Mpc Live 2 and SP 404 Mk2 workflow - Sampling Effects

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[@ConsciousFX]

Your the man bro. Out of most the MPC/Music content creators online, you’re content is the smoothest and genuine. All about the music and no fluff about controversy. Never loose that humble rawness brother. Thanks for the tips 🫡

[@IDONTPLAYENT]

On the MPC live run audio out 3/4 into the SP and the output of the SP back into the MPC to create an effects loops so any of the MPC sounds you want effected just run them through the 3/4…. No need for computer

[@Itsme-xi6uy]

Does this require you to use the headphone output?

[@IDONTPLAYENT]

@@Itsme-xi6uy no

[@Itsme-xi6uy]

@@IDONTPLAYENT so how do you connect to monitors?

[@IDONTPLAYENT]

@@Itsme-xi6uy The Live 2 has 4 outputs. The main outputs go to your monitors and 3&4 goes to the sp. your sp outputs go to your mpc input. Now if there’s any sound in the mpc that you want to be effected by the SP, just go to the MPC Channel/mixer page and change the output for that track or sound to 3 and 4

[@Itsme-xi6uy]

​@@IDONTPLAYENTso it wouldnt work with the One? Thats kind of a bummer

[@wuxxxxxx]

Marlow, I believe you can do this without the computer. Just have your MPC outs 3/4 going into the 404 and then have the 404 out go into the MPC. On the MPC, enable monitoring and that should be it. You can send specific pads/programs to the 3/4 out, which is routed to the 404 and then back into the MPC, where you can hear output and resample. I do this and it works. No computer needed.

[@ceciliafbrown373]

Yeah! I do this with the 555 and it works well. Still waiting on the MK 2!!!

[@nkozi]

yeah I came here to say this - I used to do this workflow with the 1k and the OG 404.

[@Daschill_]

Thank you for this my SP is on its way and I don’t have a computer, was just gonna use file transfers but this is better! 🙏🏼

[@Jay-sd6fs]

Would this also work for the MpcX? I have the sp 404sx

[@wuxxxxxx]

@@Jay-sd6fs yep

[@davidscott2095]

The video was very easy to hear and the background noise had no effect at all. This was one of the most informative videos I have seen showing these two pieces of hardware properly communicating. Thank you, Marlo, for continuing to bless us with knowledge. Bendiciones and Feliz Navidad!

[@teddybearasaurus]

This got me thinking about all kinds of external gear I have going into my mpc

[@skylerdarkavelifinesseflow7115]

Why.. You're fine.. It can read all the hertz n crap. Its just that the 404 didnt meet the requirements lmao

[@teddybearasaurus]

@@skylerdarkavelifinesseflow7115 I think The 404 has a cool sound, and synths and other samplers are cool. Do I need it with an mpc? Probably not but it’s fun to mess with the equipment you own and see if there’s something you could do that you never tried.

[@mnlrbeats]

i am so glad to have found this video!

[@mpchead]

Glad it was helpful!

[@mnlrbeats]

i have windows. It seems not working the same. :( Any Idea? @@mpchead

[@crumbdelacrumb5942]

My fave combo MPC & SP 404 i own a MPC studio black and real soon going to pick up a SP 404 mk2 i cant wait ❤

[@SonicScholar]

@MarlowDigs a much simpler and stress free solution would be to just use a mixer.. even something small like a Soundcraft notepad FX12 would do the job or any mixer for that matter.

[@Chrispie79]

One of my favourite MP users. Keep up the good work

[@mpchead]

🔥✌🏼

[@Sarah2ill]

I love this! Thank You for sharing!!

[@mpchead]

You are welcome! Thanks for tuning in Sarah

[@kb420ps]

Great video. I'm still waiting aimlessly for my mk2 order from Sweetwater to be filled. This is a great way to integrate the MPC and the mk2 together. Something that I had never considered.

[@ambeatstv9848]

I’ve been waiting for this for so long!!! Using the sp on individual channels of the MPC! thank you

[@_c_y_p_3]

Thanks again, I always enjoy your beats as a bonus!

