Telescopes, Space Scanners, Regolith management & Solar : Tutorial Nuggets : Oxygen Not Included

Last video I got done before holidays, next video will be monday. When you first start on space you have to deal with Telescopes and the game instantly gets very complicated very quickly. You have to learn how to survive in space and deal with the almost constant bombardment of meteors. We first cover how to do it on the cheap. Then we move on to automating bunker doors with space scanners to provide us protection form the meteors while allowing us to harvest sunlight for solar power. Of course this requires dealing with regolith which is and of itself the most complicated part of dealing with space. Robo miners to the rescue which introduces the further complication of cooling in vacuum.
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[@heskan]

Damn i nailed the order without even knowing this tutorial: -build the observatory below the ground -remove the observatory -forget the observatory -build a solar farm underground -build the rocket -get power up there -get a cooling system running because the power converter keeps melting -scrap said system and just move the converter into the isolated control room -almost asphixiate my colony -save my colony by building a second oxygen plant within 5 cycles with yellow alert -almost run out of power because the generators weren't refilled for 5 cycles -build the antenna as a deco object -run out of coal -wait its cycle 300 why am i still only using coal

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Perfectly normal. The only odd thing is what your doing in space at cycle 300 :)

[@empshok]

You have a gift for storytelling.

[@HollyKJ]

I honestly can never thank you enough for this series of tutorials, I have fallen in love with this game in a major way and I absolutely could not have progressed as far as I have without your help! If I might be so bold as to make a request, I would love a tutorial of setting up a power brick to go along well with my industrial brick. May your whiskey be smooth and potent!

[@phire3408]

cringe.

[@kurushimee]

@@phire3408 nou

[@Davionious]

The trick with the power brick is the design of the power spine (which needs to basically follow your transport tube network). First you need to graduate from coal to a Full Rodriguez SPOM with 7 (the maximum that fits) H2 generators in a power room. It is the best form of energy and should be the go-to until you need water for something else. Next is petroleum. If you look at FJ's industrial sauna design (Oassise playthrough for instance) the Lower levels of his industrial brick are Petroleum generators. These need 2kg per second petroleum so a 1 pump boiler can feed 5 of them continuously. But power is intermittent so build storage and 8 generators connected to automation to shut off when your battery box is full but restart when your fuel storage fills. Storage and shutoffs are also important because most designs are not "black start" so if something falls over you need a reserve of coal, H2 or petroleum for a restart / stabilisation of your power systems.

[@UgatoSA]

Another mod recommendation - “No Manual Delivery”. It adds the “allow manual use” checkbox to EVERYTHING. I grabbed it at first because I wanted to do a lot of regolith collection and dupes occasionally got caught in the loop you’re talking about. But it’s amazing for stuff like mass moving resources and general automation. For me it’s the same level of “this should be part of the base game” that the building range mod is.

[@commandline6749]

*Automated Canisters* as well

[@ATSaale]

So important, very nice for coal generators as well

[@kurushimee]

Is there any mod that allows you to stop/completely stops dupes from doing something what a mechanical arm can do? Like I have a mechanical arm that puts cooked food/ingredients in a conveyor loader/grill, conveyor loader is set to allow manual use so that dupes dump any food/ingredients that rot ousidet of my deep freeze box, but then they'll also try to pickup food that's in mechanical arm's reach, the food that has been cooked, and this takes both dupe time and time overall because an arm can and would have done that way faster

[@mylesgarrett5961]

@@kurushimee auto sweepers can reach diagonally through a box like this from any corner: ◼ ◼ ◼ ◼ but duplicants can't, just stick a conveyer chute in that one tile and let the dupes dump any dropped food back in there. For food that rots in there I stick in an bin outside, the arm will grab any spoiled food and stick it in there, to get around dupes not being able to reach the food I put in a fridge set to ~3 kilos of cooked food, the arm will stock the fridge from the storage when needed. Now you have one tile of infinite food/ingredient storage and one arm loading the grill, the fridge, and the rot pile bin :)

[@kurushimee]

@@mylesgarrett5961 no I meant like the cooked food out of grill/gas range drops on the floor, and if duplicant wants - he can get the job of putting that food in my deep freezer instead of my grill, that's what I don't want - for them to do anything that my automation can do. Otherwise I'm already using this design for my deep freezer yeah

[@matiez]

Another amazing tutorial. Your Mid-Game hump tutorial helped me get to space, and now with this tutorial I should be able to conquer it!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Glad to hear it, I'll do Voles next. Without them you end up with way to much Regolith.

