Getting mid game Steel, Plastic & Cooling : Tutorial nuggets : Oxygen not included

After you sort out the early food and O2 you end up needing steel, ceramic and plastic. This all requires a cooling solution as well which requires steel and plastic. How do you get the required materials without having the materials you need to get them. The answer, dupes a bunch of heat into another biome.
This save had 1200kg steel and 200kg plastic so you can practice setting up your own industrial brick.
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This save has the cooling loop settings, don't put the temp lower than -3 or you might freeze the water in the pipes (There is some wiggle room if you want to experiment, aquatuner reduces the temp by -14 and polluted water freezes at about -20 so theoretically you could get set as low as -6)
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[@YadonTheCat]

"I finally got my head around this game", I said to myself like a fool

[@azametturan9843]

Wow your pfp is cute

[@austinclague480]

I said this to myself a couple years ago after playing for a few months I had no idea what I was talking about.

[@druminator3340]

This game is a constant state of "wtf is going on?!"

[@CMDRZero01]

​@druminator3340 Everytime something goes wrong, it's a problem I didn't think would be a problem. Next thing I know my base is filling with natural gas, I'm not producing enough oxygen, and I've installed part of my power grid backwards. Lol

[@newCoCoY6]

I respect that this guy is able to talk fast while still being coherent. Makes the tutorial way shorter than normal for the same amount of information.

[@nivodeus]

Exactly. But if you saw some videos, there were some instances where he talked too fast, he confused himself and just gave up on it :). I always thought I have my video at 1.25x runspeed LOL

[@somedude5951]

@@nivodeus Agreed. The reason he makes his video's as short as possible, is why he wins the competition with other oni video's.

[@somedude5951]

@Split Dimension You can adjust the speed of video's on KZbin. Menu is behind the gear.

[@wesplybon9510]

Right? If you need a break, that's what the pause/rewind is for, otherwise, let the information flow!

[@larrylindgren9484]

But mostly he hurried through telling you to go watch someone else's video on how to do it. He knows what he's doing. Don't get me wrong. This is a guild how and what to do. That's what guilds are. . He should be showing you exactly what he put in the air making place. Not oh here it is now go watch this other guys video to see what I did. If this was a let's build. Fine. Be quick because it's just building a base. This is a guild. If not just make a guild telling you to what videos to watch. Is all he's done. This is a guild. It should be telling you the how and the why.

[@maebeknot2145]

OMFG this is amazing. I've played over 900 hours since the launch of EA. Never got into the mid-game as defined in this video. I always found getting setup to make oil and plastics super complicated. Also never have used steal or steam turbines. This has made me not able to enjoy about half the content in-game. Thanks to this video I believe I'm ready to finally able to get past the mid-game hump!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Welcome to the steel age, I think you will find more than half of the game is here. You can freeze or boil the map if you want, blot out the sun with rockets. Your next 900 hours are going to be a hell of a lot of fun.

[@OscarChabrand]

I'm glad I'm not the only slow learner here! Been playing for several hundred hours as well and barely now I have made it to cycle 200 relatively well, and am ready for plastic and steel manufacturing.

[@failedGraphics]

Same, I literally bought this game day one and have been playing it constantly since and ive never used plastic before. I like to take my time woth the game so i spend like 70 cycles getting set up but by then ive run out of water and food and the heat starts creeping in so instead of going mid game i just spend time fixing problems until ive decided I learned enough and start again.

[@vishensivparsad]

@@failedGraphics search for oni tutorial and see Francis' beginner guide for nifty tools. By this point you're probably past early game though lol

[@jonaut5705]

Yeah, same. Almost 300 hours and I only just realized that I shouldn't be just dumping dupes into the oil biome and hoping they survive.

[@alexanderharrison7421]

So essentially my problem for "The Learning Gap" is that I'm caring too much about the environment

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The environment is just resources that your dupes can't use yet. Mine it all :p

[@alexanderharrison7421]

Does being on Rime change anything

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@alexanderharrison7421 Yes, it's easier. You can dump even more heat into the oil biome because it's so chilly and you don't even need atmo suits to gain access to it.

[@tristo99]

Split Dimension just spam deodorisers and dumb slime in an underwater storage bin look at his beginners guide he goes through almost everything

[@arandomharuhiist]

@Split Dimension slime is not a threat at all, i tore down 2 full slime biomes before getting exo suits and only 1 dupe caught slimelung. no medical beds or doctor dupes and they still recover in a couple cycles. didn't notice a bit of difference while they were sick. just keep the polluted water from falling into your clean water (don't combine it with your bathroom water either, that has food poisoning and slime biome doesn't)

[@KaoVamp]

I really appreciate a tutorial like this. Thanks for making it Francis. Before watching this my stuff was downright scattered. Between this and petrol boiler I might just get to space.

