MP18 - Maschinenpistole 18/I

[@puppysect]

Over one HUNDRED years old and still chugging along. Beautiful.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

Good guns are built to last.

[@LUR1FAX]

"They're not biodegradable. Only the dead are biodegradable..."

[@badcornflakes6374]

Respect to the people who built them

[@MarkiusFox]

It's possible as long as you DO THE MAINTENANCE!

[@Harryherbet]

One Doomed Spacemarine i think u mean german engineering

[@svvitchio]

"Chunka, chunka, chunka, chunka, chunka, chunka, chunka." "Exactly!" Communication skills: 10/10

[@McFennec]

i need 10h of this

[@jhouse9980]

Imagine the sense of pride you would get from handing Gun Jesus a gun and he says "I've never shot one of these before"

[@TheWirksworthGunroom]

That could be arranged!

[@zendell37]

There's two sides to that spectrum. You have these occasions, then you have the stuff most people haven't shot for a darn good reason. Anyone got a Jennings or a Bryco?

[@theshitheads3178]

Please don't be reddit thanks!

[@NoVeMoRe]

Imagine trying to have your breakfast in the trenches when suddenly clonking noises, of what could only be described as an angry swarm of frying pans, draw closer and closer to your location.

[@rachaelstevens196]

remeber they were shotting a steel target at 20

[@Soap.--]

but mp 18 is pretty crappy it jams like every 10 shots

[@muqri.2745]

@@Soap.-- Still better than having to bolt every single shot. It is also shorter so soldiers can use this for close combat.

[@dmyt58]

@@Soap.-- Tell that to the allied soldiers who got slaughtered when the elite german troops attacked with these. For its time its a great weapon.

[@khoaang3648]

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[@ducktapepilot]

Ian saying he's never actually shot one of these before. That's not something you hear very often.

[@LN997-i8x]

I like that Ian's shot so much rare and oddball stuff that he's initially unsure if he's had a go on one before.

[@88porpoise]

There is a fair bit that he hasn't fired. Now if he hadn't handled it before that would be surprising.

[@Harryherbet]

Im still amazed he managed to shoot a full auto original 2nd pattern fg42, their stupid rare and expensive

[@Harryherbet]

Im still amazed he managed to shoot a full auto original 2nd pattern fg42, their stupid rare and expensive

[@hesnotbad9045]

Ian’s the one person who wouldn’t be sure if they’d shot an extremely rare gun.

[@cavvieira]

KZbin auto subtitles when firing: "(Music)".

[@Taistelukalkkuna]

I mean, they are not wrong...?

[@caprise-music6722]

Taistelukalkkuna true. I have to say It does sound good

[@42TRGSako]

🤣🤣🤣... I LOVE IT!!!!!!

[@zendell37]

Music to my ears, at least.

[@michelguevara151]

mp allegro

[@MarkiusFox]

The genesis of the Lanchester SMG and, by extension, the STEN. The Lanchester just looks quintessentially British with it's bronze magazine housing, milled and blued receiver, and wood stock.

[@nialltomy15]

And sword bayonet

[@LucioFercho]

No, it looks German, as do their British copies...

[@nialltomy15]

@@LucioFercho You're missunderstanding. The changes the British made to make the Lanchester were very "quintessentially British", is what he is saying.

[@LucioFercho]

@@nialltomy15 You both clearly need a thesaurus since you dont get how wrong "quintessentially" is to describe a barely modified copy. German gun, German look, as British as a Domino's pizza from London...

[@nialltomy15]

@@LucioFercho You are still misunderstanding. No one will dispute the fact that the Lanchester was a copy of the MP28. The original comment was simply stating the interesting changes the British made to the design, such as the Lee Enfield style buttstock, brass magazine well and sword bayonet were 'quintessentially British'. No one is claiming it is a British design.

