The Brutal Truth About Honkai: Star Rail Powercreep

[@mrpokkee]

Edit: HOLY ONLY 25% DISLIKES YALL LOVE ME TOO MUCH a lot of pressed people trying to say I am misrepresenting or just being racist towards me. Me saying "HSR has a powercreep problem", followed by comma with whatever condition it is, changes nothing about the original statement which is: smart players wont have a problem with powercreep, only greed and stupidity, which is the point im up for discussion, can there be more than just the greed and stupidity factor that makes powercreep a problem? my point has never been whether powercreep exists if they took 5 seconds to read, and thats not on me to teach them how to read. the same greedy and stupid people will want to shift the blame onto anyone but themselves for a bricked account when in reality, they could've prevented that in the first place. they want me to acknowledge the powercreep is a problem for EVERYONE, and its not their fault that they did not make the right choice. I’m sorry for calling people stupid :( The point still stands, and I’d love for anyone to try and change my mind still. I will try to reply every single comment here that brought up a good discussion point 🙏

[@vladys001]

12:30 from a non-native English speaker to a non-native English speaker: If you add 'if only' into a sentence, the whole sentence means the opposite. Example: your message about powercreep would have meant that you are agreeing that powercreep exists, if only you haven't used "if only" in the sentence. Two separate sentences would make correct impression... unless you were going to create the drama in the first place.

[@mrpokkee]

@@vladys001the only difference it would make is including the acknowledgment of powercreep when the tweet is addressing whether powercreep is a problem. This goes back to people getting offended and trying to find excuses if powecreep is a problem or not for their account. It makes them feel better if I explicitly state my acknowledgment that powecreep is very real in HSR, doesn’t change my original point at all.

[@denis441166]

Hey we love you pokke. Keep up the content! Most of us just feel like you need a short break that's all.

[@kitanat9944]

Can't change your mind if you're determined not to have your mind changed. People who say stuff like this are only looking to argue and prove their point and, therefore, superiority. You have some decent points about responsibility, but it's draped in "trolling" and elitism. Being condescending towards people you disagree with naturally fosters toxicity both inside your community and out. Just don't complain when it festers. A community has a toxicity problem only if you allow it to happen, either by greed or stupidity.

[@Pastelskuls]

The 'powercreep only is a thing if you let it happen' is silly to say when you bring up the casual player base not pulling for meta units, I feel like a casual should be able to clear moc 12 without having to pull for meta units, saying letting it happen is just a really sweaty unrelatable(to like 90% of the player base) to say

[@Mr_wisk]

bro said i don't want war in 2025 and starts the year with this ...

[@ashiqprio2485]

Mr. Neutral at its peak

[@sct77]

Not the same as the tribaIism wars from Wuwa and Genshin.

[@mrpyrostorm3165]

"To make peace, you must have war" ~ an Eastern CC at some point.

[@Mortreed]

its more of a "bad take" war than gacha tribalism war

[@maccheesed689]

“I KNEW HE WAS CAPPIN, WAR IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS” ~Tectone

[@misanthrope16166]

As we enter 2025... a new Emanator of Drama was born. MrPokke, who borrows some of his power from the Aeon of Drama, Tectone, was given permission to start this war. Let's see what the new Emanator of Drama, MrPokke, has in store for us going forward.

[@Zolwiol]

Hey now. Iyo's power of aggro can't be underestimated in forming Pokke

[@LordStrell]

@@ZolwiolThe great tilt and throw of 2024 is told in legends today.

[@theaegislash8249]

@@Zolwiol Iyo is the emanator of Glue

[@Zolwiol]

@@theaegislash8249 Holds the community together, yes.

[@seaberrysvideodump9602]

Tectone (as insufferable as he is) is a smart person and knows what the real issues are (he’s still annoying and you can not like him as a person and respect him) and he knows when drama is warranted. Hense him being the aeon. Pokke is like the annihilation gang. Nanook does not claim those hoes

[@ParhamGlv]

I think you should make a f2p account in the upcoming 3.0 update. Plan your pulls and build the archetypes you think benefit the account more for different endgames and be a smarter player in general. I think doing this will give you and most of the community a different perspective around powercreep and hp inflation. and you can discuss the problem with endgame content and the mindset a smart f2p or even a low spender should have when 4.0 starts. It also a good content in general. (People love f2p content in general)

[@dav6580]

this would actually be really interesting yeah

[@edusmh7695]

F2P god arc

[@virrre]

Powercreep literally benefits new player the most of all. There is a GIGANTIC amount of free pulls in the permanent content. If you only pull new units and consider synergies, your account will likely be superior to the day 1 waifu chasers with suboptimal teams within 6 months.

[@lricus]

It's called Project Rat Race, the account is already on its way.

[@spaceglidinmio2388]

I think you haven't seen people who make ZERO PULLS account Why isn't it their problem then?

[@ordoor]

The only way to win is not to play at all, and thus powercreep is no longer a problem.

[@NiaTheMilkTank]

Nah the true way is to not care about power creep especially if the majority of characters can clear Keyword is Clear not Zero Cycling My dotcheron with no eidolons in the whole team still goes brrrrrrrr

[@Biocdon]

real

[@Biocdon]

@@NiaTheMilkTank 10 cycle clear after suddenly its 11 and you go brrrr

[@NiaTheMilkTank]

​@@Biocdonoh I feel that 😂 it's 5 cycle clearing consistently but man is it painful sometimes when I have a somewhat f2p Feixiao team that can 3-4 cycle without robin or Sunday and e2 FF comp that can 1-2 cycle all the time 😂 The powercreep is real especially for DoTs and saying it doesn't exist is disingenuous and out of touch frfr

[@silentfeekz2163]

As for now I only play to enjoy the story. I have lost hope in metaverse wise. I want to drop but still love the story so keep up just for it

[@Sir_Twiggens]

I watched this whole video. Pokke acknowledges that power creep is an issue. but my dude literally spent the whole time making statements and arguments on how the player can mitigate power creep, but manages to avoid making a single suggestion on how the devs can reduce (or fix) power creep. Players can mitigate the problem, but mitigating is all us players can do. we should be talking about what the devs can do to fix this issue. Both you and I love this game. So, let's turn our constructive criticism toward the game so we can try and make this game better.

[@xelasneko]

Yes, even though power creep happens, we can critize the execution. Currently, I am sure the focus of the power creep problem is on HP inflation of the enemies.

[@mrpokkee]

yes valid.

[@Zagreus248]

That’s a fair point but Pokke was never actually saying power creep is fine in the first place. All he was saying is that people did this to themselves by impulsive pulling and not investing smartly

[@kennethyoung7457]

The devs can easily fix the issue but they are not so this is how they intend the game to be. If they can think of all these qol features to improve player experience they could have easily just not turned up the enemy hp every patch so might as well talk about what the player can do instead which is something that we can actually change now.

[@Poppipower]

@@Sir_Twiggens It’s not feasible. Hoyo needs to make exactly enough content to make players feel like they don’t have enough. They need to make things extremely, extremely hard if you don’t have the characters on the current banner. If you’re able to relatively easily clear content while not pulling for the current character, then the time and money they spent on designing this character is wasted. They’re a business. It’s their job as the business to invest in ways to take the players’ money, and it’s our job as players to mitigate power creep. Power creep is a good thing. If you could keep clearing all the content with your day 1 Seele team, why bother pulling for anyone else?

[@nk30020]

Leave my multi-billion dollar game alone ahh video

[@achilles-_-9808]

13:18 No, pokke, "allow it to happen" is not the key word here: "only if" is. While I don't doubt your intention was to invite discussion and not incite war/drama, your wording when sending out your take was...abysmal, at best. **no duh** the reception to this tweet was so much worse than intended. Saying "only if" places the issue of power creep fully on the player, none on the company, which, regardless of whether its true or not (i agree w the point you were TRYING to make btw, but it then raises further issues, but thats not the point of this comment), was obviously going to cause a stir when said in such an accusatory way as the way you phrased it. If you present your point in such a provocative way online, you shouldn't be surprised when you receive aggression in return. You can't claim to be done with war/drama and then, ON THE SAME DAY, post a hot take in one of the most aggressive and abrasive way conjurable. Words have weight, especially coming from you as a content creator. Be more mindful of your wording next time. If you want truly fruitful discussion, you should strive to present your point in a genuinely, ACTUALLY, neutral way. Fail to understand the weight of your words and you'll end up having to deal with another situation like this.

[@karurosuazo]

Agree. His intentions didn’t connect with what the tweet was meant to be, because of the “only if”. That statement is not neutral, Mr. Neutral. And especially not a peace loving tweet, Mr. Peace Lover.

[@Glast04]

Well said.

[@Balakin2]

Yeah I was going to say a similar thing. "Powercreep exists *only if* skill issue" is logically identical to "Powercreep does not exist *unless* skill issue". This is fundamentally an incorrect statement.

[@planetary-rendez-vous]

Pokke failed grammar school. I can't believe such "simple" quiproquo triggered everyone. He would have failed if he had to write a coherent essay in school as well 💀

[@vladys001]

@@planetary-rendez-vous Engslish IS hard

[@Glast04]

Alright, Pokke, I enjoy your content, but bad behavior is bad behavior. 13:25 - So you misrepresented your opinion in an intentionally abrasive manner and are surprised Pikachu when people take issue with it? You can’t just backwalk and say “How dare you interpret my message exactly as it was written?” Your statement wasn’t “HSR has a powercreep problem.” It was “HSR has a powercreep problem only if…” To take a page out of your book and give you an English lecture, that is the equivalent of saying “HSR doesn’t have a powercreep problem, unless..” So yes, people are not wrong for thinking you were saying the game doesn’t have powercreep. You just didn’t articulate your thoughts well and are trying to dance around it rather than take accountability. 16:05 - Humans have the concepts of respect and decency. People get offended when you say offensive things, this is nothing new. If I called you stupid and greedy, whether in person or online, would you take it offensively? Standing on a high horse and acting like you know so much better than others while you look down on them is not a good look. You worded your opinion badly and offensively, and people got offended. That is your doing, not because everyone was just feeling a little too sensitive that day. 27:56 - Do you not see how it is contradictory to say that the priority is to have fun, yet you call others greedy idiots for not playing in a specific way, or for not pulling Robin or whatever the new “must pull” character is? The likely rebuttal is “You can’t be surprised when you pull whatever and can’t clear hurr durr”, but why are you assuming that having fun and being able to clear are mutually exclusive? I also think that you have a somewhat skewed and likely inaccurate understanding of what the “average player” actually wants and cares/doesn’t care about, and are often speaking on this assumed “average player” inaccurately. Besides these, I don’t think you say anything egregious or necessarily wrong. You just need to work on presenting your takes in a less abrasive manner. No one wants to listen to someone who is looking down on them and being insulting.

[@proteincannon]

The way people read the statement would be as follows "Powercreeps doesn't exist. You're just stupid" Then he wonders why people are mad? lol

[@mrpokkee]

i did not misrepresent my opinion, the opinion has always been the same, its just phrased provocatively which illicted twittard responses. people that hold a normal ground for discussion, i have civily replied to. my entire point isnt about saying if powercreep exists in hsr, its about whether its a problem for you. i take accountability for being provocative, i will not take accountability for people saying my point is misrepresented. yeap, valid, also addressed within the first 10 mins. nope, it is not, because people can have fun in their own ways. casuals will play the game no matter if they 3 2 or even 1 star endgame because that is not their priority for enjoyement. meta players will play the game to minmax and get full clear, some even 0 cycles. the problem is the group of people that are both casual and want to be meta, maximum effort with minimal rewards, which is also the same group of people getting upset at me right now.