[@wreckcelsior]

Another great nugget Francis... I especially like the "Here's one I made earlier" cooking show line. :) cheers mate.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I though I managed to sneak that one by, your showing your age just like me :)

[@TubeTAG]

This was an excellent tutorial! It covered the required concepts without delving too deep into secondary concerns (how cooling loops work, how to set up exo-suit docks, how steam turbines work, etc.) keeping the information concise and focused. When I initially saw the 20+ minute run time I was a little apprehensive but I never once was like, "Yeah, get on with it!" like I am with so many tutorials. Keeping a distinction between stream recordings and tutorials is a thing for me. I appreciate it a lot!

[@kammil14]

The way I've started over again and again a couple of times, going over your tutorial, each time figuring out I should have done something much faster and realising my mistakes. Getting through this video was especially challenging lol. You explain it well, but there's just so much to do once you get atmo suits.

[@skijwalker5543]

Poluted waterland then regular water on top to make a vacume ..... Mind officially blown away ! Awesome tutorial 😃 thx

[@commonsense-og1gz]

you can make a vacuum, but i have never had problems with oxygen in it.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@commonsense 200 it does not gum up the works at all?

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@FrancisJohnYT i haven't had any trouble with my turbine from any air so far. i have had under temperature water damage my aquatuners so i installed a door on the side of the steam chamber, but the steam seems to overpower any air in the system.

[@braize6279]

Why is the layer of polluted water needed at the bottom of the steam turbine? What would happen if you used all clean water?

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@braize6279 if you're asking about the water in the chamber with the aquatuner, he may have placed that there thinking that it would help exchange heat up until it flashes to steam. eventually pure water will be the only thing in that chamber, afterwards. the better choice would be to add petroleum, or crude oil due to the high temp threshold, and higher thermal conductivity, for distributing the heat to the steam above. if you are using just pure water, it will work as well. i have never had problems with just a steel aquatuner in pure steam.

[@mrfikss]

Great work again FJ. I really wish we could get more of these practical how-tos and less of the math crunching theorycrafting ONI tutorials. You've become my go-to guy for ONI help. Thanks a lot.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Glad you enjoy. That was the whole reason I started making these, did not like the tutorials out there.

[@MrErock1000]

Even four years later these guides are excellent. Thank you for sharing.

[@NameFirst834]

An oasis without gold amalgam literally doubles the time it takes to do anything industrial. Amazing tutorial as always 👌🏻

[@probablynotmyname8521]

It depends, if you have a supply of water at a reasonable temperature then you can get steel going very quickly.

[@FaithOriginalisme]

My second time building this, I've used your trick for automated liquid locks, and automated the filling of the aquatuner section.. Now I just gotta plan where things go, and dive into some petroleum boiling.. Your videos have been a great help into me understanding how to do things in this game. Thanks!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This video was a topic someone suggested in the comments, has ended up being one of the most watched videos I have ever had. Who knew helping people out could feel so good.

[@JacobSReeds]

This is exactly what I needed. Thanks a ton! I've completely hollowed out a map from magma to space but trying to put this together safely has always been rough. I'll absolutely be incorporating these designs. Thanks again!

[@daimonos418]

I bought the game about 5 mins into this wonderful vid. Currently £13.41 _for the bundle_ on Steam in the sales. I've played lots of Factorio and Satisfactory but this fluids and thermodynamics view of the world is new and very appealing. I'm going to be coming back to this time and over again - there's so much to learn! Thanks again this is great. x

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This game also comes with a built in time warp, make sure you don't have anything time sensitive to do in the real world for the first week. Enjoy.

[@lobstercat]

This guy is amazing, and he really helped me get started on all the basics of ONI.

[@MrNabows]

9:33 "We have atmo suits, so we don't give a...we don't care" LOL GJ on the tutorials, base building and ALSO keeping it family friendly!

[@TLangas]

What was holding me back, was the first step of acquiring the first batch of steel & plastic. I never knew what to do with all of the heat. You made it so simple. Do nothing. Just make the heat in a place that is already hot.

[@smileybones9172]

19:45 "This is just a standard setup." Me, learning most of this first the first time: *begins hyperventilating*

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This has changed quite a bit since, they have put automation ports on liquid tanks so you can get similar results with far less effort.

[@YamaZombies]

I'm on cycle 819 and just starting to get into steel/plastic production properly, this is a great help thanks!

[@nathanc4183]

Thank you for this, I've just started thinking about the mid-game and how to get all that refined metal. I have it a bit easier since there's a huge glacier next to my base to dump all the heat into, but the general setup is very helpful.

[@tiagopesce]

Done the "aggressive version" really neat, the dupes take kinda 50 cycles to finish all the digging, building, and setting up. the most annoying part is know what to do with all of that natural gas, since i already tapped a vent nearby and have 500t coal from the hatch-farming...

[@charliejulietdavies8715]

i'm so glad for the automation innovation update giving us tanks with automation output, so you don't have to build those contrived overflow sensors

[@Greippi10]

Does this tutorial predate that update? So basically I could just run the automation wire straight from the tanks to the refinery without a need for a sensor in the pipes? Also the way he does it here isn't he missing a not-gate? This way the refinery only activates when the pipe is full, no?

[@Randoo1]

Absolutely phenomenal tutorial I was wondering what to do next with my base and I couldn't get around to doing it. This is will definitely help thank you

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Should have done this a while a go judging by the comments.

