MSC CFMOTO Clutch Kit Testing | Time to Bust Some Myths

Well guys and gals, I went through a lot of trouble to make this video for you. But I wanted to prove to you all what the effects are of the MSC Stage 1 and MSC Stage 2 Clutch Kits are. Especially targeting the myth of losing top speed and increasing clutch temperatures. SO this is one of those videos that you really need to set aside 20 minutes and really listen and watch before you ask questions of jump to conclusions. The test subject here is my 2022 CFMOTO UFORCE 1000, so results will vary with each model.
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[@danholmes9212]

Thanks for all the hard work y’all put in on the entire CFmoto line up. Can’t wait till the next CFmoto take over event

[@ryanfell5617]

Great video Blake! Keep up the good work.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Thanks Ryan!

[@t.e.a.routdooradventures]

Great video. Would love to see a video that is similar to this, but with only changing the clock settings with your stage 2, to show the differences.

[@MatrixSysTechftw]

Love what you guys are doing.. You should do a video on a belt temp sensor install and performance

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Thanks so much..

[@troylayton8572]

I'm running Super ATV arms with a Perfex lift and some custom rear shock mounts with 33x10.5x17 MTR radials on 17x7 ITP's. Stage 3 Trail kit work with butter smoothness! Love my Uforce 1000!

[@brentscott5130]

Thanks for that demonstration. 👍

[@sebian807]

Hi, it's a very good video, i just wonder did you test the service temp of Block to see if it can stand the high heat created when higher acceleration is pushed to get the vehicle off from the mud.

[@lionheart8083]

Hi Blake! Thank you for the great video, as usual very informative and exciting to watch until end. I would like to request if possible, a small video or a brief explanation about the brake in period of the 1000 Overland. for people who get it home delivery in the box. How many miles or hours should we ride it before its done? and HOW should we ride it? could we make up and down or only plane terrain... Please advise! Thank you.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Thank you very much.. and the manufacturer recommends for the first 10 hours of engine run time to take it easy and not get over half throttle position and then from 11 hours to 20 hours don’t go above 3/4 throttle position and at the 20 hour mark you can do your break in service. It’s either 20 hours or 200 miles, which ever comes first.

[@fatney89]

Any videos of putting on the msc radiator relocation kit

[@douglasbaker5949]

Installing the stage 3 in my 2022 950 ho ex. They are a lot more trouble then all the vids for the other 950s. The exhaust vent for the cvt is now part of the cover you have to remove sway bar endlinks and shock to get that cover off. The worm clamp screw was turned around so as to make it inaccessible. That will be rotated so I can access it.

[@bayboat5486]

Awesome video showing the different results, the only question I have is how smooth is the take off? Being you were going from 20 miles or so.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

It is very smooth compared to stock.. thats something you have to experience in person. Hard to capture on camera. But our first goal and number 1 priority was designing the kit to be very smooth.

[@pat2843]

Question: Wife rides a 600, 1up. The machine never sees anything over about 40mph. What kit would i need or weights maybe clocking would you suggest to lower the rpm's as they just seem way too high to me. Top speed or max power is not a concern as smooth low speed driveability is what i want for her.

[@mikkobranson3926]

How much each weight weighs? Do you recommend to install more heavier weights for bigger tires?

[@craigduncan643]

Hi I am looking for the stage one kit install and can’t find it in your library

[@joshlenger3635]

Should I go stage 1 kit if I’m on stock tires but are going to 30” tires in the future? Or should I just do the stage 2 kit. Will it still perform good with a stage 2 on shock tires?

[@peragestorsve1816]

I should have a stage 1 here in norway for my new uforce 800,it's easy to get jumpy starts hehe, my cforce 600/625 is nice , driveing always syock tires

[@farmerjoebrown2189]

Thanks man! Just what I needed. Gonna get that stage 2 for the east coast riding. You recommend 2 over 1 for mountain riding?

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Yes sir I do

[@RealTalkPowersports]

And thank you

[@MikeM100]

Thanks for the video. How is the takeoff with those clutch kits? My stock UForce 1000 is extremely jerky and just about shakes my teeth out when leaving 0mph.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Thanks Mike and we specifically designed the stage 1 and stage 2 to eliminate as much jerkiness as possible.. we made it smoother and more power.

[@Adam-xq8pu]

Terrible how jerky they are, do you send these to Australia?