[@FinishPlayer]

Germany seems to be good at making something good too late to actually make a difference :D

[@martins.4240]

"Hey guys we just made an awesome new gun/tank/aircraft..." *Surrender was declared*

[@FinishPlayer]

@@martins.4240 Pretty much, guess we'll have to wait till WW3 for the new best thing.

[@V-Lenzr]

@@FinishPlayer I rather not have the new best thing if that means there is no WW3 !

[@nirfz]

@@V-Lenzr i support that!

[@C-Henry]

They made things earlier too, such as the interrupter gear developed by Anthony Fokker allowing aircraft to shoot through the arc of their propeller, making it much easier for the pilot to aim his guns. Arguably equally pivotal, but the difference it made was not in who one the war, but in how the war was fought as the allies quickly captured a working example and copied it. I think its fair to say that this weapons introduction earlier in the war would not have been an instant win for Germany, but would have accelerated weapons development by the allies to counter the threat. Maybe WWI would have finished with the development of the assault rifle instead of WWII? Interesting to think about at least.

[@jacobharris7711]

Ah "face melting temp" that is reserved for a special class of pain. Goodness i miss my summers on the sun.

[@raideurng2508]

Or a clever 'Lost Ark' reference?

[@jacobharris7711]

@@raideurng2508 oooh good one, someone grab a gif of that.... :) Ian holds a sterling in the AZ heat.... face melts off.... i love it. I will take a tshirt bumper sticker and a tattoo of it.

[@muddyhotdog4103]

It sounds like a machine.. gun.. of some sort

[@Seb-Storm]

Indeed, like if it was a machine pistol

[@jeffreyroot6300]

Ok Captain Kirk!

[@Isaac-ho8gh]

@@Seb-Storm *shoots it with one hand*

[@setoravenclaw]

Ian: chunka chunka chunka Karl: exactly God I love this channel.

[@mkfreel]

At 5:20 you can see the rear sight kind of flopping back and forth under recoil. Wonder if it was enough to notice while shooting?

[@InrangeTv]

Weak spring. And no.

[@archstanton1628]

And the BAR starts to disassemble itself 🙂

[@zippymcfearson2776]

Wood IS the original carbon fiber.

[@bl4cksp1d3r]

You're technically not wrong :D

[@remko1238]

Never a dull moment on InrTV,, no matter what subject 🤜🏽

[@superbun277]

I know the nickname is usually given to the Tompson, and the steel target probably helps with this, but gods, that thing really does sound like a typewriter when fired.

[@Ni999]

Hmmmm. I thought it was called the Chicago typewriter because gangs used it to send messages, but that certainly doesn't fit with modern folklore. I fired an old Thompson, full auto, years ago and it didn't sound like a typewriter to me. I didn't hear one echoing through the south side of Chicago back in the day, certainly before my time. But I've heard a number of full auto firings from various distances in cities and unfortunately I very much doubt that any were Thompsons, but they all sounded like echoing rapid fire to me. I'm skeptical. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ PS (edit) - I learned to type on an old Underwood (still have it) that is certainly similar to the typewriters of the day. The IBM Selectric didn't exist when the Thompson got its nickname.

[@Getpojke]

A Schreibmaschine if you will! :)

[@taktikbegeistert8506]

@@Getpojke Well, actually the known Companys sometimes build typewriters too, i believe i´ve seen a Mauser typewriter (a true one!) oh bye the way, it´s correctly eine Schreibmaschine mit Schnellwechsel-Blei-Lettern Satz (aka typewriter with quick change lead types reservoir ;-)

[@bazilon2878]

Never had a faster click to one of your videos.

[@Echowhiskeyone]

I think I clicked faster for the Pancor Jackhammer or the G11, but this one is up for the fastest click.

[@Jay-ln1co]

"Karl, get ze MP18!"

[@Demonetised_]

Was kinda hoping Karl would storm a British trench with it

[@soundslikesight7876]

Shot an mp40 recently and it was the first full auto I had ever shot. Kachunk kachunk ect is about the best summation I can give of how it shot. Even with the floppy ass stock it was like a slow typewriter. Great video and can’t wait to see more!

