Wuthering Waves TOPS Genshin? | Gacha Revenue June 2024

[@Rpground]

The biggest take away for me is that this shows that WuWa is a success. It does not need to beat Genshin or HSR to be a success, the fact that it's even close as it is is amazing and just goes to show that there is a playerbase that Hoyo is ignoring...and as a company, do you think they are going to leave money on the table like that? This is only a good thing...for BOTH games.

[@ThomasAndy-qu8dp]

good point. Realistically, Wuwa won't surpass GI may be ever.

[@spookynomnoms6751]

Nikke outperformed star rail one month and then they started listing CN instead of just global lol

[@kyotheman69]

Nikki lost a lot last month, but it will go up again with their summer event kicking off, the pervs will be buying bathing suit skins

[@wisastra]

if ppl still think that 45 m is not enough, then they are delutional. 45m a month is huge for a company. even higan eruthyl survived with just 50k a month.

[@Naidayo]

indeed wwww

[@shirio45]

and those are only 15 days of revenue

[@lisamarieschnee]

TOF had 26M and look at it now. People move on from gacha games all the time. Only hoyoverse games seem to retain most of its playerbase. I don't think wuwa will die soon but people will definitely lose interest in the months to come, especially with the releases of ZZZ, project mugen, arknight endfield and azur promilia.

[@wisastra]

@@lisamarieschnee People seems to forget that ToF is MMO, and the rotation of MMO games are faster than single player games. And people also forgot that ToF just doing fine with their niche market and the hard grinding MMO players.

[@lisamarieschnee]

@@wisastra Just because you see people in the world doesn't mean it's an MMO. As long as it has a gacha system, it is a gacha. To be more precise, it's a gacha game with MMO mechanics. That's why TOF is competing against other gacha games on the sensor tower charts and not against other MMOs.

[@happinintendo]

Could care less if Wuwa surpasses the Hoyo games including ZZZ as long as they consistently keep improving and maintaining a decent revenue

[@swordfucker69420]

More money means better quality, I have high hopes for WuWa also did you know that the VAs are now allowed to use their British and Scottish accents?

[@The_CodFish69]

Still said we don’t get to see the real numbers for HSR and WuWa it was such an interesting month 2. That being WuWa first full month + new banners and for HSR to see if FF could top the revenue queen herself Acheron welp we might never know…

[@thornszk]

If we ever see Firefly being expy into other hoyo games in the future, we might have an idea.

[@raweltz]

top up reset helped a lot

[@wilburweright1113]

Firefly is the only character outside Honkai trinity-face that i believe can surpass their revenue

[@oopwrong6116]

⁠Part of me dont want Acheron become second but another part i want FF success because i love her too.I’m so confused, is this what a harem MC always feel ?

[@Ikaretayaroudaze]

What happened exactly? Was there a problem for top-up during Firefly's release?

[@jjjj2260]

Bro fell off covering MidWaves

[@harfi212]

Looking how there is no hype for 1.1, he ready to jump ship on zzz

[@gemgem-hl7ii]

I still prefer Genshin. Its storytelling connects with me the most, especially the more recent character quests. And story is what matters most to me. BUT... I'm happy that it is getting beaten in revenue. (In Global at least) Well, maybe it's just because Sigewinne is just not that popular. Idk. I hope this trend in revenue will continue though. Maybe this will push them to do better with the other aspects of the game. I have already quit WuWa after playing 1.1 story and not really feeling it, but I know a lot of players liked it and I'm cheering for it.

[@vert7342]

Their archon quests has definitely been up there for sure. Excited to see what else they come up with. If stories matter more to you, you should check out the Persona series (not gacha, but rather a single player game).

[@gemgem-hl7ii]

@@vert7342 I've heard many good things about that game, and my brother has also played it on Game Pass. Unfortunately I have hundreds of games in my Steam backlog (Why am I even playing gacha games then? I wish I knew the answer as well lol), so I have "banned" myself from buying anything new at the moment, even though it's currently Steam summer sale. But yeah, thanks for the recommendation.

[@Mennion3]

It's too early to tell. Question is, can WuWa sustain it's current revenue stream and if they can grow their player base. It's still too early to tell but even on PC, the 1.1 patch still has optimization issues so that doesn't look good. Question is how much will ZZZ earn from the month of July? How much will it affect WuWa? Next few months will be very interesting.

[@gamespremier7179]

Ofc ZZZ sales will be high in july since its release thats a no brainer

[@ymw1107]

​@@gamespremier7179wuwa also released last month and it only got 20m, so it's definitely not a guarantee

[@broccoli5176]

@tokyo-sz4zd ZZZ was literally announced earlier than Wuwa. What kind of nonsense are you talking about "Hoyo is trying to compete with Wuwa with ZZZ"?

