Olympics of Rust Removal pt 1

[@anthonypirrello2473]

Mr. Pete - you are truly an amazing man as well as a great teacher. If you were my shop teacher in high school,perhaps I would have chosen to be a machinist. Your method of explaining how things work in a down to earth matter is marvelous. In addition,being a bit older then you,I love your candid remarks about the world as it once was. Bless you and keep your great videos coming. P.S. - it would be nice if your wife would appear in some of your videos,especially the ones where you "borrow" her kitchen appliances.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you VERY much!

[@grntitan1]

Congrats on your house being chosen to be the host of the 1st annual Rust Removal Olympics by the Olympic Committee.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@rufus-h4h]

Mr. Pete. I am about your age, and I have always been fascinated by machine tools. Several years ago, a friend give me a 9 inch South Bend lathe, and a few years ago, I purchased a Chinese mill-drill. Watching your wonderful videos gave me so much knowledge that I must thank you for sharing this with others. Please keep them coming!

[@mrpete222]

Wow, thanks

[@ckvasnic1]

Great show Mr Pete! Thank you for sharing your precious time and many talents! On the the next episode!

[@davidflower3396]

This molasses usage keeps reminding me of when I spent two summers working in Gretna, Louisiana 45 years ago. The shop I worked in was about 1/2 mile from the Briar Rabbit Molasses factory. The Zatarains Cajun spice factory was across the street. When the wind was blowing just right....I will never forget. Not to mention every car in the parking lot was sticky. Drove through there last month, noticed the molasses factory is long gone.

[@lexboegen]

I've used three of those methods in the past: electrolysis with washing soda, molasses and water, and Evaporust. I have two Harbor Freight ultrasonic cleaners, and the method I like the most for small items is to put then in one ultrasonic cleaner with a mixture of the purple formula of Simple Green and water (to clean any oil and dirt off), then rinse and move it to the second ultrasonic cleaner with straight Evaporust in it. Like the other two methods, Evaporust won't remove good metal--just rust. Molasses is slow, but it's great for large items because it's so cheap and non-destructive. I've seen videos where auto restorers put large body panels in a plastic swimming pool with gallons of molasses and water to remove rust. Also, I don't throw Evaporust away after using it. I filter it (coffee filters) and reuse it until it is too slow (which means it's exhausted.)

[@mrmatt2525able]

i wish i had you as a shop teacher, learn good stuff from you all the time, thanks for the videos, been watching for years (since the aluminum sand casting videos came out)

[@mrpete222]

Thank you for watching.

[@mikedrop4421]

The "Solo Cup" is an invention because it's actually a graduated measuring device. The lines on the cup are actually for alcohol. The bottom line is a 1oz shot the middle denotes 8oz for a serving of wine and the top measures 12oz for beer.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@tshusker]

I know these videos are 2 yrs old, but I've really enjoyed watching your coverage of electrolysis! I've been a vinegar man up to this point, but you're convincing me to switch over! But I have to tell you, it's painful to watch your use of your "sacrificial wrenches." I am fan (my wife says "obsessed") with old, vintage wrenches from Plomb, Vlchek, J.H. Williams, Millers Falls, Shapleigh Diamond Edge, etc. What I would give to go through your collection of old tools. Ha! Thanks again for these videos and the guidance you've given through the years in these videos!

[@jpoutsch1]

You are the best! I truly enjoy watching your programs.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you VERY much

[@materialsguy2002]

I find this fascinating, thanks for running all these tests.

[@andrewwilson8317]

Most of those methods work just fine but my preferred method is soda blasting. Bicarbonate of soda clears it away perfect and leaves a rust resistant surface that lasts some months indoors a a few weeks outdoors. I used phosphoric acid prior to settling on soda blasting. Great videos sir.

[@aceroadholder2185]

Soda blasting works a treat on pot metal castings like carburetors. It leaves the surface in an as-new condition and won't damage colored chromate coatings. The other advantage is that a rinse with water will dissolve any soda in the carburetor passages. Other blasting media often damages the soft metal. A length of plastic hose for a soda pick-up and an air nozzle with a long snout make a good blaster. Do it out side and use a dust mask or you'll be sneezing baking soda for an hour.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much

[@dvcnfo4601]

"You use on your belly button when you have a rash." Well played sir!

[@johnstrange6799]

I'm interested in the results of the citric acid. Thanks for conducting the proceedings.

[@normanthompson4729]

I believe the tool with the square D is a shunt , keep up the great vids Thank you

[@theropesofrenovation]

Those wrenches on the electrolysis experiment clanging together would make a good chime. lol. Sounded nice banging together.

