Mrs. America | Ep. 4: Betty vs. Phyllis Highlight | FX

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Mrs. America recounts the movement to ratify the Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) and the unexpected backlash led by Phyllis Schlafly, aka “the sweetheart of the silent majority.” Through the eyes of the women of the era, the FX series explores how one of the toughest battlegrounds in the culture wars of the 70s helped give rise to the Moral Majority and forever shifted the political landscape.
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Mrs. America | Ep. 4: Betty vs. Phyllis Highlight | FX
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[@HipsterBlood]

They used the actual transcript from this debate that wasn't televised for the show. Betty's outburst made headlines. lol

[@jonathansum9084]

Could you show me the proof?

[@HipsterBlood]

Give them both Emmys! WOW!!!

[@Vela21]

This was a master class! Blanchett and Ullman brought it!

[@pattigee1]

Just bravo! Two seasoned performers each with their own accolades and experience showed their many talents and skills in acting. So very well done, whether based on the accuracy or not of the debate. I feel privileged to have seen this performance. Thank you.

[@ENGlishJELLo-yk7up]

When Betty Friedan and Gloria Steniem open their mouth the devil is like "These Medusa's are putting me out of a job!"

[@babsfreeburg6400]

It happened betty always stuck her foot in her mouth. Phyllis was passive aggressive and knew how to get to her.

[@arthurmaestrini4350]

Miss Schlafly was awsome!

[@KatherineNaumenko]

I hope you don't blame Phyllis for Betty's mistakes.

[@polin1710]

@@arthurmaestrini4350 she was a hypocrite

[@arthurmaestrini4350]

​@@polin1710why?

[@LBM01028]

@@arthurmaestrini4350 Mrs. Schlafly, she was married.

[@melmingin8445]

Tracy Ullman should have won the Emmy ! AMAZING!!!!

[@micahsnow346]

“You simply cannot legislate universal sympathy for the middle-aged woman” - ouch

[@edwing8895]

White women at that, liberal White women always want to poison non-White people into their misery.

[@TranzVangal]

Lmfao 😂😂😂😂😂😂 the woman that plays Betty Tracy ulman hahahaha hilarious.

[@oldcrone]

I love Tracy Ullman. Kate Blanchette too.

[@reginaldsawyer2945]

She didn't call Phyyllis Schlafly a witch, she actually called her a b...th and shut her up and shut her down real quick,you Betty Friedan.

[@fu40000]

The most bitter of truths are most often preferable to the sweetest of lies because no matter what it is, truth indoors without help but lies erode if not pushed😅

[@Nicool333]

Great acting

[@juicyjessica2298]

Betty was more chill in the interview. I respected her more sitting in the chair as a boss lol

[@juicyjessica2298]

@Ian Bradford alright alright. where’s the chill balance to check who’s more chill lol

[@melanieannette3781]

I will say I’m a conservative in 2021. I am not sure I’m exactly Republican because I’ve voted for different people depending on the issue, but I am a Christian and definitely have more conservative views about the roles of women and men. Granted, the responsibility on men in my view is huge. They don’t get to go around not taking care of their family or treating women badly by any means. I’m not going to try and debate anybody here I just wanted to explain where I’m coming from and also say I’ve listened to both of these real women and I think it’s important to consider what the feminist movement did get right. I don’t really agree with much of what Betty Friedan wrote, but I certainly think she was a woman worthy of respect. So was Phyllis. I can see both their sides. I actually would appreciate more debates like this stuff today but people don’t seem to want to do debates in this sense as often. Usually, people just won’t even talk to the other side for fear of “giving them a platform” or something. We should be allowed to speak our minds, even if the opinion isn’t popular. I may have to watch this one if it’s still available.

[@edwing8895]

I’m a Democrat alright, but I’ll say I’m part of the 15% conservative demographic in my party, and if the ERA comes to haunt us, I’ll literally will volunteer for anti-ERA organizations.

[@manueldg5177]

@@edwing8895 you are a man

[@edwing8895]

@@manueldg5177 ERA will legalize abortion on demand up until birth (no restrictions) and at taxpayer expense. No way, I’m going to let that happen.

[@pdxcorgidad]

Speak your mind all you want. Just expect us to remind you of your agreement and alignment with Phyllis Schlafly.