[@acheron16]

Glad you made an update video to space tackling. I honestly find it unnecessarily complicated how the scanners work, especially since scanner range and telescope range aren't shown in-game for some absurd reason. But alas, that's ONI for you. Also, that Regolith collection system seems like a perfect fit to use a Sweepy in, if Sweepy actually had a decent carry weight. They really need a buff.

[@matthewghilarducci5033]

I thought I knew space backwards and forwards (mostly from your last tutorial on the topic over a year ago now), but still learned something new.

[@pistachioicecream8800]

You are a literal life saver, I was just about starting to consider space in my current "first decent" playthrough. Thanks!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Glad I could help

[@Daniel-rd6st]

Same, i just build my first big Statue, got my petroleum production running and wanted tu build a spaceship next :-)

[@nicolasjoyard1741]

Something that I didn't properly notice watching this video at first: the mention that regolith cools down the sweepers and dispensers. This is very important, as if your setup (as did mine) has one of them protected from regolith, it will never have any way to cool down and will break eventually. By the way space in this game is kind of the point where you discover *everything* needs to dump its heat somewhere somehow. Thanks for the very helpful video!

[@stanhogenelst2555]

As someone who is about to do space for the first time I can really appreciate the 'dumb' methodes you've listed. Space is the biggest hump/learningcliff by far after the early game. Perhaps even more then the early game...

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This was the hardest tutorials to make, took me a week of testing to figure all the stuff out. Space is really hard in this game.

[@chriszag702]

@@FrancisJohnYT regolith keeps breaking the wireing in the doors, do i have to spend a never ending amount of steel to keep them going?

[@imaltenbach9166]

I love your talking speed. Much more information input per second. It´s like reading. Tutorial is also great.

[@TheMule71]

Very useful info as usual! Thanks! If I may add something... one scanner (at 100% quality) alone has a detecting range of 34s-200s. 2s out of 166s, or 1/84 chance of failure. Now that might be small enough, but, you can improve it with a second scanner, even with 0% quality. That's because it shares the same detect range. So, the chance of both scanners missing the shower is 1/7056. For a starting minimal seutp it's more than enough, you might not need to extend the miner/bunker setup over the 2nd scanner, just place it far away enough from the 1st not to interfere with it. I always put a buffer gate after the not gate. Usually set at min range - 40s (of course for 2 scanners up). This way I maximize energy production by solar panels. It serves almost no purpose if you don't do solar. That said, w/o solar you open the doors only for the telescope, or do the bunker trick you showed at the start. You don't need doors. I won't touch rockets because it's a subject on its own. I don't understand what you mean by 2 scanner being better that 6. The two scanners setup can (and will) detect meteors when far away, even @199s possibly. The bunker doors close, and they sit there waiting for the shower to start, and they may loose the signal. The chances of both of them loosing the signal at the same time, causing the doors to reopen is greater than the chance of 6 scanners loosing it. If you do use a buffer gate, with 2 still you can't close the doors too late, leaving a much larger window for failure. The 6 scanners setup is safer, if you add the buffer gate set at 160s, you have very small 4s window (you could reduce it even further), and all 6 of them have to loose the signal in those 4s. One thing you could have addressed is power distribution. You can't power a full setup with 2kw wires, you need transformers (which need to be cooled etc.) Of course if you have solar panels you have battery banks but they are not necessarily in space.

[@raismin739]

yep, you are totaly right, if you use the buffer gate. he probably forget the set up when you calculate the time to have max solar energy or (more probably) it's too complicated and he wanted to be more a nuget tutorial that a full detailed one. i personaly prefer the 6 one o even 7 if i have the space (to lower the chance of forgeting the shawer). if you are alredy puting the miner for the regolith and for solar why not XD. you can't power buncker whit the 2kW anyway, and you already putting a battery box, just do it all together XD

[@FaithOriginalisme]

Tackling space is the only time I've felt overwhelmed in this game.. ever.. so thanks for this tutorial

[@tlgniktl]

Watching this at 1.75x speed is very amusing. And still, I can understand everything, so kudos!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

When I edit I'm to impatient to watch the whole video, so I play it back at double speed. I now watch almost everything on double speed, my friends think I need help :)

[@tlgniktl]

@@FrancisJohnYT Well, it's either that, or we need time, because we're always out of time. Especially, if the job is based on deadlines, you start living in a world where everything is just speed up 2x :D

[@halo007Mex]

Aaah the space . . . The most painfull biome to fix mistakes . . .Thank you very much

[@shinmidaiji]

Thank you so much for the video, I cannot find any other video that explained as well as you do. Really needed this before I started space venturing!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I do feel like they need to make a few more in game tutorials, space is a bit of a learning cliff for a lot of people.

