know. Thanks for an awesome video series!

[@justaguydoinstuff]

You can use any wheel with a NRG quick release. I have a drift deep dish wheel that i bought an NRG quick release for and it works great! So basically you can use any aftermarket wheel with standard mounting holes, you just wouldn't have the buttons of course. This actually gives it more wheel options than Fanatec since most any wheel can be attached.

[@dollzman]

@@justaguydoinstuff For Fanatec you got the Podium hub that does the same. You can mount aftermarket wheel rims to that.

[@EyeRedDr]

Thanks for the discount.

[@marcusbunce3406]

Gotto say,, fanalabs took me a couple of months to get my head round,, however,,I now have 3 wheels, so the ability to save FFB value per car is amazing,, 😬🙄😤🤪 as long as you organise everything,, Fanatec nails it,, the upgrade from CSW V2.5 to my DD2 was pretty seamless,, ,,turned the force down to75% to start with,, I’ve invested too much to leave,, just waiting for QR2,, 😃 Great mini series,,😃👍🏼

[@nejcmirtic529]

The Fanatec QR1 clunking comes from the manufacturing tolerances in the base and wheel side parts. From my experience, it comes from the "rectangular" notch at the top of the QR. And it goes away when you screw in the locating/retaining screw. It tightens the QR to one side, so it reduces the amount of play in it. And at least in my experience with the Universal HUB and CSW 2.5, when I am driving w/o the screw there is enough play that it can be felt when the wheel is loaded in the corner and you suddenly lose grip and the wheel snaps in the other direction. It feels like for a split second there is no FFB, to use Will's words, almost like the wheel is slipping, but only for like a fraction of a degree and then the hit/tactile clunk after it hits the QR on the other side. But the experience may vary with different bases and wheels, it is quite possible, that I have an abnormally loose base and wheel side combination (I have already replaced the O-ring, to help mitigate that problem a bit). But the screw is the only thing that helps in my case.

[@boostedmedia]

Your description matches our experience exactly. The part that doesn’t make sense to me is that I would expect with that much movement of the shaft relative to the collar, we would see snapped pins far more frequently. 🤔

[@nejcmirtic529]

@@boostedmedia Yes, you've got a point there, it is indeed strange.

[@455vette]

Just ordered mine today as the csl dd wasn't available and I couldn't justify the thrustmaster t-gt ii at it's current cost over one of these

[@justaguydoinstuff]

As a side note that people probably don't realize is that you can use any, literally any, third party real racing wheel with standard mounting holes as long as you buy a NRG quick release for it (about 90 dollars). So I bought a deep dish drift wheel for 45 dollars plus the quick release and I have a brand new drift wheel for 135 dollars! This actually gives it more variety in wheels than Fanatec which doesn't have that option. Obviously you won't have any buttons but for drifting, rally racing etc, you can't really use buttons effectively anyway while you're driving. This was the reason that put me over the edge for buying the Moza and I love it.

[@Wess9191]

Excellent reviews and content as always Will! I have my new cockpit, steering wheel and pedals all set up, any idea when the Fanatec CSL DD wheel base will be available? I want to start my Sim racing experience and am so frustrated with the availability. As always, thanks so much!

[@boostedmedia]

No idea sorry.

[@naterod]

I do believe the DD Pro is currently available for pre-order in the US. I just recently got into this and I lucked out ordered mine a few weeks before it went completely out of stock. When I ordered everything was available even the premium bundle. If all you care about is PC, these moza wheelbases seems pretty solid aside from fewer mounting options but they even sell a brace that allows for more options like side mounting. Honestly if I had a PC I'd go moza no contest.

[@codyzempel5506]

So if you guys had to pick of the 2 if both were readily available what would you choose? I have the Fanatec CSL GT Pro but have been curious about Moza as well

[@aaronmoore5903]

The fanatec clunk can be fixed. By putting a small square of plastic bag in between the QR and wheel base. At the top as is slides on. Shouldn't have to but it does work. Thickness of plastic bag depends on how much play you have. And like the video. Good job 👍

[@boostedmedia]

That’s a good idea and a clever band-aid solution. But as you said, shouldn’t be necessary.

[@butters_senpaii]

Hi, great reviews. What is the bit depth of the Moza R9 encoder? Is it 262k PPR?

[@dollzman]

Fanatec also has an app iOS&Android with tuning and telemetry.

[@slatanek]

I believe the Fanatec QR1 clunk comes from the spring in the quick release catching resistance and releasing it from time to time.

[@boostedmedia]

That could very well be it.

[@yeet8600]

Great Video👍

[@johnmifsud6007]

If I was in the market for a wheel I would definitely consider buying it. The only thing I don’t like is that they charge you express post to Australia, and there’s no way to opt out of that. It does boost the cost by $50.00 bucks. Plus whatever import and gst that will be added

[@somevids4187]

90 bucks to my country (in EU) for shipping...

