We REALLY Need to Talk About Marvel Rivals Wolverine

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Marvel Rivals is here and so is Wolverine, one of my favorite heroes to play so far. But there's just one problem... he's kinda getting gapped by almost every other character. Is it me? Is it the character? Why does Iron Fist exist? Well one thing's for sure... I have to get MVP.
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We REALLY Need to Talk About Marvel Rivals Wolverine

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@blueblood1275
@blueblood1275 Күн бұрын
Wolverines are so confusing, one game their Wolverine is dog water and he just gets nuked and the next he is the second scariest thing beside an iron fist.
@bluesquirrel0175
@bluesquirrel0175 Күн бұрын
New game=unbalanced player base, some sweats have been running a marvel rivals specific playlist in aimlabs for 7 months, some people downloaded the game 4 days after everyone else (guilty 🙋🏼‍♂️) some people can merc Logan on sight, some people don’t even see him, some Logan’s can avoid getting Merced 90% of the time, some Logan’s Zerg their way to the enemy spawn and die
@markuskidd546
@markuskidd546 Күн бұрын
It’s because anyone with braincells shuts him down completely. He needs a serious rework because iron fist having a legit healing factor compared to him is ridiculous.
@lightspaceman5064
@lightspaceman5064 Күн бұрын
Sure some people who play him are actually Devil May Cry combo artists and can turn it into a single player game. But there’s not gonna be any consistency because his engage tools are his escape options and sometimes you just get caught and can’t do anything.
@HellsDragonEmperor
@HellsDragonEmperor Күн бұрын
Wolverine coming at people like foxy from fnaf 🤣🤣🤣
@lollipop2.053
@lollipop2.053 Күн бұрын
bronze take
@Flowtato
@Flowtato Күн бұрын
the hit box on wolverine's leap needs to be fix. Sometimes it hits, most of the time it doesn't
@Bekfst
@Bekfst Күн бұрын
It’s cheeks af
@Khan-_-Art1st
@Khan-_-Art1st Күн бұрын
I just wish it had more horizontal leeway. I should be able to use it on the ground and not jump over an enemy right in front. It most definitely isn't azz tho
@kryptonianguest1903
@kryptonianguest1903 Күн бұрын
@@Khan-_-Art1st Yup, the main thing Wolverine needs is for his leap to more consistently catch an enemy that's right in front of him. Its job is separating enemies from their team and it needs to be able to do that more consistently.
@alejandrobrown1499
@alejandrobrown1499 Күн бұрын
Yes it needs better angle adjustment but works best just after X slash
@xSpeakerYT
@xSpeakerYT Күн бұрын
All dashes and leaps go slightly left of your crosshair because that's where the character is. When aiming any dashes or leaps that you need to land on an enemy like Magicks dash, aim slightly to the right of them.
@LukeyPookie
@LukeyPookie Күн бұрын
Wolverine should get passive healing out of combat instead of whatever it is they tried to do
@yourbelovedautumn
@yourbelovedautumn Күн бұрын
imo wolverine should be able to to attach himself to people like ironfist, there's no reason ironfist should be able to fly up to iron man and m1 him to death no problem but wolverine can get destroyed by someone holding s and shooting at him, this + maybe lifesteal to encourage a more brawler playstyle would make him better
@blakereed92
@blakereed92 Күн бұрын
Hulk needs this too imo
@hectorpacheco9870
@hectorpacheco9870 Күн бұрын
fr iron fist almost flies better than most fliers lol
@Watchful049
@Watchful049 Күн бұрын
I feel like he should have some sort of bleed mechanic or health reduction with his hits. Maybe make it like elden ring bleed where more hits means you'll proc instant damage. That or make it where enough hits should proc a debuff that reduces max health like Bucky's ult. It should eventually go away but if the debuffed character gets healed, they'll suffer a reduced healing penalty and the reduced health will get healed first.
@rajabuta
@rajabuta Күн бұрын
Sounds more like fisto needs a nerf 😂
@yourbelovedautumn
@yourbelovedautumn Күн бұрын
@@rajabuta nah, it's still way less range than any ranged character in the game so it's really on you if you're playing iron man and let iron fist get close enough to hug you
@mohammedbaig9569
@mohammedbaig9569 Күн бұрын
Wolverine having no climb ability is insane. In fact unpopular opinion I think all melee characters save for maybe Magik need more wall verticality. Maybe not being able to stay up there permanently like spiderman or venom, but at least some way to get over minor but annoying obstacles and terrain
@CJ-ct2mu
@CJ-ct2mu Күн бұрын
Who can't do this? Most melees have some sort of dash or double jump.
@videogamer678
@videogamer678 15 сағат бұрын
@@CJ-ct2mu Psylocke for some reason; you know the LITERAL ninja.
@nux2k
@nux2k 15 сағат бұрын
I was just thinking this. Wolverine should be able to stab his claws into walls and climb slowly he does it in comic books and cartoons all the time but it's not very fast he should even be able to clean the walls just by stabbing it as a way to hide for a gank
@Mcflyzx
@Mcflyzx 14 сағат бұрын
​@@videogamer678 she has the Dash
@cookiecreep9204
@cookiecreep9204 Күн бұрын
I loved the part in the wolverine movie, when he jumped and started clawing at the iron samurai, but a healer tapped him once so wolverine no longer had enough damage. Absolute cinema.