[@nekro5342]

perfect timing on this video. thanks for the great tutorial. answered basically all my wtf is happening questions.

[@WeirdOne19142]

“There’s been whole maths... done on this.” Francis John 2020.

[@Proxlynmeow]

You're like the Scott Manley of Oni

[@tensense5872]

That's a huge conpliment

[@custume]

you did explain all the stuff that some of us that have 1000 plus hours have discover ( painfully ) during several runs. I might use this video to show people in the forums asking noob questions all the time

[@lv1up]

31 seconds later, I see this. First time for me: First. Hollaaaaaa! Also. Francis, you are the king!I loved your minibase thingie! Your vids are even more interesting than the game, keep it up!!!

[@AdamRotering]

I been into space for a while on multiple maps. But I still got some new tips. Thanks

[@thetwitchywitchy]

oh my goodness THANK YOU!!!!!! I just started playing ONI a few weeks ago and have become absolutely obsessed with it, but my space systems have been super trial-by-error for the most part, your videos help SOO MUCH!!!!!!!! Can't wait to get my first rocket launching!

[@mattf4239]

Love your stuff FJ, you've saved so many of my bases

[@matthew4913]

Thanks man, I really needed this, I didnt know how scanners worked

[@VictorGavrish]

This is great! Even though I have 200 hours in the game (well... that's probably not much by your standards) I didn't know half the things you explained. I was still trying to use CO2 to cool space setups, but this is much simpler! And the fact that regolith eventually gets knocked off the top of the C miners... that's just going to make collecting stuff SO. MUCH. EASIER.

[@Omni0404]

Me caveman. Me disassemble and reassemble auto miners to remove heats

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I wish I could remember to do such things, I inevitably forget and my first indication is I run out of power as my whole solar array is clogged up with Regolith for the last 10 cycles.

[@DrMcFly28]

My setup was a telescope, one bunker door and a manual switch :)

[@custume]

yeah, when you have a place that can stuck a dup the dups will find a way to get there and get stuck, when you are building or digging large areas is a good idea to have plenty of ladders to keep them safe, you can deconstruct it after you are done.

[@WeirdOne19142]

Francis you might consider redoing an advanced temperature control system for your tutorial nuggets playlist. Personally I do have the information already figured out because I’ve been playing and watching you play for a long time, but it took a bit of learning. (I’m talking about highly refined temperature control systems here. For instance my automatic sleet wheat/thimble reed/arbor tree/etc farms are controlled by temperature control systems that operate at exact temperatures. There is not even one degree of variation. I’m not sure, but I think some people might really benefit from this kind of information).

[@WeirdOne19142]

My setups are usually built pre-space. I use two aqua tuners and a tepidizer in a polluted water reservoir. For high temperature requirements (forming natural tiles in vanilla play through) I use petroleum reservoir, aquatuner and a metal furnace.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm going to cover some temperature stuff but I don't think I'll get that detailed.

[@WeirdOne19142]

Francis John do what you do. I truly love your work. I always look forward to your videos

[@mikeg82279]

Yay more ONI!! Loved baby base sir!!

[@wijn1008]

i've build this setup before using one of your older video's. Its quite time consuming and I had some issues with powering the doors (not making them steel and they melt) but after everything was made out of steel it has worked wonders for me. I'm stuck with a ton of regolith now. I would really appreciate if you would make tutorial video on a regolith melter. I was looking at one of your older vids but just got lost in the process.

[@enn1807]

Now that Conduction panels are in the game, it should be far easier to cool the autosweeper setup. probably still need steel for them, but way better than needing thermium.

[@enn1807]

Alright, tried it. yes, you will occasionally overheat steel autosweepers, even with aluminum conduction panels. darn.

[@eyoja7868]

I was expecting a jumpscare near the end but only got disappointed xD

[@dwainedeicke6176]

Great info as always Francis. It's all amazingly helpful. Probably not the best place for this but would appreciate you doing a filler video for mods that you run on most play throughs. Still looking for some of the good QOL ones.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I'm very mod light to be honest, I only use a small amount and even then I get a few more crashes that I would like.

[@dwainedeicke6176]

@@FrancisJohnYT I also only use a few mods in particular I'm curious which one you use for speeding things up.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@dwainedeicke6176 In my more recent playthroughs I list all the mods I use in the description. Drink tea not coffee Speed Control Pliers Blueprints

[@atmreaper9828]

Great vid only 1 thing missing, the use of space scanners to detect incoming rockets. Would really appreciate a tutorial on this aspect as I have seen people putting them under bunker tiles etc and just wondered what the best positioning is for them. Great snippet about the cooling of the miners though, that one caught me out so is defo essential tip. Use your vids often in my playthroughs, loads of good info in them, keep up the good work.

