MS MARVEL Ep5: EASTER EGGS, Breakdown, and Loki Connection EXPLAINED

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Ms. Marvel's 5th episode shows us a new kind of time travel in the MCU: The Flat circle, grandfather paradox time travel. We explain how this connects to the time travel we've seen in Avengers: Endgame and Loki, and breakdown all of the easter eggs in the episode.
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Written by Ryan Areey and Srinidhi Rao ( / shishurao )
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Edited by Randolf Nombrado, Sean martin, Srinidhi Rao, and Ethan Lavinsky

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[@itzjay2288]

Thought of a huge plot hole in spider man and dr strange. Ned can travel the multiverse with just a sling ring to get Andrew and Toby so why did Wanda need americas power if she could just use a sling ring

[@yrma_fletcher8953]

the newsreel could have been an indian. you couldnt get on cinema newsreels tv or radio in empire unless you had the RP accent. wherever you were. its also called the BBC accent . so that could be why it sounds british but anti british in tone. if you watch an old pathe news reels youll see what i mean. regional accents were a no-no as it wasnt "proper" and been occupying for 200 years so would have schools etc there

[@lightninthetitan8801]

wassup with yu nd these ur mom jokes? i thought yu were more mature then that bro smh very corny

[@Artburndesign]

Did you contact me about winning a PS5? I think I’m getting scammed by a SC fake! Maybe?

[@danwolverine]

DILLAGI... It's Dil lagi not Dill agi...

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

We have to give some love for bruno how many of us would take in our rival who can't get our name right just because they have no where else to go. Also, I love how they are piecing her costume together from pieces from all the people who shaped her family, and friends.

[@JFlint.02]

Bruno might just be my favorite character. Matt Lintz is amazing

[@MariaCalore]

Big Fitz energy 🍋

[@KnightRaymund]

Love Bruno

[@pettyofficerdan1807]

Brian's a good guy, yeah. He's nice to Cameron.

[@thatsclownshit3145]

@@pettyofficerdan1807 hoping this is a joke 🤞

[@DocFunkenstein]

Kamala didn't travel through time, creating a new timeline. Her great grandmother *summoned* her from the future, creating Kamala's timeline, and a predestined paradox. In other words, in the show's timeline, those events always happened, and indeed had to happen in order to maintain the timeline.

[@acolytesounds]

Why does this make more sense to me.. good explanation!

[@ms.bubs4fun506]

That’s exactly what I thought when I watched it.

[@jlomamba5663]

I agree with this explanation.. If you watch the last episode at around 19:52, When Kamala said “You were supposed to save Nani like in the story (Kamala’s grandmother)” Aisha said that “She is okay, because you are here” I interpret this that Aisha already saw what happens in her current timeline.. So she was not afraid of what will happen to her daughter because she knows Kamala will save her in the end..Thus, they didn’t break the TVA time travel rule and the Endgame time travel rule as well.. Kamala’s action did not create a branch timeline because it was suppose to happen.

[@HeyItsMad]

@@jlomamba5663 Yeah and this is one of the more famous proposed solutions to the Bootstrap paradox, it only causes issues if it changes something which would prevent the time travel from occurring or the time traveler from existing in the first place.

[@rizzzzzzzzzzzz]

@@jlomamba5663 could it be that Aisha didn't see the future? she just manifested it. i think it didnt specifically need to be kamala from her pov. just someone from her lineage who would answer the call and she had faith in her family. but only kamala was able to embrace it, and figure out things in a specific order that led her in that fight that activated time travel. nevertheless, i think it's beautiful. i'm so interested in the time travel aspect of the bangle and their species. i guess for now it's just magic

[@SairaRaza]

I think the “two bangles” effect of tearing the veil happened because when Kamala visited the past, there were 2 instances of the bangle in the same moment - the one Kamala is wearing and the one Aïsha left with Sana.

[@TheFreshster]

This is a great point!