[@spaceglidinmio2388]

If you roll for whatever then you have to accept the fact that you wont be able to clear the endgame easily. That is the literal common sense. Have you ever heard the term "jack of all trades, master of none"? This situation is literally the same If you have a limited jade pool, you gonna have to decide which team to invest in; similar to if you have a limited time pool, you gonna have to choose which trade to master. You just CANNOT pull for 1 unit from 10 different teams without any of their support and expect yourself to be able to clear end game easily That's the definition of greed and stupidity. Greed, as you expect your choices to have 0 consequences. Every choices have consequences. You want to roll for every unit you want and still able to clear endgame without using a brain, that's greed Stupidity, as you expect a GACHA GAME, which is INHERENTLY PREDATORY to enable to pull without a brain

[@RavenShugo]

@@spaceglidinmio2388 I agree with gacha being predatory scam, but I have to correct you on " you gonna have to decide which team to invest in" - with hoyo's changing rules and meta, your invested team will be useless soon enough, so it doesn't matter if you gonna be a master in 1 path, if hoyo changes everything and then you are jack again. (say Hi to DoT teams)

[@shwamp33]

@@RavenShugoyour comment just proves you either didnt watch the video, or weren’t listening. because your “it’s useless to invest in old teams because the new ones are stronger” point was, in fact, addressed

[@itsdakingofkings2550]

Something I haven’t seen a lot of people talk about is the rate of power creep. Yes power creep exists in every gacha game. Yes you can do things to make it less of a problem for you personally. But is constant hiking of damage numbers on characters (and thus raising HP of bosses) fun? No, not at all. The “power creep problem” isn’t just that damage and heath are going up but at the rate it’s propagating. It’s like the Swarm, just growing and growing with no sign of stopping. It’s tiring and just not a lot of fun. Especially when the solution is “just pull this new support that makes you do 10x more damage”. I think the gap between meta and fun doesn’t need to be this wide chasm. Lastly, it feels bad when the character you liked is only good for a few months, meta or not. This is more of a 1.0-2.0 problem but I would hate to see characters like my Boothill or Acheron kick the bucket in a few months just because the game accelerated too much

[@BuiltSimilarG]

Not sure if I have a shill take but all 1.X characters clear with pretty average builds at least into early 2.X and all 2.X characters will likely clear up to early 3.X. I mean, that’s more than just a few months, isn’t it? That’s outright nearly a year or more. I personally have had all the time to enjoy the characters I pulled at least and I’m personally fine with moving the meta along now. If you vertically invest, they might last a while longer which is an option if you really like them, but I haven’t felt it’s been awful. Just my opinion, no hate

[@itsdakingofkings2550]

@@BuiltSimilarG this is a fair take. I did start playing like a few weeks before 2.0 dropping so my view is a little bit skewed. I’ve recently started being able to full clear end game content so I’ve been feeling the most brunt of the changes in damage and HP. That’s just context. I definitely think the rate of meta cycling is manageable and if thats fun for you, then no hate. However, I just don’t think it’s all that fun or healthy for the game in general. As many people have said, team base games can easily be decided before the fight even starts. So the fun part of these games is the team building I assume. I think that giving a person more options to how they can build these teams is a lot of where the fun comes from. Like making decisions and finding unique synergies to overcome certain obstacles. In Star Rail though, if older characters just get cycled out of the meta at this rapid pace, the pool of choices will always just feel small. It also doesn’t feel good when Hoyo just releases overturned characters as “solutions” to team building problems, basically making that part of the team building irrelevant. Sorry if this was super long but I feel like the real “issue” here just isn’t being talked about (and why I personally think that Pokke’s tweet wasn’t good at starting the right conversation)

[@BuiltSimilarG]

@@itsdakingofkings2550 I would agree, nobody gets hurt if they just didn’t have powercreep or it was slower, and I do agree that having to put actual thought into teams would be a lot more fun. Im f2p, started in 1.0 so for sure I’m at an advantage, but stopped playing until the topaz banner in 1.4. I personally didn’t feel anything bad until the 2.5 MoC with Hoolay where I finally saw things getting bad. Old characters aren’t completely out tbh, Acheron is missing a second nihility, a better FUA (Robin doesn’t FUA herself/Topaz isn’t a huge boost over M8) or Break buffer (Ruan Mei has half her kit not help a break team) can always come out, they use relics and planars to help older characters sometimes. I mean the only point I’d truly disagree with is that putting aside pulls for one support in endgame just to clear is that bad or tiring, you still get to play with who you want and if you do miss someone you can pull them on a rerun. Sucks for those who have a life and can’t play often (I do take a few days off sometimes weeks myself seems fine tho). I agree with everything and what you described would be a better game but I’m yapping for discussion on specific details at this point lol Honestly that aside, I misunderstood your initial comment and I really appreciate how respectful you were about that. I thought you meant the characters would be unusable but you meant they wouldn’t feel good to use. That is 100% true. Not defending the game at all they should fix it I only meant to say it was manageable and you already knew that so my bad.

[@itsdakingofkings2550]

@@BuiltSimilarG nah you’re good. There’s a lot going on so I can see where you would get that mixed up. I think what I would’ve wanted to see from everyone here is to define what the “power creep problem” is. Like half the time when people are debating it, it feels like it’s just them trying to define their stance and realizing they more or less agree. I also think this problem generally ties into a lot of the other issues people have with the game like lack of new 4 stars. My guess for what most people are feeling here is that they just don’t like having their options made less viable at such a quick rate (like the boiling frog analogy if you know it). The overall conversation in the community here (in my eyes) has just been handled extremely poorly but hey, that’s the gacha space for you haha…

[@eckology016]

There is definitely a balance to doing it, and maybe HSR is a bit over the line, but barely. Because you saw the other end of the problem in Genshin when the 1.0 4 stars were all still top meta characters years into the game's release. I remember when I didn't pull for Yae Miko, who was my favorite character in the game before Furina, because it was pointless to get barely a sidegrade to a character I had E6 with perfect relics from day 1 in Fischl. You need power creep to some extent or you'll get bored, because there's not much depth to these games day to day besides characters. No one wants to hear Xiangling's voicelines for 4 straight years.

[@luxky7k]

I took a long break after losing 50/50 to Jingyun during 1.0. Medical stuff. Came back when Dr. Ratio was given out for free (I think it was the last/second to last patch before he went away, but don't quote me) Played for a week and then stopped. My only 2 limited dps were Seele and Dr. Ratio. No limited supports and sustains. My account was bricked. Instead of restarting (This was during the Yunli/HuoHuo rerun banner), I knew that pulling for more dps was not going to work, because why have new dps with no support for them. So, I decided to focus on working on powering up my other dps (Seele and Dr. Ratio). I pulled E1S1 Robin for Follow up/hypercarry. I pulled E0S1 Sunday for Hypercarry. Huohuo on rerun for hyper carry. Aventurine on rerun for follow up. Used Moze, tingyun, and hunt7 with the two. Now I can beat MoC11, AS 3, and PF (I build Herta and Serval while also having Clara for this). My 2 teams are the following. Dr. Ratio / Moze / Robin / Aventurine Seele or Clara, Sunday (When I got him) or Hunt7 (When no Sunday and Bronya was too SP greedy), Tingyun, Huohuo No, I didn’t have Gallagher lol. Before, I couldn't do anything for the end game. But that was basically 11 pulls I missed per patch (which is not true because I was able to beat at least ½ of each endgame content back when picking the account back up). Now look, I can pull for dps and have the supports to back them up: The Herta (and possibly get Agelea if we actually get around 100 pulls for 3.0). My 2 teams are going to most likely be the following. 1) The Herta / Herta or Serval / RMC or Robin \ Huohuo 2) Agelea / Sunday / RMC or Robin / Aventurine. Woah, I have almost "meta" teams now. I had to skip Firefly even though she made me cry. Super Break WAS NOT going to happen. Same with Boothill. I didn't get tempted into following the cycle of pulling for the "new team" back then. For me, a returning player, Ruan Mei was a new team for me, so I didn’t pull her. Probably a mistake, but I don’t know. Didn’t pull Lingsha because I had 2 sustains, even though she’ll be amazing for follow up. I believe your video answers the question of why I stopped playing. I stopped twice because I didn’t have the “meta” units, even though I loved the game. I fell into the cycle. But once I understood what I was doing and knew what to do to fix it, not only was I having more fun, but I could beat the endgame content.

[@mrpokkee]

yippee

[@narrrrr6805]

@@luxky7k Quite similar situation in my account, i also came back in 1.6. The different thing is i not pull for anyone back in 1.1 so i took Ruan mei and Blade( i think this is a mistake) as my main team, get sparkle for 2nd team. I pull again for acheron and go all in with e0s1, try e2 but pity go so high, lucky with aven again (10 pull and win), trying getting robin but lose to yanqing, and pull firefly to make break team with ruan mei and HMC. 1st team is HMC/Firefly/Ruan Mei/Galager and 2nd team is acheron/sparkle/jiaoqiu/aventurine. That 2 team never change since jiao qiu released. I clear everything, the hardest one so far is last MOC taking 6 cycle anything before that is only 3 cycle. When acheron released, i already could clear everything except for PF (my herta not builded yet, and i don't have himeko). Pull Robin in rerun because i like her (not being used though), and pull sunday for investment in summon.

[@baybayuwuw1715]

HOLY essaying

[@RecapSphere-z8j]

Tectone about to farm 5 more vids on this and make a gachacast on the spot calling every cc

[@finn9020]

7:45 - 8:02 Pokke, the entire statement is read as a Conditional Statement; that is why people say you think there is no power creep. We are going back to grammar school here. If you place a period after "problem", "HSR has a powercreep problem", then people actually get what you are saying. Now add in that Conditional Statement, the "only if" part. I will rearrange the Conditional Statement to make my point clearer to why readers think that you said there is no power creep. "Only if you allow [powercreep] to happen, either by greedy or stupidity, HSR has a powercreep problem." The statement you said turns into a Conditional Statement, which made people interpret the statement a different way. I will edit this comment as a watch the video so stay tuned. (Edit 1: Loads of paragraphs added here. Sadly I am a slow analyzer; the first 20 minutes of the video took me 4 hours of rewrites and trying to understand this video, so here is what I got so far) Ok I want to take on the biggest issue with this video. You never explain WHY powercreep is a problem in HSR (or atleast focus on one). Sure viewers can interpret why powercreep is a problem, but viewers can have different opinions on why powercreep is bad. my reason to why powercreep is bad in general (I do not play HSR anymore during 2.4, so I cannot say how truly bad HSR powercreep is) is because power creep forces players to use meta characters instead the way they want. Now some readers that see my reason can have a similar thoughts to mine, but also they might not . A viewer might see powercreep as a problem because their characters are not powerful anymore and are abandoned and now they wasted money. My reason and this reason are two entirely different reasons. You can connect the similarities of each reason, but they are still two different reasons, two different arguments, and two different debates to have. So why do I, myself, me. Have to interpret your idea. If HSR has a powercreep problem, say directly why you think that HSR has a powercreep problem and focus on that reason throughout the video. Your main reason of this video can be called the thesis in academic writing, or the main idea. So repeat your thesis of your video. I get that this video is a cut version of your stream, but the need of a thesis is important. The thesis does two things: the viewers are on the same level of thinking as you are; resulting in less misinterpretations of your thoughts, and you do not go off topic as often, or at least, switch ideas as often. 13:09-13:36 Do not use "it" here. Even being in an English college, I even misinterpreted your idea; my mistake is in my first paragraph above. So the "it" in the statement is the "problem of powercreep" which is even more vague. "Only if you allow [the problem of powercreep] to happen, either by greedy or stupidity, HSR has a powercreep problem." You do not say what the problem is, or at least one of the main problems. Make sure you explain what the "problem of powercreep" is, but also explain why that problem is important to talk about. The "problem of powercreep" is.... This problem is important to talk about because... The format is how you create a two sentence thesis which makes your main idea clear and your motive/passion behind your idea (the lack of "why?" creates a feeling of gacha drama). There is a section of the video titled "Greed". Until the end of the section, I have no idea what is the main idea of this section.The reason why I do not know why the "Greed" section is important is because I still have no idea what is the "problem of powercreep" and only the last 5 minutes is where you connect greed to the problem of powercreep. In the beginning of this section, you discuss your twitter comment, no main idea there. You switch ideas from the "problem of powercreep" to "powercreep" in itself abruptly. Let me explain why I think you switch ideas here. Your twitter statement is that HSR powercreep results in problems. Now you are talking how powercreep is common, powercreep itself. Which argument are you doing here. The effects and results of powercreep, like forcing players to play meta, or the problem of powercreep itself, newer characters being too powerful, hp inflation, older characters not getting any power boosts, etc. These are two different problems; do these problems form into one or are separate? You then talk about the problems of your twitter comment being provoking, no main idea here, also I'll talk about the rephrasing of your twitter comment later on. And now 16:29 is where you say the main point starts (3 minutes into the section) where you talk until 17:47 about how characters are designed to look good for marketing and people wanting that character. 17:47 - 20:13 You throw me off here switching the focus of discussion. You talk about how Gacha games are predatory then about the player base who strive for meta or good looking characters by being greedy. From then on, you finally make your point understandable to me. People who only pull for looks, struggle with team building and building characters individually. You still do not directly connect to why pulling for good looking characters results in the "problem of powercreep". Viewers can intuitively think why, but their intuition might be different to yours so make the connection clear. I would reverse the order of ideas you have said. Start with what is the "problem of powercreep", explain what is greed in a gacha game, which is pulling for character for looks and/or meta, and finally connect how being greedy creates the "problem of powercreep". 15:17-15:23 Pokke suggests a rephrasing of his twitter comment. "HSR powercreep is fine, if you are smart." Firstly let me rearrange this statement, "If you are smart, HSR powercreep is fine". Less provoking, but there are still topics that are too vague. What is being "smart", this word is too general. I am going to interpret "smart" to be 'if you pull for the right characters... '. So rephrasing this statement, "If you pull for the right characters, HSR powercreep is fine." Then there is the problem of "HSR powercreep is fine". What is the definition of powercreep being "fine" mean, and how does being "pulling for the right characters" make powercreep "fine"? There is still the problem of having to explain your comment, but at least the twitter post is less provoking (unless you consider the Pokke replying to comments in a super negative and non-discussive way that is said in Tectone's video).

[@ashiqprio2485]

Bro is now giving mr.chokke school lessons 😂. But yeah the fact that even the fellow hoyoshills also misunderstood his point and went against him shows that pokke just worded it very poorly

[@whirligig12]

'Only if you are greedy or dumb is there a powercreep problem' is another way to put it. He's not saying there's no powercreep, he's saying there's no powercreep PROBLEM if ur smart.