@wooly7098
@wooly7098 Күн бұрын
Maining him atm He's really not AS BAD as people think, but you are not wrong by saying he's rlly bad still. This is a combination by Tanks not being all that if we're bein honest, tanks standing deeply within the pack which means u gotta Look for spots to drag em into or coordinate with your team when you're dragging em in and his lack of mobility. To fix these issues he could use 3 Key buffs. First is a slight dmg buff against squishies but not tanks (TLDR: If you slice a Underwater Jeff with MAX beserk he can almost heal PAST it, standing still, no bubbles.) Next is a Slight range increase of his dash, it is currently EXACTLY half of black panthers, hela dash, and lowest req starlord dash. Makin it 75% of each rather than 50 would help. Then finally give him an all fours SPRINT. It's wolverine. Givin em an all fours sprint that lets him run/bounce from wall to wall would help with his illusivness without making him unkillable on the right team like the "Lifesteal" idea.
@danielcolby7920
@danielcolby7920 Күн бұрын
Why an all fours sprint? That would look so dumb. And destroy the aura of the character. Give him movement speed off of rage, as well as rage being harder to lose. And some other sort of way to heal and with everything else you said it would bring him to A tier. Which is the pinnacle of balance.
@Bebopvicious00
@Bebopvicious00 Күн бұрын
Here is what he needs. 1. Passive regen and or extra regen when activating his defense skill. 2. Attack speed boost as rage goes up. This would make killing squishies easier and not require damage number tweak. 3. Leap reset on kill. Giving him a mobility in and mobility out.
@Thunderbeer604
@Thunderbeer604 Күн бұрын
Also needs a wall climb.
@kingofhits6164
@kingofhits6164 Күн бұрын
His passive cooldown also needs to be cut in half
@leebard9335
@leebard9335 Күн бұрын
Imagine if holding the leap button down let you sprint until you let go to leap; a Wolverine sprinting to flank would be so panic-inducing knowing he's coming for you
@iihellionii9742
@iihellionii9742 Күн бұрын
He just needs better cooldowns and a more reliable leap. Maybe dash forward and stab/grab then leap so it’s easier to aim maybe? Also a double jump or wall climb would be fantastic.
@pyros4333
@pyros4333 Күн бұрын
Nope just slower rage drain and slightly increase % movement per rage
@kryptonianguest1903
@kryptonianguest1903 Күн бұрын
@@pyros4333 The leap misses adjacent targets too often to reliably do its job of separating one enemy from their team.
@behemoth2887
@behemoth2887 Күн бұрын
@@pyros4333the passive cooldown is way to long for a character that is famous for his insane healing factor
@danielcolby7920
@danielcolby7920 Күн бұрын
​@@pyros4333 That's a great idea. To add to what you said I think he needs more of an emphasis on the healing factor as well. Heal on kill or a slow but constant passive heal on top of his current passive. And his quick dash strike needs like 25% more range.
@justicebrown1077
@justicebrown1077 Күн бұрын
His leap isnt that bad. You can interrupt it with his other abilities without loosing the attack bonus, so you can Leap into his Rampage (right click) for better targetting. Or leap into his E for better range and applies your damage resist while flying through the air (preferably toward the enemy)
@krakenmckraken9128
@krakenmckraken9128 Күн бұрын
I’m fine with the anti tank approach but he needs some buffs. His mobility option is needed to shred tanks once you’re already close so it’s not even a mobility option. So flanking is harder than it should be. His health does not carry him even with the regen since it hardly ever procs. The cooldown is way too long. He’s also just inferior to someone like iron fist who will stick on you like glue. Wolverine isn’t just weak against squishies but he’s so easily kited while out dpsing him too.
@jjay2771
@jjay2771 Күн бұрын
I think part of the issue is they expect the Hulk/Wolverine teamup to get Wolverine in and then he peels someone off with his leap. I agree he needs some improvements to his mobility but with a good hulk tossing you around he has a lot more mobility.
@princeoftech7473
@princeoftech7473 Күн бұрын
​@@jjay2771that would only become more viable if there weren't Characters that have way stronger sustainability and movement by themselves.
@jjay2771
@jjay2771 Күн бұрын
@@princeoftech7473 This game doesn't lock you to one hero; if your playing wolverine dps and not matched up to a tank heavy team then you should just switch. If you actually play with harder AI they swap heroes a lot more frequently. Imo too many people have OW main mentality when a key feature of this game is you can counter pick mid match. Characters like Wolverine and Black Panther do a lot more when they pop out randomly, rather then when you play them the whole match.
@wileecoyoteee9416
@wileecoyoteee9416 Күн бұрын
@@jjay2771 That's a good point. I mean I don't think people should switch off of who they want to play and have fun with just because the characters they team might not be played as often - but, it's good to remember that your ult stays up to 50% when switching, so there might not be harm in like.. switching to Squirrel Girl for 1 life just to clear a jammed hallway and then switching back right afterward, kinda like "playing different cards in a deck builder" so-to-speak
@jjay2771
@jjay2771 Күн бұрын
@@wileecoyoteee9416 Thats how I have been trying to play flexing my pick around the enemy team and having some good success. I do look forward to more heroes in the future and some buffs to underperforming ones it would def be nice if Wolverine was more playable but I don't mind the idea of each hero having counters and bouncing around between my favorites based on what others use. I did start learning more heroes i didnt really want to play like iron fist just cause they are meta tbh.
@BerlinTrainStation1
@BerlinTrainStation1 Күн бұрын
This WAS NOT a redemption arc for Wolverine.