[@Randoo1]

@@FrancisJohnYT I just enjoy watching the crazy things you do I'm pretty new to the game so this is helpful. 😀

[@erikwibowo8596]

holy brain, how does people came up with this. great tutorial!

[@TheMindverse]

Thanks Francis for all the great videos you put out for ONI. You've helped me in so many ways. Love your accent! As a clueless American, I'm curious as to what "brick" means in your videos. I'm kind of assuming you mean a kind of foundational module for your base, but I could be wrong. And, I absolutely live for "aaaaaaaand we're back..." :)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Brick is just a building block, could be an old red brick or a concrete brick. Most my of my designs in ONI end up brick shaped hence the unimaginative names.

[@exginto8053]

As a SD this resonates with em so much. This is simple demonstration why you pay senior software developers more that to junior ones. They know how to avoid pitfalls and set the project on the right track for an expansion.

[@nadiadima9449]

Thank you so much! I have just seen my first steam turbine working and I feel so inspired, like the nice little nerd I am :D . Now I only need to figure out why mine is not at full capacity.

[@d3viousdom854]

I forget how big the asteroids were in the original game. Spaced out Asteroids are Wayyyy smaller than the regular ONI ones.

[@CaptainMisery86]

i like the analogy that this is like climbing a cliff and then jumping off

[@joeblack4436]

I really like your route of going straight for a Metal Refinery with the oil. Very good. Will use that. I think drip cooling with water is the first cooling method somebody should learn about and it can use very little power. Throttle a mini-pump to 200g/s and it effectively uses only 12W. Better yet lol Throttle a regular pump to 200g/s and it effectively uses only 4.8W. I sometimes find mini-pumps are overrated unless you absolutely must have the most compact design possible. Which reminds me... I still wanted to try and make a SPOM with mini-pumps just for fun even though they are less efficient.(edit: nah... it's not very good)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm not sure mini pumps are to highly rated? I must admit I don't get on the forums as much as I'd like any more so I could be out of date. Drip cooling can and will work, that is pretty much what I use to get the first 200 kg of plastic.

[@joeblack4436]

@@FrancisJohnYT No I just mean as an "advanced" tech. Not sure why it's even in the game. I'd say drip cooling is best unless you absolutely desire to make an enclosed block. But yeah style differs. As more of a minimalist I tend to try to get the most of the least. I find going the big brick route comes with the caveats. For example. Now you decide to cool with turbines and aquatuners. Now your design for something to make plastic with needs to allow for 200 plastic and a 400W cooling cost minimum depending on if you can get the turbine to run at optimal levels and what other powered bits and bobs you want to attach to your cooling solution. There's always brute forcing it and just diverting more petroleum to the generator, but that takes away from plastic production again. And in the end you just have to ask. What do I need all that plastic for? Is it just to make more plastic. I have one colony now that I recently left on running overnight while i was sleeping recently where I had already converted all my ladders to plastic. I've also given all my dupes comfy beds. And now there's 31t of plastic. I think that should work just dandy for a sick transit tube system now. And of course I can worry about other little projects and just leave it running overnight again. That's one plastic press. I doubt anybody actually realistically need more than that. My whole oil based industrial system is rather fetchingly built into a single small cleared out swamp biome on top of the hot biome. It looks downright evil genius if you ask me.

[@jonathantio7531]

Cycle 279 now, time to make my mini industrial brick. Every time i've refined metals i've always just built a metal refinery and mass refined 99*100kg of xyz metals. Now i've got a better idea on how to begin and expand!

[@soth1438]

Thank you a whole lot for these, I always enjoy your content. New and old!

[@TheBushdoctor68]

Great stuff, as usual. One thing I don't fully understand, is why you dropped a layer of p-water in the cooler before adding clean water to push the gasses out - at 12:34 Why not just use clean water? I suspect it has something to do with the total amount... Because using only clean water would require a lot more kg's and puts too much in the cooler? (I'm figuring this out as I write this, apparently)... So, basically using p-water first, causes that only little clean water is needed to fill the entire cooler and drive the gasses out? Ohhhh it's a trick! :) Yea.. I think I've arrived... Gonna give it a shot. Thanks a lot for this series of videos man!

[@JayzenFreeze]

Late to the party here, I have one issue with the refineries. If I dont do a setup I seen where they add a shutoff valve to it. Eventually the petrol gets to hot and bursts a pipe for me. That shutoff valve would stop the petrol from going back to the refinery and forcing it to circulate in the steam longer till it cools down enough to run more steel.

[@K1NGJ1M]

Your videos are super helpful thank you so much for doing these tutorials you legend.

[@Trilla2517]

what do i put the sensor filter on it just disables my refinery

[@ambeegaming76]

Wow I haven't built an Electrizer in MONTHS I've since stopped running out of water and dying xD

[@VD.....]