[@Imsayingtin]

something like "honkai star rail has a powercreep problem. but only if you allow to happen, either by greed or stupidity" would that work as well?

[@Zog64]

​​​@@whirligig12 you worded it similar to pokke. How about this: "HSR has powercreep. It's only a problem if you are either greedy or stupid."

[@Glast04]

@@Imsayingtin Honestly the "allowing it to happen" is also stupid. It should be "Honkai star rail has a powercreep problem that is worsened if a player pulls greedily or ignorantly." It is not hard to word the idea in a way that is clearer and more direct without being abrasive.

[@fianilhampratama2313]

as a casual player, not chasing meta is not big deal in HSR despite being not able to clear all endgame content. Casual player just want to enjoy the game by collecting or playing the character they want even getting the character in rerun banner and then main story

[@blazeman2419]

In other words not play the game in the videoGAME.

[@fianilhampratama2313]

@blazeman2419 not their focus on reaching hardcore of gameplay, we still play the game in casual way, so no need to always chase the meta team

[@elstrangeenemy887]

Almost like the people complaining are in fact not entirely casual and thus are concerned about the power creep, insane right.

[@shrimpp_311]

​@@blazeman2419 no, should be not playing the extra/harder game mode the game has. He played the game but in easy mode. Saying not play the game a bit too much. In my opinion.

[@GodofGoblins]

@@blazeman2419 Did you know people play Pokemon for different reasons? Some play to become champion and etc, some only play competitive, some only collect shinies, some fill out pokedex, some dont care at all about the dex, etc. Use your brain buddy. People play games for many reasons. Dont get me started on Lore masters in games like this or Destiny or etc.

[@Lol-Lol0]

Did blud just NEGATIVE EDGE all over the whole community? HOLY CINEMA 1 and half an hour!

[@InmateOmighty]

He swapped on by back until I swapbacked

[@Lol-Lol0]

@InmateOmighty basically blud did the quick swap combo with IYO on the whole community? Holy! That's a totally difficult tech. If he were to make a mistake he could KARA CANCELLING himself instead

[@Calbee-m5u]

MrPokke just did a reverse IYO move where his tweet is short and dogshit while IYO tweet is long but saying nothing. 🤣

[@GodofGoblins]

What I find kinda cringe about some of these creators is there attempt to speak for f2ps and low spenders, when they themselves spend cash on the game. They have to; they are content creators. But then they don't truly understand the f2p experience. They can only go off of there tight bubble communities. Plenty of f2p struggle, yes. And plenty of f2p (like myself) are big chillin. We are fine. We love these triple re-run banners, we have self control, etc. Some of those CC's need to stop trying to speak for us.

[@barettoarts]

That's exactly what the Egg was doing when he constantly bashing about Genshin under the pretense of "helping F2Ps and low spenders".

[@JohnMa-t3n]

IF spenders like the CC you mentioned are feeling the powercreep, what more for the real F2P players?

[@GodofGoblins]

@JohnMa-t3n never said people don't feel power creep. There is indeed power creep. It is indeed getting harder. Nobody denying that. What I am saying, is people are making poor decisions with there investments, that ain't the games fault. That's on the player. And people prove all the time as f2p/low spenders. Invest and plan smart, and you are fine.

[@kiana4237]

​@@barettoartsbro never helped lmfao bro kept on flexing and pushing you to meta.

[@kiana4237]

​@@JohnMa-t3n me? Never felt it just brute forced the new MoC with one of the most outed teams by abusing rng but can't clear PF but that's life isn't it lmao?

[@chokeolatte]

Skipping a last endgame node (MoC 12, PF 4, AS 4) loses you way less jades than pulling for the current meta DPS you don't care about...

[@QueenMarika1101]

this is really accurate . why spent tons of jades just to get a character that you dont like just to get additional 80 jades every 42 days .

[@chokeolatte]

270 pulls saved rn btw and I don't even try clearing MoC12 and AS4. I can easily get any character I want as long as I keep maintaining a minimum hoard. I haven't even finished exploring btw and I have never done a single companion quest. All I just do is dailies. 😂 Going for Robin this time. Never pulled for any Erudition asides fron Argenti. Never pulled for the High Cloud Quintet. Already have 2 limited sustains (Aventurine and Fu Xuan). My only eidolons are RuanMei E1 and Boothill E1. My only signature LCs are JQ's, BH's, and Sunday's. I have so little units that building relics is a literal hobby. 168 out of combat spd Boothill, two Sunday builds (160spd/134spd), 160spd bronya, 160 spd Ruan Mei (On Cogs so ult has 100% uptime) & 160 spd Pela.

[@spaceglidinmio2388]

Which he also addressed in the video This changes nothing

[@chokeolatte]

@@spaceglidinmio2388 Yeah, I'm agreeing with him. I'm just reiterating it in my wordfs cause it's the point I resonate with the most.

[@ensnear2951]

Just try to get 2 stars for PF 4 and AS 4, so you're only missing out on 80 jades instead of 240

[@lumithor9828]

Powercreep is to be expected in any gacha, and players should prepare for it. But I think you are deffinitely underplaying the speed at which the powerscalling of new units is happening in hsr. Mihoyo has handled powercreep quite well in Genshin and now hsr is way out of whack compared to that. And its not just dps powercreep, look at what happened to Sparkle, just within 2.x patch cycle... Hopefully this is just a unique phase for the game and the powercreep curve will flaten over time, but if not, it will not feel nice even for players who do save up and optimize their pulls and strategize about their resource allocation in general. That being said, the filthy casuals with 0 pulling strategy, who just go for whatever banner is up and then cry about not being able to full clear, do get on my nerves.

[@RipFinnick]

it is insanely unrealistic to ask someone to spend all their jades on 2 teams with their best in slot support and investing in them, because the point of the game is to collect characters that you find fun and interesting, and being if all you do is focusing on investing in supports for a character like seele, then you end up not focusing on you seele, but on your e2 supports. Also, it is not a players fault for wanting to play the characters that they like. It isn't greedy at all, because the point of the game is to play your favorite characters. And it isn't like you can know exactly what is going to happen in the future either: like how is it the player's fault if we had no idea that acheron was 2 times as strong as Jingliu because no leaks came out on her until 2.0, and because we had no idea who was even going to be next. Calling players bad and greedy for wanting to play their favorite characters is insane, and because their is little to no way that we can "play smarter other than get good luck on our relic rolls and actual enemy attacks. I have been playing for over a year, and I have great artifacts on all of my characters, and i can still barely clear with my favorite teams. It isnt like zenless or wuwa where we can learn perfect rotations and combos to increase our damage by 3x. And speed tuning isn't the players problem either. Speed tuning is entirely luck dependent, because of relic rng.

[@lumithor9828]

@@RipFinnick Agree with all that; Mr Poke is deffinitely out of line with calling people stupid/greedy for not "countering" the powercreep perfectly, thats kinda nuts. But to be fair, there are plenty of people who play the game hyper casually with no strategy arround building their account strenght and they are often the loudest when it comes to not being able to clear and their idea of end game is that a random mish-mash of four 4-star chars with purple relics should full clear no problem. That would kinda ruin the game too, at least for me. I am guessing thats what he was trying to say in short. But yeah, like I said, the powercreep curve in hsr is way too high right now and it certainly doesnt feel very good knowing your top tier dps could, you just pulled, could be obsolete within 6 months. Thats not good for long term health of the game, especially since Mihoyo doesnt do any direct buffs once chars are released.

[@kennithbob]

There is a lot to talk about in regard to powercreep. I think it can be very predatory, what with mihoyo pushing sales for the strongest, latest, and greatest. I agree that HSR's powercreep rate is "way out of whack" and think there should be some sort of actual legal law (yes, irl law, just like some places have on loot crates) of just how much powercreep should be allowed. I also agree that casuals with 0 pulling strategy, expecting to clear everything can be annoying.

[@sovyenn]

@@RipFinnick collecting characters that you find fun and interesting is not the point of the game, you just want it to be but that does not mean it is

[@Mast3rOfTimeAndSpace]

I agree with what you're saying about if a player plans and pulls smart, they'll have a less hard time with powercreep. However, you're basically telling some people that they aren't allowed to freely pull who they want AND clear end game content. It's one or the other. You preach about having fun and having fun should be your #1 priority, but then proceed to explain how F2P players/low spenders should tunnel vision to 2 teams and vertically invest in them, essentially locking yourself down to a small cast of characters. If you ask me and I think many others would agree, that doesn't sound too fun. If this was the advice to give F2P players/low spenders coming into the game who want to enjoy many characters and clear content, I'd rather them not play the game, it's not worth your time. It's a team game, I get it. Characters have their synergies and work well with other specific characters. A player should not be allowed to clear end content with a team like Firefly, Dr. Ratio, DHIL, and Hook. At the same time, if your vision where the player has to focus on select units and get their necessary eidolons and LCs to combat powercreep is the extent a player has to go to in order to clear content as a F2P/low spender, the game is seriously messed up.

[@sanaswift3154]

this is literally for anyone who want to 30 star every endgames, if you're pulling for your dick and not for meta that's your problem.

[@RavenL1337]

@@sanaswift3154so you refuse to admit that the game sucks arse and still blame other for not sacrificjg bloody FUN IN A VIDEO GAME! GTFO you HSR shill

[@GameThu0888]

I'm a F2P and casual player since day 1. I pulled whoever i like. I dont read guides. I can only 2-star MoC, PF, AS. But i'm having fun playing the game. F**k the meta. F**k powercrept. Haha.

[@NotMalok]

It's not about being forced to choose one or the other... He's just saying that if you DID choose fun over meta, then dont surprise pikachu face when the powercreep becomes a massive problem

[@Tunnelsnakes]

Future character kits should just be designed better, so that no matter who you pick, they can always work well with their respective metas of the time they are released. There can also be a system, like what GFL2 does, where they can revisit older characters and give them an enhancement attachment that gives them new mechanics to bring them back up to speed with newer metas, and then Hoyo can just run rerun banners for them at the same time, which would give them even more money during the rerun banners, while at the same time, letting the people who have pulled them before know that their pulls have been respected.

[@84350Z]

Hi~ tourist here, just having a quick look... mhmmhmm... drama, very good, yes. Mhmhm thank you, bye.

[@spice2688]

The problem I have with your viewpoint Pokke is that you seem to miss the greater point. You are putting the onus on the player for pulling the wrong units, when the powercreep issue is an intentionally developer created problem that is worse in HSR than other games. We all know gacha is predatory, but Star Rail's flavor of it is particularly unfun to deal with. The HP inflation, hyper specific MOC/PF/AP buffs, specific element combos of enemies, all these tactics are not fun to engage with. It's not fun to be pigeonholed into only ever picking meta units, because otherwise your teams are going to perform like shit. It's not fun for a unit you pulled and invested time into to be almost entirely useless within the year. It's not fun when the devs completely abandon archetypes or characters like DOT or Blade. That's what I would like to focus on, is fun factor. Yes there are a lot of people in your replies arguing they can't clear F2P or whatever, you obviously can. Regardless, the way things are balanced right now is just not fun to many people. I'll even use Greedmaxxing Genshin as an example. In Genshin, it's pretty frequent to see new units providing new opportunities to old units. A great example is Barbara in Nilou bloom. Before Nilou, and before Dendro, she was effectively useless. Now, due to the way she applies Hydro, she is arguably as good as Kokomi in that team. You would be very hard pressed to find a unit in Genshin that is dead weight or truly feels like you can't find a team they can perform decently well in. This gives you much more freedom to strike a balance between meta pulls and fun pulls. (Putting aside the insanely dog shit 5.3 banner). I'd like to add, it's not that HSR is incapable of doing this. We've seen it even as recently as Fugue, taking a unit like Himeko and Rappa to completely new levels. We should see more kits like that, and less "lol this DPS now has a bigger multiplier than the last one". I understand they are different genres of games, but the pace of powercreep in HSR is just proportionally way more insane than it is in any of the other big gachas like ZZZ, Genshin, and Wuwa. HSR is currently DOUBLING the pace of the HP creep in Genshin's abyss. We are currently at the same average HP in MOC as Genshin has in it's Abyss right now. After a year and a half. Genshin took 4 years to get to the point its at. The pace of the powercreep in HSR is a lot more unfun to deal with in comparison to these other games. That's the main point. Your units become shitty faster, and they very rarely get supports to help them in the modern meta. It's an extra layer of predatory behavior in a game, and genre, that is already rife with it. Using the word 'greed' to describe the players who are actively being punished by extra greedy business practices within an already greedy genre, might be one of the most cringe things I have seen you say. By blaming the player, instead of pointing your finger at the devs, you are actively defending a practice that is making the game less enjoyable for many people. That's my main issue with what you said, that's the point Teccy was getting at in his video, and it's why a lot of people got pissed at you. You are blaming people for something that isn't even their fault, and by proxy, defending a system that sucks.