[@ixirion]

ZZZ is 60 gb at start, HSR is 45, Genshin is 80... Wuwa is 25 gb.. have fun. I will try ZZZ but most probably I will delete it after just cos I need space on my pc XDDD

[@Gheniel_]

​@@ixirion wait are u serious? 60gb on PC? Holy shiie💀

[@Мычун]

nuclear sleepy reaction

[@latitude990]

Dead patch? Chlorinde into Furina... idk about that chief, you must be talking about gameplay. Also in WuWa the whales get so much of a discount on everything cause of the strictly better gacha system. Hopefully WuWa will still keep making enough to make quality content, it's also possible that people spend more in the long run since you get more "bang for your buck."

[@gamespremier7179]

Chlorindes ult is just keqing bro like thats the 4th keqing typa character we have plus the hype around chlorinde kinda just evaporated...and furina cant say anything about that since we all know shes very sought after

[@iforgot383]

@@gamespremier7179 Didn't 90% of the genshin community say that chlorindes ult is the best ult in the game? It's not like any of the genshin kits have much going on for them compared to other games.

[@gamespremier7179]

@@iforgot383 u just ignored my point.

[@MrJceOfficial]

Clorinde's kit sucks though

[@Myosotis5255]

@@MrJceOfficial bold of you to assume casual players care about meta :D they pull for characters

[@Diomenesx]

Bro is it me or is Pokke specially unintelligible in this one

[@WiblWibl988]

It's just you

[@The_CodFish69]

Na it's you

[@chonkyboi._.]

you need a course on singlish, singapore english

[@whoizrez]

U jibai kanina

[@2bluegiraffes701]

U mean especially unintelligible

[@Heartlessi]

The fact that Wuwa has now stepped into the same realm as genshin in terms of revenue is great it doesn't reach star rail but I don't think anything will anytime soon but I think its very impressive and promising well done Kuro and keep it up :)

[@gamespremier7179]

Pretty sure no gacha game willl reach star rail terms of revenue...The team hoyo assigned to star rail is fking godly

[@MJAY552]

If I am correct, this is from mobile users only so HSR will be probably be top

[@Gheniel_]

​@@MJAY552 yes, this is mobile only.

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

@@gamespremier7179 I saw how their marketing team works, they're crazy insane

[@akifhossain5122]

✋ ABSOLUTE CINEMA 🤚

[@manih5393]

Max Milking is definitly lower in wuwa since you can buy two wavebands in shop, but the difference isnt too high as in hoyo games usually this currency gets converted to pulls. so they effectively lose 80 pulls worth of currency per whale S6ing a charcter, or 200$. Its also a lot cheaper to get R5 weapon and overall lower pity. But long term Kuro can still compensate by simply making a ton of skins like in PGR, event low spender and f2p will spend on those for their favourite characters. I really dont know why hoyo doesnt do this but WuWa definitly has options to bolster their income besides the gacha (Nier collab when?)

[@swayitocarl]

From my understanding, CN players are more closely tied to the drama than we are and if I'm not mistaken, they've been so vocal about every little thing to the point that that game is getting negative traction over there and suffering in reviews. Global, on the other hand, has such a hatred for Genshin Impact, that their desire for Genshin to get better or for a true competitor to come out has been sated with WuWa to a certain extent and thus, the performance shows. Either way, this doesnt prove anything. It just shows how the players received the game. I still have a pretty mid impression of WuWa because I was on the shit end of the stick of optimization. I'm willing to give the game a try if it tries to do something beyond being a fantasy China single player game. The new characters don't impress me and I can barely spell the first girl's name properly half the time. I'm not really interested in that, I get my yearly CN dose from Honky Bucks and Genshin's annual Lantern Rite.

[@MefoWho]

very sensible and reasonable comment. too bad we will just be clumped up with the genshin fanboy and hoyo asskisser club

[@MefoWho]

@@Yoyo-sy5kl well we will see if natlan does anything (cant wait for people to use t he "ww lost 15 days of its critical yinlin revenue")

[@analoque2412]

@@Yoyo-sy5kl Plz give source to your "60% on PC" data.

[@khanhakim899]

@@Yoyo-sy5kl pfft wuwa player always delusional, look kid, GI always won best partner awards in playstation every years, thats mean Genshin has high income on that console alongside to other AAA games, Your words are clearly just assumptions, not facts..dont cry please :(

[@neptineauras6879]

It may have gotten hate in cn, but it recovering currently, mobile score went from 4.5 to 6.0 on bilibili, and I know this because I interact with alot on cn side

[@HonkaiBane]

Poor 4.6 update. I will never forget how Sumeru got shrinken.