[@SidecarBob]

Washing soda may be available in every grocery store where you live but not here in Ontario. When I tried Electrolysis I had to use baking soda; It worked somewhat slower and I had to keep my anode a lot cleaner than yours or it would stop working but it not only removed the rust but the chrome plating too!!! I have since found some washing soda but haven't needed to de-rust anything since I got it. BTW: Evap-o-Rust is pronounced like "evaporate". I use it for small items and have left nuts & bolts in it fir over a week without harming them.

[@ronalddavis]

Everything considered including cost and time I like the vinegar method

[@nalinux]

I tried all methods. Citric acid acts about the same as vinegar, it's cheap too, and goes way faster. You can find citric acid in the stores "Make your own wine". I paid 2.60 $ CAD for 250 grammes, and diluted in 1 or 2 liters of water.

[@tedsykora1858]

notice what a nice door chime or wind chime you could make with a set of various sized wrenches. your video had a nice example with the four dangling wrenches at the start of thee video. surprised there was no comment about that at that point

[@tedsykora1858]

I was impressed with molasses but I think a person would need to consider if they will live long enough to get to use the tool

[@mrpete222]

true

[@aceroadholder2185]

Where I've seen people use this method is for large castings like machine frames or steam tractor chassis. If you had to wait 3 months, you'd have plenty to keep you busy while you waited. I've read though that you'd want to do this well away from your house.

[@tedsykora1858]

Sounding more and more reasonable in some cases. You are right that there would be plenty to keep one busy while waiting.

[@umajunkcollector]

or perhaps a xylophone or glockenspeil

[@Daledavispratt]

A bit off-topic, but you have given me an idea for an "old-wrench" wind chime...inspiration comes from everywhere! :-)

[@HALOman-vi2tg]

dale pratt I know! It sounded pretty cool

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much

[@Daledavispratt]

Thank YOU sir, for the inspiration..will make a neat video!

[@MrBucidart]

Lyle, Let the 2017 Olympics of rust removal begin. Nice stuff..

[@mrpete222]

Thank you VERY much

[@bkailua1224]

Thanks for saving me the time to test out some of these. I like the phosphoric acid because it leaves behind a black rust reducing layer of iron phosphate on the steel after you wash with water and actually helps if you leave it on the steel and do not wire wheel it off. I can hear the national anthem playing for the Gold medal going to mrpete222 in the rust removal Olympics :)

[@6h471]

B Kailua I like phosphoric acid too. It has to be used in temps of 70f or higher to be effective though, which is sometimes a problem. Coke contains phosphoric acid, but a minute amount of it, not really enough to be effective. I've used the acid to unstick old stuck tractor engines and had good luck. Any type of penetrating oil in those cases is usually just a waste of time, as no oil will dissolve rust.

[@thespiritof76..]

what about trying the molasses with electrolysis

[@roscocsa]

I love the display of elbow grease. I've been trying to trade hens teeth and blinker fluid for some for years.

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

Wish they still made elbow grease; employees today never seem to have any with them. I suppose it was outlawed by the EPA.

[@stefantrethan]

Well there is no more EPA now, so I wonder what the new excuse will be.

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

Sadly, hasn't been shut down yet.

[@stefantrethan]

With Pruitt in charge it might as well be. Oh no wait, he's only going to bend the rules for his rich oil and coal buddies and fuck over the little guy, as Republicans have done every single time. I guess you got duped then, the question is only when you wise up to it.

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

Not to worry, wisdom comes with age, you'll grow up little guy, just be patient.

[@sunaJH]

Thanks for some great information, my question is, if you do electrolysis on SS how do you deal with the waste?

[@jcknives4162]

I've been using the electrolysis method for years and love it but never have good results when I hang more than one item to be de-rusted. I"m hoping your technique works but hope to see how what you do is different from what I do to make it work.

[@rsanford2787]

The molasses ratio in the note you showed was 2 parts to 8 parts water. That seams to be a ratio of 1:4 NOT 1:8 as show on your mixed container of molasses and water. - enjoy your videos

[@rogeroconnor5182]

thank you for taking the time to make your videos,i just recently picked up a 109 craftsman lathe and am just learning how to use it. i guess in metal shop i shouldve used the lathe instead of learning to weld,lol

[@mrpete222]

Good luck with the new lathe

[@terrinewman7390]

looks like fuse puller? or fuse box safety lock? for when some is working on a circuit?

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much

[@MrRatkilr]

I was thinking fuse puller also. Looks like plastic handle to keep you from getting zapped.