@erichmahnke5806
@erichmahnke5806 Күн бұрын
Bro welcome to the hardest thing in the world. Getting mvp as wolverine. I main him, do pretty good most of the time in top dps and I’ve only gotten mvp twice
@bandmansantino3322
@bandmansantino3322 Күн бұрын
Lmao same, when you get it though it feels so damn good
@magoog9864
@magoog9864 Күн бұрын
I got it twice today
@Monke0o0
@Monke0o0 Күн бұрын
I’ve only have 3 mvp in total as Wolverine
@-Ozone-
@-Ozone- 3 сағат бұрын
Honestly, nah, you just have to learn how to play Logan efficiently. I've been steady maining him for about a week, and I'm already about to crack Diamond 3 with his kit, and in pretty much 40% of my games, I get mvp or svp. Wolverine is just best used as either a kidnapper dps on offense, using your map knowledge along with smart usage of cds to flank the enemy team, grab their tank, and bring them to your team. Or as an area controller on defense, typically sitting around corners or on very high ground waiting for their tank to push past the choke point (since they'll always lead the charge due to their high health pools), then doing the same as you would on offense, grab em and drag em to your team. The problem really lies in both team coordination and counterpicks, as per usual. Team coordination becomes an issue, as to blow up their tank faster than their supports can heal em, you'll need your team to follow up on ur successful pounce. As for counterpicks, Logan is pretty bad against almost any character that is NOT a tank due to his low dps against squishies in addition to his below average mobility, but on top of that, most tanks can just outright thwart Logan's ko attempt, should they use their cooldowns correctly. Hulk can bubble, magneto can bubble, penny can stun + mines make it harder to flank and control space (tho she is pretty easy to kill once you're able to get in), venom can just gtfo if his swing is off cd (which is why you wanna wait till he uses it to engage first), strange can levitate, cap can just sprint away + shield (on top of it being difficult to pin cap anyways due to his size), thor can reasonably 1 on 1 Wolverine if you don't have healing factor online, and the only one that really gets cooked is groot. However, that's ALL without considering the fact that should said tank get healed, it's pretty much game over for the ko attempt unless you have teammates who back you up. What you play Wolverine for, in all honesty, is his ultimate. It is genuinely one of THE best dps ultimates in the game right behind other busted ults such as winter soldier's. His ultimate is mainly what you’ll be using to kill squishies and end up fragging out with getting team wipes. Fortunately, due to you spending a majority of your time farming tanks for ult charge, your ultimate essentially evolves into just another cd. So, in short, if you ARE able to use him correctly, you'll end most matches with high, of not the highest kills and dmg, along with a ton of dmg blocked.
@jocosesonata
@jocosesonata Күн бұрын
He needs constant health regeneration. Like, it's his most iconic ability. Constantly healing 5HP, or get lifesteal for each strike so it seems like he's constantly regeneration.
@MrProdigy810
@MrProdigy810 Күн бұрын
Not sure if you realized this but if you ult someone as wolverine, they can only go where the physics allow. So if a wall or the payload stops them from moving, they might not end up where you ulted towards
@willjoyner3638
@willjoyner3638 Күн бұрын
Seems like Wolverine should be used as a counter pick into tank heavy teams. Blind picking him may be weaker.
@rakhaanantabaskoro4461
@rakhaanantabaskoro4461 Күн бұрын
15:02 "Noting really satisfies the Wolverine power fantasy more than ✨upies✨" 🤣🤣🤣
@Khan-_-Art1st
@Khan-_-Art1st Күн бұрын
Honestly Wolverine being a tankbuster is so fitting and I'm actually happy in that sense. Still wouldn't mind a few buffs for him. Specifically his leap should have less cooldown time. His passive is cool but I wouldn't mind that mechanic being tied to his damage reduction ability and his passive being passive regeneration after a certain time of not taking any damage.
@shadowdragon7347
@shadowdragon7347 Күн бұрын
Ok so I did the math here and he deals a lil over 30 damage per strike hitting groot (highest health pool in the game) if he has max rage with the base damage being 15 so it doubles Meanwhile putting the same calculation on a support health pool he deals about 19 damage per strike with the base being 15 so it barely helps at all. Add in the other bonuses from rage and abilities, then assuming you dont miss a single strike that puts his time to kill a groot at around 7 seconds if groot recieves NO HEALING. Meanwhile the time to kill a support such as luna snow is about 5 seconds if you dont miss a strike and she recieves NO HEALING
@Ingwar1993
@Ingwar1993 Күн бұрын
30? you miscalculated somewhere. Groot's hp=700 wolverine deal damage equal to 6% of the target's max hp with full rage, 700*0,06 =42. base 15+42=57
@GVQuadra
@GVQuadra Күн бұрын
and I did the math that he does over 400 dmg per sec against an ulted hulk with his enhanced slashes
@nono-nx7cj
@nono-nx7cj Күн бұрын
@@Ingwar1993 I'm assuming he's referring to the berserk state (which does less damage per swing). (.035 * 100) + 1 = 4.5, 700 * 0.045 = 31.5 + 6 = 37.5 per swing, or 220.5 DPS meaning it's 3.17s to kill a groot from full (excluding needing rage, damage from shift itself and likely dashing in with right click). I'm not really sure where he got the 7 seconds from.
@Lord-Irkalla
@Lord-Irkalla Күн бұрын
Wolverine probably works best with Hulk to turn him into a boomerang assassin lol. Throw him in for a pin, and then he does his leaping pin to get back to Hulk and they both beat on the target
@Durzza
@Durzza Күн бұрын
your hulk has to be atleast 5% competent.
@tucker2138
@tucker2138 Күн бұрын
@@DurzzaThis is also assuming the pin will actually work
@MrProdigy810
@MrProdigy810 Күн бұрын
​@@tucker2138 And that the enemy team actually has a tank
@kryptonianguest1903
@kryptonianguest1903 Күн бұрын
@@MrProdigy810 If you successfully pull someone back into your team, it doesn't matter what type of character they are, they're still dead. The problem is that the leap doesn't connect consistently enough with adjacent enemies. That's the only fix Wolverine really needs to do his job.