[@fiyibomiolabode]

exactly

[@JimJimmy-hb9pc]

he's not defending the system tho? he literally told people the system are bad and keep telling people which best characters to pull (for now) but people still being dumb and blames the system. you can't brute force the casino, because the house always win. if you gamble all in red and then blames the system, you're just being dumb. he talks bad about hsr more than saintontas talk about wuwa "the greatest gacha game"

[@spice2688]

​@@JimJimmy-hb9pc He is blaming the players for being affected by the house rigging the system. That is actively defending the 'casino' because you aren't blaming them for setting up the shitty system in the first place. I'd like to add it's not that I don't blame people for making bad puling decisions and then complaining they can't clear. That's their fault, but the bigger point is that situation would not even EXIST in the first place if the Star Rail team did not create it.

[@vvverne]

Exactly this

[@lewsee5562]

@@JimJimmy-hb9pc "you can't brute force the casino, because the house always win." The only way for the "gamblers" to win is to just quit. If you hate the direction the game's going, vote with your wallets and your playtime.

[@RoxasMatheson]

The irony of saying everyone else's reading comprehension is bad, when he himself phrased his tweet so poorly is astonishing.

[@emeraldsone]

Well he is the streamer. He is always right. It's crazy to think that Pokke's ego has waayy surpassed even Tectone's lmao

[@jahh-z3j]

fr like bro's ego is way off the charts

[@Vicitive69]

Punctuation is important pokke lule

[@mrpokkee]

it changes nothing

[@jahh-z3j]

@@mrpokkee lol

[@ryose1802]

whoever created that intro clearly deserves a raise

[@ragehack-fv1fp]

1.5 hr of dawei diksuking is insane

[@whirligig12]

I haven't watched the video yet but I think the issue is that a lot of 1.x characters have fundamental flaws in their kits that hold them back in current content, whereas a lot of 2.x characters don't have this problem, so the jump from the 1.x to 2.x characters seems like big powercreep. Look at Jing Yuan, he was good at release but quickly fell off a cliff until Sunday came out and fixed Lightning Lord, a fundamental issue with his kit. I think as more characters are released it won't seem as bad, I only wish they made a few more competitive 4 star options going forward like Moze and Gallagher.

[@seaberrysvideodump9602]

Sunday doesn’t fix him because it still doesn’t fix his fundamental flaw. It was never the backloading it was how he’s basically a one trick pony. Just like jingliu, dhil, seeele, and blade albeit they never got their own Sunday to give them the illusion of being fixed.

[@Biocdon]

Not even the flaws or useless passives/traces, the worst is their skill/ult multipliers are trash, so much that a pixel perfect Blade will never out damage a Shit built Fei, so yeah very fun and friendly, not even talking about Eidolon efficiency and yet again most of the new characters have the best multipliers for eidolon damage as well.

[@seaberrysvideodump9602]

@ honestly the reason fei, jade, Acheron, and topaz are good have nothing to do with their self buffs or multipliers but how their gimmick can be further optimized or optimize others

[@zeldric99]

The power creep problem is also partly due to the community, they often complain and doompost about every new character that isn’t T0.

[@boo5860]

"if you're playing a gacha game you are not Him" COOKED LMFAO

[@degenxayah]

wow, good thing that he told us that he was done with drama and wars. otherwise he would have started this video off challenging the entire HSR cc sphere to debate him on powercreep lol

[@maxwsy96]

"Power creep in HSR only becomes a problem if you let it happen, whether due to greed or stupidity" might prevent misunderstandings?

[@yubalt]

pokke just did the big brain play of aoe-taunting the HSR community then proceeding to say "if you dont want to lose, watch me more". LMAO

[@FifthHorsemanTV]

"My bad, I poorly worded my tweet and I made blanket statements I should not have". Its literally this easy. When you get to a certain age in life you learn that its not a big deal to make a correction and move on. You will earn alot of peoples respect going down this path vs the prideful double-down.

[@Ajokehere]

I never would of thought we would get Red-Pill HSR content in 2025 but Here We Are ig

[@ShinigamiNTW]

Literally this wouldn't be any kind of issue if people were okay with missing out on 80 jades during rotations they didn't have the teams for. Pull your faves. Pull for characters that help your faves. Patch up gaps when you can and things will be a lot easier.

[@ShinigamiNTW]

I'm genuinely curious about the sort of teams that people are running for this to be the current sticking point, because I've been seeing people clear the current MOC with characters like Jingliu and _Xueyi._

[@Devika2545]

​@@ShinigamiNTWBuild issues are also prevalent. Much more than you'd think. An easy way to know this is by just looking at some players builds from the strangers tag. I once saw an E2S1 Firefly with barely 180% break effect outside battle with the 60% added from the lightcone. Like how is that possible? You get 160 with 0 substats on Firefly.

[@mrpokkee]

this

[@kennithbob]

Yeah, what annoys me is when I tell people I can't clear endgame things, they say 'skill issue' and give a laundry list of excuses supporting Hoyo, but when they have a problem and complain endlessly, suddenly things should change? To me, it's peoples' selfish attitudes that annoy me more than powercreep. (not saying power creep doesn't exist).

[@not_mar_fr]

as someone who has been playing crk since almost launch and recently picked up hsr (I'd like to make a comparison since they're both team based games with a pve aspect). I have to add that whilst power creep exists in hsr it's far less noticeable to ME. Let me cook. In crk every single patch the old unit gets out of the meta the legit do not survive more than 2-3 patches and that's stretching it. Hsr has a balance whilst yes there is a power creep you can still clear all endgame content with older units (with a few good investments). In crk the moment a unit falls out of the meta they're DONE (unless the devs buff them and EVEN THEN their revive is short lived) no matter new supports or sustanes no matter if there's new end game content. Hsr devs saw the fact that ereduition was dead and created pf. Truthfully people who only invest in dps and don't pull suports in a TEAM COMP game annoy me (also the ppl who complain about power creep and then are begging for pvp but that's another story). Either way you can't expect one unit in a team of 4 to pull all the weight. In summary I hate it when players complain when their new and shiny dps can clear content faster like duh? It's a game they want money ofc the newest character would be op if they weren't it would put them out of business. But if you look at those same players accounts you'll see half built characters half built teams and they have like one or two characters of every archetype without building any of them or getting their supports. Whether we like it or not hsr as of rn only needs 2 teams at most 3 across all endgame WHY ARE YOU PULLING FOR A NEW DPS WHICH IS IN A DIFFERENT NICHE WHEN YOU ALREADY HAVE A HALF ASSED FOLLOW UP TEAM A SHIT HYPER CARRY COMP AND AN ASS BREAK TEAM you don't need aglaea or the herta you need robin lingsha ruan mei and huohuo. And even dumber are the players pulling aglaea without Sunday. (holy yap fest ik)

[@cyphertongue]

Editor did a great job with this

[@sovyenn]

Truth be told hsr would be boring without powercreep progressing as it is. There's only so much you can do in a turn based game and the fact that endgame is imo constantly challenging is a good thing. If you pull the newest unit this time it's a breeze but if you decide to skip you have to actually use your brain and play into the mechanics with older characters which is imo incredibly fun and satisfying

[@Disty_033]

Regarding greed and the character pool. Hsr is my first gacha game, and when I was told how gacha works, I accepted the fact that I need to choose who to get. Since 1.4, I have been closing all content to the maximum. I don't have Robin, but I invested in other teams that I play, and they still work. I clear the 12th floor with Blade in 3 cycles. Simple planning and investing in what you play will help you close everything calmly. And yes, I am F2P.

[@doughnaught8284]

TLDR: Bro agrees that powercreep exists. But intentionally made a misleading statement to farm responses.

[@mrpokkee]

its not misleading, its provocative.

[@The6617]

@@mrpokkee nice get those engagements up!

[@deviant315l6]

Not misleading just ur interpretation.

[@doughnaught8284]

@ if people misinterpret your words, then it’s because the statement is confusing. If you are deliberately making your statement confusing, then it is misleading. This sort of stuff gets used as clickbait, or media headlines for engagement. Guidemakers often would implement visuals and craft their words so that they are understood. This is so that people will not have a wrong interpretation of their words.

[@sct77]

@@doughnaught8284 It's not confusing, players are just too sensitive over powercreep so they misrepresented what he said because they're way too emotional.

[@kriant2808]

1:02:31 Yeah that's true, but they all have alternatives. In 3.0 what alternatives do we have for memosprite meta? do we have 4 star remembrance? All we have is RMC. The problem here is the Devs didn't give us a 4 star alternatives like back in the day.

[@hoanganphan5627]

but Remembrance is a path, u dont need em. Like u need a dps, you choose one they can be hunt, eru, destruction. A support could be harmony or Nilhility. But i do agree HSR need more 4 stars

[@kriant2808]

@hoanganphan5627 the buff of endgame tho. If i remember, they only gave buffs only for the memosprite. Character summon excluded too. Unlike FuA or break buffs which have more diversity.

[@narrrrr6805]

i mean, you don't have to play remembrance after all. you just don't have the buff that was in current end game, it was harder to clear, but 10 cycles with 2 builded team, can clear easily. if you don't have strong enough team to clear MOC 12 (like your damage simply not enough) just clear 11 and wait. it's not worth to pull a char for 60 jades

[@hoanganphan5627]

@@kriant2808 yeah, but if you have a well built team you can still clear the content tho, 4-5 cycles is still a clear

[@fuumaruu7486]

​@@kriant2808 energy Regen is for everyone 💀, That Memosprite action advance won't be even that big because Garmentmaker is not the majority of the damage in Aglaea's kit (LEAKERS) while Mem barely does damage.

[@spenky]

It`s always funny when gacha games have no content and CCs force manufactured drama trying to pump up those dwindling views.

[@kennithbob]

I believe powercreep is a very real thing in gacha games. I also think powercreep, to some degree, has been around since the beginning. It is a common method companies use to try to sell new units (correct me if I'm wrong). My question to everyone and anyone is: When does powercreep in a gacha game become a true problem?

[@zexionsaix9494]

Returner's POV: NGL the issue feels more real when you are returner, I came back to the game like two weeks ago and my Seele is now benched due to hp inflation etc, she cant consistently procs her passive after unable to kill the mobs. I stop playing during initial Jing Yuan banner in 1.1 I believe. Pulled for FF with cheap team cost of Gallagher and HMC and I just put Asta in flex slot for some spd boost and potential break bounce on her skill to act as my break team to hopefully carry me in low-mid difficulty content because of weakness implant is still valuable as it is the core mechanic of the game since launch. It seems new dps nowadays has innate weakness implant/ignore toughness which I think really offer a flexibility for beginners and returners to kinda brute force the earlier stages of the game. Feixiao is FUA dps but still has toughness ignore and Acheron which is for DoT team also offer something similar in her ult. It seems that these mechanics are not specifically for break dps but rather universal for dps. With a lot of the TB power needed to build a decent useable team alone going to take me awhile(im looking at you relics and traces mats) and to build another team for end game is going to make me miss a considerable amounts of premium currencies for the current rotation. There are speculations/worries that even with weakness implant, there might be toughness lock boss that will screw my break team and the meta tends to favor the more recent units not to mention the crazy amount of hp. The same goes for FUA, there might be mobs that will get buffed after getting attack etc. Really tempted to get Mydei but the kit seems to favor healers for sustainer and the archetype might change as well which will lead to costly team building as well potentially. The cycle will keeps repeating and it is hard to clear the end game consistently with free units alone. Contrary to the early stage of the game where everyone can do "no pull" clear. If I lose 50/50 then it will be more heartbreaking damnit. For older players that play since launch then they already built a considerable amount of units and have flexible roster already and can still manage the fast paced change in meta and needs to only plans their pull whether they want to expand/upgrade their current team archetype or branching into another ones this will apply to the "plan your pulls" statement after all this game is turn based which emphasize more on team building, but for newbies and returners, goddamn it is hard to cope. Hopefully Hoyo will treat my acc as bot and I will win the 500k stellar jades lol. If I create another acc, I will be able to focus on a certain archetype and build a decent two teams faster due to having prior knowledge and better resources management while also having a set objectives in mind, but I cant bear to go clicking through the story and past events for the second time. The newbie experiences is still lacking imo, not only the new account will miss free Dr Ratio, it tooks quite a while to clear main story content, and you cant skip long dialogues even for less important quests and events, having to constantly catch up to meta is kinda overwhelming for casual and f2p. It will be fine if they are not able to 3 stars everything but if at some point the daily f2p cant even clear mandatory stages for jades then it will be a problem. We are lucky that there is no pvp in this game but at the same time the meta is still used as a metric to be able to clear the end game content which offer the premium currencies to pull another units and keep the cycle in loop. Hopefully everyone will remember to save for Fate collab because they are the truly limited ones. They might be good enough to break the game and still be in the top tier unit longer due to the collab might be one-time thing. One more thing, hope you guys will have good luck in pulling whoever you want and not losing to 50/50.