[@hxnslshhax9011]

Play the Love and Deepspace for content 😂

[@JJKMagic]

We have to keep in mind that this is still Kuro Games, and PGR is one of the F2P-friendliest games out there. They make at best 2 Millions per month, maybe 5 if they have a VERY good banner, but they never changed their F2P features and keep releasing free 5 stars regularly. And even after the WuWa 1.0 revenue, which was pretty meager due to all the issues, Kuro said they were POSITIVELY surprised and the results EXCEEDED their expectations. I think Kuro is perfectly happy with their revenue, maybe not with the lack of support from CN but with the overall revenue regardless. If anything Kuro needs to transfer their insane skins into WuWa and up their revenue that way because high quality models and animations are their big strenght and make up a big part of their PGR revenue to balance out the fact that their game is so generous by gacha standards.

[@conquerofdemon5339]

Put ur chair a little left , I can't see aboba behind u

[@Radiant450]

Big jumps like the FF/Mei first 5 days were gone which is a shame, thats when all the whales come to dump their money. Wuwa still doing amazing, and I expect even better once Changli launches because her fanbase is bigger than Jinhsi (we all know why) so thats something to look forward to. Other wuwa juggernauts like Scar and Camellya too will make big waves (no pun intended)

[@vjbd2757]

Scar and Camellya will Wuther my Waves

[@rerollplayer8908]

Yeah hsr could probably reach 150m in sales if the problem didn't occur.

[@Radiant450]

@@rerollplayer8908 highly doubt since that surpasses even Acheron, and Acheron as popular as she is had the biggest buff a banner can get: top up reset, so even low spenders were throwing cash at hoyo. Also Acheron’s LC is nigh on mandatory unless you have GNSW, so the LC banner was also doing numbers, FF LC is like 10-15% better than Aeon?

[@rerollplayer8908]

@@Radiant450 that just goes to show how popular firefly is, even without the reset she still manage to earn that much. Also the first few days are the most important because that's the time whales spend all their money.

[@Radiant450]

@@rerollplayer8908 yep thats what I said, however I do not believe she can overtake Acheron, simply because of the massive buff that is top up reset. I do believe however if FF/Mei banner launched with a top up reset, it easily overtakes Acheron.

[@zedeon6299]

wuwa PC vs mobile is argument is valid, because majority global player plays on PC while in CN is mobile, looking at global revenue higher than CN, PC revenue is probably higher than HSR and genshin

[@Vandalieu]

I doubt it, apparently the PC store has issues so people are using the mobile version to pay for items, since it's easier quicker and safer to just use the playstore instead.

[@Gheniel_]

​@@Vandalieu I never had any problems with the PC store. Majority of ppl play on PC, do you really think they would let the PC shop with problems? Idk the argument doesnt really add up.

[@Vandalieu]

@@Gheniel_ just because you didn't have problems it doesn't mean plenty of other people didn't. There have been people forced to use the playstore because the PC versions don't even work.

[@Gheniel_]

@@Vandalieu so these very dumb devs, basically telling people to not spend on their game, nice

[@Vandalieu]

@@Gheniel_ man are you stupid, I'm not saying they don't want want people spending on their game but that they messed up their payment and people have been forced to use the play store to pay for items meaning that PC sales aren't as big as people might think.

[@naonaomika1]

CN had become the biggest market for Steam since late 2023, the phone/PC arguement is invalid

[@alacrityml]

For mobile: 1. Optimize the settings: even though I'm using an iPad m1 air, with very low graphics + 60fps, it's just borderline working. If I up it to low graphics, it's overheating 2. Add controller ffs 3. They need to fix the random sound issues, glitches and bugs on mobile. I don't see PC players complaining much about these 3 things since the new patch came out 4. They need to understand that a majority of players play on mobile, and most have 2 devices (eg PC + mobile, where they use PC at home and mobile while commuting).

[@stormer2349]

Seeing this video and its thumbnail now is funny, because Genshin global is actually above WuWa Global by 2 million. Yet I assume it will be dismissed and people won’t realise it. The data that ST gives on the first few days, they normally update. Looking at it a week or two later is generally more accurate.

[@thomaskennedy5728]

And another factor is that genshin is in filler patch and had most awaited character two months ago.

[@MrSquishy0]

We should be happy the game performed this well, the competition doesnt matter I say this is a massive W

[@member.5290]

"CN full of incels and hoyoshills" this chatter probably tearing his hairs while looking in charts 💀

[@Gheniel_]

Half right half wrong

[@Brother_Zeke]

i mean... hes not wrong either.. but the main reason for the low rev was that its highly unoptimized on mobile which is a huge market in china they have more mobile players than pc players infact

[@Gheniel_]

@@Brother_Zeke from what I know ww has more pc players and genshin/hsr has more mobile players, if thats what u meant.