[@thelostworlds3]

My standard for controllable sub machine guns is the MP-40. How does it hold up to that?

[@InrangeTv]

You're in luck, that's the topic of a future video!

[@thelostworlds3]

InRangeTV sweet deal!! They are such amazing shooters.

[@LeFeuauxpoudres]

I shot with LP08 and trommelmagazin: I shot 4 full magazine: no problems at all. (Bing manufacturer) The LP was very hot...

[@MongyBongy]

From what I understand the weapon fires too fast for the snail mags to feed correctly

[@LeFeuauxpoudres]

@@MongyBongy Ok I understand the problem. The trommels were made for the LP08. To be used in Mp18 you need a small adaptater.

[@LeFeuauxpoudres]

@@MongyBongy If anyone read this, here's my video to support my point: v=3kDXSOKaNkE&ab_channel=LeFeuauxPoudres :)

[@Zed_Solo_RS]

August 2020 in AZ. Too hot to be outside. Real dedication.

[@owensthilaire8189]

I like how the rate of fire allows us to hear the rounds on steel between shots! Very cool.

[@Deamon93IT]

Amazing to see one of those still in working order. Yeah it malfunctioned a couple of times but it can be excused considering how old it is

[@CDOES]

Man that thing looks sweet to shoot!

[@atomic...]

i like the sound it makes when it fires. very nice gun.

[@rcairnut]

Curt you rock! thanks guys!

[@snowdogs01]

The first "Sturmtroopen" who were issued this were probably glad to have them, but also thought: "Scheisse, we are at the tip of the raid!". Might have really made a difference if they had been introduced at the start of the conflict.....

[@cantowerdude_3045]

Dang that's cool

[@janwacawik7432]

Hi, I'm Othais and this *HUMPH* is a reminder, that there's a great video on C&Rsenal if you want to learn more about this gat. So cool that you guys got your hands on this bad boy. Karl, will we see more of it? Perhaps something akin to "Henry 1860: the First assault rifle" videos?

[@Strawberry92fs]

(x) doubt

[@Choobus7]

I would like to see a video about the history of that weapon and it's conversion to use stick mags. Also noticed the gun didn't have 1919 markings - which would indicate it stayed in postwar German inventory.

[@niel9612]

Check out C&Rsenal, lots of history on the development and use in WW1

[@Choobus7]

@@niel9612 I will rewatch that episode tonight. I do not recall them discussing a post-war conversion to stick mags.

[@niel9612]

@@Choobus7 I think they mention it quickly near the end. But they normally don't really go post war.

[@kjragg1099]

One of the most fascinating guns ever, along with the STG-44. Both were the first of their kind

[@trevor8049]

Bear arms in scottsdale is a great shop. Ive bought a few guns there over the years. They tend to have a nice variety. Which can't be said about a lot of the other shops in the valley.

[@F2000-q2z]

This gun was also license produced by Anciens Etablissements Pieper in Herstal, Belgium. The Belgian army adopted this as the Mitraillette 34 / MP34. They were used in May 1940 at the time of the German invasion. Two guys in the HQ of an infantry company had these. The regimental reconnaissance platoon in an infantry division had 8 in the platoon. The Chasseurs Ardennais and Cyclistes Frontières may have had some as well. They were good weapons. The Germans seem to have taken them over after the surrender.

[@matteagle42]

Thanks for the video of this rare gun!

[@kevw333]

Love you guys, thank you so much 👊

[@stardust_2339]

Seems to be a pleasant gun to shoot. If the rate of fire is low and the gun is controllable would you rather have this on auto or semi?

[@darkiee69]

Don't think that there's a semi on it, just like the Swedish kpist 45/b. Semi is how fast you can release the trigger.

[@fruitylerlups530]

Plus its a trillion kg so you dont have to worry about controllabolity whatsover5

[@samjmarsay]

This was excellent!

[@kylosalvesen]

Chunka chunka chunka chunka chunk

[@MultiSycorax]

Very handsome old gat, clearly well cared for.