[@-racingfan2014]

In US I bought from US reseller, us-simmotion. Much better price than buying oversees.

[@-racingfan2014]

Im coming from fanatec and I have a lot of fanatec gear. To me fanatec only wins on console support which you can only get on Moza with some third party adapter. But quality, design, product wise Moza and also Simmagic have stepped up the game. First I got logitech long time ago, then trustmaster, then Fanatec. Each step the previous wheel felt like a toy. But now I can say same with Moza, my fanatec steering wheels and base feel like a toy compared to Moza. My clubsport inverted v3 and shifter are still great though and dont fall into toy category. Buttons are much better than Fanatec. Nice keyboard click vs cheap hollow click buttons.

[@GTALLDAY16]

I’d love to get the MOZA wheel but play on both PS5 & PC. What 3rd party adapters do I need to look for and would I use the MOZA base or will the MOZA wheel work with the CSL DD from fanatec that’s PlayStation compatible?

[@-racingfan2014]

@@GTALLDAY16 Ras1ution 2 you need for console support.

[@darylklotz7032]

Very valuable review. Question. I already have Fanatec CSL load cell pedals. Was planning on getting CSL DD but availability has become quite the issue. Would I be able to use the Fanatec pedals with the Moza R9 wheelbase? Thanks fellas!

[@ConVict2]

Yes, you should be able to connect the pedals independently to your PC through USB as opposed to the Moza wheelbase

[@citedcanvas85]

U guys are so lucky to get access to these wheels. Its so hard to get them here in South Africa. Fanatec is sold out and has a waiting period and Moza is nowhere to be found do far.

[@mrmidnight32]

I personally think the prices reflect quality and performance. You pay for what you get with these. You pay slightly more in total for the Moza, and you get slightly better FFB. The CSL DD is slightly cheaper. And you get slightly less after buying everything and get slightly less NM. But both are fantastic wheels. I personally went CSL because the Moza wasn’t much better and when I want more I’ll probably get way better than just slightly better later.

[@brulaapgaapmeester8052]

Just as an information addition, a reviewer named 'Ron' tested the actual NM-force on the CSL-DD, and measured 8.9 NM. :-)

[@r4dio4ctiv3man9]

@@KevinTheFirefighter these prices are incl. VAT for Fanatec and excl. VAT for Moza. So Moza is more expensive plus has horrible shipping costs (about 140 US-$ to the USA)

[@nocountryforgaryoldman3488]

please do a review of the alpha mini!!! im deciding between the moza or the alpha mini and there just isnt enough reviews out there and none of them go in too depth like i know you guys will!!! pleease do it guys and keep up the great work!!!!!

[@boostedmedia]

Sorry. We won’t be reviewing any further Simagic products as we will not work with them after past experiences.

[@nocountryforgaryoldman3488]

@@boostedmedia what happen?

[@lombardy3274]

I'm finding 300mm wheels (like the McLaren V2) very weak/vague on my 8nm DD. Is this normal? I have my gain (in ACC) set to 75% which is the max before clipping in high load corners.

[@chrisr236]

I'm fed up of using the mouse when playing iracing in VR. Do any of the wheels have inbuilt mouse functionality to replace that?and if not, why?

[@zizuwest1]

Hi...great series thx. a negative I heard is that the R9 overheats, reducing the FFB. any thoughts or experiences to share? I also heard, their was a batch issue, but its now fixed...is this true?

[@goonie1975]

Just did a local Australian price comparison from local resellers, Fanatec Australian, and Pagnian. $80 1 year additional warranty added to CSL DD to match Moza standard 2 year warranty, does not include shipping which is free with Pagnian. Moza R9 with CS Wheel - $1148, CSL DD 8nm with 2 year warranty + CSL BMW wheel $1180, $1350 with metal QR1 Moza R9 with GS wheel - $1498, CSL DD 8nm with 2 year warranty + CSL Elite McLaren GT3 V2 wheel $1280, $1450 with metal QR1. In both cases the the Moza wheel is of higher quality and arguably better functionality.

[@gdoumit]

I appreciate this review. Very thorough. I think the CSL DD is still a better option for me simply because of the Fanatec ecosystem and price. I also do play some console racing games/sims, so not having the option to just plug and play would be an issue for me.

[@naterod]

All I have is PS5 so fanatec was really my only option aside from getting that third party adapter. I've had it for a month or so and it's been solid so far. If moza ever makes a DD wheelbase that has native console support I may consider it if I ever run into problems with fanatec customer support. That's IF I have problems. I've not had any issues with the shift as of yet, and my pedals all worked just fine and none of the back ports ripped out or anything

[@mechanicalpants]

30:00 So there is a way to connect a different wheel to the Moza base, like a fanatec wheel for instance? How do you do that please?