[@S_Black]

Putting them on top and to the side of the rocket seems to work. There are just two free extra tiles there. Yes, they will be slow in theory, but rockets are detected a long time before they actually arrive. That also allows you to easily connect automation wires to the doors and the gantries.

[@raismin739]

is more simple than what you thinking... just put anyway near, they are using the same network power of the other scanner edit: he'll probably speak about that in a rocket tutorial

[@mirjanbouma]

Holy chocolate I'm sort of early! Hi there fellow ONI and FJ fans! I hope your day is good.

[@pronkel]

as always thanks for the video :)

[@tomaka121]

cool

[@0x0404]

Your assertion that you don't want 100% network scan is incorrect. You can connect all the output signals together in such a way that the doors close when one detects. Then you use some combination of automation to delay closing as well as the re-opening. It helps for power failures too.

[@bobpants1469]

Jfc what a nightmare space is

[@deeznoodlezz]

Love this!

[@jensjensen7504]

Glad you are going back to doing these type of videos. Its always interesting to see how others manage various "obstacles" of the game. And to see the most "efficient" way :P If you lack ideas for themes, i would like to see series broken down into: Elements (sand, rocks, liquids, gasses): What are its uses etc.. Reactions: Hows does each element react and/or work with other type of elements. ie. burn polluted water and get? etc. Maybe do a low material series, where the above is shown? anyway, i really like your ONI content. Sadly i am over Rimworld myself, after countless hours and beating the game brutally :P

[@Akirasip]

So consensus is either 2 or 6 scanners. I personally like 6 and automate with timers for maximum precision.

[@Cenon2_]

Excellent content as usual Mr. Francis. Are there any bits that have been outdated since introduction of Spaced out / Radiation / update changes ?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This is pretty much still the standard, some people use door crushers to destroy the regolith it takes a bit more automation. Their have been two big changes though. Industrial machinery no longer impacts network. (So you can place stuff near the scanners now) Telescopes can no longer be walled in. (They lose vision now) Scanners and other buildings now show the ranges they need to operate.

[@petrvokas8506]

@@FrancisJohnYT today i noticed another change with scanners. They dont work if you stack them under each other. The signal stais the same. Seems it only depens on sky coverage. But on the other hand, single scanner has better signal (24%). So less scanners needed, but have to be next to each other. (Hope it makes sense, not a native english speaker) And i have one question. Does the detection time (you know, the 40-200 sec before meteors) work the same way with returning rockets? Or does it have fixed time independant of signal strenght?

[@Tamizushi]

I kinda disagree that you should build a batterie box to complement your solar panels. Batterie boxes take a lot of metal to build for relatively little energy storage. I think of solar panels as a way to complement whathever other energy source I was using before. I can just use coal or natural gas or whathever whenever the sun is not shining. If I can rely on the sun 2/3 of the time, then it still means I use 2/3 less fuel.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I think the battery box is my factorio training coming out, solar without accumulators was not very viable. But you are right, in ONI it's a solid option.

[@Tamizushi]

@@FrancisJohnYT The standard steam-turbine/aquatuner cooling setup can also be slightly modified to store energy. The idea is to disable the turbines when batteries are high and to inject more water in the steam chamber when temperature is too high. For comparison, 1 kg of 200 Celcius steam contains 425 joules of electricity when fed to a steam turbine, 1 kg of metal only contains 100 joules of electricity when used to build jumbo batteries, yet metal is generally considered more precious than water. You can get even better numbers by blocking an inlet or two.

[@kamalotkam]

@@Tamizushi I like the idea of using an ethanol chain as the battery for solar. You power distillers with the solar electricity and burn the ethanol on demand. An exploit-free ethanol chain is pretty much a zero-sum game because it needs quite a bit of infrastructure that eats the power of the generators. Like, the CO2 alone requires an army of skimmers plus some sieves to be dealt with. That makes it more of a battery than a power source. Then of course, built in space, there is an easy and exploit-free way to get rid of your CO2 and now your ethanol actually boosts your solar's power generation by being power positive on its own.

[@Tamizushi]

​@@kamalotkam This sounds completely reasonable to me. A single liquid reservoir full of ethanol contains the same amount of energy as 125 jumbo batteries. Plus you will get tons and tons of pdirt which can be used to ranch pokeshells for lime.