[@sneakysnake109]

Great video. Noticed that you mixed up the molasses much weaker than the note you showed suggested. You did 8 to 1. He suggested 2 to 1. Did you do that for a reason. Would the stronger solution he recommended have sped up the process?

[@1musicsearcher]

The competition is world class. The Olympics in Illinois? I missed that on the news.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks-lol

[@joeestes531]

Awesome video mr pete! Thanks for sharing!

[@springwoodcottage4248]

Fabulous! In my rust removal with molasses (called treacle in the U.K.) I also find black deposits on steel, so I believe it is some aspect of the treatment. It would also be interesting to compare methods to keep rust at bay. I have tried mineral oil (paraffin in U.K.), wd40, shellac & then beeswax, lacquer & recently I having been using Renaissance wax (product used in museums for armour, weapons etc, available Amazon et al.) So far the renaissance wax for my model traction engine seems the best, lacquer ok if part not subject to mechanical trauma, but the oils need regular reapplication & otherwise fail unless the part is in a sealed bag. Also thinking of using desiccants around steel models with colour indicator for when need to be heated for re-use.

[@Mr_Feyshade]

The black residue could be rust converted back into iron. Years ago I saw beet molasses (livestock feed, not cookies) used for rust removal. The claim was that their commercial product made from beet molasses converted rust back into iron.

[@shedasaurus]

I was always told to use stock feed grade Molasses as it has more of the active elements in, you need to suspend the item as anything at the bottom will not be affected as it sits in the gunk. 10:1 is fine anything stronger than 8:1 will blacken the metal.

[@bestfriendhank1424]

There are high voltage power line poles that are made out of that steel that has the rust patina

[@dan27052]

The wrenches in the first test would make good whether chimes.

[@yambo59]

I don't know if you realize it or not mr. Pete, but you've become a bit of a rock star in the machinist community-lol I say this because you have spent decades in your craft and there are still many who appreciate someone who has done that, and also I saw where youre going to visit Abom79 down in florida, and he is really looking forward to it. I am guessing he feels a similar respect as for his father and grandfather who were both machinists and for him I think you carry a very similar weight and respect. Not many these days stay the course in the same vocation long enough to become as learned, proficient and now somewhat revered as those like yourself-lol. Too bad it used to be the norm and now is fast becoming the exception. I know im spreading it on a bit thick here, but damn it you've spent your life earning it so now you must live with the fame-LOL

[@mrpete222]

Thank you VERY much!

[@USMC-Sniper-0137]

White vinegar is all I will use, proceeded with a great water bath and blow dry afterwords.... I get minimal flash rust. Take all the time you wish until it's trying time. Blow dry quickly and lay in the hot sun or near a heater or wood stove.. Wrap if possible in a newspaper until use.

[@brandontscheschlog]

Great video. I've been using Krusteaz Krud Kutter and POR15 Metal Prep to remove rust from sockets, wrenches, chisels and an old but still good tap and die set. It works very well in about 12 hours but you need to make sure the tools are submerged or else they get a black scale on them that just makes more work for yourself. I find the best part about these two products is they leave a zinc phosphate coating which will prevent rust and leaves a somewhat shiny dull silver finish. Just to be safe I then apply Starrett M1 which is a lubricant and rust preventative. Have you done any videos on rust preventative coatings? I ask because the Starrett M1 can be a little pricey and I'm wondering if do you have found anything to work just as good. Brownells did a test of rust preventatives and found Starrett M1 to be second best to Boeshield T-9 made by Boeing. Again pricey.

[@shexdensmore]

when it comes to acids, heat acts as a catalyst. effectively increasing it's strength. 💪

[@jamesakenhead8858]

Thanks from a fellow shop teacher

[@rickwebb3172]

Could that chisel be a railroad spike that someone repurposed?

[@stefantrethan]

Unlikely that they would mark every spike, and they are not that hard, but I had the same thought.

[@BeetleJuice1980]

dear sir , thank you for this marathon ! i dont understand why some tools never get rusty but the tools WE clean with electrolysis do rust after some time.. do you think they use some treatment to the upper layer? a spray maybe? a special mix with the iron when they forge them?

[@BeetleJuice1980]

there is another branded liquid with the name "rust converter" , its white like milk and in my country we find it by the brand wurth. it converts the rust to a blue color and it makes something like a film to prevent it from rusting again. its little expensive though. some guys say its like phosphoric acid (like in coca cola) .

[@rkstew]

I have found that when using vinegar (acetic acid) if it is heated to just below boiling, the rust removal is accelerated lots... make sure to wear safety goggles, wear gloves and do this outside.

[@messenger8279]

If you leave Evaporust for a week or two in a tray it reduces down to a thick black liquid that looks like Molasses.