[@davidwindell]

That could be the case- I thought the same, but if it’s true then why didn’t the portal open in the past (you know, when there were actually two bangles in the same space and time)? If this was what Marvel intended, they screwed up again. And how/why did the portal decide to close? Because Kamran’s mom sacrificed herself? How does that even work? And why didn’t it close after the First Lady died? Did it require two of the clandestine? Where is the rest of the clan and why weren’t they there? This is the MCUs most ridiculous, inconsistent, poorly written show. Probably because they took a supe designed to appeal to 13 yr old girls and decided it was the perfect vehicle for a complex, universe-defining, politically themed plot

[@rizzzzzzzzzzzz]

@@davidwindell no, i think their species is able to make "magical spells" that require them to make sacrifices or have a host. we still don't know much about that dimension they've only started to introduce recently. they do have poor writing especially when they try to rush things. but this one specifically, i think we'll learn more. it's a whole diff species of spell makers like strange and the scarlett witch. i wonder if these powers are related to the reality stone

[@McHaro0079]

@@rizzzzzzzzzzzz If you play RPG it's like summoning someone somewhere else. 😅

[@khandimahn9687]

This episode really went in for the feels with the flashback. I am loving how important Kamala's heritage is to the story.

[@jameswigglesworth710]

the whole 'action scene' was pretty underwhelming and didn't seem that well thought out, but tbh I'm very willing to overlook it because of how charming the series has been thus far. idk i just think it's all pretty neat

[@suechan4040]

agree. it was quite a bit rushed and pretty underwhelming. but i think we will be getting a good action scene in ep. 6 knowing that kamran and bruno are in trouble.

[@OoXLR8oO]

Is it even an action scene? It’s more of an aftermath of the previous episode’s action scene.

[@catbarnard2833]

Totally agree. The pacing was way off and ruined the tension, but in general I’ve actually been really pleasantly surprised by this series

[@holiazhang]

Notice how when talking about Aisha the aunties say “I heard she killed a man” which may be referring to the soldier she supposedly kills at the start of the episode

[@henrydo7270]

Good notices

[@lilmish6809]

She killed a man and stayed in a stranger's house eating rotis and listening to poetry while she wasnt married to him. Illuminaunties woulld have a field day and eat for days with that scandal lol

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

The actress that play aisha my word, if she ever looked at me irl I'd melt her gaze is some intense all encompassing beauty.

[@Waleed.869]

Mehwish hayat 😻

[@rockyetsx70]

There's a moment when young Sana has the Bangle while she's on the train platform, while Kamala is there as well, so for a brief period of time there would have been two instances of the same bangle in the same place at the same time, which might have been their sweet spot for having two for the CalnDestines to make it back to the Noor dimension. Also, the effect of Najma and Fariha touching the open portal looked very similar to the Terrigen cocoon that was part of the Agents of Shield plot line, just a lot more destructive

[@cantevenandrew]

Actually the Terrigen cocoon in Agents of SHIELD was just as catastrophic as this one. In Agents of SHIELD, who ever was exposed to the Terrigen mist that was deemed "unworthy" would die along the shaterring of the cocoon. The similarity of both cocoon was uncanny.

[@GaaraFPS]

@@cantevenandrew thanks for the insight

[@silasfoley2971]

It reminded me of Spider-Man 2002😂

[@cantevenandrew]

@@GaaraFPS no problem! 😁

[@srayj]

I was actually wondering the same thing. If those were the cocoons, then maybe in the finale, we will get Kamala and Kamran both being in them, but they will emerge with their final power sets instead of being immediately turned into a skeleton.

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

I really think those 2 defense departments officers are skrulls. That's why they're after the bangle because they know it's kree. Bringing in captain marvel to maybe save the day in an epic twist. Setting up the marvels ,and secret invasion, and kree skrull war.

[@1hourrelaxmusic821]

I think it’s a combination of kree and ancient tech

[@redswasted8624]

Would also explain how the DODC officer knew Nick Fury had been "off world" (in No Way Home)

[@Semian2]

Definitely need to shout out the fire score in this episode too. The music when Kamala is in the past and then when they're dealing with the portal is awesome

[@liirinen]

Agreed!

[@willnutland5772]

I hope they still keep her identity a secret with her Dad. Like he’s just blissfully unaware of the obvious fact they’re both hiding it from him. Would be a nice touch, think it would be funny as well if done right

[@_TRON_]

I was thinking he'd be the first to find out because he's so into being just a dad. He's genuinely embracing her interest and wants apart of her life. But the bracelet is apart of her mother's family tree.

[@LufianCloud]

In the Comics, they did.

[@AmyKaylasVegas]

I think it would be cool if he meets the Hulk as he is obviously a fan

[@Zebula77]

That was the best episode of Ms Marvel yet. So much feels! And can we all agree the actress who plays Aisha is super gorgeous?!