[@stepver2273]

why does no one analyze the destination? i build a telescope, supplied it with oxygen, power, and it has 55% visibility, but no one wants to analyze it(i have field research of coarse)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You need astronomy not field research, it might also be priorities settings or the game could need a reload. Try setting the telescope to ! and check under the errands tab of the telescope, if a dupe is on the way it will show you. If no dupe is coming restart the game and try again. If still nothing either dupes cannot access the device, it's missing something (Power/O2) or none of the dupes have the necessary skills.

[@willofone2120]

i like your bild but what about a conveyor dor system at 19:00, where each dor in sequence will close after the next(delay filter) pushing the regolith (after its been broken up) in a direction. it requires no power, has no mass limit, can run during the night, and will not overheat so you don't need thermeum .

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I thought they patched door crushers so now they destroy regolith? I could be wrong. I still prefer to work inside the intended mechanics of the game though it's just feels right.

[@willofone2120]

@@FrancisJohnYT the dors would only be used to move the nodes regolith. you would still use the ato miners to break them.

[@willofone2120]

@@FrancisJohnYT just tested it, it still can push stuff

[@0x0404]

Oh did they add those vision tiles to the space stuff? Oh a mod. Anyway. I didn't expect the line of sight to be centered on the edge of the telescope.

[@SpaceFactsWax]

Thanks for uploading. I got the opportunity to view a rocket launch in 2018. Memorable experience. I uploaded a pretty fun video of the trip to my channel.

[@dashy227]

Finally.

[@kenshell9528]

I think we can add an OR gate, so that if one of the 2 scanners detects the meteor, the door would close, without having both of them needing to send the green signal. right?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

You can but then you are closing the doors earlier than you need to, remember worst case scenario they will both detect the meteors with time left to close the door.

[@czabinator]

Thx!

[@matpegheata]

This needs multiplayer

[@AddisonLuh]

Instead of using miners, what about using horizontal mechanical airlocks to open and close to crush the fallen regolith? I've been doing that for my bases and it's power free and faster and required no cooling. Each open/close breaks one layer. You do need automation to setup the open/close cycles though.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

I though that method now destroyed the regolith? or was that just a rumor?

[@AddisonLuh]

@@FrancisJohnYT oh haven't heard of that. I'll have to observe it.

[@AddisonLuh]

@@FrancisJohnYT Ah you're right! My doors are now destroying the regolith! Although sometimes they do leave a few debris of regolith, I think when there's something hidden in the tile to begin with. Sad day...

[@AntimatePcCustom]

hmm. last dispencer. why not make it into a conveyer deposit? to transport iron, gold and stuff? then everything is out of the way it's should be ok. no interference :)

[@allthewrongplaces9786]

Why not just leave the regolith where it is? Also, what does the regolith have to do with slowing your computer down (if your CPU is weak)? Lastly, if my computer CPU is not very good, what is the most processor heavy stuff in the game that I can control and maybe speed up dawn screen freeze. Thank you!

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Sweeping all the debris into one spot is the easiest thing you can do to improve performance. For one thing it reduces temp calculations between the debris and the surrounding atmosphere. Secondly if your dupes are looing for something like building material to construct a copper ore door they have to do a search to find the closest ore and chose between all the different options. No choice required if it's all in one spot. After sweeping it's best to avoid mixed gases and liquids.

[@todeast6842]

Yay an oni video!

[@whiteknight3929]

No wonder I wasn't doing very well in space, most of this stuff doesn't make logical sense unless you know the game mechanics behind it

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It's pretty brutal your first time in space, they don't really explain anything. Their was no guides when they first introduced it so lets just say the learning curve was brutal.

[@rhym8882]

Surface level gameplay needs to be reinvented. The structures needed for effective gameplay are way too complex and goofy.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The fact you need a mod to display vision radius and a third party calculator to work out rocket fuel requirements is kind of crazy.

[@ggcedicoes6599]

how to make the doors open when a rocket is coming back and there is comets falling? every time my rockets smash through the bunkers doors

[@carterhero]

A little late to the video but can't you have mesh tiles above the scan area of the scanners and just never worry about the metors? Or does that still block view because it can't see the top of the map at all?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The mesh tiles would be destroyed by meteors so you need the bunker doors to stop that from happening.

[@carterhero]

@@FrancisJohnYT oh cool thanks.

[@kinderdm]

Is there a solution for the sweepers overheating? Yes with thermium they don't overheat till 975, but as its space, and sweepers make their own heat, they continue to heat till they pass 975 and break, then they have to be deconstructed and remade. Thermium makes it take longer to overheat, but doesn't solve the problem. Anything that does? They get too hot for a self cooled steam generator to keep up, plus its a pain to try and get a cooling loop onto them that wont evaporate the liquid, though not impossible.

[@Not_Aa_Bird]

The regolith from the meteors fall down on the sweepers when the bunker doors open, this keeps the sweepers at around 300°C so they never overheat!