[@melanieannette3781]

@@pdxcorgidad I’m just talking about the general way in which we interact with one another, so it wouldn’t necessarily have anything to do with this exact conversation. Pointing out that someone’s views align with someone else’s in history is also fair discussion, but again you’ve gotta be willing to be corrected when the facts don’t hold up. I know this movement wasn’t always respectful, but even so I’d say with social media and political division and job pressure, we’ve gotten much worse as a society about even seeing each other as people.

[@alexmanolopoulos1873]

The fact that she used her husband's affair on her like that in a debate just shows how low she was. The fact that the audience didn't gasp at that was astoundingly ridiculous.

[@jacobrodriguez7771]

HAhahahahahaha!!!!!

[@ViguLiviu]

You know that didn't happen irl right?

[@TacoBoy-qc4jh]

The way you took everything from this show as real now let’s have some real critical thinking

[@SurrealisticSlumbers]

Lol. Betty didn't know the phrase, Don't take the bait.

[@sadem1045]

I'm ashamed to say that Ullman (the brunette) has been me on occasion in KZbin comment sections. Huh, maybe I should be proud.

[@ConcealedCarrier]

Can anyone point me to a similar debate featuring Gloria Steinem? Or failing that, any archival footage of her speaking to or taking questions from a marginally hostile audience? I’m trying to prove she isn’t a lightweight grifter and it’s hard!

[@babsfreeburg6400]

I don't remember them ever debating. Gloria would have been harder to beat.

[@ConcealedCarrier]

@@babsfreeburg6400 Again - I'm looking, but I cannot find a debate or even a rigorous discussion featuring Gloria Steinem. I've watched a lot of her speeches and read as much of her work as I can stand and by all appearances, the woman is a half-wit! Can anyone help me?!

[@jewelnavia3567]

@@ConcealedCarrier Phyllis Schlafly and Gloria Steinem in real life never debated each other or even met one another during their lifetime..... In fact, Gloria Steinem has actually criticized Mrs. America and during the ERA Debate, Gloria would try to avoid debating or even talking about Phyllis....

[@karenhenson8532]

Gloria was too afraid to debate Phyllis and refused all requests

[@ulfur3541]

Gloria didn't want to/ refused to debate phyllis because she knew she would lose so sadly there are no archives of them debating

[@chriskelley7979]

4:22 case in point for Phyillis

[@mikeking9061]

Is this suppose to represent a different debate? The audience? The host?

[@toddparke8535]

They're both in the astral plane now. Next time they'll each take the other's side.

[@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247]

girls...women! women! here's a thought - some prefer one over another I was a 20 something and I called my friends all adults - "the boys" get over first world "problems"

[@jacobrodriguez7771]

Christian vs. Jew ..... Christian was right....

[@anneb889]

I don’t get what’s so wrong with Phyllis’s view- she says women can work if they choose, be housewives and mothers if they choose, or do both if they choose.

[@fishy9465]

Actually! She believed many homophobic and racist things.

[@anneb889]

Arty_ Curiosity Well, I’m focusing on the woman’s rights specifically. I imagine in the 70s many middle aged religious people were homophobic. The approval of gay marriage in the country wasn’t til the next century. I don’t know her thoughts on race, in the series she seemed to be uncomfortable with the one woman who kept bringing up race issues. Times change, and I think it’s arrogant how we judge people in the past. People want to cancel Washington or Jefferson because they owned slaves. Can’t we carry two thoughts in our brains at once? We can be disgusted by slavery and still recognize there would be no USA without the founders such as Washington and Jefferson. In a 100 years whose to say people won’t be judging us and thinking we are horrible people because we did X or believed Z?

[@fishy9465]

@@anneb889 Appropriating their behaviour? Huh.

[@lanak3674]

Nothing wrong with Mrs. Schlafly's viewpoint in affirming that women can be full-time housewives or working women. She says in episode 1 that she voted (or supported) a law securing women's protection from discrimination in the workforce. She simply believed that the ERA went too far because it WOULD create a gender-neutral society and take away a woman's traditional privileges. How is that wrong???

[@karenhenson8532]

You don’t understand it because it’s completely and utterly and accurate. Research for yourself, be a freethinking person and find out the actual truth. You can see some of the debates on KZbin.