I was waiting for this video thank you very much amazing tutorial

[@thegavsters]

Your videos have helped me so much recently with ONI and trying to understand how the games deals with things. I did notice when setting up the refinery that instead of using a liquid detector to turn off the refinery its possible to link the refinery to the storage with a an automation cable which turns it off when storage is full. I don't know if this was a feature added after you did this.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That feature was added with the automation update, made things much simpler. The devs do pay attention and try and make things easier/better. I still remember when temperature sensors only went up to 300C before they realized we liked to play with magma :)

[@REGANELITE]

This video is super helpful for me thanks for the tips 👍🏻

[@oguzcav]

I'm watching all your guides that are very effectively helping me. Thank you. But i'm not sure what is wrong about this video in particular. This is my sixth attempt to watch this video. I've fallen asleep and could't see the end on my all the previous attempts.

[@endruler8625]

Here's a quick question I can't seem to see if you've given the answer for: What's the temp sensor for the pipe leading to the aquatuner set to?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It depends what temp you want to keep your industrial brick at but do not set it below -3C or you will get broken pipes. Personally I aim for about 24C as it is a good temp for most of the early/mid game plants.

[@endruler8625]

@@FrancisJohnYT Good to know! Thanks a bunch!

[@manji575]

Love these tutorials. Started playing Oni and I'm always nervous about drilling through Abyssalite. I'm afraid it's going to creep in heat into my base. Should I not worry about it?

[@reverseflow6903]

Hey just saw this, but hopefully you still want an answer. You should insulate what parts of your base you want to stay cool, but otherwise heat is not really an issue in this game- that is unless you are growing crops for some reason, which would be dumb considering how OP hatches are for food, but if you are just put some insulated tiles and you are good. You should also consider the thermal conductivity of stuff. CO2 has very low conductivity, and so heat will not transfer through it very well. Oxygen is better, but still not that great. All that to say heat spreads through blocks much better than through air, and so if you put some insulated tiles where necessary you are good to go. I regularly run 40+ degree bases (Celsius of course) and as long as I don't make some of the hotter stuff out of lead I have never had an issue. Hatches don't care about heat, just they just live long enough to make eggs to evolve into meat.

[@zauberdiva17]

How did you manage to fill in the liquid lock area? There is not enough space for liquid pumps on top of those blocks? Otherwise great tutorial,although I wish you didn't skip a few steps in between.

[@Greippi10]

It seems this tutorial predates some update that added automation to reservoirs? So instead of a sensor I can just run automation wires from the reservoirs to the refinery, right? Also this setup doesn't seem like it works the same as the one in your Practical Automation Tutorial, it's missing the not-gate. Building it this way would mean the refinery only turns on if the reservoirs are full and there's petroleum in the pipe, right? Regardless, thanks for the great tutorials!

[@reverseflow6903]

He forgot the not gate. You do need one.

[@scottyl9074]

quick question. why are we making the steam turbine out of plastic?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It's just one of the ingredients required to make steam turbines. Steam turbines are the key to late game tech via heat deletion so they locked it behind plastic. They could have used steel but that would be easier to get, plastic is a bit more complicated. Well unless you start breeding for glossy drecko's early.

[@metalmayhem3622]

9:25 Why do you have mesh tiles with water under your coal generators?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That was just lazy play, I did not want to waste time disposing of the water so I just left it in a hole while I finished the tutorial.

[@dominic.h.3363]

I learned piping hierarchy from you, thanks for that! I was wondering, is there a way to provide liquid to an input through two different outputs but in a way, that the input port doesn't pass on the liquid to other inputs of the pipe network? Let's say I want to pump polluted water into a metal refinery from a cold slush geyser, but without the metal refinery passing on the rest of the water it can't take to other plumbing, wasting my precious cool polluted water, but without making the cold slush pump and the metal refinery a closed loop, so the refinery could accept coolant from other sources. Thanks!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Not sure I understand the question full but if you want the refinery to accept coolant from two sources you would use a bridge. What ever liquid you want to take priority gets fed into the white side of the bridge. The secondary liquid gets plugged into the output green section.

[@dominic.h.3363]

@@FrancisJohnYT The "refinery" has an input. If it's full and doesn't accept more liquid, the liquid from "Pump A" travels along the pipeline to the next device's input. I want to avoid that, that's my main focus here. I want "Pump A"-s output to feed the refinery exclusively and only the refinery, while making it possible for the refinery to also accept fluid from a "Pump B", so without putting the "refinery" and "Pump A" in a closed loop. Hope you understand now. Thank you!

[@ScoffMathews]

How does the petroleum refinery bit work? I can't find this other video you speak of.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The new automation update made the petroleum refinery build obsolete so I removed it from the play list. It's still on the channel though if you search for practical automation. Liquid tanks now have automation sensors so it is actually much simplier.

[@ScoffMathews]

@@FrancisJohnYT oh really? I should try to go through complete patch notes

[@aarondraws7699]

tried to do this but made the radiant pipes out of lead and they melted I am in great pain

[@drovertable]

Hi I did exactly like your guide. But my metal refinery still taking overheat damage. While the water on the top floor isnt changing into steam at all. :/

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Did you use radiant pipes inside the steam/water area? Did you fill the refinery with Oil or some some other high temp liquid?

