Getting mid game Steel, Plastic & Cooling : Tutorial nuggets : Oxygen not included

[@newCoCoY6]

I respect that this guy is able to talk fast while still being coherent. Makes the tutorial way shorter than normal for the same amount of information.

[@nivodeus]

Exactly. But if you saw some videos, there were some instances where he talked too fast, he confused himself and just gave up on it :). I always thought I have my video at 1.25x runspeed LOL

[@somedude5951]

@@nivodeus Agreed. The reason he makes his video's as short as possible, is why he wins the competition with other oni video's.

[@somedude5951]

@Split Dimension You can adjust the speed of video's on KZbin. Menu is behind the gear.

[@wesplybon9510]

Right? If you need a break, that's what the pause/rewind is for, otherwise, let the information flow!

[@larrylindgren9484]

But mostly he hurried through telling you to go watch someone else's video on how to do it. He knows what he's doing. Don't get me wrong. This is a guild how and what to do. That's what guilds are. . He should be showing you exactly what he put in the air making place. Not oh here it is now go watch this other guys video to see what I did. If this was a let's build. Fine. Be quick because it's just building a base. This is a guild. If not just make a guild telling you to what videos to watch. Is all he's done. This is a guild. It should be telling you the how and the why.

[@YadonTheCat]

"I finally got my head around this game", I said to myself like a fool

[@azametturan9843]

Wow your pfp is cute

[@austinclague480]

I said this to myself a couple years ago after playing for a few months I had no idea what I was talking about.

[@druminator3340]

This game is a constant state of "wtf is going on?!"

[@CMDRZero01]

​@druminator3340 Everytime something goes wrong, it's a problem I didn't think would be a problem. Next thing I know my base is filling with natural gas, I'm not producing enough oxygen, and I've installed part of my power grid backwards. Lol

[@maebeknot2145]

OMFG this is amazing. I've played over 900 hours since the launch of EA. Never got into the mid-game as defined in this video. I always found getting setup to make oil and plastics super complicated. Also never have used steal or steam turbines. This has made me not able to enjoy about half the content in-game. Thanks to this video I believe I'm ready to finally able to get past the mid-game hump!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Welcome to the steel age, I think you will find more than half of the game is here. You can freeze or boil the map if you want, blot out the sun with rockets. Your next 900 hours are going to be a hell of a lot of fun.

[@OscarChabrand]

I'm glad I'm not the only slow learner here! Been playing for several hundred hours as well and barely now I have made it to cycle 200 relatively well, and am ready for plastic and steel manufacturing.

[@failedGraphics]

Same, I literally bought this game day one and have been playing it constantly since and ive never used plastic before. I like to take my time woth the game so i spend like 70 cycles getting set up but by then ive run out of water and food and the heat starts creeping in so instead of going mid game i just spend time fixing problems until ive decided I learned enough and start again.

[@vishensivparsad]

@@failedGraphics search for oni tutorial and see Francis' beginner guide for nifty tools. By this point you're probably past early game though lol

[@jonaut5705]

Yeah, same. Almost 300 hours and I only just realized that I shouldn't be just dumping dupes into the oil biome and hoping they survive.

[@maks4285]

This tutorial has been needed by someone for a long time. Thank you. I get stuck at about cycle 200 because I'm unsure how to handle heat and plastics.

[@Beregorn88]

2 words: glossy gecko

[@probablynotmyname8521]

I used to have similar problems then discovered that a single radiant pipe cooling loop powered by a steam turbine solves all the heat problems you will ever have for production. My current base has 2 oil refineries, 4 petroleum generators, 6 natural gas generators, a metal refinery, a polymer press and a rock crusher all being cooled by a single steam turbine and one cooling loop.

[@S_Black]

@@Beregorn88 I love glossy dreckos for some early plastic. Allows you to build things like liquid germ sensors and high pressure vents that don't need much of it

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@probablynotmyname8521 and then you can build the mother of all cooling stations. 4 aquatuners and 5 steam turbines to direct cool the 180 F water to feed a large hydroponic garden.

[@TheBigEmstos]

its so funny how the other youtubers who play this game make such utterly worthless tutorials and miss such important basics like this video.

[@jaldarith]

THIS is the video I've been searching for. THANK YOU. I'm tired of videos that are titled "Let's make plastic" and it turns into a 40 minute tour of the happenings of the cycles, with no info on setting things up... Just making plastic from something they've already built.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Hope it helps. Remember once you get the refinery hooked up to a turbine you can run it all day and night and not worry about the heat. Make lots of steel.

[@jaldarith]

@@FrancisJohnYT That's the next hurdle. I have restarted my game eight times now. Each time I am understanding more and more about the game and its nuances, but I've never been able to progress past plastic and steel. Hopefully with your help on this video, I'll finally get it done!

[@S_Black]

Tip for super easy plastic: ranch glossy dreckos. This can be done very early and even if you take hundreds of cycles to get to where this video is just 8 dreckos give you tons of plastic. Enough for plastic ladders and transport tubes with still lots left over.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@S_Black I don't like that you have to keep them in hydrogen. To keep them in hydrogen and groomed you usually need atmo suits. If you have atmo suits why not setup oil?