[@heatseekerx51]

Phyllis completely BTFO's Betty in every exchange I've seen with them.

[@pdxcorgidad]

But it doesn't make her right.

[@pdxcorgidad]

@@Iobsterpeterson lol sorry not sorry for calling out a Burcher.

[@pdxcorgidad]

@@Iobsterpeterson Lol you're out here defending her and didn't even know she was a Burcher. Wow you folks need to read more.

[@alexmanolopoulos1873]

No she did not!

[@uzuegbunamb]

I saw an exchange with both of them (they were both sitting), Betty was not as presented in the show. She was pretty chill and sounded more like an elderly woman trying to make a child see the errors of their ways.

[@mr0-fukspoliticallyincorre247]

sending women into battle is pure INSANITY communications, pilots maybe - on the ground in the frontline - is as non-sensical as saying - just don't send anyone to war.....

[@capture_diaries]

True. Not to mention the kind of toll military training has on a woman's body. Both genders experience broken bones and muscle aches and PTSD, but only women lose their periods, a greater amount of essential fat, and in some cases, the ability to have children after they leave service.

[@DerekOfRivia]

Schlafly was a great women. Only found out about her in her very old age. So many women these days are lost because they've been pulled in by that cult of misery she mentions.

[@giovannanetto7682]

You should worry about the problems of our still misogynistic and sexist society! The feminism movement aims to free women everywhere from men's oppressive thumb! And also aim to free men from toxic masculinity! This the 21th century, deal with it!

[@manueldg5177]

No she wasn’t

[@nopenope7572]

Dammit Her brainwashing passive aggressive bitching transcends throughout centuries

[@arthurmaestrini4350]

​@@manueldg5177 she really was

[@pdxcorgidad]

LMAO no but of course a couple of white men think so.

[@NoNameNo.5]

Thank God the right won

[@alexmanolopoulos1873]

But they didn't win. Phyllis claimed if the ERA passed that meant women could be drafted. The ERA hasnt yet passed. Not having passed the The Pentagon has already declared that women would be eligible for a draft.

[@alexmanolopoulos1873]

Phyllis also said I'd the ERA passed that almost all women would find themselves with two jobs being a homemaker and a a regular job. ERA has still not passed.

[@alexmanolopoulos1873]

Just to let you know the right didnt win the ERA has got all the states needed for ratification. The only thing need now is for Congress to extend the time the states needed for approval. This already done once so it can be done again. Make no mistake about it a time will come again when the left will come up with 60 votes in the senate to do this. We already won that war the results just aren't in yet. Good luck next time Gen z says your going to need it.

[@NoNameNo.5]

Women now are so much happier now….

[@kikiwilliams4980]

🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@hamorahime937]

The dark haird women kep speaking over her opponent. I don’t like that.

[@angelofdeath095]

They say women from today that these are the oppressed ones who had the worst time in their married life. What a Joke. She is maybe the most empowering women I have ever seen in my life, who is open to reality and honest to her her core and certainly powerful enough to voice her opinions. And guess who was her biggest supporter, her very own husband , who is btw a MAN , the oppresser as those annoying humans like to call us.

[@mariondean8499]

She was a hypocrite

[@uzuegbunamb]

Her husband decided to kill two birds with one stone. He did not want her to run for public office (or study law) and he was not a fan of the ERA. Fighting the ERA diverted her attention off of running for public office and then to focus on fighting against a cause that interested her husband. The fact that this went over your head, means that your judgement should be taken with a grain of salt.

[@louislamonte334]

This series fabricated a lot of material and really went out of its way to trash Phyllis Schlafly. It also failed to accurately portray the fighting, animosity and acrimony between Friedan and the other man-haters. It's obvious that Friedan was very jealous of Schlafly as Phyllis was younger, prettier, much more put together and had a very successful, happy and loving marriage whereas Betty's marriage was troubled and full of constant fighting and conflict and of course ended in divorce. She also claimed/lied that her husband denied to his dying day! After her marriage ended Betty embarked on a decades long affair with a married man and backpedaled her accusations of abuse by her ex-husband!

[@shaykendall8742]

Man haters? Go back to your hole incel. The series showed both sides.

[@pdxcorgidad]

Um would you have rather they viewed her in the ways of her books or her membership as a Bircher? Because I'm 100% behind that.