[@Brother_Zeke]

@@Gheniel_ no what i meant was china itself has more mobile players than pc players

[@Gheniel_]

@@Brother_Zeke ok that makes sense, asia audience is mostly mobile players. Sorry for misunderstanding your point.

[@Xaiqaa]

I'm glad to see wuthering waves doing well. This game quickly took my heart the characters and everything is so cool and my favorite part is that the ability to fly isn't locked behind an element its actually so refreshing. its like saying the gray bird cant fly but the green one can that is so annoying.

[@PyriteZ]

Weapon banner is guarantee with two free resonance chains in shop, whales will be spending less in wuwa so they will have a hard time to win the hoyoverse in terms of revenue. For those who are still coping that whales will still spend the same amount of money like in genshin/hsr... telling us they are being mintpicker without saying it I guess.

[@HonkaiBane]

Whales will spend more later. It's just 1.0. In early days even genshin was free from grind, useless constellations and weapons.

[@LuisBrito-ly1ko]

You forget something in this equation and it’s that WuWa has a far smaller player base than both HSR and Genshin. As the player base grows, those numbers may increase.

[@MgMg-mn5qs]

GG. WuWa. They truly deserve the respect. It is a win win for both client and Dev.

[@LoathsomeWhiner]

I wonder why chat went with resounding “no” on whether it’s good time to start Arknights… In a month, or so there should be a Lunar New Year limited banner, and after it, at around September - Rainbow 6 Siege collab. So, from standpoint of preparation - it’s an okay-ish time to start.

[@kNoa7]

in contrast to your point about kuro needing to worry about maintaining their chinese players above all else, the fact that they had a stronger performance on global would be more beneficial no? if wuthering waves is so f2p friendly as we’ve all seen, then it’s important for the game to appeal to MORE players rather than trying overly hard to maintain every CN player. with WuWa being more popular on global, the company can take more outside perspectives from global player feedback which could culminate into an overall well-rounded game. pretty likely that this is why less receptive companies find their games running stagnant. that’s just my ‘big picture’ perspective on your opinion ofc.

[@FreecellZlo]

no, cos global players not so "fanatic"

[@guidomista5738]

Regarding free copies of 5* firstly I thought it as a great thing comparing my previous experience to E1/E2 Neuvillette or E2 Acheron etc but honestly now I think it's a bad model for both devs and us as consumers. Have you noticed that almost all good upgrades start from 3rd coppy after E/S/R1-2. First 2 coppies are significantly weaker than the rest, it's bad for us bc even after playing almost since launch I still can't buy a single copy of standard 5* and limited even more expensice and if you want a good value you'd like to start from 3rd copy so you need to gather them for a long time or enjoy firstly insignificant dupes. For devs it's not good bc they have to design character power up with an idea in mind that first 2 coppies are "free". There will never be E2 Acheron case, I doubt they'll ever give more power to first copies than mere 10ish %. Also I don't think they'd think "we're too generous so we'll change it back", no they'll just make it even less valuable with new characters. Like wtf is second copy of Jihnsi, the only thing it does is making her first rotation feel like 2nd. Basically it costs the same price as making your E0 Acheron into E2.

[@lordtouchme5735]

Thing is those revenue chart were also frozen so it is not accurate enough. Sinche jhensi also launched mostle between those frozen period , i think wuthering wave would have been top.

[@mertdundar7659]

Thats just mobile/ios revenue for Snowbreak. Devs said %70 of revenue comes from PC. Also this was a chill patch. Anniversary is this month and this patch gonna break the peoples wallet inclueing me LOL.

[@momox22917]

Honeymoon phase 🎉

[@Zero_Li24]

30:00 based CN, they understand how lame jiyan's writing was 🗿

[@heyohworld4067]

Pokke with a rare Dentge take. A game that plays better on mobile is going to have a larger distribution of their playerbase as mobile players because that's the largest demographic. You can see why it matters in your own video where Global Wuwa outplaced Global Genshin because the the vast majority of CN gamers are mobile gamers where as there is a slightly more even distribution of players in global.

[@Tigrion]

Thin foil hat off hmm i wonder why exactly this month the censor tower didn't work for 15 days hmmmmm i wonder that being said yea Wuwa performed as expected better than Genshin and HSR is currently at the top

[@JayceRustia]

What did some of the haters says its skill issue playing HSR cause it's turn based ? Ahhh yes $91 M

[@traplegend5065]

Clorinde and furina rerun is NOT a dead patch at all lmao. Unless the not conuting part didnt count furina rerun it could just be clorinde

[@acerola______1376]

even furina helping :skull: jinhsi 16day left tho

[@kyotheman69]

not sure Clorinde that well, i have feeling this could be Furina that spiked it.