[@nrproductions5776]

Yes! The actress is Mehwish Hayat, she’s stunning 🤩

[@Zebula77]

@@nrproductions5776 Yeah, I should have googled her name first. I guess I was just so taken, haha.

[@colbycoles6983]

I don't think it broke the time travel rules of the MCU, kamala going back in time didn't change the past, so it didn't create another seperate timeline. She has always been the one who traveled back to save her grandma

[@SuperStreetWarrior]

It is similar what was said in Loki when he questioned about Avengers time travellin and Renslayer explained that Avengers was supposed to time travel.

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

She didn't even save her. She saved herself. Kamala didn't make the stars

[@elin111]

@@CityPlannerPlaysChair That has to be the most petty of petty nitpicks in a long times.

[@CityPlannerPlaysChair]

@@elin111 how so? Kamala made the steps sure, but her grandmother made the stars herself. So Kamala didn't help, or hurt, anything in the past. It's a huge hint at the bangle ultimately being unnecessary.

[@esmeraldasalamone6642]

Yea- it's closed loop time travel.

[@JustinStarrPhotography]

Kamala’s going into the past to be the key to the story she’s heard her whole life (“It was me”) very much reminded me of the very powerful moment from Lovecraft Country when they traveled back to the Tulsa Race Riots and Atticus saves his father in the story he heard about his whole life.

[@davidemanuelrosini5791]

The energy that gave off on the portal kinda looked like quantum energy. Imagine that the beacon the ten rings gave off was sent the moment the noor energy portal opened

[@moldytexas]

The languages shown in the title cards are Urdu, Hindi, Bengali, Parsi and again Hindi. Not Tamil and Telegu. Each of these languages have their relation to the partition. Urdu and Hindi of course are the major languages of Pakistan and India respectively. Punjabi for the state of Punjab. Why Bengali, now? The Bangladesh you all know today was part of Pakistan until 1971 (called East Pakistan). But, the region of Bangladesh was originally a part of the larger state of "Bengal". After the partition, Bengal broke into East Pakistan and a state in India called West Bengal. After Bangladesh's independence from Pakistan in 1971 , their national language became Bengali, and to depict the partition's effect on Bangladesh, Bengali is chosen here. Absolutely loving the attention to detail of the creators of the show. Fun fact, the people speaking Tamil and Telegu were actually very distant from the events of partition; these being languages spoken in the southern parts of India.

[@lilmish6809]

Urdu is an adopted language and not native to pakistan just like english. They are learnt in school and are languages of the educated class. Indigenous languages are over 21 of which punjabi, sindhi, balochi, balti, shina, pashto, hindko, kashmiri, siraiki are the most prominent ones. Hindi is not a language spoken in pakistan nor can anyone read or write it. Especially the indian dialect of hindi is not spoken at all.

[@manannaik1341]

And Gujarati

[@dorklord1078]

they're all the languages of terrorists

[@srinidhirao]

Yea the languages Tamil and telugu are spoken in South India pretty distant from the partition region but they did actually include title cards of Telugu and Tamil in the show, I was surprised by that too

[@Harman_Randhawa]

They also include punjabi in title card.

[@EliotHochberg]

Couldn’t it be argued that in this ep, there are two bangles? Yes, it’s the same bangle twice, but maybe that’s what allows a portal to open?

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

I think what kamala caused was predestination paradox ,and not like the one we saw in avengers endgame, both are totally entirely different. Hence ,it didn't create a new timeless hence no TVA.

[@redcomet7024]

I liked the time travel explanation but there's a simpler reason why the TVA didn't come after her. Like the Avengers she was supposed to go back. The TVA is fine with time travel as long as the result is the future envisioned by He Who Remains

[@ultramorph6985]

Other Reason is Does Anyone remember the Ending of Loki eps 6?, The TVA Litterally stop pruning Timelines and Kang is coming

[@redcomet7024]

@@ultramorph6985 right!

[@thogi]

@@ultramorph6985 true, but her time in the past was before this happened, so the TVA would've pruned her if it wasn't part of the sacred timeline that she be there.

[@ultramorph6985]

@@thogi Yeah as for that, I'm Going with what Ryan said

[@derbaba5266]

@@thogi tva is existing outside of time lol

[@sheryn61]

I absolutely love this show. So colorful, unique, and the animation is spot on.

[@slothbabymutation7934]

You nailed it! I'm glad you get the show for what it is. I feel the same way!

