Ms660 and 070 Clone Saw Thoughts. Year Later

[@OTAlucard]

The prices of these are getting too expensive In my opinion and would just buy a real one if not on sale. Edit November 2019. Just bought another 070 clone saw. Going to build and convert to 090 for comparison. Waiting for ms880 clone. 070 still runs and cuts amazingly well fuel line rotten Another edit November 2021 Looking at buying a Husqvarna 3120 before they quit making them. But I'm still amazed how much wood this saw has cut. I only did a little milling with it. But most of it is used to cut up big logs into firewood it's showing some wear but the power kept getting better and better with age and the gallons of fuel it's used. I've probably put 40-50 gallons of fuel through this saw. Just chugging away and I don't even want to know how much bar oil. I figure if the Chinese can't clone 1950s technology in 2020 they should give it up and I was right. Nice saw. Now they just need to make AV conversion handles. Because this thing VIBRATES.

[@peanutman6593]

OTAlucard - Several of the most popular channels who build these saws will load them up with aftermarket parts and I have always said that is ridiculous. Let the saw stand on its own or buy the OEM.

[@OTAlucard]

@@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove it's crazy I still run this one it's a grunter for sure I have a brand new 3120 Husqvarna In the box cause I thought this would blow up but it never did

[@OTAlucard]

@@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove the only thing that failed on me this whole time since 2018 was the fuel lines. I'm not even joking. I've cut so much firewood with this. Then I take the big bar off and put on the small one to cut the big logs into quarters

[@OTAlucard]

@@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove now the ms660 on the other hand blew a seal and I never fixed it. I guess I'll get around to it eventually

[@OTAlucard]

@@Edmund_Mallory_Hardgrove I wouldn't even build it I would just buy the one already assembled and replace the flywheel nut and clutch nut with new ones that aren't made out of swiss cheese. And run it

[@dubhaltaghohearcain2431]

Im new to chainsaws. Thanks for your videos. I'm learning.

[@kevinwalsh1814]

You wouldn't happen to have a link to your Greek aftermarket parts for the clutch? Nice video.

[@OTAlucard]

If you search 92102611350 on eBay it shows up. Maybe Stihl oem at the dealer is a good option also. Most of the small parts for my 660 build were better bought at the dealer. Third of the price

[@TheOlsonOutfit]

omg $102 shipping to North America... I better wait for the world to stop panicking.

[@thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549]

Read the comments and appreciate your experience with the saw. Have a 070 with 36 inch bar coming from China will anticipate some of the problems and solutions you came up with. Thanks!

[@samuelalbritton2224]

Thomas Tieffenbacher/DocSavage45 have you had good experience with yours so far? I get mine is 6 days. Bought a 660 kit to kinda learn more about the inner workings to hopefully keep this thing going

[@thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549]

Problems with the saw being working on delivery. Shipping more than the cost of the saw. The metal cover was not well made and they substituted a plastic top. Have another friend who got his running. The 070 being an early chainsaw has some technical problems that are corrected in a 660. Can't get an Oregon bar and a bar for the sthil which is available on Ebay costs a bit. Bought this saw to slab a walnut tree dropped on my parking area by the sawyer as i couldn't get anyone to come and mill it for me. Will let you know more of the story.

[@samuelalbritton2224]

Thomas Tieffenbacher/DocSavage45 for the 660 bars are more readily available? Will I have problems getting chains for my 070. It came with a 36 and a 42 bar and chain but I know I'll need to get some ripping chains. Where do you guys buy your 070 ripping chains.

[@thomastieffenbacherdocsava1549]

Baily's and frawly's. Haven't gotten a logging chain, but pretty sure I can get one from Frawly's as they are for logging guys. Have been working on my undercarraige and now undercoating, Will be getting to the saw next week.

[@happycamper-ux5pv]

were you buy your stihl clone saw need info id like to buy one

[@zachrosa5416]

I was debating on buying one just for the power and ability to eun a bigger bar , but first thing ill probably do is replace the fuel cap with oem , cheers!!

[@OTAlucard]

Yep. I had an old 08 concrete saw I put the fuel cap on it from that

[@KwabenaAyaaba-fp9cc]

I bought mine $145 last months, is the price normal?

[@OTAlucard]

That's a good price but quality deviates between different companies. Where did you get yours for $145 ?

[@ic2171]

Thanks for this. I am lookin at the 070 but wanted a smaller bar. I am confused by the sizes though. 404. Have you found a different sized bar and chain for this saw?

[@OTAlucard]

Isaac Coleman how small of a bar do you want ? The bars for the 08 work I do believe

[@hdrstube]

Will any bar that is .404" pitch and .063 gauge fit the 070?