@AwkwardDreamer
@AwkwardDreamer Күн бұрын
I have a reddit post about this but these are some of the things I'd like to see (specifically the movement speed): Movement speed boost (like up to 10% or 20% that scales based on Rage) so you can keep up with targets once you're on them. Claw Strikes reduce the cooldown of his dash and leap by .2 seconds. This will allow him to use the dash consistently as combo with his sets of 4 slashes (4 slashes, dash, 4 slashes, repeat) or as a better gap closer. This also sets up more opportunity for leaps, to remain mobile or set up additional combos. Passive healing that increases the lower health he is (1HP+5% of missing HP per second). This allows him to heal flavorfully without it being overwhelming. Potentially reducing his max health to 250 as a trade off. Potentially a healing reduction component on his claw strikes. Think 1-2 seconds of 25%-50% healing reduction when you hit someone with your claws to help him bring tanks down. 25% is likely more than sufficient. Perhaps even tied to his Berserker Rage to limit how active it is. I find that playing Wolverine, he's great IF you can get to and stick to your targets but they usually just walk away from you. I don't want lock on like Ironfist has, I just want to be able to catch and keep up with people, specifically tanks.
@abx-cl7qm
@abx-cl7qm Күн бұрын
Also another fun idea with wolverine. Set people up to be killed by ur team ill at times kidnap a support and put them in a bad position so they die. But yes tank busting and putting a tank in a bad position is the main objective.
@ShibbyMuk
@ShibbyMuk Күн бұрын
A combo I saw that really helped me feel stronger on Wolverine is to jump while looking up, use you shift to launch into the air, pop your e to get cancel the launch midair, and then right click to dive to where you want. You'll still have berserk strikes when you land, you can pick which target you dive at super easily, and you can dive from like 40 meters doing this, and then just use your dash or the same combo to get back towards your team.
@keyweildersora4563
@keyweildersora4563 Күн бұрын
The slowmo lunge miss trying to stop the ult was cinema
@noisepoIIution
@noisepoIIution Күн бұрын
Love the Marvel Rivals videos! Keep em coming!
@MagiBandaClown
@MagiBandaClown Күн бұрын
I dont even think his kit/cooldown times are bad. He just needs something else. Maybe a health gain passive everytime he does 25% HP damage while attacking to keep up with how insane sustain is in this game.
@PWNDotcom3299
@PWNDotcom3299 Күн бұрын
Fun fact about NYC in the game, it's currently overrun by the armies of Dracula in an endless night
@brandonnowonline6533
@brandonnowonline6533 Күн бұрын
If you chain your right click into your shift, it will land every time even on smaller targets.
@Wrathura
@Wrathura Күн бұрын
Every 20 seconds: "My mouse!" This is why I don use wireless
@CT-REX-gf4es
@CT-REX-gf4es Күн бұрын
Based, I’m glad that just bc you know how to play him it doesn’t mean he’s “op” like most other KZbinrs. I just really hope he gets buffed majorly
@CT-REX-gf4es
@CT-REX-gf4es Күн бұрын
In comp I land the leap then get a hit marker…just how am I supposed to play a character that doesn’t work?
@PDilling
@PDilling 17 сағат бұрын
I think, aside from fixing his leap, slightly more movement speed, so he sticks better, and some anti-heal on his claw attacks, when they are on max stack, would do wonders for him. :3
@Kravockian
@Kravockian Күн бұрын
Wolverine absolutely needs to be fixed. He is only good against tanks. He is slower than everyone else even though his info says he is supposed to be faster, and it makes no sense that he can hit tanks for so much but on squishy characters he does the least amount of damage. All of his abilities lack damage with their only use being to get in to abduct a tank or to escape. On paper he looks great and then you do the math and realize that against none tanks the only character that hits less is dagger, not cloak, dagger and he is supposed to be a dps duelist. His ult does 50 damage if you lose the coin toss on whether or not you get your pin. He needs a lot of work done and I believe it is because no one got to play test him in the betas that these issues are still apparent. TLDR; You can get some awesome plays but he needs some serious buffs/fixes.
@Makeveliii
@Makeveliii Күн бұрын
Yup you’re right i did the numbers, basically he needs to hit any where between 10 - 30 times on his primary to get a kill, with the sweet spot being between 10 - 15 hits at 100% rage on most chars regardless of class/hp. This basically makes him useless without his berserk mode cause thats the only instance where he attacks fast enough to get in those hits within a reasonable time before falling over. Even with all that, his damage is still so low on a single hit most of the time, that most chars will either out heal him or kill him before he can get a kill, even after using all his cds. He’s designed *really* badly tbh. I don’t see why his 6% damage increase based on health couldn’t be part of his base kit without the rage meter. Or why his primary is so dependent on berserk mode, which means you ALWAYS have to use your leap before you engage to have the hope of doing anything meaningful. He’s too much work for too little reward
@Steamroller-ot2gm
@Steamroller-ot2gm Күн бұрын
Wolverine is my main and absolutely one of the best for attack side on maps, play with stealth and once your team is in place dash in and pick up their tank and yoink them into your team, by the time their dead repeat it on their 2nd tank or highest health character and you easily push forward. I've been getting so many hate and praise msgs from enemy tanks since I don't let them play the game 😂
@PhantoRoyce
@PhantoRoyce Күн бұрын
Wolverine should be a vanguard who’s immune to some CC. Give him an ability called “smoke break” where he lights a cigar and smokes it all in one draw to regain health
@Watchful049
@Watchful049 Күн бұрын
Ye I feel like a tank role fits him better than duelist. Make it so he has a slow but constant health regeneration. Also, they should make his e boost his passive regeneration and further decreasing damage from ranged attacks.