[@odinson4184]

Nah firefly was definitely not the move 💀 . You definitely fell into the categories described in this video. Take it from a new player who started in 2.4. I got her back then and didn’t know you have to run Ruan Mei with her. The damage without her is genuinely abysmal and you will regret spending the stamina building FF. And your Seele will do perfectly fine to carry early late game. Your justification is that she helps with early late game but you didn’t need that at all since you have Seele. This was definitely not a good decision, I mean you still clear if you actually invest into her teams later but you’re buying into old meta when new patch cycle begins…

[@zexionsaix9494]

@odinson4184 it's fine, ruan mei did enable her to deal more dmg specifically for break team yeah but FF is self sufficient enough and that is what I consider valueable. My point here is regarding weakness implant versatility, to be able to bring main dps for every event, story content without worrying about weakness type is a good thing. I dont really aim to pump more dmg and resources into break team currently. It is like the arguement which Fugue is the replacement for HMC, why would I do that when I can just use HMC, the premium choices is when I really commit for that certain archetype. There is a differences between decent in every scenario and best in certain archetype. Im aiming for the former rn that is why Im getting FF, break is still core mechanic even without pumping into super break dmg mechanic to really utilize her. Of course I did say it is only temp team but it is still useable for late game, it is crazy to put a lot of resources in some unit that you will bench for maybe forever. Even I dont really have optimized FF team, it doesnt mean the team will only be useable for these stages only, I can come back to this investment and upgrade them later down the line after building a second team. Gacha games really emphasize on resources management after all and I dont think it is wise to do as you suggest. You have to put a lot of resources for dps as they are the foundation of the archetype rather than support units, I will get more value of investing my mats into FF rather than Seele for the current state and even later down the line. Take BH for instance, he can deal monstrous dmg against ST bossess but aint that versatile in PF for multiple waves of enemies. Argenti is now purely for PF and also Rappa is best for multiple enemies case but not that great to burst down ST boss. FF might not deal crazy dmg without premium enabler like Ruan Mei but still decent in multiple waves enemies, break for more setup etc so she will be good as a core foundation main dps to brute force my way before im moving to the second team and branching from there. I see her as the common ground unit to progress through past events etc and I dont regret pulling for her. Seele is good but 1.x units powercrept is crazy, you cant just hope she can bulldoze everything with resurgence without having mobs with quantum weakness to procs her talent. One more obvious thing is, Aventurine boss fight where you have to hit the dices having Seele wont do me any good as I need to be able to blast the dices. It is not wise to build a unit specifically for certain scenario only. You started the game in 2.4, you dont have any experience using Seele so I dont think it is valid argument tbf. Im a day 1 player and I experienced how broken she was back in the day and now she is one of the worst 1.x unit. During launch, Himeko is not that good too but look at her now in PF. JY is 1.x unit but with Sunday, he can be used in hypercarry team as well, even SW longevity is better than Seele atp. Powercreep is really fast in HSR recently and you cant look the other way, back in the day MoC was the only end game content where you can really clear them with only free 4 stars but now good luck with that. So having argument essantially comparing using Seele and FF for the current state of game is kinda overblown to me. Destruction unit looks promising rather than hunt too. Destruction have self sustain, able to deal a decent amount of ST and having blast for the most part in their kit while hunt is primarily for ST which rn we have PF and AS and even MoC having mobs. You only see this as a newer player perspective and you might not really feel the change in dmg that much but Im day 1 player and coming back to the game recently with a lot of changes, the issue feels real as you cant even hope to use 1.x characters without having to pull for another unit to make them not "best" but "serviceable" to be used. You already started when there are a lot of archetypes while back in the day, the only team is all hypercarry team or double dps. For day1 players who plays daily they must have feel it too and for returners who play during 1.x, the changes are hard to keep up especially if you are f2p. You can only upgrade your account through pulling on banners and you need to have jades which mostly locked behind end game content. In order to stabilize the old account, it will take longer than new player account which will adapt with the changes and be able to respond with appropriate team while having mats resources while returners players might have come to the point where they already invest in 4 stars dps etc back in 1.x and they are not even decent now. Just look at how many words in the 1.x kits compared to newer units alone. For me who dont want to go through story for a second time I will take it slow and just build what I think is the best for my account progression rn. The powercreep seems manageable if you are smart with managing your priority and resources and it is easier for older players who play daily and new players who refer to older players for guidance to build a solid starting team, but for returners, there are a couple more points to take into consideration whether we should build the old dps to move forwards or getting new featured units which is mostly better but will take time to build and having to consider about the team archetype cost as well. That is why I emphasize as "returner's pov who play during launch" rather than "HSR player pov to powercreep". You cant expect the same outcome from f2p, dolphins and whales, the same goes for the current player state whether you are day 1 players who plays daily, returner players or new players. The video pov is coming from older players who actively plays the game so it will be different. It might fall to the average pov of the playerbase but it doesnt means that the takes applies to all players demographic so it is kinda absurd to say that I fall under the category mentioned in the video. You just came with the assumption that everyone is going through the same scenario and it is not logical at all to assume so in the first place. That is why even powercreep issue might seems really bad and some say that it is fine and you can mitigate the impact etc etc. Im doing whats best for my account rn whether the team is optimized by having premium enabler or not. FF and HMC is enough for the majority of the content where im at with traces not optimally enhanced and relics are only main stat focused without even checking the sets. Gallagher which only makes my break team useable. Your point here can also be interpret as "why would I use Seele when there is no buff/enabler that can boost her dmg" like Ruan Mei towards FF. FF is self sufficient enough which is for new players/returners, it is a good addition to the roster becuase of flexibility and this is a gacha game, there will be no way that one fit for all unit exist so the best way to approach this kind of scenario is to just get something for the best value which I see her as such. I wont talk on having optimized team to make Seele decent in 2.7 onwwards as her dmg multiplier is screaming low ceiling as well. By going with your argument then I shouldnt pull anyone cuz I dont have an optimized team for them and me pulling Seele in 1.0 was also a mistake due to I better of utilizing 4 stars characters to use. Im pulling what I think best for my current state of my account. The cost to build break team is cheaper too cuz I can pair FF with HMC and Gallagher is also a 4 star and I can just put one more support unit in the flex slot rather than building 1.x teams which needs premium support to enable them and even then the support can do so much with 1.x low multiplier. Everyone has their own perspective and different account so there is not really an absolute way to approach them. All in all you should have at least experience using Seele back in the day and now before you can compare how FF overall performance of not having Ruan Mei and the optimized Seele otherwise your logic is flawed. Im not a new gacha players too and having play GI, E7, 7DSGC and FGO in the past do let me experience "powercreep" issue time after time and I can still achieve what I want in those game as well so the point here is my personal day 1 returners player pov to powercreep.

[@odinson4184]

@@zexionsaix9494 Firefly is self sufficient until you step into MOC 11 then you realize how cope she is. Someone like Herta and Acheron, are far more self sufficient. You definitely lost the line of reasoning here, this is just trying to justify an unnecessary decision of 160 pulls. Weakness implant like most things is just reflective of 1.0 player mindset that doesn’t understand endgame rotations. Implant is an extremely useless mechanic outside of AS (when new stages will deliberately avoid implant mechanics) and very specific break tailored enemies that won’t shown up. Those enemies will get rotated into Amphoreus gimmick enemies which don’t give a damn about break. The only reason it exists is just to allow break dps to deal damage in any situation, you attach too much significance to a gimmick. What’s the point of pulling something for “early game” when literally any 5* dps can handle that. Then they can’t even do the actual endgame once I get there. That’s just bad value and you can’t put it in any other way.

[@zexionsaix9494]

@@odinson4184 Dude I literally said for my first team foundation and early to mid game phase. The point is to get decent main unit dps to blitz through not getting millions dmg screenshot in moc 11 or 12. My current state is still building two teams for the end game content so it is no brainer using a good newer unit for this very purpose until I pulled for potentially 3.x dps units. And even then, that just mean I am still able to get to floor 10 which still net me some jades rather than none at all. You missed my point of getting FF. Acheron is the same as FF as you need to build DoT based while THerta is upcoming unit. I came back like 2 weeks a go so of course I will build current units for the time being and rather than wait and pull for THerta and switch my main focus of resources that is dumb. It is fine if I consider THerta as my 2nd team main dps but for now Im good with getting FF to act as my main dps. I want to progress even though i still wont be able to get all 3 stars clear for the later stages of MoC. Weakness implant is still good for general story content bosses, events etc. of course there will be mechanic like toughness lock etc then it also applied to dot fua based team as well. There will be a niche scenario where enemies might be immune to certain DoT which will cut the extra dmg from different source of Dot applied and certain bosses might get buffed based on how many times it gets hit due to FUA team good in comsistent dmg but not burst. For returners players who dont have a solid dps, weakness implant is so flexible to reduce toughness bar, you can say the FF having this is due to she is breaking unit but dont forget that Acheron is DoT dps but still can do toughness dmg using her ULT and Feixiao which is FUA dps can do that too. These mechanic is valueable enough for early phase of the game while taking consideration of blast/aoe dmg distrubution for the majority fo the game content. For hard game content it will be apparent to have a multiple archetype to best suit the scenario but for general difficulty weakness implant is still good most of the part because it is in the game since launch and it is core mechanic. You might think that Im FF simp for backing her up or anything but that is far from truth as I dont enjoy using female dps and more lean to male team that is why Im looking forward for Mydei. As f2p we have to make choice that will be best for our account progression etc. Im currentlly using break team with 2.x dps and building Dr Ratio FUA for now and after Im done with it hopefully shift my archetype to whatever Mydei's team building will be. This is just a temporary measure which I think is the best move when counting the banner choices and team cost for the current progression. I missed Acheron so it is not valid to include her in the dps choice, while THerta makes sense, I already pulled for FF and waiting for her like back in two weeks period is not the thing I want to he doing whereas during that time I already able to built decent break team enough to brute force the past event and clearing Penacony main story and saving 90 pulls now so it is not that bad, not to mention the explorations achievements, DU and other past events can potentially give me more so that I can make better pulling decision when the time come. Back to self sufficient, you cant just use Acheron to do proper rotation when you need nihility units in the team comp to just recharge her ult which I only has 4 stars one like Sampo while most people run her with Black Swan Kafka etc heck even Jiaoqiu which is way expensive than break team. FF support is just HMC which I leveled already and cheap overall team cost so I dont see any demerit. As for THerta im skipping her for now as the most apparent PF team available to me is Himeko, Herta and JY team for now and I want to use them first before getting someone new and dont really like using female as carry, it is enough with FF. And what is the "justify an unnecassry decision of 160 pulls"? Dude the break team is one of the cheapest team that anyone van build, I dont even pull for her LCs as there is sub LC in herta store for that and I can S5 it and I dont pull for eidolon either as I dont think f2p can afford vertical investment while the break team just need Gallagher as the replacement for Lingsha. Based on your logic, it is not good either to pull for Acheron as there might be better dot dps down the line. The cycle will keep on and on. I didnt specifically talk about moc 12 by bringing FF break team. For f2p there should be some sort of achievable objective we aim for considering our account state. You talked about using Seele, she wasnt good enough for moc 11 and 12 as well and even struggle for general content without building AA unit to support and spd buff which potentially needs more resources with low ceiling returns and aint worth. Like I mentioned, my point is not to get one fit for all unit as this is gacha game that emphasize on team building. FF is sufficient enough for now as my dps to get the jades locked behind past events etc to speed through the progression of getting the meta archetype etc. Of course she is not top tier anymore as there are already multiple dps came after her and now with Fugue featured, break team is complete already. So for the time being there will be no unit cater to this style and we leans to double erudition with THerta and remembrance summon meta but it doesnt mean the older archetype is obsolete. Again you said that bad value for end game and at the same time you said the moc did rotate, I might not be able to use break for maybe a single moc but that just make me lost a couple of stars and not entirely. This applies to every single archetype whether they are already in the game or are going to be in the game. THerta and Aglaea is going to be broken for sure but later down the line there will be better ones, if I keep waiting for the absolute best than im just going to miss what I can get for now. I dont know if you are f2p, dolphin or whale but as Ive said we all have different account and approach. So it is not wise to say to them " it is not the move", "you better do this and that". Spenders can afford more and can literally chase the meta to try 3 stars clears everything and even 0 cycle but for some, they are just fine with clearing the bare minimum even they are not all 3 stars clears. It is not fine to project your way of approaching things to someone disregarding their account roster and player demographic. This is a gacha game after all and not rpg where everything will most likely be fixed for everyone. Gacha games will always have powercreep issue and spenders view wont be the same as f2p views. Even f2p will have different account due to luck, the game has 50/50 after all so some might not get a wide limited 5 stars to get optimal team for end game content. Once again, Im not FF enjoyer but she offers "enough" for now. HSR is gacha game with only pve content. Not every unit can brute force, the game doesnt have pvp but use pve endgame to make it time tied thing where you will need to focus later on. What is the point of having me build Seele to clear the story content and pull for other limited dps exclusively for end game when I can just use the newer unit to fulfill both. I can use Seele to clear story but not hard diff end game content so I dont see your point of justifying Seele and then pull for "future proof" dps later when "powercreep" exist and Seele is one of the evident already. You are basically contradicting yourself by saying I should use Seele for general content and build optimized team for end game. My objective for this upcoming couple of months is to not 3 stars every end game but push as far as I can with what I have and I really dont see demerit in me pulling FF even without Ruan Mei.