[@nolol5445]

clorinde is definitely a dead character, she wasn't important to the story at all and shes not meta. the only thing ppl pulled her for is her looks

[@handukhansum8393]

Clorinde is just another keqing with big aboba & she is just a side characters, furina rerun char so yeah Its a dead patch

[@MJAY552]

Nah Clorindes release was horrible

[@Aeroph]

16:27 Two Rythm games violated by MrPokke is crazyy

[@tiasm919]

Because money cant fix skill issue (me included)

[@BugCatLove]

All these numbers are wrong this month, unfortunately.😢

[@ameerr0812]

tops by 1 million lmao...got shit by cn player

[@StillÆJedi]

I taught they only got data for the first 15 days of the month

[@razergarcia6323]

browndust 2 has pvp btw... and MASSIVE nuclear bombs

[@qualitealol1969]

they r working on a honkai mmo which is in its early stages so be ready for tht to sweep the entire industry

[@Naidayo]

imagine if hoyoverse made a candy crush saga game

[@Antithesis_72]

5:24 the disrespect to gods gift to gacha gaming, BBS. Klab has the bleach IP by a chokehold with the manga and novel licenses so no other games can be made for it otherwise. But 700k is nice for a very very f2p friendly gacha game.

[@robertjif6337]

I'm just happy wuwa and hsr doing well, team can grow thus more content our girlfriend sales got hit by nihility but still make more than 2 other games combined

[@victoriakitty520]

My Guardian Tales 😢❤❤❤❤ uwu

[@xcaptcha]

Even for pc players I think lot of people still purchase from phone

[@Reialine]

I prefer to purchase from pc since you dont have to pay extra fees to google store, which is around 3-6% extra than just paying directly in the pc client.

[@gamespremier7179]

Whaling on phones is harder

[@ethernet764]

I play mostly on PC but I bought battlepass on ipad because of integration with apple pay

[@idontspeakjapanese6289]

I think that's the very reason why Wuwa's sales nosedived in China, considering that majority of the players there are mobile users not to mention that the CN community is Hoyo's playground for years

[@gamespremier7179]

@@idontspeakjapanese6289 Currently the CN people seem pretty happy wit 1.1 so id say the CN side of things is definitely improving

[@handukhansum8393]

So hsr can reach 100m if the page didnt get froze?

[@jaloy9325]

Estimated 130m-150m, possible outselling Acheron

[@ymw1107]

​@@jaloy9325where do they source their estimate from?

[@peak1824]

more most whale spent on first day of banner

[@jimmynguyen5794]

not the revue starlight diss eango gonna fight you poki. it is his whale game that he spent 90% of his life on

[@aintoni5147]

COUNTERSIDE! nice to see the games doing well. Still playing up to this point

[@Myth1cArts-ij1bv]

"Wuwa fans not comparing themselves to Genshin to feel better" challenge: Impossible

[@ys3606]

But their home CN fanbase doesnt seem to do that well.

[@soraru.666]

28:38 What are you talking about, easier games like genshin and hsr will get more players on mobile.

[@RandomLelouchFan]

*Casual game coz not everyone has the time to grind endlessly for echoes and tryhard against bosses

[@lifelessgamingmy]

I think wuwa just should double down on global

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

The funny thing is WuWa in May revenue is only 1 week June revenue is 4 week and WuWa only can double the 1 week revenue ? in 4 week revenue😂😂

[@Idk_imagine_a_cool_name]

You know the first week or two for this kind of games is generally the most profitable right? Also all of this stats are incomplete this month since for whatever reason the system froze for 15 days (the biggest wuwa banner was in those 15 days)

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

@@Idk_imagine_a_cool_name yeah more excuse, what excuse for next month ?, Natlan ? All wuwa player already all in at jinhsi and changli banner ? Male char is not interesting ?

[@Idk_imagine_a_cool_name]

@@Kaien-qf6cr bro are you fucking crazy or just a child? What even is your point? For a gatcha game doing better in the second month than n the first 1.5 weeks is great in itself. It’s also the 3rd best grossing gatcha according to this data, so…. Also excuses? I understand you lack text comprehension skills, but fucking read

[@Dan24305]

WuWaGod 🔥

[@ShadowAngelS2K]

Keep in mind this is mobile only, WuWa is mostly PC players right now

[@kiuhh1118]

Keep in mind wuwa doesn't have ps releases like genshin and hsr. Holy goalpost moving.

[@ignatius1078]

15 days of downtime should also be considered

[@TacticalDimples]

@@kiuhh1118 it’s not really goalpost moving… it’s a given that HoYo games will outperform WuWa because of their dedicated fanbase and top notch marketing. But it’s fair to say that WuWa’s playerbase are mostly PC because of poor mobile optimization and lack of PlayStation release, it’s heavily holding them back from competing with HoYo.