@jonr4291
@jonr4291 Күн бұрын
1. Passive heal as rage dissipates 2. Speed boost with rage 3. Damage boost against kidnap targets 4. tiny, flat DoT bleed on attacks, damage does not stack but instead duration stacks 5. Reset dash when activating leap, because the only goddamn way I can confirm grab on that fucking thing is to dash directly into a target first
@somestatik4943
@somestatik4943 Күн бұрын
I love playing Wolverine. Unfortunatly, his leap is inconsistent at best, and a lot of the heroes have momement abilities that you usually cant follow if you use your abilities to initiate combat. However, when his kit works, he can quite literally rip and tear until the enemy team is done.
@desutoron1051
@desutoron1051 Сағат бұрын
"Wolverine's terrible and useless" Meanwhile me with 3 MVP games in two days of regularly playing him, one of them being 36/6/2 with a 31 kill streak
@crthunter6234
@crthunter6234 Күн бұрын
I think all he needs is wall climb and out of combat move speed, like Luna except have him run on all fours
@danielcolby7920
@danielcolby7920 Күн бұрын
Horrendous idea. By the time he runs on all fours he is dead if he is trying to escape. And it would look stupid. The game also should not be any more overly saturated with wall climbs than it already is.
@HarryPNass7
@HarryPNass7 Күн бұрын
I already mastered the Wolverine play style. Going to be scary if Rivals decides to buff him one day
@the_goatslayer7143
@the_goatslayer7143 Күн бұрын
This video is beyond satisfying!!! So happy to see Wolverine “on-role.” Also insane that all this damage info can’t be found anywhere in game
@Azovox
@Azovox Күн бұрын
I'm so glad to see you again I haven't tuned in for a while but I love the enthusiasm you have for this game and content in general🔥 fruit is back and better then ever!!!
@Davey-lm1qq
@Davey-lm1qq Күн бұрын
Give wolverine a bit faster movement to keep up and small passive healing and he'd be great
@X--pv7kz
@X--pv7kz Күн бұрын
Wolverines also a really good anti melee charcater. Black panther, magick and Iron fist all get bonus health from using their abilities or dealing damage, and that just means wolverine can deal more damage beacuse they have a larger max health value. His leap also lets him pull em off your supports if theyre getting pressured.
@pyros4333
@pyros4333 Күн бұрын
No actually all of those heroes out perform wolverine 1v1 lol
@immapotato1
@immapotato1 Күн бұрын
His damage is max HP based. extra HP doesn't count. Otherwise he'd be pretty decent even without the missing info
@X--pv7kz
@X--pv7kz Күн бұрын
@pyros4333 That's what I thought too, but honestly, it's surprisingly even. I'm not saying I'm a good Wolverine or anything, but I've played with him enough to know how to use abilities in those match ups and no lie, Magick/ Iron fist are free kills for Wolverine. Black panthers more of a toss up but still surprisingly even.
@Dew-b8b
@Dew-b8b Күн бұрын
Every other melee can run circles around wolverine and there isn't a thimg he can do
@X--pv7kz
@X--pv7kz Күн бұрын
@Dew-b8b Hey man, believe what you will I'm just saying you'd be surprised.
@charlesshepherd7521
@charlesshepherd7521 18 сағат бұрын
Going to throw out 2 random passive ideas for Wolverine. 1. gets at least partially healed by enemy heals or his target being healed. 2. Multiple targets around him or multiple damage sources need to help reduce his cooldowns. Both of these are basically intended to help address the fact that a Wolverine committing to a fight is a gamble at the start, and the fight is often determined from the start as there aren't many supports/strategists that can push in to support him once he's that deep, but plenty that can do enough to completely shut down Wolverine. He's basically up the creek without a paddle once he's committed. All it takes is for supports to peel and he has no utility to make up for his "commit" ability being so... unreliable and on a long cooldown, Wolverine doesn't have tools to outskill a unlucky committal like you have with a lot of dive heroes in Overwatch. Genji deflect, Winston Bubble/Primal, Tracer Recall, Dva Matrix, Lucio speed, heck... reaper has a escape tool that isn't essential for his engagements. Wolverine needs a fighting chance to at least get value in a disadvantageous dive, or a pocketed target. A little healing isn't enough if he can't close the distance, which requires cooldowns. He'd still have to pick his targets carefully, but... depending on how he chooses to engage, he can benefit from enemy attempts to heal, or engage in order to reduce his cooldowns. It plays into the aggressive playstyle, keeps the skill element to either disengage, or go out fighting and getting value. Let me be clear. Wolverine needs more changes than this, and I can see multiple flaws with my own ideas here, but it was a random thought I had that hopefully can contribute to the conversation a little. PS. The other idea is... just make a dive or ranged support. that can actually help him instead of just being stuck in the backline.
@Red6250
@Red6250 Күн бұрын
me now going to look on the official website to see if I'm playing anyone else completely wrong lol
@danielwilliams7562
@danielwilliams7562 Күн бұрын
It's nice seeing content creators pay attention to good, helpful comments. Looking forward to PoG gameplay in the latter parts of the vid!
@allstyle_2875
@allstyle_2875 Күн бұрын
Wolverine lives up to his name, if you know how to use him. Having a good healer will basically make you immortal, until you get greedy and spear yourself to the enemy team lol
@jaymac7349
@jaymac7349 Күн бұрын
3:12 “Iron Fist, get a job!”… I felt that! 😂 Logan as a tank buster makes complete sense. Thank you for sharing!
@XdarkxmonkX
@XdarkxmonkX Күн бұрын
In my opinion, wolverine as a vanguard is the exact opposite of what I think he needs. That's essentially just the doomfist treatment, and look how well that worked for him. I think instead they should build on the tank killer aspect, but give him some added perks. For example, at half to max rage, make it so he inflicts wounds, reducing healing on enemies with basic attacks. As it stands, healers like Jeff and Cloak and Dagger can just buff healing and then outheal the damage he does to tanks currently. It wouldn't be a bad thing to have a few heroes/villains who can trigger a form of anti heal. They should also tweak his feral leap so that he grabs first, then leaps forward with them. That way it's still a form of skill shot, but the jank hitbox isn't f'ing you harder than Iron Fist fucks supports. As a dps he isn't bad, but he just needs some tweaks and love in the right direction.