[@kevCarrico]

oh yeah!!! been waiting for this!! THANK YOU!!!

[@martineastburn3679]

If you have tools in a wood shed or barn - roof and walls leak and rain. Often times estate sales in farming areas turn up all sorts.

[@JimmiePorterAtStuartArts]

This is way better than the real olympics and no evidence of cheating.

[@absolutetuber]

i'm watching the olympics now!!!!

[@slaznum1]

Awesome!!! Thank for this olympics

[@HillbillyRednecking]

Alum (used for pickling cucumbers) can be mixed with water and be used to dissolve iron or steel out of an aluminum hole, eg. use alum to remove a broke off steel bolt in a aluminum intake manifold, take care old timer!

[@dizzolve]

@MrPete222 - how would you refurbish rusty chain?

[@richardclapp9875]

That square d gadget pushes a a tab out to install a split breaker, not used anymore

[@nalinux]

Soda or Washing Soda doesn't really care. The goal is just that water can conduct electricity. You can use anything lye based. I even use just salt sometimes :)

[@attilarivera]

Here in brasil.a battery charger costs around U$50,00 to 90,00

[@mrpete222]

Wow

[@tomnwoo]

Thats a "Lock off" device for padlocking a circuit breaker in the off position,

[@fredgittins4494]

Liked your rust removal just a point use oxalic acid on aluminium gives a brilliant finishOxalic acid is found in rhubarb leaves boiled many a motor bike pot comes out pristine.

[@idadho]

Warm or hot water works best because for every 10 degrees C you raise the temp, you double the speed of the reaction.

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much

[@debvoz]

Just wanted to mention that those aren't chisels was a railroad spikes that's why it says Baltimore and Ohio on it designed to be driven into the ground

[@SkengManNZ]

those spanner chimes are amazing. 9:47

[@mrpete222]

🤙

[@treasurehuntingscotlandmud9340]

Awesome! Good video! Thanks for sharing. ATB to you GL&HH

[@PaulSteMarie]

You mention eating citric acid-the super sour candies, such as Sour Patch Kids, are dusted with citric acid. That will picker your mouth! You'll see it referred to as "sour salt" when used in cooking as a substitute for lemon juice. Unlike lemon juice, it stays tart even after cooking.

[@drbenmccullough2608]

it looks like a round fuse puller. ..don't see them much

[@georgemosley6790]

....do not use string...or rawhide. Too funny. Thanks for your videos Pete!

[@mrpete222]

👍

[@bradsmith2386]

Evapo-Rust worked very well on my motorcycle gas tank.

[@bradsmith2386]

Did you get you Molasses cookies? They are the best!

[@pauldevey8628]

Very useful video.

[@MrDfbwa]

The instructions you showed from a viewer concerning the molasses showed that you should use 2 parts of molasses to 8 parts of water, whereas you are using 1 part molasses to 8 parts water. That could be a reason why your previous experiment was not as successful as perhaps it could have been with the solution being 1/2 strength.

[@pikadroo]

Oh yeah... who else wants to make a wrench wind chime now? That was the best sound I have ever heard! =D I WANT ONE! XD

[@roncooke2188]

Who's John Hancock?

[@bestbuildpc]

Thanks for sharing. Your voice is amazing. U sound really american!!

[@mrpete222]

Thank you very much

[@elmarqo_3448]

I'm gonna say its a fuse puller

[@SuperAWaC]

You had to buy those rusty wrenches? I figured those would just have been a drop from the bucket of your tool collection ;)

[@roncooke2188]

Great interesting video i like it ( a guy in China would have no doubt have made 50 in the same time) Ron

[@robertroszell3972]

It is a Lock out key

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

Another safe, enviro-friendly disposal method is Smoky the cat. :)

[@eddiekawecki2510]

Square D item looks like it is for a safety Lock-Out Tag- Out.

[@HemiRod23]

I agree. That was my first thought.

[@terrinewman7390]

me too!

[@henrikniehaus]

I have no idea, but I would use it as a bottle opener :D

[@Retroweld]

Great tips

[@darkerbinding6933]

Those USA forged wrenches would sell on eBay ;)

[@kevinwillis9126]

Thanks for sharing sir...

[@nalinux]

One important thing is that there must be no grease on the parts !

[@darkerbinding6933]

FWIW, Hydrogen gas is much lighter than air and rises very quickly away from your process. Be reasonably careful, yes. But, unless you capture the gas (a container upside down to catch it as it rises, you are likely to have a hard time igniting it.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@thespiritof76..]

maybe 1 out of 10 of those shoe boxes go to children as a gift.. most of the products find their self in inner city down scrouge ally

[@marcchavez6658]

This fellow sounds just like Jack Brickhouse (Chicago Cubs Announcer 1948-1981).