[@S_Black]

There is oxygen at the bottom to grow the mealwood that they can dip into when they run out. An exosuit may be more efficient, but they can hold their breath for a bit. You only really need exosuits if you want to feed regular dreckos with upkeep free balm lily. Is it the most effective way to use dupe labor? Maybe not. But it's a nice trade off. Less power, heat and infrastructure, but there is a cost for it. Oil to plastics is a lot more complicated. At least for me. I eventually do it, but I really like the early plastic for things like certain sensors or high pressure vents.

[@KaoVamp]

I really appreciate a tutorial like this. Thanks for making it Francis. Before watching this my stuff was downright scattered. Between this and petrol boiler I might just get to space.

[@happy_turtle]

The mid-game transition always felt like it had insurmounatble cyclical dependencies. Now they're simply surmountable cyclical dependencies!

[@Denso481]

You're fast becoming my favorite source for oni videos!

[@S_Black]

I really like that he focuses on practical solutions and builds instead of theory crafting, min/maxing and extreme designs. Way too little of that.

[@BC-kx6db]

Aaaannnnnd we’re back

[@jlu]

@@BC-kx6db with a quick tutorial on ..

[@markfisher696]

I'm late to this game, but this series is awesome. well paced, informative, funny at times (I'm looking at you pre-chill). Thankyou so much, it's massively opened the game for me.

[@toddhahn6642]

"Give me one second while I sweep up this gunk." *Takes 5 cycles.*

[@TubeTAG]

This was an excellent tutorial! It covered the required concepts without delving too deep into secondary concerns (how cooling loops work, how to set up exo-suit docks, how steam turbines work, etc.) keeping the information concise and focused. When I initially saw the 20+ minute run time I was a little apprehensive but I never once was like, "Yeah, get on with it!" like I am with so many tutorials. Keeping a distinction between stream recordings and tutorials is a thing for me. I appreciate it a lot!

[@alexanderharrison7421]

So essentially my problem for "The Learning Gap" is that I'm caring too much about the environment

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The environment is just resources that your dupes can't use yet. Mine it all :p

[@alexanderharrison7421]

Does being on Rime change anything

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@alexanderharrison7421 Yes, it's easier. You can dump even more heat into the oil biome because it's so chilly and you don't even need atmo suits to gain access to it.

[@tristo99]

Split Dimension just spam deodorisers and dumb slime in an underwater storage bin look at his beginners guide he goes through almost everything

[@arandomharuhiist]

@Split Dimension slime is not a threat at all, i tore down 2 full slime biomes before getting exo suits and only 1 dupe caught slimelung. no medical beds or doctor dupes and they still recover in a couple cycles. didn't notice a bit of difference while they were sick. just keep the polluted water from falling into your clean water (don't combine it with your bathroom water either, that has food poisoning and slime biome doesn't)

[@MrErock1000]

Even four years later these guides are excellent. Thank you for sharing.

[@wreckcelsior]

Another great nugget Francis... I especially like the "Here's one I made earlier" cooking show line. :) cheers mate.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I though I managed to sneak that one by, your showing your age just like me :)

[@sephiroud84]

Almost a year old content and still so valid, ty! Heads up in case anyone fubars like I did. The temp on the Thermo Aquatuner is ABOVE 50F not Below 50F ^^. I kept freezing my pipes and breaking it. Took me a second to realize what I had done.

[@DoDoDoDo2540]

for me the magic number of temp on the Thermo Aquatuner is ABOVE -2C (28.4F).It's kept temp of pipes below -16C (freezing point is -20.6). So It's not freezing pipes and maximize cooling and energy gen.

[@mariesmith9508]

I suggest using salt water instead of polluted water, since the nearest water will evaporate before the polluted water, causing it to offgas if you are unlucky like me. Great tutorial! I've used it a couple times now and I believe I am getting the hang of it. Very helpful for learning mechanics of the game as well.

[@NameFirst834]

An oasis without gold amalgam literally doubles the time it takes to do anything industrial. Amazing tutorial as always 👌🏻

[@probablynotmyname8521]

It depends, if you have a supply of water at a reasonable temperature then you can get steel going very quickly.

[@robertwelch2843]

Just got this game and I'm absolutely loving it! One thing I've noticed on all these tutorials is how clean and efficient the bases are. My bases always seem to be scattered/patched together. I kind of enjoy the look of being scattered right up until my energy drops out and all my dupes starve to death :D

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I have been using the same base layout since almost the beginning, once you figure out what works for you most players stick with it.

[@JacobSReeds]

This is exactly what I needed. Thanks a ton! I've completely hollowed out a map from magma to space but trying to put this together safely has always been rough. I'll absolutely be incorporating these designs. Thanks again!

[@MascotCoding]

This is so helpful! I remember how confused I was when first started to implement machinery like press or refinery and I thought about these as very late-game material. Your tutorial can save colonies at the brink of a restart! :)))

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Would never have though to do this one it if not for some comment requests, judging by the comments I should have done this one a long time ago.

[@MascotCoding]

@@FrancisJohnYT Yes, actually (for me) the most challenging was to pick up the thinking process you veterans have when planning for next steps. I mean, it was helpful to watch your expansion episode by episode but the struggle was to peek behind the curtains to find out why you started to develop in a certain way at that point in time. I don't know if I am understandable or not. It is good to see guides that say, hey if you have this and that, and you have opportunity X or Y than it is good to plan out this and that. This thinking process is very obvious for veterans and starts to become easier for me too, but first I was lost big time. Thanks again!