[@flakey9155]

keep in mind most of the market in CN and JP are MOBILE players(JP is most of global's revenue). holy cope

[@analoque2412]

Keep in mind that the 'WuWa players mostly play on PC' statement doesn't contain any data that can be used as a reference.

[@definitelynotatroll777]

Oh no the waves are not wuthering in China lol

[@HK-sx1go]

Genshin dead patch with Clorinde and Furina ? What are bro talking about ?

[@kiuhh1118]

Furina banner didn't count in because of freeze so its only inflated clorinde banner

[@BrillianceThesis]

Furina literally one of the top 3, for me personally i would put her top 1 characters because how op she is.

[@su3t]

@@kiuhh1118 yeah freeze in both furina and jinhsi banner so I hope we can have other sources apart from sensor tower.

[@vietanh2101]

yeah Genshin is in filler patch and the attention has always been low for these patches. New region is coming and I would say the playerbase will most likely come back to the original number, if it is as good as Fontaine and Sumeru

[@reezwave]

26:15 Bro.. you make me miss AOT again😭😭😭

[@HeshO-yi3hh]

Genshin fell of moment

[@carismo9502]

I can believe it lmao

[@reezwave]

HSR stay winning😎

[@Kevin-rv8br]

🍞

[@AungThuKhaZaw]

Just wait for changli. I’m dropping a fat load of money for her and Kuro. XD

[@thegoldexperience8340]

Lol

[@skele1557]

😂

[@nightstar475]

Wuwa can make a lot more if they show pc revenue, pc is where people play wuwa, not phone

[@mseebh]

insane.

[@Astamingo]

Saying that "The PC player argument is such a cope cope reason" is either ignorance or straight up casual asthma inhaler consumer ahh take. Like how many people in the World are playing idk fkn Call of Duty on mobile compared to PC/Console ?? Taking the compability/bugs reason aside, this game is not targetting the same audience, STRAIGHT UP. In the most neutral way respectfully genuinely, Astamingo. PS : Wuwa made ON PC more than the double of the amount of money they made on mobile.

[@Kaien-qf6cr]

Keep cope man

[@Astamingo]

@@Kaien-qf6cr Alright sport, thx for the advice

[@lukedarks1272]

And the source for this info is? Trust me bro? In addiction to this, you also forget that genshin and star rail are also played on playstation (genshin in particular). This argument is a bit copium because you don't really have any number to support your claims, you just let your feelings speak for you

[@Astamingo]

You’re either ignorant or you’re just being a moron. The very vast majority of the players are mobile players when it comes to Genshin impact, here’s the stat : 6M+ daily mobile players over 10M daily players (4M = PC/Consoles). Source for the datas : Esport, Prioridata And for the « trust me bro » source, since you’re too lazy to make them researches on your own, here they are : $110M+ ($40M = mobile / +70M$ = PC) gameworldobserver, app2top, neogaf Next time instead trying to call out people contemptuously while being ignorant, make your researches and then try to cook. Being that disrespectful while being wrong is madder than fiction.

[@Astamingo]

​@@lukedarks1272 You're either ignorant or you're just being a m o ro n. The very vast majority of Genshin Impact players are mobile players, here's the stat and the source : 6M+ daily mobile players over 10M total daily players (+60% mobile players, 30-40% console+PC players). Source for those datas : Esport, Prioridata And for the "trust me bro" source, since you're too lazy to make them researches on your own, here they are; Datas : $110M+ total revenues ($40M = iOS&Android/ $70M = PC) Source : Gameworldobserver, app2data, neogaf,... Next time instead of trying to call people out contemptuously, make sure you're not ignorant to avoid turning towards farce. Being that disrespectful while being ignorant AND wrond is madder than fiction.

[@osher2738]

i am trumen

[@vietanh2101]

Genshin is in in filler patch and Wuwa did really well for patch 1.1 with crazy promotions and designs for Yinlin and Jhinsi. But I would say we need to wait for 3-4 months if Wuwa can keep this up. I still do feel more positive for the game future compared to the beginning of 1.0

[@Radiant450]

Filler patch doesn’t really mean much when it comes to revenue, playtime maybe but revenue is through banners, and genshin is having a behemoth of a banner with Furina rerun. I think there is a slight chance wuwa overtakes genshin and even less likely with HSR, but wuwa would need a big launch like say Scar or Camellya and HSR and GI have weaker reruns and banners overall (which seems likely, unless hsr reruns acheron, thats the only unit they can rerun now and make a big wave).