[@kyleoehrlein1407]

Does the MSc clutch kit get rid of the rattle/knock from clutch when it's cold? At first I thought my valves needed to be adjusted but valves measured out good.sounds like its coming from clutch.after clutch warms up noise goes away.just kinda annoying the first 10 mintues.

[@michaelmessin5307]

Blake, I just got a 2022 uforce 1000. I have added 28 inch tires. I want msc clutch kit. Should I go with the stage 1 or stage 2 clutch kit?

[@Thatgoodlife225]

I’m running 34” inch tires on a gen 1 z-force 950 I bought a stage 3 Mac clutch kit and still smoking belts could it be I just need to adjust it

[@matthewaskew7380]

Bloody excellent content you guys provide. Could you PLEASE find a fix for the CVT letting go on steep decent. Low revs goes into free spool and takes off. Very dangerous I live in mountain territory Australia. 2022 CFMOTO Cforce 1000 cheers guys.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Thanks so much and I know exactly what you are referring to. What you have to do when you are descending a hill and the rpms drop and the clutch disengaged the belt.. so u have to tap the throttle to make the rpms jump back to the belt engagement rpm and the clutches will engage and the engine braking will then ofcourse work.. I know it doesn't feel natural to tap the throttle while going down a hill.. but if you will practice on a slope that is safe, you will grow comfortable with how it works and then begin to love the engine brake

[@opie7afe]

Even my 500 just ever so slightly hit the throttle and just crawls right down...I really like the engine braking don't need to use brakes that much which is nice.

[@catman1050]

Just recently started watching your vids in preparation for picking up a U600. Have lots of time testing and tuning clutches on sleds. Have you ever tested S1, S2, and S3 with stock tires? If so, link or results. I was searching thru vids to see if I could find anything, but nothing jumped out at me. TIA...r

[@urbanairgunner6402]

I installed the stage 1 and it pushed up my RPMs to high for my liking. I just don't feel as if these engines can handle long-term high RPMs like that. I get it if ypu are a bogger or a hill climber. I went back stock. I'd rather buy a new belt than a new engine.

[@connerl.186]

So I ordered the new a arms when they first came out, was looking at 32” tires to go with it. Can you do a video with 32s-33s on a stock machine with the new a arms? I’d really like to know if I need the clutch kit before everything gets here lol. I understand you had 34s on that test unit but it was babied in the videos understandably.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Hey Conner.. we left that uforce with Moorhead so they could develop some more stuff for the future.. but we should have it back next week and we will really run it harder

[@RealTalkPowersports]

But if this will help your decision, I am running 30s and I wouldn't want to run it without the Stage 2 kit. So with the 32s or 33s I would most definitely want the stage 2 kit

[@connerl.186]

Thanks brother! Will add this to the cart haha

[@joerenaud8490]

Hi Blake I ordered a stage 2 and I got a new washer and spring for the primary. I don't see you with a washer?

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Hey brother yes I use the washer with the stage 1 or stage 2 clutch kit in mine.. I just didn't catch that on film

[@sausageslaps]

what would cause the primary to not pull in all the way? have a 2018 zforce 1000, engine hitting rev limiter speed maxing out at 71 kmh, secondary appears to be good, moves free no bad wear on it yet it still wont pull in. took primary apart no problems i can see

[@mikedemanuel3608]

Blake, is the stage one kit the same as the airdam clutch kit you guys started out selling? If so why did you not reclock the spring?

[@RealTalkPowersports]

It is not the same.. all New setup.. different weights and spring

[@mikedemanuel3608]

@@RealTalkPowersports I'm going to be picking up a zforce 950 ho sport next week. Keeping the stock tires. Looking for a quicker engagement and smooth take off. What stage would you suggest? Stage one?

[@dennishuffman2488]

Are these tests with stock computer??

[@johnoz1978]

Have you got anyone in Australia that’s selling your clutch kits.

[@mikedemanuel3608]

What is the benefit if any of the stage two kit with stock tires? I'm looking for faster engagement and smoother take off. Will stage 2 do anything over stage one for this or is it basically for running larger tires? Thanks Blake Zforce 950 Ho sport.

[@RealTalkPowersports]

The stage 1 kit will give smoother engagement and quicker. The stage 2 just adds a lot more bottom end torque and pull through the mid range and helps with belt pinch so that you are less likely to slip your belt when you get in a bind or stuck.