[@vulkandrache1928]

I think one of the big traps in this game and one of its big problems for beginners is that research is complete crap. Unless you start somewhere so starved of water that a beginner wouldnt get anywhere anyway you fly through the techtree and unlock stuff waaaayyyy before you are ready to use it.

[@not-high-on-life]

Restarts are cool, i've restarted hundreds of times - let me perfected my early and mid game. Just do what you enjoy ;) who cares, it's just a game for your amusement. Great game though!

[@mrfikss]

Great work again FJ. I really wish we could get more of these practical how-tos and less of the math crunching theorycrafting ONI tutorials. You've become my go-to guy for ONI help. Thanks a lot.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Glad you enjoy. That was the whole reason I started making these, did not like the tutorials out there.

[@FaithOriginalisme]

My second time building this, I've used your trick for automated liquid locks, and automated the filling of the aquatuner section.. Now I just gotta plan where things go, and dive into some petroleum boiling.. Your videos have been a great help into me understanding how to do things in this game. Thanks!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This video was a topic someone suggested in the comments, has ended up being one of the most watched videos I have ever had. Who knew helping people out could feel so good.

[@kammil14]

The way I've started over again and again a couple of times, going over your tutorial, each time figuring out I should have done something much faster and realising my mistakes. Getting through this video was especially challenging lol. You explain it well, but there's just so much to do once you get atmo suits.

[@OscarChabrand]

this videos are great, man. I like that your designs actually apply to real bases, I've seen lots of tutorials where people just use the debug mode and it's not so helpful for me, personally. I like doing things the hard way, no cheating!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Hell yes, if you cheat it in then what value does it have? I get why people do it I just get more satisfaction out of doing it the hard way.

[@willn8398]

Just got into the game - your tutorials are brill!!! This one is actually one of your best. Please keep them coming! Without doubt my #1 ONI KZbinr :)

[@pauldecker4630]

Thank you very much for this, having a cornerstone to start from is really nice. It's also nice to know roughly where the mid-game starts.

[@lumen8341]

I can't emphasize enough how crazy it is that I can sit through every tutorial you make. Literally no one else has ever made it that easy for me. ❤ And enjoyable. You're the whole package!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

your going to make me blush :) Glad they helped.

[@Firebuck]

Fantastic tutorial! Maybe I can finally get past the "oops I melted another base" part of the game. Thanks Francis!

[@James-oj6ck]

Thanks for you videos and teaching. Today I made my first steel ever. It didn't go as easy as you show. My oil was over 140 degrees. I finally got a few ides and just repaired the Gold Amalgam pump to pump the crude oil to a storage container. I went through some repair costs, but the crude was at 130 by the time I was pumping into the container. I now have almost 1kg of steel and I'll probably make a steel pump and then start destroying some area to make my "Power Brick." I am starting to really enjoy solving the problems this game throws at me. Thanks again.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

140C oil, sounds like you might have an abyssalite break in the oil biome. Heat from the magma biome might be leaking it. You should explore the oil biome as a priority and find this abyssalite break if it exists and patch it up with insulated tiles. Also enjoy playing with steel, it gives you so many wonderful options.

[@James-oj6ck]

@@FrancisJohnYT I have molten lead. Petroleum pockets. Most tiles are at least 200 C. I will try to find it. I don't know if it is savable.

[@erikaadvisser]

Very good instructions, enjoyable to watch... thank you! One minor improvement I found is not to use poluted water for filling in the steam area, but some other liquid like salt water. The poluted water generated poluted oxygen. Salt water will still leave behind some gunk (salt) when converted to steam, but you are sure that 100% of your steam boiler area is filled with steam.

[@Gruaiggorm]

These videos have been really helpful and they are making my experience that much better, thanks for taking the time.

[@lobstercat]

This guy is amazing, and he really helped me get started on all the basics of ONI.

[@TLangas]

What was holding me back, was the first step of acquiring the first batch of steel & plastic. I never knew what to do with all of the heat. You made it so simple. Do nothing. Just make the heat in a place that is already hot.

[@nathanc4183]

Thank you for this, I've just started thinking about the mid-game and how to get all that refined metal. I have it a bit easier since there's a huge glacier next to my base to dump all the heat into, but the general setup is very helpful.

[@YamaZombies]

I'm on cycle 819 and just starting to get into steel/plastic production properly, this is a great help thanks!

[@skijwalker5543]

Poluted waterland then regular water on top to make a vacume ..... Mind officially blown away ! Awesome tutorial 😃 thx

[@commonsense-og1gz]

you can make a vacuum, but i have never had problems with oxygen in it.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@commonsense 200 it does not gum up the works at all?

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@FrancisJohnYT i haven't had any trouble with my turbine from any air so far. i have had under temperature water damage my aquatuners so i installed a door on the side of the steam chamber, but the steam seems to overpower any air in the system.

[@braize6279]

Why is the layer of polluted water needed at the bottom of the steam turbine? What would happen if you used all clean water?

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@braize6279 if you're asking about the water in the chamber with the aquatuner, he may have placed that there thinking that it would help exchange heat up until it flashes to steam. eventually pure water will be the only thing in that chamber, afterwards. the better choice would be to add petroleum, or crude oil due to the high temp threshold, and higher thermal conductivity, for distributing the heat to the steam above. if you are using just pure water, it will work as well. i have never had problems with just a steel aquatuner in pure steam.

[@emilyc9240]

This video is so great! I've played many bases but eventually quit them because i didnt know where to go after finish the early game and being stable and comfortable. Very well explained, ta.