[@MS-1]

What up Marlow? I just contacted Akai via inquiry and, left a comment on their 2.10 youtube video and, hopefully it will gather steam if the rest of us do the same. (In a future update it would be nice if they upped the sample rate choices to at least include 48khz so we can use our SP-404MK2s as audio interfaces with our MPCs. This would augment the combined workflows of the two beast machines).

[@TheAdfk]

I'm a Sp1200 and s950 freak, but I think this is going to be my 2022 setup. Thanks for the video!

[@SclimBeats]

Thank you so much for this video 🙏🏼 I’m sold. I’m buying Mac live 2 and sp 404 mk 2 and I’m running away from making music with keyboard and mouse

[@ToniVirt]

You can route the traditional way with ins/outs. U just cant use it via USB as a interface. Just a heads up chief.

[@mpchead]

I am using it as an audio interface in this video.

[@ToniVirt]

@@mpchead understood. Great content by the way. U definitely have helped in the beginning of my mpc journey last year.

[@mpchead]

Thanks Toni 🙏🏼

[@olesolja1407]

Awesome vid. This is great info. Thanks for sharing.

[@rehabeatation]

Hmm I’ve tried this but I can’t connect mpc live 2 . Maybe akai changed something with new firmware ?

[@jameshardy5578]

How about midi cables that's how I'm gonna use them together sampling with the sp404mkii and sequencing in the live2

[@vittoriodentis119]

hi, can i ask you a question. are undecided whether to buy SP or the MPC. I'm not very interested in using it live and in common I would still interface with Ableton to finalize my works. I really like Lo Fi music but I'm afraid that SP is too much into Lo Fi music and can't get out of this genre. while for the MPC I'm afraid it's less immediate, more awkward to move (but it's not very serious) and that it's like having a computer and that it has many functions but superfluous if you intend to interface with Ableton. what do you recommend me?

[@brianj6314]

I'm in the same boat, did you ever find your answer?

[@mpbangamusic9673]

Thanks for this video. I'll definitely be referencing it, when I get my SP. No need to apologise for the noise at all

[@landonh3535]

I do this and it is great. I just route both into a patchbay with their ins and outs feeding each other and resample into the 404 or vice versa that way. a little more old school, but it works.I think you mentioned the 48k issue to answer people who wanted to use USB audio DAWless, correct? I hope Roland updates it to work with 44k as well as 48k.

[@brunodiben]

Great video again, but I don't understand how is the setup where the different bitrates makes it not possible. Want to chain the mk2 to the X for fx/processing but just using a mixer so I asume no issues Thanks again for you content 🙌🏼

[@NME_REK]

I’m trying to wrap my head around this as well. I can’t understand why you cant run them together? Is this just because of using the mpc computer program? You can’t just sample in an out of eachother without a laptop?

[@vxe1392]

@@NME_REK you can, the signal is converted to analog before leaving/entering the mpc/404 , someone mentioned in another comments it won't work for specific DAWless setups which might be what he's referring to

[@taller513]

Could it also be used through the MPC exits? Thanks

[@mpchead]

yes

[@LewisSales]

Dope video but......Man!!! I was looking to get these two in sync together in standalone over USB. Using the 404 as a interface with the MPC. Works with the SP555 over usb but with clicks and pops which is a real shame.

[@logarytmiq]

Love what you do Marlow, keep up the good vibes 😎🔥💯🙏

[@domincello1865]

lol im looking for some more information on the 404 and sure enough, you got a video. good stuff.

[@khairitannur]

Running my Rytm through my 404 mkii. MKII power!

[@fade2blak91]

So i might have missed it but do you have the 404 plugged into inputs 3/4? I wish the mpc one had more inputs!

[@mpchead]

Not using any physical audio outputs, only internal audio via usb between the Live and the 404. There's nothing running through the audio cables. I have cables coming out because of other external gear.

[@safwanfallatah8611]

Can i do this step without using a computer? 01:01

[@mpchead]

No not at this moment. You can do the traditional way of just sending audio .

[@MakingMadBeats]

This routing by using the SP404 MK2 as an audio interface should work with the MPC One, too,. Right? With that method you can compensate the missing outputs on the MPC One if I' m not messing something up in my head 😅?!

[@eddmtz4028]

I have the money for one of these items, but which one to choose that can help me through create my own beats and have them recorded as a real mp3 song?