[@mikedemanuel3608]

@@RealTalkPowersports Ok. Thanks for answering. I appreciate it. Keep up the good work.👍

[@mikedemanuel3608]

Just received my stage one kit. I noticed that it comes with a washer. Not sure where it is supposed to go? Behind the spring in front of the spring? Am I adding the washer or swapping it out ? I don't see anything on any of your videos about it. Maybe you can shed some light on it. Thank You

[@SpartanProWash]

@@mikedemanuel3608 it goes behind the primary spring if you haven’t already figured it out.

[@mikedemanuel3608]

@@SpartanProWash Yup. All good. Thanks

[@adrianjones9264]

Will you send this stage 1 kit to Australia please??

[@RealTalkPowersports]

sure can.. just contact the parts department through text msg by texting the MSC Store number and request help with a shipment to Australia.

[@jonwitmer-cs9yr]

I have a 2022 Uforce 1000. With only 25 hours and 150 miles it was jerking very bad on take off. I saw your video and contacted the dealership. They ordered the stage 2 kit from you and installed it. They also installed a new belt. I still have jerking on takeoff and I’m hearing a whining noise in the clutch when pulling hills. Could it have been installed wrong?

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Yes if the secondary was not put back together correctly then yes it could jerk and slip the belt..

[@jonwitmer-cs9yr]

Thank you for the quick response. So I’m clear the stage 2 kit should give the matching a very smooth take off correct? I will advise the dealership and schedule it to be checked.

[@franex932]

GUYS DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THE B1, C1 etc settings do.

[@bradleydevoe6586]

My little cf4 hunters will do 110 it's the long seas for hunters with the left kiss go up beside the highway and I'm doing 110

[@davorcujic6549]

Hi...i geting stage 2 kit for overland 1000,what setup combination i'll should use for road use ti decrease fuel consumption,maybe B,1???Manufacturer of stage 2 clutch kit is Vauhti Varikko...tnx

[@RealTalkPowersports]

You will need to clock at B1 with the Stage 2 Kit

[@davorcujic6549]

@@RealTalkPowersports thank you soooo much for advice,i hope so that setup will help me in fight with consumption...now it's about 15lit/100km at full road use (cruise speed is 60-85 km/h)...power is not point for me,i want high speed at lower rpm's...soo once more time biggg tnx for advice...

[@kerryksd2695]

I am confused. You said n a previous video of stage two clutch saying you will get what everything in a stage one plus the stage two spring. This video says buy the stage one first. Question. If you buy a stage two does it come with the stage one parts too?

[@kerryksd2695]

Video was three months ago cfmoto msc stage two testing

[@stevecrane6894]

Yes if you buy the stage 2 kit, you will also get the stage one kit.

[@sonnyeatpn4295]

I've bought 2 stage 2, neither came with a stage 1 kit

[@Rescuetech16]

You can buy them separately. But if you buy their stage 2 spring , you need to go with their stage 1 kit for the primary. You can buy the stage 1 and 2 as a package . go look at their website .

[@grahampahl7100]

Do you guys ship to Australia?

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Yes we do. Just reach out to the Parts department at MSC by texting their number and asking for a shipping request to Australia [phone]

[@rvaldesrr]

Hello, how can I buy a kit for cfmoto uforce 1000. I'm in Chile. I have searched on amazon and ebay and it does not appear through that sales channel. Do you have an office outside the US? do you have email?

[@ronpage101]

With stock size tires, will you still gain top speed?

[@RealTalkPowersports]

I havent tested stock tires with stage 2 but I have with stage 1 and it worked great!! No loss of speed

[@ronpage101]

@@RealTalkPowersports Alright. I'll let you all know when I install mine how it goes.

[@Dag-Tore]

European byers should go where?

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Vauhti Varikko

[@vakosukhita2127]

@@RealTalkPowersports Vauhti Varikko's clutch kits are significantly more expensive than MSC clutch kits. Do I have to buy Vauhti Varikko's clutch kits for my European Cforce? Or can I put MSC clutch kit on my EU Cforce 520? I think there won't be any difference between US Cforce 500S and EU Cforce 520 CVT s.

[@franex932]

were can I buy this tool ???

[@RealTalkPowersports]

Teammscparts.com

[@peragestorsve1816]

Stock*

[@Gokywildcats11]

Labor hours to replace the clutch kit

[@bradleydevoe6586]

It didn't even do nothing one kilometer faster

[@pistolpete5356]

I have a 2023 uforce 1000xl and plan on leaving the stock tires on. What kit do i need to get rid of the jerkyness?