[@Rin8Kin]

Exactly what i have been searching for - the raw starting ways to effectively produce the basis for further "clean" production.

[@bengoodwin2141]

I never understood atmo-suits before just because they cost so much effort to recharge, this will really help

[@tiagopesce]

Done the "aggressive version" really neat, the dupes take kinda 50 cycles to finish all the digging, building, and setting up. the most annoying part is know what to do with all of that natural gas, since i already tapped a vent nearby and have 500t coal from the hatch-farming...

[@daimonos418]

I bought the game about 5 mins into this wonderful vid. Currently £13.41 _for the bundle_ on Steam in the sales. I've played lots of Factorio and Satisfactory but this fluids and thermodynamics view of the world is new and very appealing. I'm going to be coming back to this time and over again - there's so much to learn! Thanks again this is great. x

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This game also comes with a built in time warp, make sure you don't have anything time sensitive to do in the real world for the first week. Enjoy.

[@ThatGuyWhoGame5]

Years later, I appreciate you and this vid

[@AdamRotering]

This is the exact point my bases end up getting messy and fail. Thank you for this

[@onlyme0349]

You're really good at sharing your experience in bite size packets, without melting my brain.

[@BlackOutkastMediaBroadcasting]

This video is easily the best ONI tutorial you've done. I figured out some of the stuff in this video in my last base playthrough, but that said, the mid-game hump is a real thing and this puts you into a prime position to jump into your endgame mode. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[@asdfdfggfd]

Another fantastic episode, Unique and useful tutorial as well! I would make a kiln and start ceramic the instant I developed the technology.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I though of including ceramic (I usually spam the stuff straight away) but wanted to keep it simple. You can get an industrial brick up using just regular minerals, but yeah, ceramic would be better.

[@mazfars]

Going back my ONI history, this video was the most important video I had ever seen for improving my game. Thanks.

[@Randoo1]

Absolutely phenomenal tutorial I was wondering what to do next with my base and I couldn't get around to doing it. This is will definitely help thank you

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Should have done this a while a go judging by the comments.

[@Randoo1]

@@FrancisJohnYT I just enjoy watching the crazy things you do I'm pretty new to the game so this is helpful. 😀

[@TheDeadSource]

So, quite late to the party, but the amount of progress I was able to make just from you explaining the steps in this video is insane, so thank you so much.

[@CeladonGames]

This video. I watched it every time one of my colonies reaches the hump. That's countless times so far. And then I always find an excuse to not go through with it and start a new colony. The layout not being right, not having enough space, and having to cut through annoying biomes to make up for that (namely the one with the dreckos, hate those with a burning passion), never having enough workforce to get it done in a timely fashion (mainly because I refuse to work with more than five or six dupes at a time), you name it. And then reminding myself that there's no shame in being 250 cycles in and not even having achieved a plastic press, especially with five dupes running on wheels because I had the brilliant idea of unlocking the sustainability achievement, of all things. Anyways, I'm going on a tangent. Your tutorial nuggets are invaluable for this not-so-noob-friendly game. If any, you make it look much simpler than my own experience suggests. To me this is all rocket science. Speaking of which, I'm dreading reaching the point where I have to tackle space. Anyways. I wonder how many hours you put into this game already. I'm betting somewhere in the thousands.

[@rl53]

Explained so well FJ, as with other people I've never made it this far & only just got to digging out the map to expand. The quirks make my brain hurt 🤣🤣

[@danielworden]

At about the 10:00 mark you create the first steam turbine after gathering some Steel & Plastic, but you make the turbine out of Lead? Why use a metal that lowers the overheat temperature in a machine that you're actively spending effort to actually prevent it from overheating? I'm sure (hope) you have a good reason, but it's not mentioned there and so I wonder if it's a mistake you didn't realize until after this video was posted, or something? Also, I have heard you explain why you use polluted water in other areas, but if all you're trying to do is get rid of all the gases from the steam chamber, wouldn't using JUST regular water work just as good? Plus no dirt left behind when it evaporates. Lots of useful information here but also mixed with some confusing stuff, lol. Thanks

[@danielworden]

Think I eventually answered my own questions, posted here in case you read this and maybe correct me if I'm wrong. You use lead to create the steam turbine because it's not the actual Overheat temp of the building you need to keep under control, but the turbines own failsafe shut-off when it hits 100C, so the material it's actually made of doesn't matter much (unless you use something that makes the turbine heat up faster I guess). As for the 2 types of liquid I'm now assuming that's merely a space saver trick to get just the 1 ton of water you need in a 5x2 space. You can do this with a few grams of polluted water on the bottom (in each tile) with the 1 ton of water on top of it in order to vacuum seal the room. Otherwise you'd have to put a little over 5 tons of JUST water in if you did that. I guess a simpler solution may be to only use a 1x5 tile but then dupes can't get in there to fiddle with things. ??? Great videos btw, thanks again.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You answered all your own questions quite well. Lead is cheap and easy to access on this map but you can use any metal to make steam turbines it makes very little difference. 2 tiles allows you to fit in an aquatuner, also having only one tile and the water you pump back into the room will block the vents of the steam turbine for a bit before the water turns back to steam. You can get away with 1 tile if you want but if you have the space 2 tiles is preferred and is usually more stable.