[@KadaEklund]

​@@Radiant450 It means a lot tbh. Players are more tempted to put money when theres more stuff going on. Also Furina already sold a lot in her first run and players were saving primos for 4.7, hoyo was just stupid to delay her that much, since the characters players wanted the most were Arle (as the sales proved) and maybe Clorinde. But regarding the topic, Genshin can be bad as it wants that would be hard to lose on long term, they really need to go stupid to start losing, but Wuwa will perform well, most people ignore how many really garbage gacha games perform well and even ToF is around. The only way to wuwa underperform is bad management and/or ZZZ becomes way better than everyone's expectation, which i doubt tbh.

[@Radiant450]

@@KadaEklund not really though, whales will whale regardless of content, they care about the character, not the current story or content, maybe the character’s story but not whatever else is happening atm. Thing is also with Furina is she has bait cons, C1 and C2 are pretty strong so people can still go for that. Side note: I don’t think ZZZ is a threat to wuwa though? They aren’t the same genre, and ZZZ has a bit a bad reputation now too sadly because I believe the game has potential and isn’t as lame as some say it is, the designs sure don’t appeal to everyone and I agree some designs are whatever. I guess Wuwa really needs to turbo throw for them to fail, but I still think Changli and other hyped units will act as means to keep it afloat basically lol.

[@MJAY552]

​@@Radiant450well if it's fuller patch then players will be playing other games more. Clorinde's release was so dry and horrible only few people pulled her and in mobile users it's even worse. And they already spent their primogems on Arlecchino so saving primogems in this filler patch was a good choice. I'd say that revenue mostly comes from Furina's rerun and not definitely not Sigewinne who is just probably the worst limited 5 star. The difference of the revenue isn't that much so it's still a bit early, we'll see in few months.

[@Radiant450]

@@MJAY552 I mean Arle patch wasnt the most full either, we got possibly one of the smallest areas ever and her story quest, this time we got our Dainsleif archon quest and new abyss with the 800 primos + imaginarium, so it isnt even that dry compared to Arle patch, Arle sold better because she was teased way earlier than Chlorinde and people also like “villains” and harbingers have a very strong following from the fanbase, besides hoyo hooked her tf up with marketing, gave her an animated short even lol (iirc thats a first of its kind for a character too?)

[@shaka2tu]

China market is mobile phones. But wuwa is brick in mobile. And they stealth nerf my jianxin jiggles. They will nerf Changli next.

[@fashyakupercent20]

bruh, at least they didn't nerf Jianxin booba size. Thats the most important For changli, she has the same model as Baizhi so no nerf for her

[@shaka2tu]

@@fashyakupercent20 if they can stealth nerf one thing, you think they cant stealth nerf other in the future. I will go complete f2p from now, lost my trust.

[@tinyknott]

Genshin released the most tragic attempt at copying Simulated Universe I've ever seen. Heck, WuWa's SU clone was 1000 times better than the trash Genshin made...... What were they thinking? Can only use the same character twice? Almost no powerups and the few you get are boring af. UI navigating all the time. It's a masterclass in poor game design, and both HSR and WuWa has shown how it's done properly already. I think all the talented devs that worked on Genshin have left either for HSR or ZZZ. I'm probably dropping Genshin down to "event cash-in only" once ZZZ releases. WuWa has way better combat, and the devs there seem willing to develop the formula and make it better. Genshin has stagnated hard.

[@Kimiruan]

And that event being able to reset in 30 days is tragic 😢

[@FreecellZlo]

wuwa just copied elysian realm, not su. And new genshin mode not close for any of it.

[@feyandhisstuff9888]

New genshin mode is not a su KEKL. You freak if you think about every choose where to go mechanic as a rogue like mechanic. In genshin theatre you don’t even have meta progression because it’s a just new endgame fighting mode with a just non usual arena fights design

[@vjbd2757]

There was a sensor tower freeze apparently. Also there was a problem with the S. Korea revenue computation for WuWa as well so the actual mobile revenue is very likely higher than what's displayed. Also WuWa has a way higher ratio of PC to Mobile players compared to Genshin and HSR so the total revenue is much higher.

[@free_manipur_from_india]

Wuwa also has 3 banners revenue for this month because they pushed 1.1 forward.

[@mayukhmondal5552]

Way higher pc players...and your source for that is???

[@dedd2981]

​@@mayukhmondal5552ww literally being unplayable on 80% of mobile devices 💀

[@mayukhmondal5552]

@@dedd2981 .......again where is this coming from? I run it on a 200 dollar phone from last year and it runs fine. Like 18 stars on TOA at UL 40 kinda fine. Not the best ,but definitely not unplayable by any means. A friend of mine plays on a 2020 flagship , and I know many such people who don't own the most cutting edge phones and run the game fine, well , obviously there are a lot who can't But on the other hand I have seen a fair share of people who have problems on 12-1400 $ PCs/laptops too, even as of 1.1 I am a part of quite a few WuWa circles and in my experience the game is playing pretty evenly on phones and PCs , and both communities have people who are facing issues .