[@raginidas4507]

Here's my theory - As per the arabic folklore, a djinn can possess a human being or any material and control or pass on their powers. So in this episode we see two instances of djinn deaths, one Aisha's and the other one Najma's death. And when both died, they were able to pass on their powers to someone/something they remembered in that last moment. We see Aisha looking at the family photo with Sana in it and reciting the poem's line "what you are seeking is seeking you". We remember from the previous episode that this line's inscription was not present on the bangle earlier (Waleed mentioning it) but it got inscribed after Aisha's death. So I think that when Aisha chanted this line at her deathbed, she was actually trying to transfer her power to the bangle Or the possessor of the bangle and while reciting the line actually possessed the new inscription on the bangle. But the death of a djinn messes with the time-space fabric which caused the possessor of the bangle from the future (Kamala) to come to the past to help (maybe instead of the intended Sana which Aisha thought would have got it). This is also the reason why Aisha called Kamala - Sana when they met. And similarly, when Najma was about to die and called out Kamran, her powers were transferred to Kamran. Now remember, Aisha never called out Sana or Kamala, hence the power were not transferred to the living person rather she chanted the poem's line which got inscribed on bangles and powers transferred to the bangles. Also, Aisha opened the space time fabric (veil) on her death when she transferred her powers, Najma closed it when she transferred hers. What do you think?

[@anishsunuwar2657]

I think it was great.

[@brettw173]

Love the animated Tick bit. One of the all-time funniest shows. Heart-breaking it doesn't get more love. So many eps are pure genius.

[@CantankerousDave]

The Tick vs. The Common Cold is a disgusting classic. (Also The Tick vs. Science. "He weeps, for he has but one small tongue with which to taste the whole world.")

[@turnerjazz7872]

Seems like the key to Kamala's time travel was that the events she caused had already happened. It's a bit of a bootstrap paradox, but it still doesn't break the MCU rules of time travel.

[@vierkilau]

I did notice the djinn who died looked a lot like what happened to people who got exposed to the terragen mists without having inhuman DNA in Agents of Shield, could still be indicating something relating to her comic origins

[@adamphoenixwhite526]

I was thinking the same thing

[@ftheman1108]

I’ve definitely been so-so on this show, but I think this episode really was good. The partition scene really tugged on my heart strings. Reminded me of the scene in titanic where everyone was scrambling for life boats.

[@MadameWesker]

As a POC with generational trauma, this episode made me cry. All 4 of the women reaching across generations to hold each other really hit me hard. Edit: I am hardly a 4th dimensional being and I see time as a flat circle.

[@juliancastruita2720]

Awesome breakdown from Ryan and the team! Always appreciate how you guys look into as many connections and nods this show gives to real life cultural subjects. Keep up the great work and sending so much appreciation over to the ScreenCrush team!!

[@DatBoiChris420]

Lmfao its their fucking job

[@juliancastruita2720]

@@DatBoiChris420 and they do it fantastically!

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

Actually I think that Karman getting power scene was based that how Kamala got powers from noor dimensions aisha inscribed what you seek is seeking you on bangle. Actually she in a way was referring to kamala who was seeking the source of her powers ( A time loop that her powers come first or her seeking) kamala got to know the source, and aisha died. Sane here Kamran mom was seeking his son who was seeking his mom ( what you seek is seeking you) And he got the powers after her sacrifice .

[@acolytesounds]

I'm not sure I understood that fully but I'm inclined to agree anyways.. there seems to be a link

[@suechan4040]

aisha's eyes glowed when she said "what you're seeking is seeking you" just like how najma's eyes glowed when she said her son's name. it's like they gave these kids their powers. maybe we could say that the bangle is not the source of kamala's powers since kamran unleashed his powers despite not having a bangle. it is more of an inherent trait.

[@AmanCreatesArt]

The love song chosen for the opening titles was thematic as well. The lyrics mean: "You are my moon. I am your moonlight." 🌜✨

[@dankorn]

The "Somehow Palpatine returned" gag cracks me up every time!

[@dyo1001]

I think the bangle falling on the ground is the trigger, Kamala’s grandma had the bangle and gave it to Kamala. So I believe the bangle rolled to Sana, sana picked it up and the stars happened. Kamala is just experiencing what “ the bangle “ experienced from a visceral perspective that forces her to understand she is “in control” of what it does for her. The more important thing is the ability of her power usage reasonably expanding tremendously over a simple 2 episodes. I must give Disney credit, they’ve handled Kamala’s power creep very well.