[@MrNabows]

9:33 "We have atmo suits, so we don't give a...we don't care" LOL GJ on the tutorials, base building and ALSO keeping it family friendly!

[@HorzaPanda]

This is super useful. I've been producing steel for a while but I'm running into serious heat problems because I didn't know much about heat and set up something quick and messy. Going to have to make myself an industry block and tidy everything else in my complete hodge-podge mess of a base XD

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Be careful once you build your first you may find yourself developing a liking for it. My industrial bricks get bigger and sillier every time.

[@nh4069]

I really appreciate you still coming back to comment and help viewers. I love this game. This is my first "try hard" playthrough and I'm having a blast! Do you think u will start a new playthrough in the near future?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Not in the near future, I'm holding out until they put out more content for it. But worst case if nothing shows up I'll have to have a look again in 6 months or so.

[@astrid2432]

wow, that was such a good tutorial. I'm with my ateria base at over 200 days and well, the only thing where I have problems is refined metall. I tried to make a good power/oxygen machine from the other big ONI-YTer, (it starts with B) and well, I set up everything, the only problem is, I need refined metal for the cables and the smart batteries. I started to make it, but I have cooling problems, I'm not so far like you, as I don't have atmo suits really, but well you helped me to get something to cool my metal refinery to get tons of refined alu. I already could set up the atmo suit production, for at least one or two suits, as I was lucky and got a few refined iron from the pod, A other question: I got from the pod 3 slickster eggs, I set up a small room for 2 and I pump all the Co2 from my energy room (1 coal, 2 wood) in that room, so I get some cruide oil and get some Co2 and heat away from my power room. So... was it good to build it already? I mean the slickers are at near/in my base, heated up from the hot Co2 out of the power room. (~60°). The grooming table is in the co2 max pressed room and it's quite hard to groom these cute things

[@FrancisJohnYT]

So long are you are producing enough CO2 to feed them, why not? More food and free CO2 disposal all in one package.

[@astrid2432]

@@FrancisJohnYT well I think not, as the power room gets too fast hot. I may can use from a other power room for oxygen/ energy and cooling instead a carbon skimmer to a gas pump. But my proplem is the heat. I want to keep the normal ones, but the room is too cool and I get only the slickster ho consume oxygen

[@mathiasv3673]

Thank you, I have been improving through this greatly.

[@jameselliot1985]

This video is probably the most helpful video on any game I've ever played. Thank you.

[@renton1664]

Referring back to this after a break from playing. Near the end when you set up the oil refinery you add a liquid pipe element sensor. I can't think how this would be set up? If you select petroleum it is red constantly. What am I forgetting

[@mytiliss682]

I just make closed by waterlock vacuum chamber and spill some oil inside. Placing oil refinery and gas pump there both made of gold and they will never overheat unless you overheat oil above 120C and forget to change pipes to isolated ones. Doing same thing for polymer presses, most of structures just need to stay in liquid splash to stay cool. And most important, all that system self-powered by oil and gas generators, adding refinery will help a lot, thanks for vid. Before I usually was cooling water basin for it by placing small portions of ice inside, may be helpful if you running low on water.

[@hogie48]

What does the power look like for the steam turbine setup? Do you power the industrial brick with the steam turbine and just use the coal to kick start it all, or are you just feeding the steam power back in to the grid and powering it off your existing power grid? Speaking specifically about Spaced Out DLC right now... would I just power it with my solar, and feed any excess power back to my solar grid, or once this is jump started will it power itself?

[@MrFusionPro]

Love your channel! Therapeutic voice mate. Is there such a thing as too much liquid in the aquatuner box? Having a hard time getting steam. (I think I emptied many hundreds Kg of SaltWater/Water)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Only if you go above 1000kg of pressure, however an average of say 100kg pre tile when it all turns to steam is usually a decent number. You see if you have to little you get big heat spikes and if you have to much it takes forever to warm up.

[@exginto8053]

As a SD this resonates with em so much. This is simple demonstration why you pay senior software developers more that to junior ones. They know how to avoid pitfalls and set the project on the right track for an expansion.

[@nadiadima9449]

Thank you so much! I have just seen my first steam turbine working and I feel so inspired, like the nice little nerd I am :D . Now I only need to figure out why mine is not at full capacity.

[@ar.nul.fo.]

You explain things so welll compared to anyone else

[@joeblack4436]

I really like your route of going straight for a Metal Refinery with the oil. Very good. Will use that. I think drip cooling with water is the first cooling method somebody should learn about and it can use very little power. Throttle a mini-pump to 200g/s and it effectively uses only 12W. Better yet lol Throttle a regular pump to 200g/s and it effectively uses only 4.8W. I sometimes find mini-pumps are overrated unless you absolutely must have the most compact design possible. Which reminds me... I still wanted to try and make a SPOM with mini-pumps just for fun even though they are less efficient.(edit: nah... it's not very good)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm not sure mini pumps are to highly rated? I must admit I don't get on the forums as much as I'd like any more so I could be out of date. Drip cooling can and will work, that is pretty much what I use to get the first 200 kg of plastic.