[@ymw1107]

​@@dedd2981and your source on that 80% is? Where do you get that number from? But I do agree with you wuwa optimization is absolute dogshit on mobile.

[@EloyBushida]

Wuwa will never top the hoyo games, especially not hsr.

[@nightstar475]

Yeah but that doesnt matter does it? Or does it not fit your narrative that the game didnt die in a month? Or we keep moving goalpost?

[@EloyBushida]

@@nightstar475 LMAO you out here fighting ghosts huh bro? I'm literally playing the fucking game right now you dolt. Its a fine game. Imagine being this defensive over a fucking gacha game lmao 🤣🤣🤣 obviously it fucking matters to you!

[@arvandor6820]

Huh, I find the Arknights hate fascinating. I think the game is amazing, personally me, and the most f2p friendly game I have EVER played, by a HUUUUGE margin.

[@batboy555]

I liked it.

[@mertdundar7659]

It has trash gatcha. The main reason I quit.

[@LoathsomeWhiner]

@@mertdundar7659they added guarantees on single character banners at 150 pulls. Not great, but something.

[@arvandor6820]

@@mertdundar7659 Really? I've always found the 6% drop no pity to be way kinder to me than the 0.6% with a pity. I've spent WAAAAYYYY less to get all the characters I want in Arknights than in any other gacha. By... Like... an entire digit. Dupes are also way less meaningful, which is nice.

[@mertdundar7659]

@@arvandor6820 I guess my luck sucked pretty hard on Arknights. I currently play Eversoul, Snowbreak, HSR, Wuwa and Blue Archive. Other than BA other games have much better gatcha than Arknights. Even Wuwa and HSR which like you said under %1 rate works much better than Arknights. Arknights gatcha is kind of like BA and priconne where offrate chance is much more than rateup. Tbf the only game with best gatcha is Snowbreak where there is %100 banners on both Weap and character. And you can get every limited character in the game.

[@kousakasan7882]

You need to add a column that shows the 6 month average.

[@kyotheman69]

biggest shock how much Arknights went down from 46M May to like 18M or less wtf? shocked Hi3 still making money, E7 isn't do much they use too.

[@fateani4241]

Anniversary happened that's why it was so high

[@pramanakumalaputra507]

It's Arknights, they're used to it. With how they designed limited banners, it's supposed to happen especially on the 5th anniversary where they release really OP limited character a.k.a Wis'adel.

[@arcsoulphantom2678]

Anniversary patch be like that but tbf 10M is still not bad. Ak stays consistent and the massive lore drops during anniversary and story chapters

[@mleong75]

HI3 has a dedicated fanbase, same as PGR. It probably has one of the best gacha stories I've experienced. HI3 Part2 trended number 1 on Bilibili recently, due to the latest chpt being peak. HI3 released way ahead of its time, and if you compare it to rest of the gachas on the market, it plays better than 90% of them. Afterall it is a flagship Hoyo game. The quality is there.

[@stevenys234]

HI3 latest chapter is fucking awesome, they still cooking

[@Misterirrelevant]

People calling Clorinde and a Furina banner filler patch is some grade A cope from the Hoyo fan boys lmfao The truth is WW is here to stay and the gachagaming sub reddit hates to see it.

[@Cytryz]

It is a filler patch. Filler patches refer to the patches where there is not significant content drop such as region, sub area of said region, and the major story quests that usually happen in the early patches of a version. Or in Sumeru’s unique situation the drop of a new element. This doesn’t mean the content is not good, it’s just not at “that” level in quantity/quality of the premier updates.

[@gamespremier7179]

​@@CytryzEvery genshin patch is basically a filler patch by that definition since theres barely any content anyways...plus filler patches dont affect revenue since its strictly from banner sales

[@Cytryz]

@@gamespremier7179 sure if you omit everything I just said.

[@KizMyAzz]

sadly we cant determine the actual revenue of wuwa since sensory tower have a freezing problem for the first 15 days in june making the first 15 day of june revenue didnt apply. wuwa would had a bigger revenue since that was yinlin banner.. im pretty sure most of that profit was on jhinsi banner which isnt really as popular than yinlin

[@HSRFirefly]

its not the first 15 days of june but a total of 15 days of june. u probably heard from tectone regarding that but he said it wrongly. example of timeframes are June 8-11 then June 18-23. Firefly was released on 18.

[@flakey9155]

@@HSRFirefly it was june 8 to 11 and june 14 to 24