[@bullit199]

Can you review Cammus wheel and pedals next?

[@deadmanwalking1930]

Will be buying a Moza R9 soon 😊

[@zwiss9353]

What about the quality? My GS wheel arrived and it felt like a 100€ Toy. It makes cracking sounds when I grip it firmly and the rotary switches are made from Plastic

[@zwiss9353]

Does your R9 wheelbase also has audible bursts of a ticking sound when it’s turned on with no wheel connected? Please tell me :)

[@acedrifts]

This may be a stupid question, but i should be able to pull the wheel off my real car and use it on this base correct? I run nrg hub and quick release on my real car. Asking cause i do not want to spend more money buying a wheel for it

[@vex123]

Anyone know if it uses a brushless motor or PMSM? What are the advantages/disadvantages?

[@justpostedagain]

Not sure how to interpret the noise but of this review (which is gloriously in depth and much appreciated). Do any other R9 users have a hum, like a 120mm PC fan is running somewhere? Also some faint intermittent electronic clicking, if I get close to the wheel base. Is that normal? Do all DD wheels do it?

[@boostedmedia]

The first R16 we tested did that. I believe it’s the inductive coupling system making the sound. Our R9 doesn’t do it though.

[@ZZCheetahZZ]

@Boosted Media, what about replacing my CSL DD for a Moza ? Is it worth the extra cost?

[@dazzwilko]

I have a csw 2.5 and formula rim v2. Not sure wether to go moza r9 and gs or csl dd and keep my rim.

[@meek4053]

Have you got any plans to review the Alpha Mini? I've had one for a while, I really like it - but i'd love to hear your thoughts having tested / used almost every other wheelbase! :D

[@boostedmedia]

Unlikely. We won't deal with Simagic after past experiences with them and last we checked, resellers aren't allowed to supply their hardware to reviewers without their approval. If we can get our hands on it we would lvoe to do a review. We thought the Alpha was good. But we won't comprimise on our policies and values.

[@meek4053]

@@boostedmedia Wait what happened with Simagic, is it in your previous video? Have i been accidentally supporting a bad company because I genuinely hate supporting bad companies.

[@boostedmedia]

@@meek4053 Our issues were with one particular employee, so I wouldn't say indicative of the wider business' attitude or culture. It's probably not appropriate for me to go into further detail as I don't want it to reflect poorly on the wider business. Suffice to say we just won't deal with them while he is the point of contact.

[@meek4053]

@@boostedmedia I appreciate that it's not the best idea to go deeper so thank you for going as far as you have. And thank you for being so open and transparent. It's that attitude that sets you above and beyond a lot of other reviewers and with yourself, LTT and Gamers Nexus leading the way I really hope in the future we will see more reviewers with different opinions being as open, transparent and straight forward. Thanks again :)

[@boostedmedia]

@@meek4053 Thanks mate. We take our position of influence very seriously and promise to always do our absolute best.

[@CoachJohnie]

How does the R9 compare to the T818? Which one would you recommend?

[@cknorris3644]

Don't know if prices changed but I can get a whole CSL setup with pedals for less than they want for just the Moza wheel and base. Like 300 dollars cheaper. So really the Moza is comparable with the DD Pro in terms of pricing.

[@toutpt]

With so many bases on the market it feel weird to me to start a locked in solution. In fact I like their wheels but I will not change my current wheel base for that. No option to make the wheel works as simple usb on pc 😅

[@mr.nobody3511]

Can I use my logitech pedals with this since the moza pedals have no resistance?

[@scottpolston6137]

I just upgraded my r5 to a r12 i love it

[@AdesGamingHere]

Personally went with DD due to console support, wanted to make sure that my doors are open for what PS5 with VR bring to the table

[@iamzuesthisisthetruth8864]

I think they missed a Huge opportunity here!!! Once TM joins DD race it’s too late… plus lower Prices is a Bonus!!

[@DoomiePookie]

100% im excited to get VR2 with PS5 for other games, but since i have the dd pro and a gt omega cockpit and gt7, i just hope VR racing games release on vr2.

[@naterod]

@@DoomiePookie that's exactly what I have and I'd love it if we get VR support from something like ACC or even GT7.

[@scottpolston6137]

Man I hope microcenter 15 minutes from me has a deal on a R9 or R12 base during Black Friday I just got CRP pedals and have upgraded everything but my R5 base but I'm ready to jump up to a more powerful base absolutely 😘 ve Moza so glad I chose them over fanatec I feel the material quality is higher and the software to control it is better as well I couldn't be more pleased with Moza

[@qwertymonsta]

I've been looking at the CSL DD, but can't seem to order it because it's always out of stock. I'm hesitant to buy from a smaller company like Moza because I don't know how their long-term support is for things like drivers, firmware, and warranty/ support. I would rather wait for the CSL DD to be in stock so I could buy all of the items I need (rim, pedals, etc.) all at once and know they're good quality and supported long-term. That being said, the Moza is looking more and more appealing.