[@Trilingualeks]

I feel like I missed something about Aisha 'summoning' Kamala from the future.... When Kamala found her, she first said 'Sana, you came back to me'. Was she calling for Kamala specifically, or just blindly summoning the wearer of the bangle and she just assumed it was Sana from the future?

[@McHaro0079]

No sure. Maybe she just recognized her features which may look similar to Sana. We honestly don't even know what the bangle is capable of yet so we can't sure.

[@adamphoenixwhite526]

We've actually already seen this kind of time travel in the MCU, this is just bigger, and it wasn't a person traveling through time, it was information. When Dr Strange looked ahead to 14M futures, he cherry picked which absolute points had to happen in time to figure out what they needed to do, thus summoning information from the future and bringing it back to the past, with that information being essential to the outcome of that timeline. The only difference here is that Kamala is being physically brought into the past, rather than just information being brought to the past.

[@jdam3131]

Can/‘t believe I was right with my theory that the trail of stars was caused by Kamala in a Harry Potter PoA Patronus time travel moment

[@master-of-many-fandoms2020]

It was kinda obvious. But still, I loved it.

[@acolytesounds]

Feels good to get something right! I'm always wrong... lol

[@master-of-many-fandoms2020]

@@acolytesounds I somewhat know the feeling.

[@maniacalkoala]

The languages in the title cards, in order, are English, Urdu, Hindi, Urdu, Urdu, Hindi, Bengali (also called Bangla), Hindi, Bengali, Urdu/Hindi, Telugu, Punjabi, Gujarati, Punjabi, Tamil, Gujarati, and Urdu again.

[@brucelau2023]

This episode was really truly interesting , very fascinating with the whole bangle and with Aisha’s Past and everything

[@nicholasgarrick8855]

This episode amongst all other episode of Ms marvel was such a big leap for the MCU. I am so glad Kevin feige let this series create its own mould. What a tear - jersey this episode was kudos❤❤

[@spacejay2677]

I'm actually starting to think that in Aisha's last moments she just passed her powers onto Sana or something, and Najma did the same with Kamran. Kamala coincidentally shows up right then because this was always fated to happen; it's an instance of closed loop time travel. Both Sana and Kamran's powers activate soon after their mothers call out to them or wte. Kamala tried to lead Sana back to Hasan with the Noor because she thought she was fated to create the trail of stars. But this fails... then *Sana* manipulates the Noor using her newfound powers passed on by Aisha. Notice that neither Sana nor Kamran have the bangle when they use the Noor. This is because something inside of them has finally been activated (or instilled in them) by their mothers' final actions. Kamran touched the bangle in episode 2 iirc, but nothing happened- because the Noor hadn't yet been activated in him! But since Sana got it as a toddler, she passed it down to her children. Perhaps the bangle allows any human-djinn hybrid with Noor in them to better control it, but if they don't have it yet, the bangle does nothing.

[@ColorMeConfused29]

Excellent analysis.

[@greatbritian9930]

nice thought..

[@wehavefive]

Sana was wearing the bangle, given by ammi, until she met up with her father and ascended into the train.

[@kevinavelar3284]

Touch grass

[@spacejay2677]

@@wehavefive yeah but in the stars moment only kamala had it, sana was no longer wearing it.

[@Organic_Body_Transformer]

This episode made me cry! In fact it got so bad that I had to take a break from watching it and come back to it later. As a British Asian... Actually let me start again; as an Asian British, I finally understand my own history. I have always known it in a lot of detail, but I never understood what my grandparents felt. I remember arguing about this with my grandmother exactly 21 years ago (precisely this month), because I thought her hatred of the British was unjustified, but now I have finally understood her emotions. In fact she left England and refused a British citizenship as she hated everything about this country. A picture really does paint a thousand words, because this episode reiterated to me everything I already knew, but I have finally lived it as my grandparents did.

[@craytherlaygaming2852]

I feel it's more that, in the MCU because like in AoS the cree state that human genetics is 'simple'. It means humans are infinitely compatible with any number of alien DNA the adaptability of human genetics is because it's 'simple'. Hence it being so easy to create superpowered beings out of them.

[@jadenellison393]

i love the idea that all of time is happening at the same shared instance in a way, because, in a societal context, it sort of comments on the idea that marginalized people carry their histories with them. It’s really, really touching.