[@rueonearth]

Honestly, as a f2p who pulls for who I like, and don't sweat to clear all content, I can feel powercreep as well. 2 MOC ago, i got up to MOC 10, with 11 being too hard for me. Last MOC, i got to MOC 10 as well. However, in this one, i couldn't clear MOC 10. I do think my characters aren't the absolute best, but they are still decent. However, if the point of a gacha game is to "collect them all" and "enjoy your characters, watch them do big damage!", why must I pull for other characters. my most obvious example is rappa. of course i have HMC to help her, but i DON'T have ruan mei, and i had no plans of getting her. but the difference between ruan mei and no ruan mei is actually ridiculous. the worst part is, break is probably going to be powercrept by remembrance anyways, so is it even worth it to pull her or fugue? i try my best to save and pull, but when banners come so frequently and the only ways to get jades reliably (MOC, PF, AS) get harder and harder and characters are sold as teams and not individuals, can you say its the player's fault?

[@rokuro6979]

I agree with your pov. DHIL is my favorite character and I pulled for his E2 + signature lightcone. I skipped almost every version 2 meta character except for E1 Robin and E1 Sunday because those two significantly improve my DHIL team. My DHIL can consistently clear MoC in 0-1 cycle, so I never feel the need to pull for Acheron, Yunli, Feixiao, Lingsha or any of the break dps.

[@nathanlam8289]

Recently came back to hsr after a long break. While I did feel that stronger characters leading to hp inflation was part of the issue, the bigger issue to me felt like the rng of farming relics. Like even if i did pull all the strong characters, the rng rolls were killing me.

[@Biocdon]

not just the RNG there are more stats here than in Genshin for example and it takes double the resin so yeah

[@RaihanSalim-nw7tm]

As epic 7 player this rng is nothing 😂

[@KingDarkness100]

@@RaihanSalim-nw7tm It's a basic system in most gacha games, Summoners War has it for like 10 years now people just dont play other games besides Genshin

[@RaihanSalim-nw7tm]

@@KingDarkness100 true but the rng im mentioning here is not purely about gearing or pulling rng. Its about the gameplay, the 15%, etc everything in epic 7 is rng so yeah. IYKYK

[@supernieva2419]

@@Biocdon yeaah especiaally that speed stat on boots

[@Riric07]

Blud just couldn't stop ulting all over the place

[@jaidennfernandes3666]

20:00 I'm actually do wrist exercises using a wrist machine/like a grip machine (idk the term) because I want strong forearms and wrists . So no I'm not eating junk food while watching your video

[@Drumlabel]

It seems it probably would have been better worded (to pokke's intention) if it was "HSR's powercreep is a problem, only if you allow it to happen either by greed or stupidity".

[@hollow.shadow]

The problem with "pulling smart" in the context of HSR meta is that the player will constantly be stringed along by the dev's whims in how they design the next moc. For example, when black swan came out, everyone was misled into thinking DOT was gonna be the new great archetype to invest in. No amount of "smart pulling" is going to fix the fact that the players have zero insight into the dev's intention to further develop DOT in the future. Also unlike genshin where there are universally strong supports like furina xilonen kazuha bennett, HSR supports are by enlarge less versatile and more archetype oriented, meaning if the niche you invest in gets countered or runs out of new toys, you have to start investing in a new niche.

[@hollow.shadow]

@rlstrength moc not only has hp inflation, enemies are so tailored toward the new banner characters that the f2p has to either reset 20x harder than players who got the new units fit for the content or cry.

[@darko6115]

Its kinda funny that this video is an 1 hour and 30 minutes of you arguing a point that most people don’t even necessarily disagree with. The problem is your inital tweet was worded badly and as you said in the intro, ppl thought you were saying powecreep doesn’t exist or its existence is conditional on the basis of you being stupid. It truly was your point got lost in translation, everyone got mad at what they THOUGHT you meant (calling them dumb and greedy deffo didn’t help too). I think literally a singular tweet saying “oh guys this is what I meant” would of stopped most of uproar dead in its tracks, but by replying with all the skill issues etc just gives me iyo flashbacks. It was also funny seeing it after you said no more war. Its ok pokke, we are all sloppers here 😘

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

Literally Iyo situation😂

[@mrpokkee]

i said skill issue to 2 guys, one guy saying im advocating for e6s5 jingliu to make her good, another guy for saying seele and jingliu is useless. they are not going to discuss in the first place, so i dont have to coddle them. my point did not get lost in the translation, i meant exactly what i mean that powercreep problem is only a problem for the greedy and stupid. the offended people are likely on of those camps or both, but they also want me to ease their responsibility by talking about powercreep itself, which i have already acknowledged. i dont need explicityl state if powercreep is existant or not in my tweet when the entire premise has been about whether it is a problem for you. this is also not war, it led to some of the best discussions ive had in HSR, so all love peace happiness

[@miramaxcinemax5512]

@@mrpokkee your point wasn't even found to be lost to begin with😁 This post has multiple interpretations, add a dozen more for stupid people. Insanely vague and provocative at the same time. Looks more like an engagement bait than an invitation for discussion

[@darko6115]

@ I understand exactly what you mean now, and thats the thing I don’t even disagree with you. But I really do think that explicitly stating powercreep exist would of changed the premise of your inital tweet because than people wouldn’t of read it as “this out of touch dolphin thinks powercreep doesn’t exist and is calling me dumb and greedy, screw this guy”. Thats why the reaction was more visceral than it needed to be. By the wording people were focusing on that part rather than the wider discussion which was actually a meaningful discussion. Ig imma just have to agree to disagree whether this is war or not. Im not saying the entire situation is war, I get that great conversations came out of it, but judging by ppls reaction to the inital tweet this deffo ain’t all sunshine and rainbows, and it coming like literally 24 hours after what u said before made it a lil funny 🤣

[@AlexFights99]

ABSOLUTE CINEMA, also editor went HARD with the intro

[@Mortreed]

as expected from rank 1 HSRshill

[@Biocdon]

The Strongest HSRShill in history versus all of the Hsr players of today

[@mrpokkee]

ez

[@rhyned]

Lemme express this in mathematical equation HSR has a powercreep problem only if You allow it to happen, either by greed or stupidity. P = HSR has a powercreep problem Q = You allow it to happen, either by greed or stupidity. Only if is represented with symbol double arrow PQ Then Pokke said, "HSR has a powercreep problem" means it is P Since it is bidirectional if, then P -> Q It means "Pokke allow it to happen, either by greed or stupidity." (= "R" statement) But then, there is another person, for an example the name is John, and he is not greed and not stupid. With the mathematical equation, this becomes ~Q -> ~P THis means "HSR has no a powercreep problem". And this is contradiction with the first statement: "HSR has a powercreep problem" by Pokke. That makes PQ is a false statement (unless the all people is greed or stupid, so John will never exist). The correct statement should be: "HSR has a powercreep problem FOR YOU only if You allow it to happen, either by greed or stupidity." It is missing "for you". OR The correct statement should be: "You will feel frustrated for HSR has a powercreep problem only if You allow it to happen, either by greed or stupidity.", because we all know for sure that "HSR has a powercreep problem" is a correct statement. But, then how I debate with Pokke. I can't, because like I have told you before. It is because "R" statement above. I feel like to give this statement to convince the reader, not Pokke.

[@nehalhasnaeen08]

Pokke, if you’re saying the first part of your tweet acknowledges powercreep, you might have meant that sure, but unfortunately the english language doesn’t work like that nor will your tweet be perceived that way. Your points in this vid makes sense, but it doesn’t really corroborate with what your tweet says (not what you meant to say, rather what it conveys).

[@Jalterblack]

My experience relating to his arguments: I'm f2p, semi casual semi sweaty. My team: boothill, bronya, ruan mei, lingsha 3 cycled moc 12 first half. I'm a waifu collector and I don't like to play meta. My original team i tried clearing with on the same stage: boothill, bronya, hmc, gallagher couldn't clear. If I'm full casual, i wouldn't care abt moc 12 at all and satisfied with whatever cycles i got using that team. But since I'm partially sweaty, my rule of pulling is to always have meta units as backup if my 1.0, 2.0 units can't clear. Conclusion: I cared enough to clear moc by having strong foundation in my acc like robin, ruan mei, fugue, but don't care enough to 0 cycling bcs i don't give a shit abt that, hence I'm casual and prioritizing my favorite units. (No sunday, sparkle, huohuo, aventurine, firefly bcs i don't need them since i have what i need to clear) My main is hanya btw. About moc hp inflation: True. Hp pool is getting higher every patch. But so does the mechanics. Youd think that we really need aoe to clear current moc content. I used boothill. 3 stars. It wouldn't have been 3 if it weren't for the pigs dying dealing 120k+ aoe dmg. And even if I couldn't clear with boothill, i have Feixao Fua or Acheron team to clear it. I just don't want to use them. Here's an analogy: We used to have smaller towns and buildings. (No hp inflation) We're having bigger cities and buildings to build moving forward in the future (hp inflation), but we're also having advanced tools to help build them. (Moc buffs) About the counter argument towards smack's take: For casuals: Hoyo always drip marketing characters a whole patch before the next patch of characters releasing. Example: before even herta and aglaea and the roster of reruns drop, we know about the existence of mydei and tribbie's design. Basically a whole patch before they actually drop. For me, I really like aglea. If you're not greedy, you WILL have any of the units you really find attractive to you. We'll get more than enough to pull at least one char the entirety of 3.0. For sweaty: you can never know a character's power level until you see multipliers nor you can predict what kind of characters we'll have in the future. The only info we got in terms of what's on the menu for us is drip marketing and cc's early access review. What I'd do and always have been doing, is whenever a new unit drops, I wait untill the last day of the banner to pull because i would know all about the upcoming next characters and what they do, their multiplliers and shit to decide pulling for. As a partial sweat and partial casual, I want most if not all of the characters that we're gonna get. (Ex: Jade and mydei for waifu/husbando purposes, and lingsha robin copies for sweaty purposes) But given I'm f2p, there's no way i can get allat. Fortunately, I'm not greedy and have self control to really decide what the fuck I'm gonna do with resources i have. I'll share my plans to put into perspective of the mind of a 'I'm HIM': Prioritize Herta, bcs i have no ice dps, try for Jade, pull algae if lost 50/50, no robin bcs e0 robin is enough to clear content. Though Pokke, I really do wish for the game would go in the different direction about new units and endgame in the future, like not giving future chars broken multipliers, lower hp pools with balanced moc buffs so I can clear them with Hanya, but ya know.. It is what it is Also, tbh, i do actually think your initial post was vague as fuck. But well, It's impossible to win an argument against the dumb. This may not be war, but this sure as hell is absolute cinema

[@Marbeary]

Hi3 Player here and still playing we have known that powercreep is not a bug but a feature for hoyo games. Look at the characters we had for the past 2 years ago is no longer used. If you are targeting the highest level of end game (nirvana or red lotus levels) you need to spend certain characters to maintain that but like me a casual just pull what you want. Why I play for Hi3 because of the mini games and story. In HSR I main SU/DU (I pull what it will be fun there) and completing MoC/AS/PF is a bonus but I am happy with 2-3 star less. I can predict the only way to buff old characters like in Hi3 which they do occasionally is new LC and Relic that will be meta and will work (example if there is a HP scaling characters there will be a relic with insane HP scale that you might have a Blade with 25k HP that will be significant)

[@fiyibomiolabode]

I think you mean honkai games

[@itriyum]

Honkai games definitely suffer from that

[@SergeantMahoff]

lol I find people complaining about HSR and Genshin powercreep laughable. Honkai Impact's powercreep is insane compared to them if you don't want to permanently live in Agony III.

[@kismyers5207]

powercreep is a feature for all games

[@AdamJorgensen]

As someone that's been playing HI3 since 2018 at this point I think HSR is worse in terms of creep. Valks generally stay relevant for longer and due to the bi-weekly Abyss rotation most teams get a chance to perform at some point, even really old ones. I think it's also easier for the HI3 creep doomers to forget that HI3 releases 1 S-rank per patch these days and in the past only did 1 S-rank every other patch. There's also no 50/50 bullshit and these days you can craft 3/4 of the gear needed for characters. Overall the game is a lot more low spender friendly than HSR, which is kinda nuts.

[@JustRavynne]

as a casual/f2p players that casually skipping 1-2 patch at 2.x, I'm still clearing all end game just fine

[@Boot_hil-l]

To me i don't feel it i keep updating my teams and units builds when my dps feel lil off i add newst support and they shi on game ​@@MefoWho

[@JustRavynne]

@@MefoWho it's definitely feel more challenging but not like impossible to clear, in fact i still uses galagher, pela, gepard to clear my end game and it works fine

[@Flare8124]

@@MefoWho Clearing in 8-10 cycles is fine, especially when you're not a creator and nobody cares how long it took lol

[@killuazoldyck589]

I have installed the game from the beginning and I still cant clear anything

[@JustRavynne]

@@killuazoldyck589 really? I always thought that day 1 f2p/casual player will never have difficulties with the end game since they probably already have 1 solid team and 1 decent team (like 4-6 cycle clear).