[@drovertable]

@@FrancisJohnYT yes... but after the problem I had to change the metal refinery to ceramic instead on igneous rock and use petroleum as coolant. The water is becoming steam now and my metal refinery isnt taking any more damage. Can you do a guide on glass forge? I cant figure out how to not damage the pipe output of it

[@mohammedhabib2569]

I wanted to understand the math behind the heating more and i dont get how this works. The steam turbine deletes around 800 kdtu while the aquatuner provides 585 kdtu and the metal refinery when making steel makes 2000 kdtu. So how does the steam turbine handle 2585 kdtu when it can only delete a maximum of 800kdtu

[@WillRaben]

Please do one about base optimization, I'm on cycle 1300 LOX and LH and im starting to notice the lag issue, 23 dupes + two pilots. Nee ideas, running lots of errands manually.

[@poppavein1]

I'm on cycle 700+ and can only go for a few cycles before it crashes. My last asteroid made it to 1000+ with constant crashing, and now it won't even come up. This game is buggy as fuck.

[@asdfdfggfd]

Step one, turn off time lapse video in save game dialog.

[@probablynotmyname8521]

Apparently a lot of the lag comes from the dupe path finding, so adding automation and simplifying routes can help. I use a lot of auto sweepers to preload machines. Sweepers and conveyors help you move stuff around reducing dupe movement tasks.

[@WillRaben]

​@@probablynotmyname8521 Yeah that's what I mean but I get kindof lost with the settings the sweepers work but dupes still do manual stuff. Also, I tried the dropoff single spot storage but now my dupes are doing lots of trips for everything whereas before they could get some of the stuff from the floor. Overall It's not unplayable but im already at the point of not being able to run it maxspeed, at least not while expecting to move the camera smoothly.

[@Ghorda9]

@@WillRaben connecting ladder segments can help you if you have a lot of separate ladder bits hanging around.

[@sungna4266]

Why is mine randomly apears sand below the steam turbine

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Sounds like the left over dirt from the polluted water got heated to over 325C causing it to turn into sand. The room should not have gotten above 200C, was the steam turbine working? Did you have enough water in the steam room?

[@xYamakaze]

When I got into my oil biome something was very wrong on the heatmap and I was seeing molten lead and petroleum mixing about with sour gas. Turns out a POI spawned in a very bad spot and broke the abyssalite barrier between the magma biome and the oil biome. Luckily I was able to plug it up with some obsidian insulation before the damage got any worse.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

When I get to the oil biome I try to scout it all immediately for this very reason. Sounds like your quick reaction made you life a lot easier.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@AKUJIRULE Point of Interest. It includes vents, geysers, volcanos, oil wells, little/big buildings, offices etc. They are put in last and can overwrite normal map features like borders between biomes.

[@JokeryEU]

the oxygen gets destroyed even if u leave some inside so no need to put polluted water and clean water the sec those steam gen starts all extra gases are removed and only pure clean steam remains. i know this because i had a LOT of sour gas didnt had this cooling loop, and overheated the petroleum over its limit and a lot of sour gass got released. so when i made the cooling loop for refinery with steam gen placed 300-400kg per title inside maybe was a bit much and the moment the steam turbine started all gases other than steam been destroyed.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Are you sure? I have not tested it in a while but foreign gasses use to block ports in the past.

[@nadiadima9449]

Hey! I just did the natural gas chamber like you did and when i put the liquid element sensor it just permanently shuts off my oil refinary. Do you know why? Thanks!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You got a screenshot or a save game file I can look at? Sounds like you placed it where their is always going to be liquid.

[@UncleSporky]

There are other comments talking about this. The way he shows it in the video, it requires adding a "not" gate. Because detecting nothing in the pipe = red = off, so the opposite of that is green, letting the refinery turn on. Just a small mistake.

[@wijn1008]

So i build this contraption with polluted water at the bottom. Problem was that the dirt inside was getting to 300 degrees and broke my gold radiant pipes and i had petroleum leaking into my steambox. soo...just use regular water... or build radiant pipes out of steel.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

How did the temp hit 300c, the steam turbine should never let it get that hot,

[@wijn1008]

@@FrancisJohnYT I did a rollback on the game. Apperantly i made 1 piece of pipe out of lead which caused the whole thing to melt down. You really need gold for the radiant pipes. It works fine now... (UGH my bad)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@wijn1008 Everyone has had stuff like that happen to them.... several dozen times. It's one of the reasons we love this game so much,

[@derekpolman3865]

Do you really need Petroleum for the refinery coolant? It's nearly the same properties except the higher heat threshold. Oil is 400c which is very high.

[@dislikeme1626]

what an amazing guide ty sir

[@HuorNolatari]

wonderful guide tbh but i have two questions, how do you refine glass inside that room and also, can you use crude oil or petroleum as your cooling loop ? i lack polluted water/water on my map

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Petroleum and crude oil can work but it will cost you more energy due to the way aquatuners work, they reduce the temp of a liquid going through it by a flat 14C regardless of heat capacity. You should have no issues refining glass in that room, just make sure the glass forge is not in any liquid.