[@tyfry2836]

I love your easter eggs and break downs of shows I was waiting for this all day Great job as usual

[@HD-rw6no]

So I know this is an episode late, but when the three of them are on the rickshaw she was saying something along the lines, of "Must go faster" which I thought was an homage to Jurassic Park. I also thought that when she said, "It was me." It was just like in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban which was referenced later.

[@michaelmcchesney6645]

One thing that doesn't really make sense is how Kamala's grandmother knew she was Jinn. She said that is what her father told her. But it seemed pretty clear that Aisha never told him what she was. She had secrets that he tells her he never asked her about. He saw the stars and realized that his daughter and thus his wife was magical and the bangle was connected to that. I suppose that he told his daughter her mother was Jinn because the only magical beings he had heard of were the Jinn. Perhaps it was just a lucky guess that the Clandestines were called Jinn by people aware of their existence.

[@dellytancyl524]

A Jinn is someone who is considered magical or supernatural. for instance, and t this is mentioned in the show, Thor would have been considered a Jinn in that part of the world.

[@TheRealAlpha2]

​ @Delly Tancyl I agree, she tells her grand mother and she's probably thinking "yeah that tracks, there's magic in our family." one way or another, she could have told her she was a space alien and she wouldn't have been too surprised, it just makes more sense to be something somewhat culturally consistent. (sorry if comment is in the wrong place. KZbin is doing that thing where it puts my comment in the wrong thread.)

[@ruyammahmood7054]

Ryan ur amazing! Thanks for doing your research into the culture and about our actors as well! You're so well informed!

[@LisaYoungmpp]

I always look forward to your Easter eggs and breakdown videos!

[@yhk1985]

One major mistake I notice can be also a lack of research. Pakistan got independence in the month of Ramadan, the 9th month in the Islamic calendar, and on the 27th day of it. As Islamic calendars are depending on the moon, the moon of the 27th night is very thin but the moon is what we saw during the scene of Kamala saving Sana and guiding her back to her father on the train was looking like a half moon. Half-moon is visible only in the mid of moon phase, either on the 7th or 8th night or on the 20th or 21st night of the lunar month.

[@swatisarkar-elbaz938]

Hi Ryan thanks for doing such a good job with all the South Asian references :) I just wanted to point out that Hindu refers to the religion, Hinduism, so it’s not a Hindu film, it’s either in Hindi (the most commonly-spoken language in Northern India) or it’s an Indian film as compared to a Pakistani one. Way to go though with Doug

[@ndizon619]

Gotta love that, "Somehow Palpatine returns." Best quote ever. lol

[@Shadowcor]

Let’s go! Been waiting for this all day! Thank you for your hard work!

[@lnoorplaylist]

8:02 i loved how realistic it is everyone is helping their companions to somehow get on train they are waving hand which says come on get on hurry up even when there's no free space even on roof of train

[@GalaxyOceanYT]

You are the only channel, with actually good sponsors. Every one of your sponsors, I will use everyday

[@lgt_jne]

Time traveling confusion like Avengers time heist lol

[@awashington8447]

Mz Marvel has the best soundtrack of all the Disney+ shows. This is not up for debate 🏆

[@hamdhanfiyaz4918]

08:45 , this was my same reaction watching the ending of episode 5.

[@ScreenCrush]

Sorry the languages were mislabeled. The editors made a mistake, and we missed it.

[@anthonystar]

ty that was very nice info :)

[@kang1964]

Great video!

[@profbfc]

In South Asian folklore, Jinns are attracted to flowers (e.g. roses) which is why she seeked refuse in a flower bed. Just wanted point that out

[@Gundam-Fury]

Easier way to explain time travel, a New time line is oly created if something happens to alter that timeline, Hence why Cap returned the stones to their original places so that the timeline is preserved and there's no split. Kamala going back in time led to the Story her nana used to tell meaning Kamal was predetermined to go back and help, no new timeline because it always happened that way. That also explains how Steve could go back in time, live with Peggy and return without using the tunnel, Old Steve was there the whole time, he just refrained from interfering because he was mature enough to not creative mess with history for his own gain.

[@elfteiroh]

Yeeep, old Steve is an example of the same kind of time loop existing in the MCU.