[@markgruner5812]

I'm always gonna prioritize pulling a character I like over pulling for meta, but at the same time I'm also willing to admit that if power level issues arise with my account those issues lie with my decision making. Though I will say, how was I supposed to know as a brand new player DoT was gonna fall off SO damn hard? I won't stop praying for the DoT savior to one day release. After finding your channel I started putting more thought into my account, teams, and proper building of units and, of course, maxing traces. I got roasted in account reviews for it and since then pulled for Huo Huo on her rerun which with how things are looking is gonna pay off in a big way in the future.

[@odinson4184]

I mean DOT still clears, a clear is clear that’s it. No one really gives a shit if Acheron is 1 cycle faster than jingliu, as long as it’s less than 5 whatever. HuoHuo is a good investment though, you play dot or hypercarry then yeah she’s the greatest. She’s so good with Robin and Sunday.

[@markgruner5812]

@odinson4184 DoT clears for now, it's definitely getting to a "too close for comfort" kind of clear where you either runt hem first and have to clear super fast or run them 2nd and hope they finish with the cycles you gave them.

[@X37O-zIo]

I don't think ppl misinterpreted his tweet, "HSR has a powercreep problem only if you allow it to happen, either by greed or stupidity." that literally sounds like he's pinning the entire blame on the players. Powercreep is mainly in the hands of the company. (If hoyo wants they can release any character with whatever power level they want at any time. If hoyo wants they can make a fugue pro max ++ in the next patch which does everything better than fugue by a large margin but companies won't do this cuz playerbase hate, backlash etc.)

[@proteincannon]

Yes his comment literally reads "Powercreeps doesn't exist. You're just stupid" lol

[@mrpokkee]

yes, i am pinning the blame of powercreep being a problem on the account, to the account owner. yes, i am also pinning the blame of powercreep itself existing in HSR, moreso than the other mainstream gachas. if hoyo wants to release another broken OP pro max, you can pull them yes, or you can still make all your investments in the old team remain relevant by in turn making them stronger.

[@ahmedmubarak751]

​@mrpokkee but you can't make them stronger when they tailor the new content to the op pro max character. At that point you will regret that you've spent your pulls on the previous character because you didn't know they would release a pro max version next patch

[@X37O-zIo]

@@mrpokkee Nahhh it's just straight up wrong to hold players accountable for powercreep which is in the hands of the company, that's a crazy hot take. Powercreep is in every gacha game but the rate at which HSR releases new characters and they quantity of reruns makes it way worse.

[@krauke]

People are blaming the powercreep so much bc it's HSR's fault at the most. Players can mitigate but at what cost? Sacrificing you fav characters and pulling for characters you don't like, majority of people find that unfun. 80% of HSR gameplay is combat, that is the main goal the game itself made. Nothing else you can do with the characters you pull. It isn't even that worse in other gacha games like Genshin, Wuwa or ZZZ where people can have fun with their favorite playstyle and chars, while it is always too restrictive in HSR. All of this powercreep problem stems from HSR itself and I will say why do players even need this much mitigation? This itself is a very flawed game design, where luck and resource management becomes the main thing rather than the turn-based combat itself. Criticisms didn't came out of nowhere People should give advice to players rather than blaming them, they're not at fault. And people blaming others on a high horse are elitists who just want to look better than others or drama and attention seekers.

[@whywasthismywholeassname]

I feel like the people most upset about the powercreep are low/high spenders. They've paid money instead of their time to clear the content, but now that the units they paid for dont work, it feels like theyve wasted money cause they cant clear it comfortably anymore. Ftps will always pull whoever they like, and arent going to be as upset over not 3 star-ing endgame content. Cause they already have a limited roster of characters they own, its logical that many ftps arent going to consistently get 3 stars every new cycle. Anyways, as a low spender ive also settled with not getting 3 stars consistently in apoc. Im not really losing out on 50 jades if i can just get more by logging in the next day.

[@wearethelegion5817]

"it's not the company's fault you were given more work than what you're getting paid to do. It's your fault because you didn't anticipate it 🙂" type of shit

[@Ryunk0079]

Lot of nothing burger. You get around 500 pulls as a new player. You can hit lvl60 in 2 weeks able to farm for endgame. Instead of yapping just start an F2P account and play through the whole 3.X patch show us the way of the oraculum. I bet you won't.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodh3186]

If you are a new Player you should not expect to clear any end game mode. He is talking to players that played since the beginning and never stopped playing.

[@Chaoszwaihander3434]

Disposable Honkai account would sound kinda fun if there were a skip option for that abomination they call writing

[@Ryunk0079]

@@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodh3186 If you are a new player you shouldn't expect to clear end game in a year? Kinda diabolical take ngl.

[@Ryunk0079]

@@Chaoszwaihander3434 Not that bad with auto clicker.

[@yourfriendlyneighbourhoodh3186]

@@Ryunk0079 1st in your original comment you never mentioned about "in a year". 2nd if you are already playing for a year you are not a new player like what is your point??? Edit: But a F2P series from MrPokee would be fire though

[@IshyMimic]

Is Pokke reading the comments? Holy Cimemememema.

[@tunoak]

Pokke let me just say that you are way more out of touch compare to 1.0 HSR pokke. This is coming from a genuine place and not taking a shot at you. Most gacha youtuber, spending money is just part of the business expense and you get more money back anyway from all the streams and videos. I think if you were still a smaller youtuber and have tighter budget to spend on gacha (not pulling eidolons), you would definitely see more problem with powercreep. Gacha games in general are ridiculous in normalizing that spending $100 for 50 pulls is okay when last years there were games like wukong, metaphor, FF, elden ring, etc that cost less than that. IMHO Thats what they meant when they said you are not relatable and out of touch because you chase multiple eidolons that cost hundreds of dollars on top of being able to pull for every characters if you choose. I hope this come off as a proper criticism and not a bash.

[@mrpokkee]

stay tuned bruv

[@sammyjones6730]

The problem is that we dont know which characters will get buffed by future character releases. You say this all as if we are all pulling in 2025 with 100% hindsight and can actually make these choices with perfect knowledge. You really do have to follow meta to a great extent to get a decent team, which is dumb for a waifu collection game

[@PureFuckingMetal6632]

This is the dumbest video about gacha games i ever seen even by Tectone standards

[@lego6192]

This was perfect background noise as I played through the new Wuwa quest ty Mr Pokke for also making me realize that I am allowed to go all in on my DPS spectro Rover and make my pull decisions around them

[@Srdaph]

one and a half hour clip is crazy.

[@LikeACrouton]

I do overall agree, but "Honkai's power creep problem will only affect you if you're stupid and greedy" probably avoids a lot of the issues you attribute to reading comprehension.

[@eduardogc1404]

Honestly the problem with your tweet was that you put the blame on the players and not on the devs.

[@HotMokha]

TLDW; Pokke is not denying that powercreep has powercreep, he is saying that HSR does not have a powercreep PROBLEM (emphasis on it being a PROBLEM). Powercreep in HSR is definitely real, but whether or not that's actually problem depends on whether you're making good or bad decisions. At the end of the day, this is a team building game. If you waste all of your pulls on every new unit instead of pulling for characters that form a coherent team, then you're definitely going to notice a drop in your ability to clear endgame. The endgame in HSR is the hardest content it reasonably expects players to complete, it's not balanced around half-baked teams. It can be statistically proven that even the unluckiest possible f2p players receive enough pulls to build premium e0s0 teams, so if you don't have these teams then you either A) don't farm all the jades in any patch (from limited time content, endgame excluded) or B) make bad pulling decisions. You do not need every new unit to clear content. You do not need to have the exact team being shilled by MoC/PF/AS buffs. You just need to have two solid teams that you have ACTUALLY invested resources into. It's okay to pull for high value signatures as F2P, it's okay to pull for high value eidolons as f2p. Understanding what steps you need to take to safeguard your already owned characters from powercreep (or when to replace them) is part of the resource management aspect of the game.

[@dstroyar5426]

"I'm not going read all that yap." After asking others to change your mind is diabolical and just disingenuous, this is supposed to be a video about taking criticisms and debating them to solidify and present your point as something reasonable, and hopefully true enough to have others come to the dame conclusion. Saving myself an hour and a half by not listening to this 4min in

[@dstroyar5426]

Meticulously go over each point that is visible, that you talk about, or that you even just reference with a take as hot as this, or just re-upload edited later and take a 10 of 10 to keep integrity.

[@Nadran4444]

Honestly the wording was pretty bad, a better phrasing would be "HSR's power creep is only a problem if you allow it to be one." This language presupposes the existence of power creep, and puts the emphasis on the "problem" part. That being said, I don't agree. I think power creep would be a problem even if every unit was free. For example, I really like Seele's design, but I basically never use her any more because it's become so hard to clear content with her. As a spender, I can still full clear everything, but it still feels bad to feel like I can't use my old units. Also, Hoyo specifically puts in substantial money and effort to make you want to pull for every new unit, so calling people stupid for trying to do that is a bit much. It feels like one of those "I'm not influenced by advertising" takes when yes, everyone is, we just like to think we aren't.

[@wee1rd]

The advice of being "smart with their pulls" can be somewhat harmful if it means people should pull for characters that are "currently best" no matter if they like them or not. It is a good strategy if you are an AI player who doesn't have a reason to like anyone and programmed only for optimization in clearing endgame content. Waifu-gaming is way better strategy overall, because you will still be able to clear the story easily, to clear SU in any mode (even G&G v12 without RM glitch), and you probably still will be able to clear at least more than a half of every endgame mod. But even if you don't even step into any endgame, what are you losing? 800 gems per two weeks, while one e0s0 costs 28800 gems, which means that by pulling one meta character who you don't like just for the sole reason of negligible amount of gems (for example pulling for Robin or Sunday, if you don't like chickens), and if you get a bit unlucky with pulls, the paid cost won't pay off for around a year (and I'm talking about single e0s0, while with LCs you will be losing way more). By the year almost any character will be useless, especially if they are not a busted support. But at the same time, if you like a character, even if it's not the best, you will just have fun by seeing it on your account, you will like playing with it, running around and so on. When I see people on who asks "who should I pull", it's actually very cringe. It's like entering a supermarket and then asking all the buyers around there what you should buy too, then shoving your bag to them and saying while drooling "LOOK, I'VE GOT THIS ALREADY, SO WHAT DO I NEED NOW??".

[@muonluocrau7603]

1. Pity in this game is HORRENDOUS. I have played since launch. Only 3 in all of my 5-star are under 70 pity. And the fact that you get ~ 80-90 pulls per patch, 2 new powerhouse per patch, 50-50. There is NO OTHER WAY than playing your obsolete units and struggle if you are f2p 2. Go F2P, or just buy astral supplies and let's see how you'll manage. Good luck with that. 3. Hoyoshilling is out of the meta. Stop doing it

[@EngelAguilar]

45:06 I think I get it, bro is using rage bait to educate people to not fall for gacha tactics, this is 5D level chess, sorry I was not familiar with your game

[@mrpokkee]

first you get people's attention, then you get them to listen.

[@Lotussss]

A part of the HSR community thinking about powercreep, and me thinking about how many pulls I'll have until the collab hahahaha, good video Pokke

[@justastem]

Honestly I think the issue with powercreep isn’t that it exists, but how Hoyo is going about it. All the powercreep is right now is just increasing numbers. DPS and supports get bigger multipliers, so the HP has to go up. But then the DPS needs to be stronger, so they get bigger numbers. Etc etc. There’s nothing fun or interesting about it, just increasing numbers. I don’t think the powercreep issue is as big of a deal as people say it is, but I also think that people have the right to be upset about it. If Hoyo wants to make content focused on hyper specific/invested teams there should be actual interesting mechanics to do that with, not just bigger numbers. Maybe it’s not the perfect solution, but they could at least try something else.

[@blank_Lv999]

Petition for MrPokke to make a F2p Acc to help the avg f2p players..

[@ДмитрийПопов-м3х]

Totally agree with you, since I've started to help my friends with MoC that have a lot limited 5* DPS units without SL and with not the best builds every single patch they lost their damage without any impovements and now to clear 12 floor with 20 cycles is a f*cking miracle

[@williamkole9519]

Bro forgot to put a fullstop before the Only. lmao

[@Notmayonez]

full stop office from the hit game library of ruina that just released it's id's into limbus ?

[@proteincannon]

Yeah his comment reads like this: "Powercreeps doesn't exist. You're just stupid" lol

[@MrTjeerd40]

No word of the day. MrPokke changed…. :( Hail MrPokke. Love the content. Hail Powercreep.

[@SweetilyClips]

Good work and don't let any haters bother ya. Keep it up your Majesty swtRawr

[@NHLshuvi]

swtCheer

[@ashiqprio2485]

Many people thought you were blaming the players for having powercreep on the game, it has nothing to do with being sensitive. They even said they wouldn't have cared if it was to farm people but you said you were 100% serious about it that's why they got intrigued

[@whole.milk__]

51:43 Individiualised "OPTIMAL BUILD PATH" > Shiny new toy is so real. You can still pull for the characters you like and clear all content if you optimize your 'best investments' surrounding your favourite characters. It will be different for each person based on the characters they want to build around, but it exists nonetheless.