@eightskulls
@eightskulls Күн бұрын
Just couldn't escape Wolverine, haha. Cool to see you make a second video using this new information haha
@N_Phi6
@N_Phi6 Күн бұрын
Considering wolverine wasnt in any beta to my knowledge this is technically his test phase, which means hes going to be buffed right?
@SalaComMander
@SalaComMander Күн бұрын
It feels cool to watch a Mr Fruit video that I had previously watched as a stream.
@christianbedard5182
@christianbedard5182 Күн бұрын
The David Attenborough voice bot was chef's kiss
@justicebrown1077
@justicebrown1077 Күн бұрын
They key part of his kit is his dash. You can interupt it with any other ability of his. Aim up and leap, use undying animal for damage resist and you dont fall sharp- extending your distance, giving you the attack speed, and giving you damage resistance. OR you leap toward the enemy and then right click as you look at the enemy you want to attack. You magnetize to them, and get the attack speed and rage bonus, and can lock down most DPS and squishys this way. It DOES burn his cooldowns though, but you HAVE to constantly be using them to lock down kills or it just wont work. Hell, you can even leap into his ult, to catch a team a little on surprise. This is a bit of a high skill ceiling character, and all this included, I still think he could use a buff. TLDR: Shift into E for range and DR, Shift into RCL for target magnetism. Theres 2 different directions you could go to tweak him. Increase his HP, add lifesteal to all claw damage, and make him a Vanguard. This gives him huge amounts of sustain, and keeps his relative DPS low to most non-tank heroes. Other option is keep him a dualist and increase the flat damage of his claws before the % damage, and make it so that only the % damage heals him. IE, increase claw strike from minimum damage of 15 to 20 per strike, and the scaling rage damage will also siphon health into Logan. Making him a bit more sustainable, and able to hurt squishies more consistently
@flexcellence
@flexcellence Күн бұрын
Another thing I think that could be helpful to Wolverines kit would be a wall climb mechanic using his claws. Based on lore, he does this all the time in the comics. Based on character design, it would reinforce this idea of him clawing towards his enemies. Imagine wall climbing up a wall and the launching from it to kill an iron man or storm.
@balanceofjudgement4282
@balanceofjudgement4282 7 сағат бұрын
Suggestion for wolverine: Turn him into a vanguard. Leave his dmg at 15/claw and reduce %of max HP chunked from 1.5 to 1% Increase HP from 300 to 500 (still low for a vanguard, yes) Passive: Adamantium Skull > Reduce dmg from headshots by 20% Passive: Adamantium Bones> Cant take more than 33% of his max HP from any aoe damage. These two changes are meant to offset the reduced HP for a vanguard. While giving him resilience in a unique way. You also cannot get one-shot by ultimates. It adds to his team of being an annoying manlet that no matter how hard you keep trying to swat away, he just keeps coming. Passive: Permanent Regeneration > 10/s. Doesnt matter if he is attacking, taking dmg or a stroll through the corners of the map. (At first glance it doesnt seem like much, but remember that healers do exist in game. This is supposed to be a little bit of extra help. Not something that will let you facetank an entire team and keep going. Keep in mind that some heroes do 30dmg/shot, so just by staying alive for 3 seconds you'd effectively negate such a shot) Make his pounce have an aoe representation for where he will land, which can be adjusted. (This will delay the pounce by needing an extra click, but it will also give you better control. The pounce feels clunky as hell in its current iteration, making you fly awkwardly above or past the enemy most of the times) What you end up with is a tank that can play aggresively. That can close the gap reliably and also stay on target with the dash. A tank that has his own unique tanking mechanics of taking less dmg to critical areas. And very importantly, you preserve the theme of a regenerating berserker that throws himself into the fray with little regard for his own life. Wolverine dresses in yellow to take the attention of enemies away from his allies. With this kit, having headshot dmg reduction and reduced AOE dmg intake, it actually forces the enemy team to focus him with their normal attacks, effectively drawing their attention towards him.
@trishaleealphin
@trishaleealphin Күн бұрын
Life steal with wolverine would be an amazing adjustment. Him getting health based on damage dealt would promote his aggressive play style of being a dive tank buster even more
@TheGinger_Ninja
@TheGinger_Ninja Күн бұрын
Ok. After learning about the % of health things, can confirm, he's a tank buster. He needs a little support, some heals, and someone to help him secure kills, but he shreds those big hp tanks. The only thing is, if you don't get the support when you go in, it looks like you're throwing, even if you're doing the right thing.
@darksteeldemon
@darksteeldemon Күн бұрын
Also should be noted that certain characters are better at point control in closed areas and some are better for open areas on payload escort. Wolverine does really well in those close quarters areas that allow you to get that sneak attack on a tank and carry them into your team.
@gamergumilyov8579
@gamergumilyov8579 Күн бұрын
So glad Marvel Rivals is an absolute banger! I remember watching your overwatch videos, with you being the only OW KZbinr I actually watched, so I'm glad that we have another Hero Shooter that you can make videos about again!!❤
@goblin_lord2245
@goblin_lord2245 Күн бұрын
My current routine is watch a Mr. Fruit rivals video, learn the character then play that character until the next Mr. Fruit video then rinse and repeat, loving this cycle ❤
@Mori-man
@Mori-man Күн бұрын
5:13 "I think the moral of the story is bblblblblblbl"
@kingscroach
@kingscroach Күн бұрын
He's a tank destroyer and a pacer, he can drag people off the cap and also gather people up into a single point for a double ult by allies. He also has 7ms base move speed like black panther.