[@kinderdm]

@@Not_Aa_Bird Ahh, that makes sense. I still had mine overheating all the time initially though. Perhaps because I had a bit of a regolith backlog to get through. I ended up hiding them under the C's and liquid loop cooling them, which was a huge pain But now that it's caught up maybe I can move them back out and stop.

[@maxmustermann850]

Hey! Thanks for the tutorial, perfect timing since I was going to tap into space for the first time :) however, I do have a question about the number and arrangement of scanners. So 6 scanners allow the earliest detection of meteor showers, right? So why only use 2? Another question is why is stacking the scanners 15 tiles apart bad?

[@S_Black]

You don't really need maximum quality. The failure chance is very low once you combine several scanners. To start with you can just use one scanner if you only have some doors above a telescope for example. If anything gets hit it can be repaired or rebuilt.

[@FrikInCasualMode]

The more scanners you use, the higher chance one of them *fails* to detect incoming meteors. Then it will send happily send "all clear" signal down the line and open the doors - just in time for meteors to hit.

[@hbarudi]

What can airflow and mesh tiles be used in space? do they allow leakage of material in space or can I use them to airflow between rooms with back wall when building things in space? I like the DLC when it comes to space since you can better upgrade to alternative energy without things crashing those solar panels.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Airflow and mesh can be used in space, gas and liquids do not leak through the back of them.

[@hbarudi]

@@FrancisJohnYT What about pneumatic door and open airlock, mechanical airlock, and bunker doors?

[@drovertable]

Hi there great video. I really appreciate it. I try this build. Works great so far. However there's slight problem. When the debris is too much collected on top of the bunker door. And when the door release it. Some of them still manage to pile on top of the miner. The miner couldnt mine it fast enough and get entombed. So dupes still have to come and help and repair. Is this avoidable?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

If you keep the doors tight against the top of the map only 2 tiles of regolith can collect. If you have them lower than that you need to leave more space below the miners.

[@drovertable]

@@FrancisJohnYT thank you. I kept too much space from the red zone.

[@mjay4312]

Hi Francis, would you consider doing a supplement to this video explaining exactly how the automation between the scanners and the bunker doors actually works? I have been using last year's video and I am almost finished the setup. I have found comments to this new video talking about getting the automation to work but it still isn't very clear to me. These are some of the questions I had. 1. Since the latest that 2 scanners would detect the meteor shower is 67 seconds will I want to build in a delay of 28 seconds so that they start shutting 39 seconds before the shower or do the scanners delay sending the signal to the bunker doors themselves? 2. Related to that question, if the scanners detected the shower immediately (200 seconds out) are they going to (a) Start closing immediately, or start closing after 28 seconds( if I have installed a buffer) and (b) if they have closed after my 28 second buffer leaving approximately 134 seconds left to go until the shower, will the bunker doors remain closed until the shower is finished or will the scanners loose contact due to the closed doors and signal the doors to re-open? And finally (3). What does change in order for the scanners to signal the doors to re-open? Is it (a) once they failed to detect the signal due to the bunkers doors being closed, or (b) is there a set period of time that they close for (which would cause a problem if they detect early). As you can tell.... I'm confused.... This is about my 6th attempt at a colony and my first attempt to get into space.... and I am going to succeed darn it!! I was very depressed to read that they are about to redo space in a months time. If the changes are radical I will be wanting to restart with a whole new colony. Waah!! My seed SNDST-A-1270186283-WSF (the easy asteroid) is really good as it has 2 natural gas geysers side by side quite close to your initial base as well as a hydrogen vent, iron volcano and 2 polluted water vents on the map. Probably the reason I have actually made it this far as power and water supply have been so easy! Love your videos. They have been very helpful to me. Obsessed with this game....

[@mjay4312]

EDIT: Well, I powered it up. Still not sure exactly how it works....but it works with the doors staying closed for each meteor shower regardless of when it is detected. So maybe no video needed!

[@planeman4453]

great video! But would there be any way to automate the removal of that regolith outside of the solar array setup? (without interfering with the scanners)

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Any other way? Their are multiple ways of removing regolith but I'm not sure I get the question. The above setup does not interfere with the scanners.

[@planeman4453]

@@FrancisJohnYT transporting the regolith automatically, away from there. No manual input. Because if you use the conveyer loader it messes with the scanners.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

@@planeman4453 With droppers you can move it almost as far as you want. Once it's far enough away from the scanners you can do whatever you want.