[@fang_xianfu]

I kinda wish you had gone into getting atmo suits established. In particular I find getting reed fiber a pain in the bum. But good guide for getting past that point :)

[@probablynotmyname8521]

Mike Stanley you need some drecko farms with a shearing station, trap some hydrogen at the top of the room to get them to produce reed fiber.

[@Ghorda9]

you dont need any farms or ranches, just gather the reed fibre from the slime biome or just shear the wild dreckos.

[@probablynotmyname8521]

Ghorda9 true but if you dont have a slime biome its a pain. Dreckos also have other benefits as well, i also want them for the phosphorite and the odd bit of meat helps.

[@Ghorda9]

​@@probablynotmyname8521 i think all asteroids have at least thimble reed or dreckos and wild drecko shearing is fairly easy.

[@probablynotmyname8521]

Ghorda9 there is none on my current map but i am using the custom world gen mod or maybe i havent found the biome yet. I didnt know you could shear wild ones. Thats good to know 🙂

[@tyraelpl]

What kinda bothers me is why do you use a pump for oil to supple the metal refinery and not a closed loop with a few radiant pipes? Seems kinda wasteful power wise especially in the mid game where hear generated by power buildings is an issue.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Been a while since I watched this but all the stuff is closed loop on the cooling front. You pump petroleum into the refinery and then you disconnect the feed pipe. Save game file is attached.

[@tyraelpl]

Oh a reply! Nice! Not really tho, look at the refinery at 4:58. Imho a closed loop even with normal pipes should work nice perhaps a few tempshifts a bit later on. Thank you for the guide tho, at this point I dont exactly need it myself but I was curious ;)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@tyraelpl Ah the first one, that is the temporary one so I did not bother investing any infrastructure into it. It gets run a max of 24 operations to get the necessary steel for the main build. Then it is demolished.

[@tyraelpl]

Yeah I know, still would save some power with little more to no more effort at all. I really enjoy your content and I like you as a person :) I hope you thrive and prosper as a content creator and especially as ONI one :P Thank you!

[@hypocondria6835]

The only problem for me is that the output pipe of the aquatuner keep getting damage because of cold, much appreciated if someone help me

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That means the water is freezing in the aquatuner, make sure your automation will not allow the water to go below 0C. Remember the aquatuner reduces the temp of liquid going through it by 14C.

[@slitherking7822]

It might be a long shot to ask this late after the video was created, but at 18:00 ish your coolant loop inside the metal refinery is not connected to any input or output, yet there is some kind of liquid going into the thermo aquatuner room, how/what liquid is this and how do i get it inside the loop?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

That is petroleum that is inside the metal refinery cooling loop. It's a closed loop system to the coolant just goes round and round. You get it into the refinery by piping on petroleum please see 15:58

[@darkshade567]

Quick question, at 12:18, to push the oxygen out, we are layering polluted water on top of plain water. Why not use only polluted water? It has a bigger temperature range we can work with right? What is the need for the clean water underneath the polluted water? Thanks!

[@S_Black]

If you use only one liquid you need to put it 1000kg per tile into the lower layer to fill it. The two liquids are so you fill two layers with less liquid and push out the gasses on top. Otherwise you'd need to vacuum out the chamber, which is a pain

[@FatesDesign]

For the oil refinery in the save you have a pipe element sensor set to petrolium but it disables the oil refinery even with empty pipes? what am i doing wrong i cant figure out how to just disable when both tanks are full

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The pipe sensor should be connected to a not gate, the NOT gate flips to the signal to on until crude oil is detected in the pipes.

[@Smokeybear69420]

How do you deal with steam from the polymer presses? is the amount of steam generated negligible?

[@Cloud_Seeker]

Unless the heat become to much it is negligible. However you should look for a cooling system as the heat from the press is rather high. The water is just to mop up.

[@valleyFITONY]

Please someone help me, my insulated pipe just breaks all the time. I have no idea how to fix it. I did as the video but still it breaks.

[@S_Black]

Which one? The refinery loop? The cooling loop? Make sure your liquid doesn't boil or freeze in the pipe

[@valleyFITONY]

@@S_Black The insulated pipe inside the "steam cage"

[@S_Black]

@@valleyFITONY If it freezes check that the pipe temperature sensor is set high enough. The aquatuner cools by 14°C. That's also why polluted water is used. So the sensor needs to turn off the aquatuner when the water is already cold enough and then the bridge bypasses it. The temperature doesn't need to that low anyways. 20°C water is perfectly fine. If you somehow get steam in the pipe (doubtful) make sure you use ceramic.

[@valleyFITONY]

@@S_Black Thank you, it seems to be working now

[@Jack_Sparrow_85]

I cant find anywhere in the video where he explains where to connect the temperature sensor with the automation wire and what to set it at

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Below is the time stamp to the sensor setting we put it at 25c, you should run an automation wire from the thermo sensor to the Aquatuner so it can control it. The save game file is linked in the description, it's for the base game not the DLC and it's pretty old by now so I don't know if it will load up anymore. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZ3dl4CEfKiVaqcsi=RIy1mXyVahEcU9oM&t=884

[@Jack_Sparrow_85]

@@FrancisJohnYT thankyou! I did work it out in the end 🙂

[@crystaldazz]

Is Decor really necessary though? I always ignore it.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It depends, with decor bombing you main excessively you can hit +12 moral for all your dupes. If you don't need the moral then you can ignore decor entirely.