@Pierdylionn
@Pierdylionn 2 сағат бұрын
The thing that comes to mind with Wolverine is that he doesn't really have a healing factor. Maybe they should modify this passive ability and every time he deals damage he will heal. But it would tie into his damage percentage passive and work propotionally. The more damage he does the less he will heal. So against tanks he will deal more damage but heal less but when hitting a more squishy character he will deal less damage but heal more
@SuperDoggy99
@SuperDoggy99 Күн бұрын
Regarding Wolverine's tank-buster "identity" in-game: Do you know what a wolverine is? They're basically north American honey badgers. Bears run away from them because they're so ferocious. They're known for taking down animals many times their size. Also, what was Wolverine (the character's) first appearance? A fight against Hulk. This is why Wolverine has the tank-killer role in the game. It's what Wolverine does in the comic books. He's the one that gets thrown into the face of a giant sentinel. He's the one who doesn't back down from a fight. During the Fall of the Mutants, back in the 80s/90s, he and Sabertooth nearly killed each other. During the original Secret Wars saga, he and the Hulk were taken aside and asked to kill the Beyonder if they got an opportunity--the only two heroes who would likely be up to the task. He targets the biggest threat and takes it out.
@natkin6595
@natkin6595 Күн бұрын
I would never have known that’s how his left click worked without this
@mythmakroxymore1670
@mythmakroxymore1670 Күн бұрын
It’s actually really cool that they thought of this character early on. Now we always have an answer to stacking tanks, a meta which absolutely dominated overwatch.
@WareWolfVT
@WareWolfVT Күн бұрын
If you know a bit about comics lore, Wolverine being a tank buster makes sense, as a lot of his classical enemies are tanks, Hulk, Magneto, Venom. iirc he’s thrown down with Captain America a few times, and so on. But yeah, he definitely needs the magnetism that Iron Fist has at least.
@wilverine5557
@wilverine5557 9 сағат бұрын
Just one more fun note if you didn’t know… Wolverines ult does percent damage based on rage! So I always use it at max rage to maximize damage. It usually one shots squishies with max rage!
@louisdabest3055
@louisdabest3055 Күн бұрын
I think the best solution is to increase his base damage to 30 while lower his percentage damage to 1% of a target's max health. That way he can do more damage to dps and support, but he won't be able to just kidnap a tank and just kill the tank in one combo. Also his leap ability hitbox needs to be reworked.
@laviesta4851
@laviesta4851 8 сағат бұрын
11:27 I almost pissed myself. 14:35 just angrily screaming 'uppies'. amazing.
@bigchase8041
@bigchase8041 Күн бұрын
Been maining Wolvy last few days, one thing that seemed to help me the most was using undying animal right before I engage, it helps you tank more damage and you don’t have to use your health regen as much
@Zer0ThePlagueDoc
@Zer0ThePlagueDoc Күн бұрын
Wolverine is not a tank buster specifically. The % of dmg increase is the same across all heroes on his end, so he will melt squishies just a quickly as tanks. Use your right-click to rush an opponent, if it hits, immediately do your leap and it will hit. When leaping with Wolverine, ALWAYS bring your target back towards your team, not further into the enemy backline. Wolverine is a hunt-and-pounce ambush predator, not a brawler. He gets focused down too quickly if he is up in front because people know at max rage he hurts alot.
@bandmansantino3322
@bandmansantino3322 Күн бұрын
A hallmark sign you may not be playing wolvy right is if you have more damge done than blocked, wolvy to is a dive/flank/1v1 dps tank hybrid and assisting w an elimination or getting one takes 10 seconds off your healing factor cooldown. So i usually flank, steal a hwaler or tank depending on thw situation and guarantee the kill for my cool down, rinse and repeat. Im glad to see others enjoy thsi character as much as i do i got like 7 hours on em
@caleblecrow2207
@caleblecrow2207 Күн бұрын
Wolverine really needs that pounce connected to his right click allow him to sink his claws into peoples chests and stick to them. Maybe he attacks at half speed but can literally be glued to them until he either jumps off or gets CC'd
@StrikeFragment
@StrikeFragment Күн бұрын
The best part hey hulk uppies then wait don't throw me in there I started die laughing 😂
@immapotato1
@immapotato1 Күн бұрын
The uppies had me dying every time 😂
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 Күн бұрын
that was SO funny 😂 and instantly using his passive to not die, that was priceless
@zephwilliams3010
@zephwilliams3010 14 сағат бұрын
I was confused when I first picked up Wolverine, but I eventually realized that trick behind his damage scaling. I didn't even believe it until I hopped in-game, started to melt the health of Venom, but barely scratching someone like Magik or Mantis.
@iAmKratos01
@iAmKratos01 4 сағат бұрын
Finally someone understands what he does. I main him in comp and I always and always pull their tank to our team to kill them. I never knew about his ability but I learned that he was meant to pull people to your side to kill them
@CrashCrispyKoot
@CrashCrispyKoot 20 сағат бұрын
Bruh this just made me want to play Wolverine… I’ve been disappointed but this makes so much more sense
@sfLionheart
@sfLionheart 23 сағат бұрын
As someone who's pumped hours on hours into Wolverine, there's zero doubt in my mind that they fumbled the bag on his survivability and sticking power. He truly is a menace against tanks, but you're exactly right; his kit shouldn't be so cripplingly pigeonholed to the point he's out-DPSed by healers against the vast majority of the cast. They could give his mitigation a reset on KO and he still wouldn't be especially threatening, less so with Hela and Hawkeye being as dumb as they are. Not sure Iron Fist-style magnetism is the right call to fix anything, since that magnetism is a big reason why Iron Fist is so easy to kill in mid-high elo games with how predictable it makes his movement.