[@mpchead]

mpc

[@TheOldSchoolJunkie]

Would love to k ow do u have a pack for fl studio to make my drums clean and lofi like yours? Or can you send me a video to show how

[@ruffiankick]

The way sample rates work, 44.1khz vs 48khz for example, the rate that the samples can be recorded are measured in 'kHz' so think 'sample cycles per second' so the MPC can only take a max of 44,100 cycles of samples per second, while the 404MK2 can dish out a total of 48,000 cycles of samples per second. Everytime you record/sample something your sampler is taking a digital audio snapshot at a frequency of either of these sample rates. so basically the MPC can't cature sampled snapshots at that fast of a rate so they are incompatible. a sidenote: I think Roland left the 404MK2 at 48khz because it can real-time timestretch pretty cleanly without extra audio artifacts. you need the higher sample rate to support a cleaner smoother time stretch. I hope this helped someone lol

[@vxe1392]

I'm still not following , once the signal leaves the 404 it goes through a DAC and will be seen from the MPC as an analog signal hitting its ADC at 44.k , at which point in this chain would the sampling fail?

[@ruffiankick]

@@vxe1392 well that's the point. thru USB, the 404 isn't converting to 44.1k, it's rendering at 48k. MPC can't 'upsample' from 44.1k to 48k. This is were the incompatibility lies

[@vxe1392]

@@ruffiankick gotcha,usb signal would indeed be incompatible, but the stereo outs are fair game assuming you handle monitoring as he showed to avoid feedback

[@crazypopbeats]

thanks for the knowledge 🔥🔥

[@TheSicsicksix]

hi is it really USB bus power supply as mention on their website? as in u can plug in with powerbank?

[@BestKeptSecreization]

YES

[@IPMBEATS]

Not work on my mpc one :c

[@mpchead]

Has to work, this is connected to a computer

[@InkyDaCaT]

Looks fun😉🙌

[@EmceeRad]

Hmm, giving the kids away, Hard worker I assume? haha Good video

[@donaldjohnson5574]

MarLow, You have a way I could contact you privately?

[@ONEHENDRIX]

Wait… Does this mean that the MPC-X also works in 44 in stand alone? I never checked this? Is the 404 MK2 default 48? And if so can you bring it down to 44?

[@mpchead]

that's right, you can't seem to bring it down to 44 and I'm not sure about the X, I don't have it in the studio right now but I don't remember having a selection for sample rate.

[@ONEHENDRIX]

@@mpchead interesting 🤔. Thanks.

[@brumsy.official]

Hey Marlow, what lighting are you using for your videos ?

[@geppetto1218v]

Peace! How do you deal with the old setup of a pad your overwriting? I mean if you started working on your snare by pitching and adjusting decay, you wouldn't want your resampled snare to be pitched again by the setup you first made.

[@ng6030]

how you setup your cables?

[@mpchead]

this is all usb, no need for cables, both machines connected to the laptop via the software.

[@ricksanchez4344]

What kind of Interface are you using?

[@mpchead]

I have several. I have saffire pro 40 , lyra , and I use my mpcs as audio interface as well and even the 404 I ise as an audio interface. I also have a zoom recorder that I use as an audio interface. For this video I was using the 404 as the audio interface.

[@stefanodincecco]

Or save the resample sound in sp 404 and play back the modified samples from there staying in sync via MIDI.

[@MrVoroc]

Not being able to run the 404 through the MPC is actually the worst news I’ve ever got

[@MrVoroc]

Why don’t my legos fit together

[@mpchead]

Gotta use the laptop for now

[@tom22333]

Just not usb.

[@kingvulture5730]

only thing you forgot is everything has to be on a different program, a kick and snare have to be on two different programs and that slows down my workflow.

[@mpchead]

No they don't, you can send individual pads to different outputs. No need to change programs

[@kingvulture5730]

@@mpchead even if I have the same program on a different track and I change one track to out put 3,4…the program changes on the other track also

[@kingvulture5730]

@@mpchead but I get wht ur saying..ill try it

[@mpchead]

@@kingvulture5730 change just the pad output not the program

[@kingvulture5730]

@@mpchead thanks…also is this video still the best workflow for using those machines..cause the resample is never loud enough and keeps changing

[@christophschulze2908]

Has anyone an Idea how this works in windows? Can't find a specific driver and if i'm using "windows audio" in the MPC Software and select INs and OUTs of the SP i am getting feedback

[@yungshinto7224]

Dope workflow! 🔥 Since the 404 is being used by the DAW is the MPC in standalone?