[@joeblack4436]

@@FrancisJohnYT No I just mean as an "advanced" tech. Not sure why it's even in the game. I'd say drip cooling is best unless you absolutely desire to make an enclosed block. But yeah style differs. As more of a minimalist I tend to try to get the most of the least. I find going the big brick route comes with the caveats. For example. Now you decide to cool with turbines and aquatuners. Now your design for something to make plastic with needs to allow for 200 plastic and a 400W cooling cost minimum depending on if you can get the turbine to run at optimal levels and what other powered bits and bobs you want to attach to your cooling solution. There's always brute forcing it and just diverting more petroleum to the generator, but that takes away from plastic production again. And in the end you just have to ask. What do I need all that plastic for? Is it just to make more plastic. I have one colony now that I recently left on running overnight while i was sleeping recently where I had already converted all my ladders to plastic. I've also given all my dupes comfy beds. And now there's 31t of plastic. I think that should work just dandy for a sick transit tube system now. And of course I can worry about other little projects and just leave it running overnight again. That's one plastic press. I doubt anybody actually realistically need more than that. My whole oil based industrial system is rather fetchingly built into a single small cleared out swamp biome on top of the hot biome. It looks downright evil genius if you ask me.

[@christinac6991]

This clarified so much in simple enough fashion that I can build on the knowledge easily. Thank you so much for this!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Glad to be of service.

[@brucebeastwood1924]

Really helpful video, not just this one, i had to use a few in conjuction to get to this, finally got it up and running, the 3 part newbie guide helped me figure that the lack of atmos suits was slowing alot of the progress down, so after finally learning that i should box my living area in and build suit docks i finally was able to demolish biomes instead of messing around carefully blocking gases etc. Also had to use the shorter tutorial about the research for getting to steam turbines never knew could just use a few weezeworts to give me enough radbolts to unlock the tech. But all in all i think one huge part of my mid game hump was just undervaluing atmos suits, the difference they make is ridiculous. The 3 part newbie series, the bit about radbolts and this should just make up one series, coz tied together it really gets you through, finally after stupid amounts of saves and restarts the game feels like its opening up 🤣

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The game is a bit of a tough nut to crack, the learning curve is pretty steep. But once you get past cooling the whole thing opens up.

[@brucebeastwood1924]

@@FrancisJohnYT Yeah it definitely is a tough one at times, so easy to just nuke your base. Every playthrough learn so many little things.

[@emdee1567]

It might be important to note that the automation wire needs to be routed elsewhere from the Liquid Pipe Thermo Sensor. Post Banhi's Automation Innovation Pack new setups the Reservoir will send a green signal so the Aquatuner runs forever causing freezing in the pipes.

[@flaviusgreen979x8]

what do i need to do can you please tell me?

[@flaviusgreen979x8]

pls?

[@emdee1567]

@@flaviusgreen979x8 reroute the Automation wire around the Res. I just went straight down.

[@TangySpiderLegs]

I ran the automation wire directly from the Temperature Sensor to the Aquatuner.

[@charliejulietdavies8715]

i'm so glad for the automation innovation update giving us tanks with automation output, so you don't have to build those contrived overflow sensors

[@Greippi10]

Does this tutorial predate that update? So basically I could just run the automation wire straight from the tanks to the refinery without a need for a sensor in the pipes? Also the way he does it here isn't he missing a not-gate? This way the refinery only activates when the pipe is full, no?

[@himmelsturmerIX]

After playing about 10 hours and browsing tutorial at youtube, I realized fallout shelter is more my speed.

[@jonathantio7531]

Cycle 279 now, time to make my mini industrial brick. Every time i've refined metals i've always just built a metal refinery and mass refined 99*100kg of xyz metals. Now i've got a better idea on how to begin and expand!

[@CaptainMisery86]

i like the analogy that this is like climbing a cliff and then jumping off

[@smileybones9172]

19:45 "This is just a standard setup." Me, learning most of this first the first time: *begins hyperventilating*

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This has changed quite a bit since, they have put automation ports on liquid tanks so you can get similar results with far less effort.

[@TheMindverse]

Thanks Francis for all the great videos you put out for ONI. You've helped me in so many ways. Love your accent! As a clueless American, I'm curious as to what "brick" means in your videos. I'm kind of assuming you mean a kind of foundational module for your base, but I could be wrong. And, I absolutely live for "aaaaaaaand we're back..." :)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Brick is just a building block, could be an old red brick or a concrete brick. Most my of my designs in ONI end up brick shaped hence the unimaginative names.

[@dakon2154]

I am at cycle 300 and still between early and mid game. Glad I am not the only one.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

There is no rush so long as you don't run out of something essential.

[@roojackaroo8517]

I feel like a rush too much, i set up plastics and refineries at cycle 70 on my base But to be fair, i needed cooling very fast, my starting biome was right on the edge of a steam vent, so the heat was creeping up

[@theonus_4483]

I just bought this game and haven’t played it yet. I only seen the early game until I watched this. I’m now terrified I’m never going to grasp this haha. Most of this went over my head. Hopefully after some play time it’ll make sense and I’ll re watch.

[@LittleMew133]

So my base is a literal sauna. And I have decided to get my dupes some help, and by help I mean me watching tutorials.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Yeah, I think it's part of the normal learning curve of ONI. Mess around for a bit, get a half decent colony, have your crops stifle from heat, starve, look up tutorials.

[@mralarming5208]

I sometimes use large chimneys to dispose of heat. I dump it into all excess fluid and then I release the superheate steam and other fumes to space - I know I waste power, but that is for the sake of having a badass chimney.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You sir are crazy, but who can argue with a badass chimney.

[@mralarming5208]

@@FrancisJohnYT And it theoreticaly can cook eggs! Too bad that it can't make bbq, it would save soooo much dupe time.

