MR2 SW20 2AR-FE engine swap mount (Evey #3)

[@cduncan5690]

Great work man! Thanks for keeping the MR2 OEM+ mod market alive. I really hope these products are a hit.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

It really is my goal to have all this stuff look, feel and work as well as OEM parts. I really have fun making this stuff.

[@90beastmaster]

I've long left the MR2 family but I've always liked the idea of this motor swap. I'm still excited to see what you continue to do with these cars. Hopefully I can justify an MRS in the future.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

They keep getting more expensive but thankfully they are still readily available if you want to get back into MR2s

[@nickmudd]

Im so glad someone is trying to find OEM or cheap ways to do things with toyota. The AR market needs to really get going

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

I really like using OEM parts where possible because you often cannot beat the price to quality ratio. My R&D cams will be here in a week or so, really getting this 2AR party started!

[@markdenton4791]

Is there another transmission that will work with the 2ar-fxe besides the scion 6spd. I have a 2000 mr2 spyder I'd like too put that motor in but that tranny is a little hard to come by.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

The problem with the Spyder is not the transmission fitting the motor because there are many. for example in this build i'm using an E153. The issue is the spyder engine bay is tiny and other transmissions require cutting. The S54 *might* fit but i am not sure.

[@ToolsOutsideTheBox]

I love watching what you’re doing! You’ve inspired me to do a 2arfxe build in a Scion tC next. But I have to firstly finish my 1st Gen Scion xB. Too there’s not a guy out there repurposing the Prius engine! 😫

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

That's awesome! that should really wake up the tC

[@bucketofsaws]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks as hack as it would be i think a mid engine prius with the hybrid 2gr or a 2gr would be amazing, even with the factory auto out of a camry with paddles so everyone could enjoy it. its a dream but people love priuses and they dont die often so ... anyways love the vids !

[@JohnDoe-mx1sq]

I read on a forum someone did the double Atkinson cam to a Prius and found it to be more powerful. Nothing else about it and no more posts by them, so who knows.

[@ryanbrown5727]

Awesome work Mark! Happy to support the "fun"! 😂

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Thanks :)

[@mrkazman]

On the poly front mount: Will that be close enough to what your customers have, in terms of ts effect on the final alignment of the engine? I accept it's not going to affect the left/right lean of the engine much. Also, wouldn't you want to put the main bolt in from the side of the car? How will you get it out once your headers are installed? Torque control seem to be the best use for poly bushes, as they're usually not under as much load, right? that should reduce the transferred vibrations, I would think. Certainly I can recommend getting new mounts of any type for anyone with an MR2, My 1999's front mount rubber was detached from the steel, it felt horrible. I got a new bushing (Mackay A5111 Engine Mount Front) and pressed into the bracket. it feels SO much better, shifts much easier now.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

The poly front and rear mount i'm using is the factory mounts but the rubber is replaced with poly so the alignment is the same without having to worry about nearly as much droop due to the unsupported right side mount. It just makes locating that 4th mount at exactly the right spot quite a bit easier.

[@chuntinglam2610]

Man Great work. If this can fit the aw11 also it would be awesome.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

It does fit quite nicely in the AW11. Nick Bianco on facebook is currently doing one of those.

[@chuntinglam2610]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks hopefully I can get my hands on one of those.

[@alejandroortiza8685]

Keep it up Marc! I don't know you but Dave told me about you!

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Thank you for watching, i appreciate it.

[@PseudoKirby]

Any suggestions on using the old e153, where would be the best place to add mount holes?

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

It would be easiest to just get a more modern bellhousing and swap it onto your E153 than to modify it. But with that said, generally you want to add bolts in the biggest gaps. In this case it would be at the bottom. picking up the two bottom bolts would really help provide more secure mounting.