[@Screen511]

Also wanna know this. More precisely, i want to know if a bar for a MS070 can fit a real Stihl 070

[@OTAlucard]

No it has to be the large mount Stihl bar and there's a difference between the ms 880 large mount and the 070 090 08 and 076 etc bars. . 404 is the sprocket that came with mine.

[@OTAlucard]

@@Screen511 070 bar is the same as a real Stihl. Some people take and trim the bar studs to mount a smaller groove bar also. So that's an option from the old logger days just need to make sure the oil holes line up. The Oregon bars for the 070 etc sometimes have two sets of oil holes

[@thornyturtleranch4u]

Some are great and some are junk. I started the "metal and wood" channel. Ive got some really good ones and source of a good supply.

[@happycamper-ux5pv]

how much you pay for your 070 copy chasin saw with bar and chain

[@OTAlucard]

$265 no tax shipped to the door. Then it was $80 for the bar and chain. Inflation hit hard

[@bryanmartin5009]

on the 070 does it auto oil the chain?

[@OTAlucard]

Yes. It's supposedly driven by crankcase pressure and it has an option to manually pump it. There's no shortage of oil on the bar. I usually use one bar oil tank to a tank of fuel. I finally got the saw running better. It's still a work in progress but now it pulls the 42 inch good.

[@1978garfield]

Thanks for this. I wondered how these held up.

[@OTAlucard]

They hold up decently well. I smoked the PTO side seal on my 660 and got a massive air leak.

[@gyovanybarajas339]

What is the description for the guide bars that will fit this chainsaw? I have one of these that came with a 42 in bar and I’m having a hard time finding a longer bar that will fit this chainsaw

[@OTAlucard]

I think they make a 58 or 59 rolomatic. I forget. 42 hard nose was the cheapest I could find under 100 dollars

[@mrcastro8740]

Where did you buy these saws. On eBay or where. If anyone knows let me know

[@OTAlucard]

I got mine on huztl.net. But they seem too expensive now. Better off. Buying a used saw. Imo

[@nathanwest2304]

well..lcomparing the warranty on stihl vs husquvarna, there's a big gap price is not that much different imo, but chinese saws are hard to beat for the money you pay 50 bucks for a 50cc chainsaw, it works too, completely with bar and chain...that's crazy while lower quality, you pay 50 bucks just for the bar and chain if you buy brand name stuff, for the home gamer propably not worth it... let me put it like this you can buy 12 cheap chinese saws for the price of a comparably powerful stihl saw, complete with bar and chain you yould literally buy a chainsaw instead of replacing the chain and it still would be cheaper than buying stihl

[@samuelalbritton2224]

For the 070 Only replace that one bolt on the clutch? What oem parts would you replace if you could and if you know the price of that part. If you don’t know the estimate of the price no worries. How many tanks do you have through the 070. Thinking about getting both for milking. How do you feel about killing with the 660

[@OTAlucard]

I killed the 660s clutch side seal. Sadly I was going too fast and the clutch overheated. . I'm going to rebuild it. The 070 worked pretty good for milling. The oil kept leaking out of the cap was the main problem. And I couldn't easily adjust the chain. But I had a right angle flat head screw driver.

[@OTAlucard]

I probably put at least 4 or 5 gallons of fuel maybe more through the ms 070 clone and it still runs good. The rubber parts are showing their age. The throttle lock vibrated loose. I mostly use it to cut up logs into small pieces so I can haul them to the dump.

[@bigdave685]

Where can i get the clone stihls

[@OTAlucard]

Huztl sometimes. But HL supply has them also. It depends on how good their prices are. Sometimes it's better to just buy a real one.

[@dubhaltaghohearcain2431]

Do you worry about it not having a break.

[@OTAlucard]

I'm on the fence about it I've got a few small vintage saws that I love that are without chain break Also when you have a 40 plus inch bar on it it doesn't kickback that hard. If i had another 300 dollars that I didn't want i would buy another and put a 090 cylinder on it lol

[@OTAlucard]

Hey. I just posted a video of it cutting so you can see how fast it cuts with a 42 inch bar. But if you lean into it any more than that it will stall. The cheap clutch

[@alexhub4582]

Hi, thanks for the helpful discussion on these clones. Which clone do you prefer--the ms660 or the 070? The specs for the ms660 clone suggest it is more powerful yet lower weight than the 070 clone--is that the case in your experience? Thanks!

[@OTAlucard]

Well what would you be doing with it ?

[@alexhub4582]

Slabbing a 50" diameter oak with a 60" Alaskan mill. Considering a double ended blade and two powerheads.