[@des2knee962]

Best Line in the series was "if it was legal, i WOULD have added a microchip" 😅😅😅

[@invicturion7390]

Ive been bingeing the ending song all day. Its great. Tu Jhoom

[@zainabamadahy9918]

Really appreciate how you are able to contextualize and explain because of your knowledge of Pakistan, India and Islam. Puts you a head above other reviewers. Thanks.

[@jules.634]

Kudos for being being able to continue watching this show. It has been difficult.

[@saturncrush]

This show really made me a fan of Ms Marvel.

[@MCCCAlexA]

Did you notice the effect from dying from that portal was the same as the terragenesis in AOS

[@acolytesounds]

I'm not sure why they would use time travel as a narrative given that we've established confusing rules already... it seems like they're purposely trying to confuse us now lol I had to come here to get your take on it 😆 Now I'm also confused on where episode 6 is going. Feels like it's gonna be a 40 min epilogue.. I did like the historical intro!

[@bretthenderson2759]

Algorithmic engagement comment. Keep up the great videos!

[@MikeGianetti]

I had a thought about when you were talking about 4th dimensional beings and time travel. In Infinity Wars, when Dr. Strange is looking though all the battles and their results, he is actually functioning as a 4th dimensional being. By using the Eye and the time stone, based in the "flat disk" theory you referenced, he was doing exactly that. It is the explanation that fits when asking how was he able to see so much in such a little amount of time? He had to be seeing all time at once in each time line he "traveled to".

[@Planag7]

I kind of like the way they visualize this Grandfather paradox in the recent umbrella academy. Which the ending just made me roll my eyes a little bit about but hey at least it was interesting

[@MontgomeryWenis]

7:03 Not technically. She said it was the last time _we_ saw her. The other Clandestines never saw her again, and she must have never told them she found and killed Aisha.

[@tiny-grimes]

I love how Ryan and Doug acknowledges AoS

[@lordodysseus]

Last week I was really worried about a bootstrap paradox. But I like your explanation a lot. Lol

[@asunachan9999]

that lvl.of research tho. *chef's kiss! 😘♥️🇵🇭

[@swisskristin12]

A much simpler explanation to her time travel not affecting the timeline is that she didn’t change anything, her action in the past was already part of that timeline, she just “completed the loop.”

[@ashtonobrien1043]

The show (ep1-4) has been a solid 7/10 up until this latest episode like what the hell was this episode, the history was probably the best part about it and that’s saying something because a lot of it wasn’t needed. Like the sudden change of heart from Najma because Kamala reminded her of Kamran was so badly written but going along your theory that Najma will take over Kamran to continue her plan will be interesting. Like they just quickly finished up their story in a quick scene but I really like if they go along with Najma continuing her plan “after death”. I am just scared for the next episode liek they have so many things to cover. 1) How the Djinn story will end. 2) what will they do with the DODC. 3) How will they set up her The Marvels. Like they have so much to do and this episode really only had the last 10mins actually being required. Like the only thing needed was the train scene, go back to the present and do that horrible portal opening scene which should have been extended and the 3-generation scene.

[@tequilakitty100]

Maybe this is me reading into it, but both of the Djinn who accomplish something supernatural in this episode are "fulfilling wishes" for themselves.

[@stephenramsey5585]

The multiverse theory still applies to Ms Marvel. If there are infinite possible universes that can branch out of timetravel shenanigans, then there is at least one universe where said shenanigans result in the timeline from which you travelled (or at least a timeline that is so close its indistinguishable). This is how the Avengers were able to get away with their Time Heist. They returned all the stones to the points where they took them from and it just so happens that they always existed in a timeline where they had travelled back in time, mucked about a bit, then come back. There is, of course, the Loki timeline which the TVA erased though, which makes you wonder what Steve did with those surplus mind and time stones; the timeline he took them from was erased. For that matter, the TVA likely also erased the timeline Thanos left in Endgame to pursue the stones, so that leaves a surplus soul and power stone too. Maybe the TVA confiscated them. That would explain why they have so many as paper weights. But I digress. The point is, Ms Marvel doesn't conflict with the time travel rules established by Endgame and Loki.

[@StarshineGoomba]

After the TVA said that what the Avengers did in Endgame was supposed to happen, I just assumed that Kamala going back in time to save her grandmother is what was supposed to happen and not a variant timeline.