[@Getpojke]

Such a classy gun that, and lovely to see you get a chance to shoot it. Talking of classy SMG's would love to see you have a play with a Lanchester with the brass/bronze mag housing all polished upand a 50 round magazine, truely is poetry in reciprocating motion.

[@HalfWarrior]

Thanks guys, great stuff!

[@johnnypopulus5521]

Wow, that is an extremely rare piece. How very effing cool.

[@meinauto9048]

Lord that is one handsome looking firearm.

[@Youcannotfalter]

Now we need to see the MP28 and MP34 in action for comparisons.

[@erzreaktionar1303]

I look forward to the day you guys get your hands on the MP 34. It is without a doubt the sleekest of the German side magazine SMGs, and has some interesting interwar story behind it too.

[@hillbillynick2000]

I'm so jelly right now! So much cool!

[@crominion6045]

Bear Arms rocks. 👍

[@taff1538]

Now, that's a cool piece of history, looking forward to the mud test...........

[@Kalashnikov2034]

This reminds me of the ZK-383 with that slow rate of fire with the weight in the bolt

[@CaptainBeardsome]

Bear Arms is indeed awesome!

[@ChristianNiegemann]

Not sure if it's on my end or what, but the audio is kinda low, except when the rounds hit the steel target.

[@nikola12nis]

3:20 That was freaking loud

[@FirstDagger]

That plate was 70% of the noise.

[@iysaw]

Ian - "I don't think I've ever shot one of these before". The Internet - *Explodes*

[@fourthplanet]

That was cool! thanks for sharing

[@chzzyg2698]

That thing is cooool. It even sounds like WW1.

[@Wootangtw]

Awesome.... thanks for your videos....

[@devinpetersen2387]

Thank you for sharing this with us.

[@sephrah]

You guys make it so a Brit like me can know this stuff and I thank you for it

[@aries_9130]

I didn't imagine this to be such a laser beam. Thanks for the insight!

[@ExUSSailor]

It sounds like you have the target mic'd.

[@nikirki25]

Good stuff. Very good stuff.

[@JaMayhem]

So much sarcasm.....I love it

[@DJJAW11]

... Was the Suomi KP/-31, given to Wehrmacht troops (limited numbers I imagine),back in WW2 ?.

[@InrangeTv]

Yes, it was.

[@SuperPwndProductions]

Speaking of low recoil, it would be interesting to see a smg that utilizes constant recoil like the Ultimax.

[@wolfgangallanalhazred802]

Comes in chunky and smooth

[@00dDodo]

Wild that this was built only 3 decades after the first automatic hangun

[@seraph045]

I wonder, why were faster rates of fire developed at the expense of controllability? Neat video, and you guys only burned through $6,000 of ammo to do it!

[@sandervanduren2779]

If I’m not mistaken, it’s a trade off between controllability, and rounds on target. I’m a combat situation, you only have a very short period of time where a target is actually presented to you, so it’s important to be able to dump as many rounds as you can into the target in the extremely short timeframe you have to do it. So it became a trade off between ammo consumption, controllability, and probability of hitting a target in a short amount of time

[@Picolinni]

Sander van Duren That’s exactly what I was taught, especially from those who fought before the mass adoption of assault rifles. 8x33 and 7.62x39 changed things up tremendously, and I think 7.62x33 (.30 Carbine) helped as well, though the last would have benefitted from a different rifle. Light enough to be useful in short ranged automatic fire and heavy enough to reach out to normal combat distances. Things changed again thanks to a new generation of intermediate cartridges and then the proliferation of body armour and optics.

[@Zmeeed01]

Rate of fire also depends on the weight of bolt. The heavier the bolt is, the longer it takes for the bolt to cycle between shots. As time passed, technology advanced, SMGs became a thing, and smaller calibers became more common, some guns adopted a rather light bolt. However, rate of fire can also be boosted or slowed down with the use of extra mechanisms. For example, the German MG42 featured a mix of blowback and gas operation to push rate of fire to 1200 RPM (20 shots per second), and HK UMP40 and 45 feature a mechanism which, instead, slows rate of fire down to keep the gun controllable because .40 and .45 caliber have quite a kick.