[@mpchead]

No, the mpc is being used in controller mode.

[@fire.aux.chords]

@@mpchead oh ok

[@yungshinto7224]

@@mpchead makes sense, just wanted to check.

[@Yungcertified]

Hey Marlow helpful video. You think you can show us how to do this with the Zoom Sample-Trak ST-224?

[@jamesjr2550]

U want to run the sp 404 mk2 into the sampletrak are the other way around

[@fire.aux.chords]

so were you in controller mode?

[@embodie_breaks7089]

yes he was

[@Chrispie79]

Can you connect the two samplers via USB without the use of a comouter? The same way you would connect a tascam model 24...

[@mpchead]

no because of the different Sample Rates

[@meezymoe9769]

But you would be able to conntect the old 404s to it with out software

[@Polyend]

Pro tips!

[@don1mega]

Where did you get your 404 from. Have they been released yet? Thanks for all the vids.

[@mpchead]

They're hard to find but I managed to get one here in Portugal.

[@the_newvoice]

This big main stepped encoder on MPC Live II is quite annoying to operate, right?

[@VenxmMusic]

Is it just me or did that reverb snare sound waaaay better before it was resampled in the MPC… might have just been louder but something didn’t sound as nice about it. 🤔

[@mpchead]

It was not about sounding better just showing how it works, wouldn't use that on the beat.

[@VenxmMusic]

@@mpchead oh I know that, but it definitely didn’t sound as full, I was highlighting it because I have an MPC live and a SP404 mk 2 on the way and I have been considering different complimentary workflows.

[@tom22333]

Lmao @ the son joke

[@mpmi7588]

Seems like a major head ache if a computer is needed for all of this. A lot quicker to just edit your sample whatever way you want in the 404 and just shoot it manually into whatever other sampler you're using. In this case, the mpc is monster sequencer so if anyone is using these two together, I'd advise them to use the mpc as the main sequencer unless you use the 404 as a stand alone.

[@SUPAROCKINDJSMASH]

MARLO HEY BRO!!

[@The_Sonic_Ally]

hmm, think ill just resign my use of the 404 to a sample effects box. maybe some more dev might open the device out a bit more.

[@바퀴벌레-k8h]

MPC live line out - SP404 Line in // SP404 line out - Audio inferface Line in. Is that right connection for this setting?

[@mpchead]

In this video I am using USB connected to the computer.

[@espacemaxim]

Here's my dawless $1500 setup, now let's turn on the computer to make it work....

[@mpchead]

I just bought 1000 dollar shoes, now I have to walk everywhere because I can't use my car.

[@espacemaxim]

@@mpchead You wrote that on your typewriter and then scanned it into your computer, huh? 😂

[@amirhmt2388]

🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@tigeralexander]

If young Digs Two has half the ear for swung snares as you, we will be happy to take him.

[@mpchead]

eheh yeah I am sure he's gonna have swing with all these jazz records.

[@ricardomilice2470]

Can anyone explain to me, why 44k and 48k makes a difference to what he said. I honestly don’t understand.

[@akeyunturned3580]

It makes a difference only using the USB connections via the computer. If you are connecting these up with audio cables and not USB, it does not make a difference and you can do it as audio cables don’t care about sample rates, but with computer (usb) connections they have to match in order for them to play nice together. At least that is my understanding.

[@PeteOnTheBeat]

Really? I was thinking about using the 404 as a effect machine directly from my MPC. I can't work that way :( Pretty sad,but you saved me 500€

[@BestKeptSecreization]

Bro you still can smh !! Missing the point here

[@alexfennellart]

Or just get a MPC X

[@ChromeRockwell]

So they don't work together in standalone? Damn. Yea pass..

[@mpchead]

I was trying to use the 404 as an audio interface for the Live in Standalone but the 404 ia 48Khz and the Live is 44.1Khz so that doesn't work.

[@siaseeds8950]

wow how shitty that they can't work together in standalone