[@paintedcrow]

Personally, I spoil my dupes--I think their Overjoyed responses are both useful and adorable :)

[@devincode]

Is there any reasoning behind that downward digging pattern? I know digging a single column ladder straight down can take a long time and alot of running back and forth.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

With a single line down only one dupe can work at a time. I will need to enlarge it later anyway. More space allows the gas to flow. Give it a try next time you are digging down. Save the game, queue up the dig commands and see how long it takes. Reload and try the straight down method. Compare times they should be about the same.

[@devincode]

@@FrancisJohnYT I usually dig an S pattern beside the ladder. I read this somewhere a few months ago. Makes it go considerably faster. Just wondered if the way you did it had any speed benefit (without trying it myself)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@devincode Not that I'm aware, I'm just to lazy to redo the ladder system afterwards.

[@blainemorin]

Just wanted to mention that I copied this almost exactly, and I found that once the water flashed to steam, the surrounding pressure of the liquid vent rose above 1kg so once the steam temp rose above 125C, the steam turbine couldn't run since it couldn't output water. I made the steam tank bigger by 1x2 and that reduced the surround pressure and made it work. Is this because I dumped a bunch of water instead of use polluted water + water? Thanks.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Liquid vents cannot output into pressure of 1000kg or above. Just make sure the pressure in the steam area is below that and you should be fine.

[@krishanson3889]

@@FrancisJohnYT How do you control the pressure in the steam area once it is enclosed?

[@zscallorn]

I'm confused on the petroleum oil refinery. You put a liquid pipe element sensor in, but you don't say what to set it to. I set it to petroleum, and now they won't use it. So what should I set it tO?

[@andrel.2768]

Why put water on top of polluted water? Can I use clean water only?

[@TrapperC2112]

This is my question as well. I'm not quite grasping the polluted thing. But if FJ does it, I'm sure there must be a reason. I'd still appreciate an explanation, however. 😊

[@a70274]

I usually screw myself over by forgetting to setup a cooling system but using cool steam vent water anyways

[@drainzeroo]

Me a new player watching this video: What is that building? What pipe made of what material now? What goes into where? I might be too dumb for this game

[@mirjanbouma]

Nah, you just need to trial and error it! This video is for when you're past the initial stage of getting oxygen, sanitation, power, and food running. Part of the fun is messing about, making mistakes, and figuring out what you did wrong.

[@Mark-xt8jp]

Don't use polluted water in that cooler!!! I've learned the hard way (twice now), that small bits of dirt left behind when polluted water turns to steam, when heated will turn into sand, and form solid tiles of as little as 7g: i.imgur.com/pX0tHFw.png these block everything up, the refinery can't cool down and eventually breaks, spilling very hot petroleum everywhere and it's all ruined. I'm having to reload my game now to take this all apart and fill it with only water.

[@FuaConsternation]

lol. i love his cliche of "but that's not what we're here for" as he breezes by a tangent that's a little bit more complicated and less efficient

[@Cris-id4ke]

i've never been able to reliably go past this stage, i always end up overheating and making a mess because i didn't know how to deal with heat.

[@alicehollocher9171]

A word of warning - don't do what I did and run your metal refineries full tilt for too many cycles - the dirt left behind by the polluted water *cooked itself into sand in the steam room*, breaking my cooling loops! I was expecting the dirt to be a minor annoyance at best, but it has all gone very wrong!

[@fleurypr]

break the tile and sweep it off

[@FrancisJohnYT]

So long as I had enough water in the steam area I never ran into that problem. I keep the steam at about 200kg. That way you don't get any heat spikes.

[@RonnieLowry]

Putting granite temp shift plates around everywhere fixed that problem for me

[@archangel9362]

hiya, was wondering if i could get some insight with a prolem im having, one of the output pipes of the auqa tuner always gets cold damage, not sure how to prevent this

[@seongyuhhaur5120]

Pipe Temperature sensor and bypass bridge as well as liquid shutoff. Putting a layer of crude oil on the aquatuner floor can also help transfer some heat to the pipe

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Are you controlling the temp of the liquid? If you reduce the temp of the liquid below it's freezing point it will break the pipe on exiting the aquatuner. Check out the second save game file in the description. It has a functional cooling loop running. You can throw some heat at the cooling loop and see how it handles it.

[@FrederickFokker]

I don't need a steam vent to use a steam turbine. I am the dumbest man alive. All this time I could have...oh forget it. I'll be in my cot, crying into my pillow.

[@QWERTY-du4hc]

the pipe from my cooler keeps busting. Ive tried every material with no luck :(

[@nicogomeze]

would it work to build the whole machinery area in a vacume to avoid cooling?