[@Emboze06]

Truly the emanator of tectone

[@quocviethuynh1563]

I gotta admit that I quite agree with you about the "greedy" player perspective. I know two of my friends, one can represent the F2P but "smart" player group and one can represent the "greedy" player group. The "smart one" has 1571 pulls, which is very close to the total pulls a F2P can save, but he can still finish the current MoC within 7 or 8 cycles. Though being struggle a bit, I'm quite confident that if he keeps his current strategy of pulling, he can still be comfortable for the entire 3.x without wiping his card. Well, he's rather lucky with his pulls so that's a blessing for him, but the part that he is F2P still hold true. The "greedy one" lost all of his pull records. He is a light spender as he mostly buys monthly passes, but somehow managed to get most of the chars (50/59). His account comprises a normal DPS, a break DPS team, and a DOT team. We can say that his account can be able to play most of the contents the game can offer with these many characters. However, that is just a jack of all trades master of none account. He could not be able to 36* this MoC and I had to step in. That was such a hella operation to save the patient and I only managed to finish it in full 10 cycles. I gotta tell him to stop horizontal investment and start to focus on vertical investment of his account, strengthening his main team comps or else he won't be able to keep up with the development of game. HP inflation and powercreeping are the nature of game development (though this MoC I think it is a little out of hand), and we players have to keep our head cool, constrain our temper of pulling, or the only one who cries most in the end will be our wallet. Edit: I don't use "stupid" as it sounds rather offensive, "greedy" is a fine term though.

[@rocketcat92]

Man, I actually feel bad for Pokke here. He flat out says powercreep exists - spitting facts, but still gets star railed. At the end of the day, you cannot be a casual player, put minimal effort in and still expect to 3* MOC. It's just not happening. The entitled casual is the real villain here, whist the nonchalant casual and spender is big chillin.

[@AkashSingh-d5h]

Mr pokke statement is 100% correct. Pulling to increase account strength is a smart move, chasing an ever changing meta for temporary advantage is not. One thing is certain- ultra casuals and tourists shouldn't be allowed to dictate the direction of endgame in hsr. They can give their opinions on other things but endgame should only be made for those who want a challenge and those who know how to play the game.

[@Awesomedefenders]

It’s either pull smart and be meta to reduce the effects of powercreep or pull whoever u want and enjoy the game but dont expect to clear everything when powercreep catches up. Thats just how gacha games work.

[@RaihanSalim-nw7tm]

Ye why its hard for people to realize this like bruh its gacha game

[@se7en-impact]

The powercreep is not so bad that it's impossible to clear, but it's bad enough to ruin the fun. f2p players want to feel rewarded for pulling their favourite characters - instead they feel like trash for not going for E2S1. And also - because most standard characters have fallen so far behind the meta, losing 50/50s becomes more frustrating than ever. Plus competing games (GFL, Wuwa, ZZZ) have really stepped up their game - so the HSR flaws are more noticeable

[@IceMoonWolfz]

I have a battlepass/monthly account with no Feixiao, Acheron, Firefly (the big 3 dps rn) and I can full star every MoC, APOC, and Pure Fiction. Sure some weeks are harder than others but it's still doable.

[@_bamung_]

people are just new to strategy game ig

[@promc2890]

What about your eidolons and supports?

[@Calbee-m5u]

It's sure getting harder and harder though. From the Feixiao patch my average cycles clear is about 2 and it's goes all the way to 8 now. And that's with me pulling for new units like Sunday with sig LC and Fugue. Also pretty sure old dps is dead now.

[@Lewa500]

The fact that you said "doable" is the problem. It shouldn't be "doable", it should be "easy". If the top 3 DPSes of the current patch series are just "doing" the endgame rather than coasting it, this means that powercreep is a problem regardless if you pull smart.

[@Nat-vp5dx]

I was so confused when 5 CC starts debating about Bob until I found this video.

[@sev_elm]

I clear every endgame as f2p in HSR, but i have to say the latest MoC i could definitely tell that there was HP inflation, Svarog was tanky af in part 1. Destroyed part 2 with Rapa super break team in 2 turns tho.

[@TheEllord33]

The game is still extremely easy

[@celsosousamendonca4738]

I made this analogy in one of the comments, but I liked it a lot because I think it show very well the importance of this discussion for the community. You have a hole in the floor that makes it impossible for you to pass through it, but you have 2 doors that promise you they can solve this problem. The first door has some planks, they are big enough to cover the hole and strong enough to hold your weight, but they have an expiration date(a very long one), and you will have to work hard to put the planks over the hole. The second door has a phone that gives you the ability to call someone who can cover instantly and permanently the hole, but it is a very stubborn person that is known for never covering holes for other people, but maybe, if you insist a lot, he will cover it for you, although it will take a long time. If you are smart you would try to use both doors, but which door you deems more important in the current moment that you need to cross the hole?

[@MarkFin9423]

Thing is pokke, your not seeing what everyone is seeing because you are already at the end and so are some f2P players who got in this game day one. Sure if your smart AT THE VERY LAUNCH OF THE GAME then of course it's a skill issue as you say However, say your a new player starting a brand new baby account, you lose your first 50/50, and it's a hard hard pity a full 180 pulls. Account is already bricked from the start. That's most new players experience when trying to get into the game. The game has been so power-crept the old character rooster can't even get you past certain points in the initial story it's that bad. Then, you can brick your account again because no amount of guide videos explain that you need to hold off on upping your world level until you got a solid team going. Every step of the way playing HSR in the present as a new player is like the game is pay-walling you every step of the way in hopes you feel forced to pull out your wallet. So if you want to prove any validity I encourage anyone to role an account with the assumption you lost your first 50/50, and tell me how long it will take to get to endgame when you need very, very specific characters that you will not see a re-run of until maybe 6 months to a year down the line.

[@GodofGoblins]

So I definitely disagree with this. For clarity, I am f2p and started since console release on playstation. I beat end game with both meta and non meta teams (Kafka and freakin Sampo.) Thing is, if someone is super new, MOC12 shouldnt be your concern. Your concern should be beating the story. And if you choose to pull on older characters jumping in, and not getting a sig or eidolon for them, that is on you. I am sorry but thats 100% your fault. You never EVER have to spend a dime on this game. What you need to do, is save resources and be smart with your investments. I see people all the time saying they have no resources, then saying they got Aventurines E1 or Huo Huo S1, etc. Why? Those are awful investments. Or they use an E0 S0 Seele expecting to 0 cycle like she did a year ago. Buddy...get a reality check. If you want to continue using someone like DHIL? Ok, pick up his Sig and invest in his supports. Wanna use Jing Yuan? Cool, where is your Sunday? And if you make those decisions, why the heck are you pulling Yunli AND Jiaoqu AND Rappa AND etc etc? You gotta be smart and pick and choose. Hell, my situation? I am sitting on 2 guarantee 5 stars. I saved, because im chillin. Again, I play meta and non meta as a f2p. And you can do the same, even if you are new as a f2p. Just be smart and patient. Sorry, you wont get EVERY single character. Pick an archetype, and smartly invest in it the best you can. Oh and btw, new accounts get resources front loaded (all the free events, sim uni, swarm disaster, etc.) So as long as you spend like 5 minutes planning, you are good to go even if you lose 50/50s.

[@MarkFin9423]

@@GodofGoblins you did not read a word I said did you? You're day 1 f2P, I am talking about today f2P. No amount of "pulling smart" is gonna save your account from bad RNG.

[@JimJimmy-hb9pc]

​@@MarkFin9423 f2p that just started the game can't beat the endgame, don't be dumb and say it's possible. we all know every moc, spiral abyss, shiyu or toa are indeed just dps check.

[@aknightluck930]

We will see tomorrow in Project Rat Race. But I came back to the game at 2.6 to pull Rappa and I at least got 2 pities (it 3 but I am lowballing because luck) and I quit the game at Firefly banner which is 2.3 I technically missed 4 patches. Since I didn't do the story. But I am pretty sure you get 5 pities of limited characters at least or more if you start binge playing the story up to 2.7 patch from a new account.

[@dfsdsfdsfd8983]

​@@MarkFin9423 to be honest, i played 2 account: 1 on day1 and 1 near the end of dr.ratio free event. Except for 2 or 3 patch when I started the accounts, both give me no problem with clearing all end game contents. The reason why many people are struggling mostly is because they never properly invest on characters they already have, so they don't know what their accounts lack. And because they don't know what there account lack, they cannot pull wisely. As f2p player, I had to skip the superbreak characters entirely, but that doesn't make the game any harder. In fact, this moc is the easiest for my accounts recently (I don't care about 0 cycling).

[@pulsar9537]

Now im convinced that if any other Hoyo gacha we get to see in the future you should just save the currency for a year and then pull on whatever is still good and pull new units that are good 💀

[@asalene]

There is no "smart" pulls in hsr.U pull for Acheron, the emanator of nihilty. Hoyo poop in her support.U pull for Shaoji's gf. They release break support that buffs other breakers and now she's worse than them. How can u predict that? Is pulling for characters that every cc hyped for considered as mistake?

[@mrpokkee]

ill prove this wrong in phase 3

[@Devika2545]

What? Seriously? Acheron has long since been powercrept. A two cost Acheron team will get you nowhere with or without Jiaoqiu. My 4 cost team of Acheron(E0S1) with Jiaoqiu 4 cycled Svarog this MOC. My 2 cost Firefly team without Fugue 4 cycled the bug boss despite the trotter blessings making it inherently take more cycles. 0 cycling is much much harder now as due to the Trotters existence, they buffed the boss health by a significant amount, but new trotters only spawn every new cycle or wave. Smart pulling is pulling for good Support characters. Dr Ratio is pretty unusable right now. But if you have Robin and Sunday, He's good again all of a sudden.

[@tipithedhedhistar4132]

I liked the Bob theory. So I wanted to take to its full extent. I will use 100 pulls as a token for each limited character, 65 for a lc, and try my best to build an account similar to the one you used to clear moc 12 with the "Power crept Characters" 1.0: 213 pulls acquired. I will pick up both Seele and Jingyuan, so I have 2 strong cps's to tackle end game. 1.1: Oooh mono quantum could be good for Seele, I pick up Sw leaving us with 10 pulls left. 1.2: Easy skip none of these characters help complete my teams. (103 pulls I the bank) 1.3: Fu Xuan will help Mono Quantum so we pick her up. (119 pulls remaining) 1.4: Jingliu is broken, but I can still clear well with my current 2 dps's, I will pick up Seele lc. (131 pulls) 1.5: Huo Huo acquired. (137 pulls) 1.6: Ruan Mei acquired (140 pulls) 2.0: Ooo Sparkle will complete my mono quantum and I can get Before Dawn on JY (100 pulls left) 2.1: Acheron and Aventurine are cool but I don't need another lightning dps (221 pulls left) 2.2: Robin is game breaking with one of the best E1's. Acquired Robin e1 (127 pulls left) 2.3: Skip (240 pulls left) 2.4: Skip (328 pulls left) 2.5: Robin rerun gets e2 and s1 (266 Pulls left) 2.6: Skip (372 Pulls left) 2.7: Sunday E0 S1 pulled (290 pulls left) Notes: Even when pulling bait characters such as Silver Wolf and Sparkle I still end up with a very strong Seele and Jing Yuan account. With 290 pulls left around 3 more limited characters could be acquired. This could go towards Ruan Mei e1/ e2 or could be used to acquire a break dps like Rappa or Boothill alongside Fugue to help clear purification as this account is pretty PF weak and a break character would be amazing for apocalypse shadow. The account has some extremely powerful supports so even if I decide to not invest further into Seele/ Jing Yuan replacement cps's can come in and dominate with these supports. Yes Smart pulling can lead to a strong f2p account. (Pick up eos0 intitially and grab vertical investment later once their value has been semented.

[@xXRedZeroXx]

​@devika2545 Try swapping your teams. I 2-cycled the swarm bug with a 4-cost Acheron team with Jiaoqiu (E0S1).

[@mauriciorosademoraes9209]

Sparkle was a bad pull. It's was easy to know that just reading her kit. But most people don't know how the game works (me also in that time).

[@manuu7762]

Pokke spent the whole video explaining how players can minimise powercreep, and acknowledged there is powercreep at the very beginning. So what’s the point of the whole statement of “only if you allow it to happen” when in reality his points are just “you can minimise powercreep if you’re smart” (not with that words, but he basically explained how to be a smart posture in a gacha game). There is no way you cannot allow powercreep to happen. If your fav characters are Jingliu, Silver Wolf and Sparkle, you’re playing the game to play with them. If you have to pull new characters and use them instead what’s the point of playing in the very first place. And yes, you can pull and E1 or S1, but lets be real: would you rather have a E1S1 Jingliu with E6S5 Bronya or E0S0 Feixiao with E0S0 Robin??? The problem is when the powercreep is so huge you cannot get your fav characters stand up without a huge money investment, then is when playing this game start to don’t make sense. Why would I pull for a new unit if they’ll get so badly powercrept after two patches? I understand powercreep is necessary in gacha games, but HSR is getting out of hand with it. I still the whole end game content but I have an E2S1 Sparkle (only char I spent money on) who I can only use with Clara, and new characters apparently won’t go well with her if the leaks are true. If that happens I will stop playing this game. And I won’t care if I clear or not the end game content, I just want to play with the characters I like. That’s the point of a gacha game right?