[@000Mazno000]

I also think it has a lot to do with manufacturing processes as well. With milled construction and expensive designed parts you can get exactly what you want, but if you're changing things like bolt weight, spring strength, overtravel distance etc. because it saves costs in some way, you often change the controllability of the weapon as well.

[@pascal6871]

Since an action is purely mechanical, at full auto it will go as fast as it possibly can, depending on mass, travel distance of the bolt and so on. Cheap, light, simple, small parts will cycle extremely fast. Slowing it down can be quite difficult because you have to either slow down the bolt by adding mass to every part of the gun, make it travel longer with a longer action or adding often over engineered, complex parts that artificially slow everything down. It just so happened that cheaper, simpler, mass produced parts ended up being more successful. Pointedly, the decisions for which one to chose were not made by the people actually using the guns but by those paying for them.

[@DerLaCroix1]

The flip sight needs some attention, though. So funny watching it wobble around while you were shooting...

[@OlrikMeister]

That is one good looking gun if i may say so.

[@tombearclaw]

So in a combat setting would you choose this 20rd capacity mp18 or a 20rd capacity m1 carbine ?

[@InrangeTv]

This.

[@tombearclaw]

Was this a 7.63mm or 9mm version?

[@Stargun-vj1uh]

@@tombearclaw On the receiver or somewhere on the gun, I did see a 9MM on it. So I would suspect 9MM. Edit: Actual location of that 9MM marking was the magazine. My mistake.

[@edelweiss-]

the first machine pistol :). Means a change of war.

[@LUR1FAX]

What a sweet piece! I agree, I'd much rather have a 20 round box magazine even if it's a single feed mag, rather than having to use those Luger snail drum mags.

[@Mr_T_Badger]

Did Karl forget his ear protection before shooting or does he have flesh tone protection that just blends into the background.

[@RalphReagan]

Lol "not a good as a chauchat"

[@CzechoslovakGunStories]

such a cool looking gun.... just wondering how would it look like in the trenches if this saw some wider use perhaps on both sides...

[@ezzz42]

if you were in a trench would you want this or a 1897 winchester shotgun?

[@sir0herrbatka]

Funny to see that the very first combat SMG was already a really good gun.

[@williamflowers9435]

Does anyone know who did the conversion to stick mags and when?

[@kenycharles8600]

Thank you for this presentation.

[@arkan5000]

the great ancestor of sub machine guns

[@thomasbiel7741]

Pretty cool.

[@88porpoise]

So is this MP18 going to take a run at the PCC course?

[@InrangeTv]

Wrong channel and no.

[@88porpoise]

InRangeTV Too bad, was hoping Ian might bet you play with it on his own channel once you guys were done.

[@thesturm8686]

Mud test then?

[@danofort]

Ye Gods, I would love one of those.

[@magoid]

There was ever a good explanation why the magazine is sideways in a lot of those first generation sub-machine guns? I know some say it was because it is better to shoot prone, but later everybody put the magazine bellow (unless of course if you were a British ... ). Heck, the Thompson SMG already started with a conventional position.

[@user-ij9sh1tf9d]

Several reasons, one you already mentioned; shooting whilst prone. Due to the large circumference of pistol cartridges, SMG magazines are typically quite lengthy in size, so if the magazine is inserted vertically into the gun, it forces the shooter to raise the gun higher above the ground when shooting whilst prone. A second reason is symmetry/simplicity of the gun's feeding and ejection. A magazine that inserts horizontally into the gun means that cartridges feed from one side and eject from the other, all in one straight motion. If a magazine inserts vertically, this requires that ejection must be forced to either the right or the left in order to prevent cartridge cases from raining back down onto the shooter, like they would if cartridges fed from the bottom and ejected from the top in a straight motion. The main disadvantage to having the magazine on the side of the gun is that it results in awkward ergonomics and weight distribution when handling the gun.