@natnorth
@natnorth 18 сағат бұрын
As a tank main i was very confused why he was getting hated on... Wrecks me so often! Nice video, explains a lot haha
@FreeCarnageYT
@FreeCarnageYT Күн бұрын
Uppies brought me such joy I can't even tell you
@FiRe1ThAtMe
@FiRe1ThAtMe Күн бұрын
So wait Wolverine is good against tanks like the hulk who he was first created to "Rival". Wolverine being comic book accurate to his original version in a game like this is weirdly satisfying
@thebareknucklebaron2529
@thebareknucklebaron2529 Күн бұрын
100 more hp and a short passive cd would go a long way on my boy
@JakeTheDawgMusicOfficial
@JakeTheDawgMusicOfficial Күн бұрын
He’s not that bad of a character just needs some more mobility imo to be completely on par with the other dps like spider man
@brhyno926
@brhyno926 Күн бұрын
My ideas for "fixing" wolverine. - his feral leap should work like Winter Soldiers ult and be able to use multiple times if you snatch somebody with it - should be able to run like Captain America and scale walls - his claws should cause slow and give life steal.
@jas3946
@jas3946 Күн бұрын
All of those ideas are awful. Hell the first one is just broken lol
@timewizardking
@timewizardking Күн бұрын
Wolverine is just a chill guy, peak vibes LOL
@Arrovoar
@Arrovoar Күн бұрын
At 8:24 that jump on Thor was clean 😂
@kunaldeo9679
@kunaldeo9679 6 сағат бұрын
Wolverine's kit works like Warwick's from league of legends minus the CC. The one thing that makes Warwick annoyingly unkillable is that he regens health faster the lower his health gets. They should do something like this to wolverine, I mean the lore literally tells us how unkillable he is.
@smattathanyou
@smattathanyou Күн бұрын
Watching Fruit get lost while diving is the true Rivals Wolverine experience
@angzamberlan9323
@angzamberlan9323 Күн бұрын
Watching the “I GOT HER” part live was hilarious!
@liamvinck8705
@liamvinck8705 22 сағат бұрын
Another recommendation, you should play always with your healers in line of sight (Also my favourite combo for wolverine is, wolverine, hulk (hulk needs to be giving the teams shields often to be played effectively.) doctor strange and ironman (since you have hulk, and doctor strange can help you close gaps with shields) also a cool thing you can do, is shield with doctor strange, and when the shield is off, hulk can shield the team with the bubble, and you kind of go back and forward. iron man is just nice pressure from a distance. and then I think the best healer duo with this team comp, is a heal comp that doesn´t require aiming and does healing while you move, my pick is mantis and adam warlorck, mostly because adam has the ability which passively heals everyone, and that combos well with hulk´s bubble, basically teh team is incentivised by grouping up, and playing together, and while you have shields and regenerating health, you´re basically unkillable and allows you to build rage fast doctor´s strange. it´s also really good, if you do the damage reduction yell of wolverine, when adam ties the team, to spread the damage, and then hulk can give you shields to help you survive, so stand near hulk and adam. and then the ult of mantis is insane, cause it heals everyone, and increses the team´s movements speed, it´s also nice cause she can apply constant heals and strengthens adam´s healing.) hulk plus strange is insane, you block so much damage together you give your healers time to heal too with the bubble also you can shoot iron man´s stuff from behing strange´s shield you have multiple layers of really good defense, and I think this team comp is better, cause it allows wolverine to get passive healing while he is diving. you´re basically unkillable while you are linked to your teammates. It´s a super strong team comp for wolverine I think.
@freddymcshreddy6586
@freddymcshreddy6586 13 сағат бұрын
Wolverine is my main and honestly I can say that right now he’s the definition of “good on paper, sloppy in execution”
@firejaw6459
@firejaw6459 15 сағат бұрын
Groot is so invincible in these clips, if I play him, he’ll somehow be made of paper.
@MrNoor113
@MrNoor113 Күн бұрын
I feel like he needs to gain health when using his abilities. Every other melee character has something that gives them blue health, but he doesnt. Also his immune to damage abilitly (his E) doesnt feel like it does anything. I still get insta melted
@kaligath6616
@kaligath6616 Күн бұрын
My word of advice is when your passive activates you get the hell out of there think of your passive as a warning sign to get you out of the combat unless you know you can win the fight the reason for this is because most of your skills rely on your rage. When your passive goes off well you lose all that rage converted into blue health so you lose all that damage but have enough health you can survive a retreat and by the time you have fully retreated and healed up your passive should be off cooldown. You must remember wolverine is not a tank he does not initiate attacks basically ask your tank to get the attention of everyone so you can dive into combat because wolverine is scary if he gets into combat but if they see him coming they will all target him due to how squishy he is.
@treytison1444
@treytison1444 Күн бұрын
Just raise his base damage slightly and tweak his healing ability. It wouldn't take much.
@roadwalker23
@roadwalker23 Күн бұрын
The shade towards the S.S. was awesome.
@simianshark6118
@simianshark6118 Күн бұрын
Hope you're doing well Fruit. Have a Merry Christmas and thanks for the great vid!
@MechaShredZilla
@MechaShredZilla 5 сағат бұрын
Damn, crazy that this info is hidden, knowing he's a Tankbuster definitely helps alot now
@Mcflirts
@Mcflirts 22 сағат бұрын
"Surely I can-" "You can't. And don't call me Shirley."
@andrescortes5562
@andrescortes5562 Күн бұрын
The missed lunge on the Witch ULT killed me haha!
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