[@OTAlucard]

TL:DR AT BOTTOM As of Right now I'm thinking about buying another 070 clone and trying to make one really good one by having another to compare to I Did that with dirt bikes Maybe I'll pick up a real 090 or real 070 to make a base line Honestly for that It would probably do the job Mine feels like it's going to fly apart but it hasn't yet for the price as of right now on Huztl US$ 334.32 I Just don't see it It was dropped back below 300 dollars recently like $285 and at that price it was a deal Cause you can buy the parts that you need for it ! I Feel like the Clutch is the weakest link with this saw And after mine wears out totally I'll swap it with an OEM Stihl clutch with an Oregon drum/rim sprocket And if that improves things It would be the best thing ever But I can't remove the clutch as of this moment without cutting it off for some reason it Just won't budge even with a puller >.< The ms660 cuts quick VERY Fast The clutch locks up and it just goes The ms070 must be low on power or something or the clutch is truly garbage It's hard to say honestly It's cut everything that I ever needed it to but I couldn't lean on it at all It would just Stop the chain and the clutch would keep slipping I Would like it to just bog a little bit and keep the clutch spinning so I Don't have to stop the cut and start over TL;DR SO FOR MILLING YOU WOULD PROBABLY SLIP THE CLUTCH AND HAVE TO STOP THE CUT AND YOU DON'T WANT THAT FOR MILLING you want the cut to keep going without stopping SO I WOULD SAY THE ms660 out of the two would be your option It's hard to say I Wish you were closer then you could just bring a log over and try them both Is there any GTG That you can go to and swap stories / ideas with ? Facebook Community near you >?

[@alexhub4582]

thanks so much for the extra analysis there, going to go with the 660 and hopefully the clutch on the one I get will do as well as the one you have

[@OTAlucard]

@@alexhub4582 you're welcome. I haven't tried with the ms660 yet But I bet it would do it. But for a comparison. I could bring my ported dolmar 120 super with a 24 inch bar to an idle. Mid cut. And gas it and it would start cutting again without pulling the bar off the wood at all. Can't do that at all with an 070 clone.

[@mathieumartin4201]

where do you go for the parts you added to the 070

[@OTAlucard]

Ebay for the clutch stuff.

[@armontomana79]

🙏👍👍

[@dubhaltaghohearcain2431]

I just spent $1300 for the Husq 395xp for chainsaw milling then I find out they sell these things for $300. Kicking myself now. Might have to get anyway. You do any chainsaw milling

[@jpoorr9973]

Don't have buyer's remorse. You bought the best chainsaw ever made in my opinion.

[@OTAlucard]

These saws are great to get somebody started. But I'm looking for a real saw to keep now. Maybe a real 660 or 395

[@OTAlucard]

Also. I've never done any milling. But I would like to !

[@flatballs4097]

From what I've read the mill is tough on any saw. I use a 2094 and 2095 but I want to switch to a 395 for the parts availability. Haven't had any problems with the Jreds and I would expect the same with a 395 but you have to take it easy or the saw won't last and that makes me want to go with the 070 or 660 clones. For the price I can buy 4 clones and mill till my body breaks

[@Steven-sf7dq]

Hey man. Nice vid. I'm interested in getting the 070. Would you mind saying what site you got it from?

[@OTAlucard]

Steven I bought it on huztl.net. I forgot to say that after a year the fuel lines need to be replaced. !

[@Bigpoppi1469]

i got an 070 & a 660 clone. other than changing a few parts out with stihl oem, i had no problems with them. i love my Chinese pieces of junk!

[@OTAlucard]

I pushed mine too hard clutch got hot on the 660. And burned out the pto seal

[@CARPETMAN6666]

I got my 660 from China just less than a year ago and it works so good that I canceled my plans to buy an 070. I bought a 52 in chain and Bar and now cut trees up and sell each cut war between two hundred and $400 a pop and beams for up to $1,000 I only spent about $500 on the saw and 52 in bar and chain

[@davidnation4437]

Is that 52 a skip chain, or regular spacing?

[@潘溫天-v2p]

哈囉先生你好你得鏈鋸好棒我喜歡以定很多錢好棒得鏈鋸

[@garengtutorial8923]

Bagus

[@philipgamboa6134]

Clone are dangerous, u don't know when it'll break apart, I'm glad I bought 070 stihl last December 1998..it never fail me.. My personal thoughts & experiences.. Cheers

[@jonathanbenoit8828]

Older sthil is built better,

[@supersawmarketing1203]

supersawmarketing.com for all the parts you need for model 070 chainsaw.

[@chemicaess]

come back to dongland

[@peanutman6593]

The only thing wrong with your video is your speaking as though you are in a library. You have good audio so speak up next time.

[@MrMEmEmEmEMEMEeeeeee]

No chit-I thought he was the announcer for a televised golf tournament at first...

[@850xp3]

Boring "

[@chrisiollich4890]

Junk!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@OTAlucard]

Yeah for the huge price they are today. But damn I made so much money running these two saws it's a good way to get you started then maybe buy like a real husq 3120xp

[@Mrsvetsare]

CANT HEAR WHAT YOU SAY,, MUMEL TO MUCH

[@evangeliststerling9602]

You chat too much mn boxside