[@garybond3388]

Moza maybe new to sim racing but wouldn't call them small they have been making high end camera equipment for a while, the service i received from them has been great been using my R9 since April and loving it

[@scottpolston6137]

I went Moza and have Zero regrets in doing so Fanatec's QR is my main reason for not going fanatec that and there pedals have lits of plastic and the god awful plastic QR on the entry level fanatec wheels huge deal breaker for me Moza makes a much more premium product for the money without a doubt and all the kids nks you speak of have been ironed out at this point a year later i currently use a R12 with a CS wheel CRP pedals Hgp shifter and hand brake on a Next Level Racing cockpit i couldn't be more pleased i started on a G29 and got a R5 bundle a few months ago and wanted more so that's what i did and its been nothing short of amazing

[@JohnnyEMatos]

I'm still hesitant because other people have said that the driving experience is not as smooth or refined in the R9, so I don't know what to trust at the moment.

[@boostedmedia]

There’s certainly improvements to be made still but in our experience so far it’s been very impressive. Still a fresh brand though and it will of course take time to earn trust and a good reputation within the sim racing community. They’re still an unknown quantity when it comes to customer support too so let’s see how things play out. All I can say for now is there have been very significant improvements since they first approached us and we looked at their products in December last year. Early signs are good as far as we’re concerned.

[@GTALLDAY16]

Sorry for the dumb question, but can you use the MOZA wheel with the PlayStation version of the fanatec dd pro base? I really want that MOZA wheel but I play on PC & GT7 on a PS5. Thanks!

[@boostedmedia]

No

[@CiroDiMaRzio12304]

I'm happy with my 5nm DD, everything works perfect the strenght is enough and i also did inprove my lapstimes so i cant complain.

[@natedawg-nakutis-reviews]

Does the R9 bundle come with pedals

[@travnasty5269]

I just think the csl beats it by a mile. Here in the US at least if you had all the shipping taxes and all the extras you have to either buy or pay to have a complete working setup your paying hundreds of dollars more than the csl dd. The fanatec software seems much easier to use to but then again that could just be that it's because that's what I'm used to looking at but everything just seems easier. And I'm sure you can't actually tell much of a difference between the feel co considering they are almost exactly the same. So in short just buy whatever is cheapest based on where you live and for me that's the csl dd.

[@joeyippel]

Normally I'd say great review but it's been uploaded 30 seconds ago. Have to watch it first! 🤣

[@zzmadd]

Yes I confirm. CSL DD 8nm. At times, not all the times, does that clunky noise. Don't know what that is. You can also feel it a little bit and when it happens you always ask what the hell is it, and that doesn't help in concentrating. On a side note. 8nm are not enough...IM humble O.

[@pieflies]

I agree it’s not really strong enough. It’s good, but I will definitely want to upgrade at some point.

[@-Strit-]

It's most likely the top slot or grove where you slide in the wheel, it's to big on the DD, take some insulation rubber tape, add a piece to the top grove to minimize the gap. See if it helps if some still left add one more piece of tape. (it's on the base i mean, the top has the grove to match up with the wheel quick release) we did it on my mates DD and it fixed it.

[@storageroomracer]

Just on the strength of 8nm. David Perel is a South African race driver who drives for Rinaldi motorsport and has his own KZbin channel, where he actually says outside of an actual crash they don't get more than 8nm feedback from the car due to power steering. Now he's also an ambassador for Thrustmaster and he actually says he'll not buy a dd wheel as his top of the line Thrustmaster belt driven wheel has more than enough feel and strength for him, but again it's subjective. I'm going to go dd for the immersion but coming from a logitech G920 I see no point in spending 2 or 3 thousand dollars on a 20 plus nm wheel base when an csl dd or r9 will provide the level of immersion and realism that I'm looking for.

[@zzmadd]

@@storageroomracer I had the TS-PC racer. Especially with the boost option in the driver is really powerful. I had nothing to complain about it, it's just quite less detailed than the CSL DD but overall for the price a very good object.

[@gumwah]

I am currently looking for Xbox X options. I would buy one tomorrow if they were console compatible... Will have to wait for no stock Fanatec, mind you the more I read about Fanatec the less confident I am in them......

[@billbaggins1688]

Moza wheels are very expensive from what I can see (australian here) - so I am going for a Fanatec when upgrading my G27.

[@jeffr0426]

With pictures of the Fanatec plastic wheel stem breaking, I would love to know what the Moza stem is made out of. It looks substantially thicker, but is it made out of plastic too?

[@kpblasko]

It's an all-metal quick release, just watch the review vids!

[@dazzwilko]

That's exactly why I cancelled my order

[@alinye5303]

R9 or DD Pro which is better？