[@RalphReagan]

I like it!

[@thegamingredneck25]

Arguably the first submachine gun.

[@LucioFercho]

Well, but does it take MP 40 magazines?

[@thagrifster594]

MP 40 comparison with M18 would be a fun video.

[@PershingDragoon]

At least the Beretta got to see action in Battlefield 1 :P

[@InrangeTv]

So tired of people referencing that game, lol.

[@thesturm8686]

@@InrangeTv preach!

[@jaroroytapel]

Any reason why pretty much everyone started with Machinepistoles(When you talk about first Automatic small infantry weapons)? I mean today for us an Assualt rifle would be the staple of any Infantry unit, so why didn't people back then looked for somehing similar? besides the Federov at that time point.

[@moosemaimer]

Ian said it right off the bat: the Chauchat. People were trying, they just hadn't quite figured out how to make a full-power automatic action that fits into the footprint of a shoulder arm. The BAR was on its way but didn't make it to combat in large numbers before the war ended.

[@Stargun-vj1uh]

Well, they were, but they also didn't know how to make a full auto firearm that made sense for full issuing. Like Moose said, the Chauchat was as close as they got to that. Cost effective mostly, could be fired from the shoulder? Kinda? But really that was too bulky, and the Bar is the same way. They're too heavy. But for that period of time, it was either pistol caliber up to .45 ACP or up to rifle caliber like .303 british, etc. There was nothing in the middle. So either you're carrying a pretty decent size service sidearm, or a full size rifle, or up to a light machine gun, which by that period's standards is 30 pounds on the light end of the spectrum, likely far higher. Portability was what they wanted, but they didn't know how to make that reliable, cost effective, and operable on the field in a way that was effective. Except for the MP18. That was not a cheap gun by any means, but it made sense, it was controllable like a full size machine gun, but compact due to it not firing a big rifle round. That's why everyone started with it after the war, it was a marvel how they even had this. Everyone else thought adapting airplane full autos down to pistol caliber was the way, or taking their full size rifle rounds and trying to find some full auto mechanism would work. Both were basically failures. The M14 is the biggest failure in judgement, when the BAR was still in service to look at. Even by the 1950's, people didn't think intermediate, it was either pistol or rifle, nothing in the middle besides .30 Carbine which is not quite 5.56 but not quite .45. That's why people didn't really look for this new thing, they weren't sure even after 2 world wars what was needed until they found that even after making a full auto full size round infantry operable and able to be carried easily, that really it wasn't controllable in the way they needed, but also that pistol calibers don't pack enough punch to do what they needed. That's when they realized that intermediates were the way, the future. The STG was the first true intermediate assault like gun, and people tried to copy the concept, but without the practicality of the idea. So that's kinda why. The Federov was existent, but not really practical, hell, barely used or made. So hopefully I answered why in a way that was interesting.

[@robmontier3770]

3:58 That's the technical term!

[@TheSpoon369]

that rear sight moves more than i was expecting

[@InrangeTv]

Weak spring.

[@LukeBunyip]

2:13 IIRC, the guy on the left is part of a Freikorp unit that took part in the postwar conflict in Silesia between the German and Polish populations.

[@SearTrip]

And the pic on the right is a reenactor from a 1990s machine gun book. That pic was changed to B&W and spread around the internet as a WWI photo. There are no pictures of these with front line units during the war, that’s how short a time they were used in action.

[@Chris_Garman]

Is it actually mechanically very loud or was that all the target ringing?

[@donnyboon2896]

Excellent. 😃😃😃

[@drubradley8821]

LOL... That was cool!!! even sounded neat... or at least different...

[@moc6897]

It would be way better to have one of these, than to have none at all! Dang sure!

[@tom-kg2bj]

Yes yes yes YES

[@dirkmeinhardt289]

What a sound :-)