[@JohnDoe-mx1sq]

I really appreciate all your work. It really has me taking a second look at the NZ and AR platforms over anything from another make. Do you have a place to find information about the Denso box or NEC processors that come with these units? I'm having a hard time finding anything like a manual. You can't start doing the fun stuff until you know how the code works. Do you have any plans to try anything with a turbo? I'm sure you already know about the 8AR-FTS, so there are turbo pistons available. You could also try a 90mm bore with a 86mm crank, high compression pistons, long rods (probably custom) and revving the heck out of it. I have some ideas for higher revs, but they would take a lot of work.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Yeah, it does have a lot of potential and i think i'll go a long way to starting to show that in 2022. The way Toyota builds motors is very underrated for reasons i don't really understand but i'm doing what i can to fix that. There's no datasheet on the processor that i have been able to find. So there's no mapping of the peripherals on there. The NASA unintended acceleration report contains some incidental information but it isn't that much. There's a good chance that the die is not actually unique to Denso, the best way to go would be to buy a pile of NEC processors and decap them and decap the Denso units to do some compairaisons. You might even get away with decapping the Denso one only and potentially finding some markers on the die that indicate something. I do know that there's no NEC processor with the same number of pins so there's no easy match up like that.

[@rolldog82]

K20 vs 2ar?

[@qwuyn]

I can't remember if you address this or not in another video, but is the 2gr axle mount going to work on this swap or are you going to have to design another mount to support the axle? If so what is the eta on that?

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

The 2010 manual camry axle carrier should be close enough especially with an 1/8" shim between it and the block. This will get us going for now but i will eventually make a lightweight axle carrier bracket as long as there is enough demand for it. In the interim I'll probably release a shim plate.

[@qwuyn]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks so I'm leaning very heavily on doing a cal legal engine swap with the 2ar fe. Are you able to list all the emissions components I will need? Off the top of my head: egr, catalytic converters, charcoal canister, all vacuum lines... anything else? I'm not too familiar with emissions on newer vehicles.

[@BigGroupHug]

If you're not using high AKI race gas, would you use E85 instead for more timing and less knock?

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

I assume you're talking about the 2AR-FXE engine. I'm not using high octane race gas. Just the normal high octane stuff at the pump for street cars

[@e5141981]

Im a bit confused, what motor are tou going to squeeze its full potential? The regular 2ar or the fxe variant?

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Since i'll be replacing the pistons and the cams there's no difference between the FE and FXE for the sake of this discussion. If you want to be technical about it i'll likely be using a 1AR-FE crankshaft which will be the only differentiating component left in the engine.

[@e5141981]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks got it, any head work or just stock for the inicial testing

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@e5141981 For the initial testing I'm just going to run a stock engine. The initial testing will just be to make sure everything in the car works together and to get a base tune on there before i start tweaking. That said, there will be head work entering the picture quite soon after the initial testing. probably not the 2nd engine but probably on the 3rd engine.

[@e5141981]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks awsome! I have so many questions but i will stay tuned as you continue this build, all my questions will eventually be answered

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@e5141981 You can feel free to ask. even if it makes no sense to answer in a comment it gives me guidance to make sure i cover those things in future videos.

[@Shift-happens-tv]

have you ever thought about implementing the 2ar-fse with the D4-S port/direct injection system?

[@mrkazman]

I think direct injection requires much higher fuel pressur for the direct injection rail, which needs a secondary pump maybe? that would be a lot of added complexity, but if it's all mounted on the engine itself, it shouldn't be hard for our champion to tackle.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

The 2AR-FSE is actually a longitudinal motor so the block is completely different. It might be possible to swap the FSE head on an FE block to fix that but then the next problem is i'm 90% sure that it isn't available at all in the USA. Plus the benefit of port injection is that it effectively gives the effect of higher octane fuel which allows for higher compression and higher engine efficiency. But since we aren't limited by fuel octane here because i haven't limited this challenge to any fuel and I live in Indianapolis which has easy access to just about any fuel there really would not be anything gained with the extra complexity.

[@Shift-happens-tv]

What music do you listen to while you're doing all this?