[@soth1438]

Thank you a whole lot for these, I always enjoy your content. New and old!

[@blarblablarblar]

80 odd hours of gameplay and several hours of tutorial videos and I'm only just realizing that you can rotate pretty much any building and not just liquid bridges

[@S_Black]

Thanks for the aquatuner setups. I'm a bit confused with the different versions though. So far I've seen three: 1.) Have the cooling loop run directly through the aqua tuner. Seems to be the most common and also seen here 2.) Your icebox design where you use a cold liquid as transfer medium 3.) Running the cooling loop into the steam chamber. Didn't know you can do that Are some of these better than others, or is it personal preference? For some easy steel you can also pump up some polluted water from a slime biome and dump the hot water right back into the pool. It's not a long term solution obviously, but it allows you to make some refined metal without advanced infrastructure

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Most of it is personal preference or just the demands of the situation. If I was doing a cool steam vent tamer I would not need a huge temp differential so 40C would be plenty cold, would not use the liquid tank to even temp and I'm not going very low temp. It would also be active very little but I would need a buffer so I would usually have a little tank of water to store the cooling between eruptions. This industrial brick cooling solution needed to cool multiple floors and at a steady rate so piped cooling was fine, I needed a fine margin of temp control as i wanted to go down to 10C or less so i stuck in a liquid tank for evening out the flow. So I suppose the short answer, they all have a use and it's usually down to convenience.

[@d3viousdom854]

I forget how big the asteroids were in the original game. Spaced out Asteroids are Wayyyy smaller than the regular ONI ones.

[@Sonminiser]

I know it's 4 years later, but my dirt from the polluted water is turning into sand when it gets too hot. Then it's breaking my aquatuner by entombing it and causing it to overheat. Should I stop using polluted water?

[@doge4632]

are you using it as the steam source to the steam engine? if this is so, then just use regular water the polluted one gets "filtered" when it's too hot, so you just end up with regular water and some dirt at the end of the day even if you're doing that intentionally, you gotta be pouring down poluted water pretty often so you just don't end up with pure water, but then it's not worth it as the chamber will eventually be full of liquid there are better ways to filter polluted water so you get dirt (and water, ofc)

I basically get all my plastic from the sleek dreckos or whatever they're called. I normally get most of my reed fibers from the normal ones. I don't mind thimblereeds but it's kind of a lot of water compared to just a little bit of dirt plus I get tasty eggs or drecko meat. 2:00 I don't know why but I don't use atmosphere suits enough. It's really basic simple things like this that are really helping me up my game. 2:40 I've barely even been down to the bottom of the map even after like 200 days lol. 3:30 That's a great place to dump heat as well I've just been dumping it in local water pools that geysers make then further heating the pools with aquatuners to cool the liquid when I want some of it. Giant already hot pile of oil way way far from my base sounds so many times better lol. I've found pacu's to be great for lime. I try and build my water or polluted water storage below my printer so that if I get pacus they can just flop their way to the water it doesn't even have to be directly below the printer either even if it's like 5 floors down they'll make their way towards the water most of the time. I don't try and tame or feed the pacus I just let them keep living out their lives in the water it creates a decent amount of food and lots and lots of egg shells. I still haven't done it but I want to cool polluted water so the cleaning ones spawn and then you could clean your water sand and energy free even though the polluted dirt from seives is nice. 11:40 The metal refinery that makes energy is exactly what I've been wanting to build. I want to do the same with my glass making building. 14:00 I am not understanding your vacuum thing I always just autistically like to pump it out lol.

[@richardcagle5475]

the petrol priority loop and liquid sensor setup is literally killing me. i cant get it to work at all the way you lay it out and ive had to rebuild the whole damn thing three times now. i have other ideas with sensors on the tank, but i really want to get his to work. wtf am i missing?????? edit: FINALLY figured it out. the first one he shows on the petrol tanks is simply a shut off, not controlled discharge. Look later to see how to trap liquid in loop at sensor to completely empty one tank before starting refinery again. You can condense it more, but dear lord i feel kinda stupid now :). last rebuild incoming i suppose

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The liquid tank system I was using was before they added automation sensors on liquid tanks. Now you can just connect the tanks directly to the refinery's. I am dreading having to update this tutorial it's one of my better ones and I'm not sure I can replicate it well enough.

[@richardcagle5475]

@@FrancisJohnYT lol im back after six months off an ofc came back to your guides cause i cant remember shit, like the problem i had in this comment specifically an how i solved it exactly. almost everyone i see is just copying your work anyways, including myself. now the food storage update did kinda fuck me pretty hard, but nobody plays this game cause its easy do they? Should I just get spaced out an check out your more recent work on the expansion to avoid future update change issues?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@richardcagle5475 Your call, but half the fun in ONI is running into a brick wall until you can't take it any more and start googling the problem :)

[@lulabyte]

does anyone else say "aaaaand we're back" with Francis at the beginning of all his videos?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

... I do

[@lulabyte]

@@FrancisJohnYT AHHHHHHHH 🤩

[@erikwibowo8596]

holy brain, how does people came up with this. great tutorial!

[@jakel.7947]

At 16:32 you mention how you can queue up a bit more coolant to avoid the "awaiting coolant" notification that can show up. My dupes are running into it all the time and if I fill it with more then I get another notification saying "output pipe blocked." Would you be willing to elaborate a little more on how to deal with this, please?