[@flyingblasian1352]

@screencrush the series features a few possible nods at the movie Blinded By The Light. The movie is about a Pakistani youth who is inspired by Bruce Springsteen to find themselves and their voice. This is echoed by Kamala’s mom who is inspired by Bon Jovi’s music to seek her own new adventure. Kamala’s grandma also mistakes Bon Jovi for Bruce Springsteen, and the show opened ep 1 with “Blinding Lights”, similar to Bruce Springsteen’s song “Blinded By the Light”.

[@sumanthasaha7207]

I like how Waleed was such a disposable character that after the fight was over, Kareem and Kamala didn't even tried to know whether he was alive or not. Poor Writing.

[@DeedUNo]

I simply loved the poetry of Rumi

[@christianshively1469]

Nice Umbrella ☂ Academy reference with the grandfather paradox. I wish you would do a breakdown of that show.

[@pabloquijadasalazar7507]

I wanted to stay up last night to watch this at midnight, so I watched Child’s Play for the first time (free on KZbin right now). 1) Movie was hilarious, I was such a scaredy-cat when I was little. 2) I don’t remember watching Ms Marvel, but I did.

[@februaryschild0216]

The reel was voiced by someone Indian. Many have British accents. The Queen liked sending her conquests to school. I didn't look at the barrier scene as an "action scene". To me, it was just the vehicle to show the transfer of power. I'm loving seeing Kamala become more and more sure of herself as these events happen around her.

[@BretMuckdogs]

Thanks Ryan.

[@Charan0706]

Great video again but there is one hiccup, the languages you mentioned at 3:44 were actually - Urdu, Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu, and Hindi again. Well, all the languages you said were among the title cards but they didn't match the ones you just showed in the video. Thought you should know because those who don't know the languages might attribute the wrong text to the wrong language.

[@entropy22]

At first I thought it was Kamala who would save her grandmother, but that would create a grandfather paradox. In this episode, its clear that her grandmother did the trail of stars herself. So Kalama was just a visitor in that time and didnt create a branch.

[@BYERE]

I disagree on the whole “time travel rules” part. The “Time Heist” was always meant to happen, as decreed by He Who Remains. The Avengers did exactly as scripted, thus no new timelines would have been created. That was part of the Sacred Timeline. Even Loki taking the Tesseract was part of the plan, even though it did indeed create a branch (that was quickly pruned by the TVA) Kamala’s leap to the past isn’t a change in these rules, just a different reason for time travel. She was caught in a Causal Loop (an event that causes another event, that in turn creates the first event… ie, Kamala was told the stories, went back in time, was the reason for those stories, which in turn allows her grandma to tell those stories… Also known as a Bootstrap Paradox) Even though He Who Remains is no longer remaining, such an event would already be written to happen as he was living at the end of time… so everything was already in motion to happen as he wrote it, and until there’s evidence of timeline tampering within her series/movies, we can only assume that the loop was all part of the plan and within the rules the MCU already established.

[@debbralehrman5957]

Thanks👍🏻 Grazie😁

[@kennethjenkins3972]

That particle time travel trope has been around for a long time, so you heard the story of how your grandmother followed the stars and it turns out you went back in time and created the stars, so the time line was not broken or branched, it always unfolded this way therefore there is no paradox and no alternate time lines are created.

[@MariaCalore]

Coming to Italy?? Oooo if you get to Venice hope you have a good time!

[@jorgecarbajal8076]

3:27 I actually watched that movie (or most of it) during my freshman year of high school in my World Geography class. 11:28 Foggy Nelson from the Daredevil series can speak Punjabi.

[@jpat1513]

The babble ad alone was more entertaining than anything in this 20 Ms Marvel episode

[@acolytesounds]

Double mom jokes followed by Palpatine meme. Love it.

[@davidellis251]

I love the blinded by the light reference. A movie about a Pakistani teenager who left home to type with Bruce Springsteen.

[@lukehartmann7069]

gotta be careful about those grandfather paradoxes. they can make a kugel blitz

[@PriscilaJBMCosta]

Seeing time as circular rather than linear is also explored in the movie Arrival. In fact, several cultures and languages describe time as a circle or a spiral. In English we often “see” time as moving forward pointing to the future as if it were ahead (as on a road) or drawing timelines from left to right (as the direction we use in writing). It would be interesting to see how Pakistani culture and languages see the concept of time. That must be a neat cultural Easter egg.

[@danmaier2824]

I can't imagine a time when your use of "somehow Palpatine returned," isn't funny. I snotted a little this time lol