[@Mach3Maelstrom]

Been playing for a while. I've always set up Atmo Suits locally where they're needed, i.e. Steam Vents, Oil Biome Entrances, etc. Seeing your base Atmo Suit dock looks intriguing to test out instead. Do you recommend doing this Atmo Suit dock for all cases, or only for certain cases? If so, which cases?

[@indecisiverift]

if you have a good oxygen production solution, having one big bay of suits on the way out of the base just makes sense. The suits will automatically be filled up by a tiny percent of your o2 production and your dupes can be safe and snug anywhere they are outside the living area of your base. bonus: it makes not caring about random gasses and temps in the space outside your base a lot easier too ;)

[@probablynotmyname8521]

I use crude oil as my coolant for the metal refinery, it then goes straight into the oil refinery to destroy the heat.

[@commonsense-og1gz]

unless it's a bug in the game, the heat should be applied to the petroleum leaving the refinery. i haven't paid any attention to temperature of oil at the refinery so i don't know.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

They patched the refinery it now outputs at min 70C I believe but more if the crude is hotter. You can still dump heat by putting it in petroleum and burning it in petroleum gen.

[@probablynotmyname8521]

commonsense 200 i just checked and you are right its not destroying the heat (it used to). My buffer tanks are smoothing out the temperature though and my cooling loop is keeping the plastic cool. Its the plastic im worried about, i dont want it turning to naptha.

[@Armageddonas7]

Man how can you do this at cycle 260-something? That's pro player moves right there! But still how? Howwwww? Maybe I should be more aggressive.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Lots and lots of practice, also strip mining the starting biome. Hiring way to fast, having two strong digger and a researcher to start. Their is no rush to the game, take your time and get comfortable with the mechanics. If you want to go fast you will get their but don't forget to enjoy the experience as you go.

[@aedegroot94]

Can someone explain to me what cools the coolant of the metal refinery? I understand the rest but I just can't wrap my head around that.

[@JoeSmith-ij8kq]

The heat from the coolant is transferred to the steam/water which is then used by the steam turbine turning the heat in to power.

[@in3rtiatv507]

What is the seed?

[@badoli1074]

Man, i suck at this game.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

We all sucked when we started, everyone dies the first few times, then we end up restarting a bunch more before we finally figure out how to make O2 from water and cool it down.

[@3maim]

at 8:16 you say "brick these up", why do you do this? Thanks, great videos (y)

[@picklerick4296]

So that the polymer press setup can sit in a little pool of water(more then just a puddle, but less then ~250 kg/tile so it isn't flooded), to better dissipate the heat produced by it.

[@fadadapple]

you use carbon generators? I've been avoiding them because they make more carbon dioxide.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Petroleum generators? Very much so, they produce lots of polluted water that can be sieved and the CO2 can support a large slickster farm for food. Excess CO2 I just dump into space.

[@chardonnay5767]

That was some good information. However I’m stuck at lime, and you just kinda hopped over it. Well, back to the drawing board.

[@diont7242]

He literally says how to make it in the video. You use the Rock Crusher thing to smash eggs and you get it.

[@chardonnay5767]

Dion T there’s not enough egg shells to sustain any sort of sensible production. Tried to get pokeshells going, but they’re just starving all the time

[@Uzwel]

@@chardonnay5767 u dont have fossiles ?

[@chardonnay5767]

@@Uzwel I restarted a couple times and now made 6 early hatch ranches to combat this issue.

[@HaYToKoRaZ]

Thx kanka

[@LWT1331]

12:37 Why the polluted water to remove oxygen? Can't you just use all water?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Different water types can't mix. So salt water, brine, polluted and clean. So by layering two water types we take up all the space in the area and force our all the gas. If you use all one water type it would take at least 8000kg of water, with the layered method we only use about 400kg total. Saving time and water.

[@toddhahn6642]

"Give me one second while I sweep up this gunk." *Takes 5 cycles.*

[@maks4285]

This tutorial has been needed by someone for a long time. Thank you. I get stuck at about cycle 200 because I'm unsure how to handle heat and plastics.

[@Beregorn88]

2 words: glossy gecko

[@probablynotmyname8521]

I used to have similar problems then discovered that a single radiant pipe cooling loop powered by a steam turbine solves all the heat problems you will ever have for production. My current base has 2 oil refineries, 4 petroleum generators, 6 natural gas generators, a metal refinery, a polymer press and a rock crusher all being cooled by a single steam turbine and one cooling loop.

[@S_Black]

@@Beregorn88 I love glossy dreckos for some early plastic. Allows you to build things like liquid germ sensors and high pressure vents that don't need much of it

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@probablynotmyname8521 and then you can build the mother of all cooling stations. 4 aquatuners and 5 steam turbines to direct cool the 180 F water to feed a large hydroponic garden.

[@TheBigEmstos]

its so funny how the other youtubers who play this game make such utterly worthless tutorials and miss such important basics like this video.

[@Denso481]

You're fast becoming my favorite source for oni videos!

[@S_Black]

I really like that he focuses on practical solutions and builds instead of theory crafting, min/maxing and extreme designs. Way too little of that.

[@BC-kx6db]

Aaaannnnnd we’re back

[@jlu]

@@BC-kx6db with a quick tutorial on ..