[@kellyanfld68]

LOL... I love the Kroger’s brand frozen yogurt. Sorry to go off topic !

[@mrpete222]

Yes

[@EgadsNo]

Looks like a fuse puller to me.

[@pir869]

Henry VIII (King Henry the eight) had a flag ship ,called "mary rose",it was sunk,and refound ,in plyoumouth harbour,buried on the sea bed,during the uncover and subsequent restoration,parts of the ship made from iron were saved from ruin by the electrolosis method,ornate parts that would have lost much detail by mechanical or chemical cleaning,apparently ,material can be replaced via the sacrificial anode,with a proper bond,something about giving back metal ions lost in the oxidisation process. Though phosforic acid could be mixed with a little citric acid,i have not mixed these two acids before,so care should be used,though i have mixed citric acid powder with pcb etchant ferric chloride,and i have used a used branded rust removers,for my Triumph spitfire restoration now being assembled,so i have also read the warnings which say "contains phosforic acid",sometimes makers blend the stuff to work faster and also leave a zink phosphate coating on a micro etched surface for painting. The fast de-rust or etch is where the citric acid comes in. When a PCB,printed circuit board ,is made ,they can be machanicaly etched or chemicaly etched.Ferric chloride dissolves copper,zinc which alloy to "brass",steel,iron, it can etch stainless steel and aluminium,probably more. The etchant will either be sprayed against the copper clad board with a proofed material masking copper where circuit tracks will be,or submerged in a tank with an air pump feeding a bottom tube areator pipe. The spray or bubbles in each scenario clear residue from the surface of the board to reveal fresh copper to be etched away,this material is called "SMUT",in my own "bubble etch" tank,i have a mix called "the Edinburgh etchant",it was created for lithography,to help "speed up" the etching process,the citric acid is used as a "de-smut",and will etch in warm (not hot)solution ,very well . Good for parts that have hard to reach areas ,and need to be agitated frequently ,as the no smut ,no movement will create a cloud of gunk to form around the part being cleaned and takes much longer ,so seeing as most people wont have a vibrating table or proper spray/or pump application methods,the de-smut is i can assure save a lot of stress and use less of the elbow grease,just as long as none of the grease is on the part ,because elctrolyte nor acid will break surface oils down to work properly,brake cleaner or any hard surface de-greaser,use the same type of metal to hang the anode and the parts being cleaned,you dont want two types of metal in the mix,the thing may stop working ,and new solution(electrolyte)will be need,and a total scrub to clean the tank. You could clean the spanners drill a hole each end,nickel plate them ,then hang them as wind chimes,or not.

[@mrpete222]

Thanks--that is excellent info.

[@nissearkevid1995]

Lyle! I see you have a link to your home page and the PayPal button in the description. Why not try Patreon like many of my other favorite machining/project channels use? Monthly subscriptions to my favorite channels that go to both Patreon exclusive content and help funding the videos over all. Many thanks from Sweden!

[@mrpete222]

Good idea--but this is working fairly well

[@davidpierucci9000]

Are you a traveling man?

[@12345NoNamesLeft]

No, he's not a mason

[@davidpierucci9000]

an artificer of brass and other metals

[@dimitrioslykissas7981]

12345NoNamesLeft Not that there's anything wrong with being a freemason, but this is fast becoming a regular source of hillarity in MrPete's videos.

[@bestfriendhank1424]

I didn’t see a comparison test using a placebo 🤣

[@HillbillyRednecking]

I think the solo guy had more to do with the manufacturing process of the cup

[@jeffreyhalpern5718]

fuse puller

[@Jimmyzb36]

You would be a great neighbor!

[@mrpete222]

Thanks

[@machia-mw1lm]

Rust is actually a very slow burn .

[@Bronco541]

I'd watch a whole 20 minute video of you just reading labels XD

[@mrpete222]

That's funny

[@MrGoosePit]

This is gonna be great.....!

[@mrpete222]

Thank you VERY much

[@raabsand]

Its hilarious that evaporust is made in Arizona. They have the least problem with rust haha

[@rickdees251]

"Naval Jelly" lol ;-)

[@chasmosaurus3]

You're thinking of navel jelly not naval jelly.

[@MrUbiquitousTech]

I see the melon-head is up already this morning...

[@anlord154]

mrPete222 you make a good troll. Vivat!

[@CJBoehlert]

Lock out Tag out !

[@mrpete222]

Thanks for watching.