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

It varies quite a bit but i have a subscription to spotify and here's a link to my automatic generated daily mix #1 which is a mishmash of the stuff i'm most likely to listen: open.spotify.com/playlist/37i9dQZF1E38T07gwK3P6P?si=b32e9aa729c24ac9

[@keitht8595]

What cam shafts are you using for the 2ar-fe?

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

These are all my design. I plan on putting these up for sale on the market as soon as i have tested them

[@keitht8595]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks you may already have a customer Trying to get my 2ar on some boost pressure but i have to look into some valvetrain upgrades.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@keitht8595 Stay tuned, I should start talking about the cams within a month. As soon as they get into my hands.

[@ckli5768]

how do you plan on dealing with the throttle? Or will that be in a future episode?

[@mrkazman]

If it's like the 2GR-FE (And i'm 90% sure it is), he already makes and sells the requisite pedal, adaptor mount and wiring for this exact application.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@mrkazman Exactly, i plan on keeping it drive by wire and just using my off the shelf pedal assembly: frankensteinmotorworks.squarespace.com/shop/sw20dbwpedal

[@ckli5768]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks making me really want to do this instead of my k Swap plans this winter lol. You're using the 2AR. Would it basically be the same grabbing a 1AR and having the extra displacement? It'll bolt up to the trans? (I have a later 94+ E153)

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@ckli5768 Yes, the 1ar and the 2ar are 100% interchangeable. the engine block and the head part numbers match exactly.

[@ckli5768]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks awesome! Looking forward to the next few videos for this swap, do you think it'll be feasible to run higher then 205WHP from the stock ECU you're offering? I have no emissions where I live, so there is no worry about dealing with inspections

[@someyoungguy1923]

Id be really interested in doing a 2ar sw20 swap with a 6 speed ea trans. Even an aw11. The e153 is becoming nearly unattainable at a reasonable cost. I know your build is a racecar but if you got time, and resources, I'd like to see more possibilities for a daily driven, cost effective, modern upgrade swap. Ofcourse toyota blood. Keep up the good work. Love the content.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Honestly this is a tough problem to handle. I absolutely want to solve this but there's also all the other messages i get that say they don't want to swap anything other than an E153 into the Spyder despite me providing a modern transmission option for those. The issue comes down to availability, there's really no manual transmission with great availability that is on the market today for use with these. When i picked the EB60 for the Spyder there were hundreds of them and they cost $500-800 a piece. now the junkyards all want more than Toyota wants for a new one. The EA60 starts even rarer and more expensive unless you're in the UK. So i totally want to solve this, i just don't know which transmission to use to do it with.

[@someyoungguy1923]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks thanks for entertaining my interests. I've notice with the pandemic, availability has gone scarce due to lack of importing and pricing has gone through the roof. IE: gen 4 3sgte prices have doubled.

[@overlordisgoogle8431]

Hahaha yes! Back for more.

[@cGreer20]

AW11 swaps too please.

[@user0055]

Science, fuck yeah.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Figuring this stuff out is a big part of the fun.

[@jeffman3]

*stares in I need this*

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

The mount should be available before the end of next month and you'll be able to build your own no problem

[@jeffman3]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks 1AR All-Trac, here I come! 👌

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@jeffman3 I think the all-trac actually has a slightly different mount location so you would need a different mount or to remake the frame side bracketry to use my mount.

[@flybymusic1337]

Me with my 2014 Camry four banger 👀

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

Bet you did not realize there was a monster under the hood eh?

[@technocody9296]

Can we swap to manual transmission? Cause my dealership told that torque converter warranty had expired so I want swap to manual in RAV4.

[@FrankensteinMotorworks]

@@technocody9296 depending on which year rav4 you could use factory parts to convert it to manual but a manual conversion is always a bit of a pain.

[@technocody9296]

@@FrankensteinMotorworks I'm using 2013 RAV4 I was thinking about retrieve parts from wrecked Scion 2.5 in pull 'n parts. I need Scion manual ECM, Shifter assembly, pedals assembly, clutch lines and clutch master cylinder. I want find LSD upgrade for winter.