[@richardcagle5475]

gotta put that little loopy pipe recirculator thingy in the line. bridge back into the tank so the water runs in a circle if the line stops flowing.

[@bpdlr]

PSA if no-one has previously commented on this but you can also deconstruct the windows and door in the Gravitas ruins at the top of the map to get 1800kg of steel if you want to get it earlier.

[@attenonmj3708]

Is it better to use petroleum or oil instead of polluted water for cooling loops?

[@mirjanbouma]

If the coolant goes through a Thermo Aquatuner, Polluted Water is way better than Oil or Petroleum. The thermo Aquatuner cools any liquid a flat 14°C. But not all liquids are created equal. You want your coolant to have a high Specific Heat Capacity. That tells you how much energy is needed to heat that material by 1°C. The higher it is, the more cooling it can do per kg. Polluted water has a SHC of 4.179, Oil is just 1.690, Petroleum is 1.760. I hope that helps you out. 🙂

[@TheBushdoctor68]

Great stuff, as usual. One thing I don't fully understand, is why you dropped a layer of p-water in the cooler before adding clean water to push the gasses out - at 12:34 Why not just use clean water? I suspect it has something to do with the total amount... Because using only clean water would require a lot more kg's and puts too much in the cooler? (I'm figuring this out as I write this, apparently)... So, basically using p-water first, causes that only little clean water is needed to fill the entire cooler and drive the gasses out? Ohhhh it's a trick! :) Yea.. I think I've arrived... Gonna give it a shot. Thanks a lot for this series of videos man!

[@commonsense-og1gz]

due to how easy it is to make ceramic, i usually make my metal refinery out of it. when making plastic, i usually just build one press, by itself, in a cooler biome, such as a slime biome to avoid the melting temperature of plastic. i have seen plastic melt to naphtha immediately after it was pushed out of the press. golden rule number 1, don't build polymer presses in places where the starting temperature is above 120 degrees f, or 48 C.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The plastic come out at the same temp as the input petroleum, so if you input petroleum at above 150C it just pours out naptha. Really funny to look at. I like using ceramic for a lot of the stuff listed here but left it out for simplicity's sake, it's not necessary if you can get the cooling up.

[@commonsense-og1gz]

@@FrancisJohnYT i'm just waiting for markiplier to try and figure this out, LOL.

[@ambeegaming76]

Wow I haven't built an Electrizer in MONTHS I've since stopped running out of water and dying xD

[@tsuki-no-akuma]

"And you've got a water source to feed that electrolyzer" I wonder if you'll see this, Francis, but I was just wondering, I don't see any tutorial nuggets dealing with what you would consider a stable 'water source' or how you deal with getting water. I might just be missing it, of course. I doubt you'll respond, but if you do, thank you for your time.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Eventually the only water sources left is vents and geysers. Water is only essential for O2 you can work around it for food. Best vents then are polluted water vent, Slush geyser, water vent, salt water vent, brine water vent. Finally you get cool steam vents and regular steam vents.

[@tsuki-no-akuma]

@@FrancisJohnYT thank you very much for the response

[@alexanderharrison7421]

I've always just hooked up a random Cool Steam Vent to it and built some extra systems for cooling the Oxygen with like a Hydrogen-Wheezewort system

[@itllBuffGaming]

At 20:10 or so on the Oil Refinery, you forgot to mention this setup requires a NOT gate on the liquid sensor, without it, the refinery will remain off forever haha

[@FrancisJohnYT]

My bad, I always feel like I leave out so much with every tutorial. This game has so much depth.

[@itllBuffGaming]

Francis John no worries I understand! Figured I’d post a comment for anyone else who needed to know

[@JayzenFreeze]

Late to the party here, I have one issue with the refineries. If I dont do a setup I seen where they add a shutoff valve to it. Eventually the petrol gets to hot and bursts a pipe for me. That shutoff valve would stop the petrol from going back to the refinery and forcing it to circulate in the steam longer till it cools down enough to run more steel.

[@Spoonwood]

I'd find it interesting to see how you would handle all of this on say Arboria (or I guess The Badlands). If you're on Arboria or the Badlands without geodes, you don't have gold amalgam, and don't find a cool slush geyser or polluted water geyser (is either of those guaranteed to exist on the map somewhere?), do you think it best to hazard an electrolyzer with a pump that probably will get damaged eventually from a warm water source, or do you try to use rust deoxidizers more?

[@probablynotmyname8521]

Spoonwood in my current base (not sure which asteroid) i have no gold or aluminium and went straight to steel, its not that hard to get some starting steel if you have some water at a reasonable temperature.

[@Ghorda9]

you can pipe the water into the electroliser in such a way that it will keep it from overheating, just make sure to use copper or wolframite instead of iron for the pumps and electrolisers.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Would depend on the map but rust is so plentiful I would probably carry myself with that for a while until I have steel sorted so i can do a proper permanent O2 solution. However with a bad map roll it might be necessary to do a getto O2 setup.

[@Spoonwood]

@@FrancisJohnYT Thanks for the response.

[@macelharen]

10:00 mark - i think i'll need to rewatch this bit multiple times to understand WTF you just speed talked me thru

[@WnuckVader]

Late to the party but whatever. I created the petroleum room, but the oil refinery doesn't start, because the element sensor turns it off because there is no petroleum. Is there a NOT gate missing?