[@planeman4453]

@@FrancisJohnYT oh right. Thanks

[@truezulu]

Nice :)

[@Alan.24]

Quick question, why specifically petroleum? would crude or pwater work?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

The temps will go above 200C so you can't use water. Crude and petroleum work great, they are an easy liquid to get your hands on that has a large temp range to work with.

[@Alan.24]

neat, thanks

[@ateteu_]

What materials do you use for solar pannels? Steel? Also, dont they generate heat? Which means you would need to cool down, etc

[@dereklearnslow]

Don't have to make them out of steel. They don't have heating problems

[@dereklearnslow]

Unless hot debris falls on it

[@GonzaloArgento]

The sweepers get overheated. Any idea? Cooling Pipes?

[@GonzaloArgento]

Just got the vid again and found "Thernium", ignore my previous question.

[@WeirdOne19142]

Woot.

[@gummygnom]

Why is the regolith lying around a problem?

[@chaowang9312]

I have no idea why the space spanner wants to reopen the door during the meteor shower once a while. It's a shame that the game gives you the ability to do 100% network quality but doesn't want you to use it.

[@SuperMonkei]

You guys never played KSP I hear.

[@Beef1188]

In some of your playthroughs I've seen you tuck in a corner and wall in the space scanner you use for the rocket silo doors. Does this by any chance also work for the space scanner exploit you mentioned?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

Afraid not, those scanners are depending on other scanners network quality.

[@MrTomyCJ]

Could putting the buker doors so close to the top of the map, cause that some meteors crash up outside of the world and their content (like iron) get deleted?

[@sudhanshugupta9155]

Finally!!

[@tyraelpl]

Id like to now see a tutorial for options to take care of regolith. I mean ALL the possible options... Thank you for this update but i seems a bit... redundant, cos rockets and asteroid top is gonna get an update which will likely mess things up, again :P

[@raismin739]

1: use as filtration medium 2: feed the Vole! 3: regolith smether i usually make a set up in the end whit this priority sometime skipping the 2 or the 3 remember to cool down the regolith before introducing into the base and not to cool down when entering into the smelter :)

[@tyraelpl]

@@raismin739 I know the general use, but im curious as to how and maybe some unorthodox ways... like destroying it. Overall I think that comprehensive video about regolith itself is in order. It's probably the only thing that can and will kill your save file if you dont stack it and possibly get rid of it. I'd love some juicy details :P like: vole food? great - how many voles are needed to break even with average regolith generation. Filtration? Great, how many rails are needed to cool it down to a reasonable temperature, say 30 centigrade. Smelters i did see but that could be covered too.

[@raismin739]

@@tyraelpl well, waiting for the video, here some tips: food source:keep some vole not tamed that you feed whit regolith they eat 4800 kg/cycle per vole and theire egg drop to a chamber were they get tamed once hatch and make them starve. You need 0,05 vole per dupe or 1,2 for a colony of 24 (when baby they consume only 90% of they calory normal consumption and they have enought calories to resist until they make a new tamed egg (they will make 1,445 egg before starving) and they will resist atother 10 cycle before dying after they start starving) You only need regolith as food only to mass producing the starter vole and they will keep infintely :P the regolith will come out at 240°C - 420°C and 4.8-7.2 t (6t per meteors on average) for meteors and you get around 2,882 rock meteors per cycle you probably need 2 turbine for rail (worst case) and 1,44 rail on average. so two rail passing in a steam chamber whit 3 turbine and you get your regolith at around 125°C, then enter in a chamber cooled down by a single standard cooling device (turbine+thermo aquatuner) and you are set. regolith smelter is too complicated to speak about in a single comment XD, Francis have make a video on that I'm pretty sure... in the baby base if i'm not wrong

[@tyraelpl]

@@raismin739 Wow! You took it rather seriously, it's far more than i would've imagined from YT comments! Thank you! I'm curious about FJ's solutions, setups etc, personally i have the game handled i think but id like to see other people's ideas and creativeness at work with all the details and quirks. For example, I'd love to see a hot steam tamer which is really efficient, preferably without any abuses or "cheats". Properly utilizing 500 °C steam for power and water at the same time is kinda tricky. I mean: from such a vent id like to see a solution that gives both a surplus of power and relatively cold water. Same goes for hydrogen but that seems way easier i think since it doesn't phase change during cooling like water. Again thank you for your time taken to write it all!

[@raismin739]

@@tyraelpl no need to thank me, i really enjoy tech and learn new things XD. i don't use steam turbine at 500°C they really took a lot of space, if you are tolking about steam vent, there is a video made by another YTer (i don't remember the name) that show how to use the steam vent to cool down (he make liquid hydrogen using one vent and still recycling the 95°C water that give the vent, so cool XD). steam vent don't give a lot of water, for water producing are way better the gyser (Poluted, salted and clean), other vent that give hot gasses, there is a little problem: gasses don't have enought thermo energy (thermo capacity and mass) to get enought energy to balance the use of space, just seal it of. NOT the hydrogen, they are really useful for liquid hydrogen and a little of power (just redouce the temp to 125°C whit simple turbine e radiant pipe). the good news are iron/copper/magma volcanos they are fantastic (gold have not a lot of energy capacity, bust still way better than hydrogen to power). natural gas are pretty useless too if you calclate the average output XD petroleoum boiler for the win until you get the resources for NG boiler or regolith melter, if you are tryng to do the objective of the green energy, use H generator whit botomless roudriguez, is amazing. (I'm doing the rime more objective challenge and is the next in agenda, i lost carnivore tought )

[@adamparmelee]

Do you have a solution for overheating solar arrays? Mine like to break occasionally.

[@joshuavarney2346]

Is it practical to use sun bugs to charge solar panels?

[@SouthernN0mad]

Whats a full mod list you use for QoL?

[@JerekDain]

Do you have a bird? I heard something that sounded like it might have been a bird close to the end.

[@FrancisJohnYT]

My window was probably open, I don't own a bird. Though this is a stray cat that come by some times for a snack.

[@Ascernolisk]

9:00

[@emilterman6924]

There's a mod: No manual delivery. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2047308624 It allows disabling dupes from manually delivering stuff to a building. Useful for those automatic dispensers

[@Spoonwood]

Does sweepy cause interference with the space scanner?

[@raismin739]

they don't but they are pretty useless, they really need a buff

[@Leorhit]

Space takes a stupid amount of time to setup in vanilla oni.

[@xN3hiox]

I dont bother with space scanner anymore for rockets, too much hassle. Just use automation with buffer for exact time rocket is coming back, like 2.7 cycles thats 8.1 buffers wiht 8 at 200s and one at 20, doors opens, rockets comes in, door stayes open until it leaves again, no scanner, no mess, lots of buffers though

[@kminrzymski]

Telescopes still work while walled in? Are you effin kidding me?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

It's amazing the little bugs that can sneak into games just due to the way code functions. They will most likely patch this out at some point.

[@Caracal-lm6es]

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[@beekey9501]

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[@DeathEatsCurry]

It might take the robo miners to take several hundred cycles to heat up.. But it takes several seconds if the regolith piles against it and transfers heat..

[@Sytesh]

Just made it to space, closed off the top of the map with bunker tiles (will replace as needed with bunker doors) and so I started checking out this video. However it seems the latest update changed some of this? Is there a new setup that works better or more compactly?

[@FrancisJohnYT]

This is pretty much still the standard, some people use door crushers to destroy the regolith it takes a bit more automation. Their have been two big changes though. Industrial machinery no longer impacts network. (So you can place stuff near the scanners now) Telescopes can no longer be walled in. (They lose vision now)

[@rengosaurus5325]

I looked for exactly that. thank you! So... i destroy everything ... for the 5th time and this time it'll work.

[@mirjanbouma]

Only the fifth? 😋

[@PoringPoring951]

You got to pump those numbers up!

[@JfkNeedsWindWall]

Even using debug mode to design a build then make a blueprint, i still end up destroying and recreating things

[@PietjeNL]

27:33 Missing the save game in the description.

[@divat10]

drive.google.com/file/d/1jEY0Xcs3IEX2PsRGP9QwqCFyMDt4-6q9/view Here you go

[@Notllamalord]

I can’t describe how much I needed this

[@chibi120]

The timing of this couldnt be better. Just started looking into space stuff and ive been looking for a comprehensive vid for a while. Thank you!

[@aleverettes2789]

Space mechanics are so fun to manage! Can wait for Klei to rework the whole thing

[@blazingfish8486]

Not in vanilla

[@ethanblack5642]

I comment to help statistics

[@chandl34]

I'm using 100% network quality in my game. I have a filter for 130 seconds, then a buffer for 50 seconds. This seems to prevent the issue with the doors re-opening immediately after closing. I also have a few regolith cruncher doors set up.

[@gus.smedstad]

The filter / buffer pair is an absolute solution to the issue of false-negatives he brings up. You detect the shower 200 seconds out, the filter starts the doors closing at 70 seconds, the doors finish at 32 seconds, and the buffer makes sure they stay closed for 50 seconds after that. You're now 18 seconds into the shower, and the scanners will all be sending "detected" signals even though scan quality is now 0%. It's straightforward, and I'm baffled that John simply gave up on a decent solution, and recommended the much-inferior 2 scanner setup instead.