MSI GF75 Thin - Review

Another one! Second review of 2021, the MSI GF75 Thin. Sporting a 3060, budget friendly let's see how it looks on the surface and deep down. I feel that I am a bit hard on this one. But there are a few too many compromises...
Specs
1080p 144Hz IPS Panel
i7 10750H - 6 Cores 12 Threads
16GB Memory @ 2666Mhz
RTX 3060 6GB 75Watt
1TB NVMe SSD
51Wh 3 Cell Battery
Link to Notebook...
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#MSIGF75 #Review #GamingLaptop

[@CETechTips]

I didn't go easy on this one. Budget gaming laptop has compromises. Let me know what your opinion is.

[@flowgikabdln4519]

Really nice, great review, i just bought one today and I'm waiting for the delivery. You make me fear the worst but I understand you're really exigent so I think I could may be satisfy myself with. I'll tell you. PS. Scuze my English, I'm French 🥖

[@mikeh2006]

@@flowgikabdln4519 Don't worry this is a great laptop, and not just for the money. I've had mine 18 monthes now. My only complaint is the touch pad which twice has stopped working properly. As for performance, you won't be wanting more.

[@martren5282]

Me who bought this laptop yesterday and decided to watch one extra review video: *heavy sweating*

[@mikeh2006]

@@martren5282 you've nothing to worry about

[@CETechTips]

@@martren5282 just enjoy it, unless you don't like the items I mentioned.

[@notreal5826]

Thank you so much for posting this, overall your video has definitely given me a lot to think about before I make a decision on buying a laptop. I really appreciate that you brought up some other points that I didn't find in any online reviews that I read.

[@CETechTips]

Thanks glad you liked it!

[@I...2728]

@@CETechTips i already have bought this and it's on his way.. not sure now if i should keep it or return it.. Pls help 🥺

[@CETechTips]

@@I...2728 if you like it keep it. If there are items you don't like return it.

[@abdoshorbagy]

I love ur reviews ❤

[@CETechTips]

Thanks!

[@fl3963]

Heyyy thanks for the great review!! Great job. I feel like you didn't go too hard on this one, maybe could have stressed more that it tries to fit into the budget "thin and light" niche for 17 inchers, so maybe for people looking for that niche specifically it might be something. Many thanks for your insights, really helps!!

[@CETechTips]

Thanks, glad you liked it!

[@danielagainststone7177]

Thx for the review. I was about to buy this laptop but now I have to think twice about it.

[@CETechTips]

Glad I could help.

[@chriss881000]

@@CETechTips same here, was about to throw 2400$ on this. I think i owe u some money😅

[@Vanlost]

I bought it and it's the best I could find with my budget. The only problem is overheating but that's normal for almost every gaming laptop. You seem to be quite hard on this one for some reason.

[@liammathews2640]

I just got this computer too and absolutely love it. I find tech youtubers are usually extremely hard on laptops it seems nothing pleases them lmao

[@ghillie7897]

Bro back in 2017 I bought an Acer 950 used it for Hours straight running hot.. it's still alive and well.. it's pretty common with laptops to have high temperatures 👍

[@Vanlost]

​@@ghillie7897 Exactly but cooler booster is well enough to reduce the heat more than other laptops. It is quite successful for AAA games. It has been 3 months and no problem at all. But my old laptop was Dell and they are not very good at cooling. The laptop would often shut itself that I needed to clean the fan and replace the paste once every 3 months. It was a pain.

[@ghillie7897]

@@Vanlost nice glad to hear that, mine arrives tomorrow very excited! Also using external Laptop Fans helps too!

[@amaanmajid3887]

my fans are soooo loud. when im running a game i feel the part of the laptop just above the fans and its soooo hot. i go to the dragon center to check the cpu temperatrure and its usually 90. cpu usage is always very high (above 80%).

[@lajimimohamedayoub3009]

thanks for the great review!! Great job

[@CETechTips]

Thanks for watching!

[@thirtythirty9054]

nice clip. you save my money. yeah 75TDP is bad. but thatz right now the problem with the notebook 30r GPUs

[@madmardigan3321]

Thanks for the review. I guess I'll be happy with my asus rog strix g15 2070 115w for a couple of years at this rate. Until there is a substantial performance boost vs cost 👌

[@CETechTips]

Yeah if you have the 2070 at 115W I think you will be good to skip this gen.

[@merrillie]

I have already ordered this laptop and am just waiting on it to arrive, sound is not overly important to me as I usually wear headphones. Photo and video processing are important and the ability to run programs like Adobe Creative Suite is critical. My current laptop is a GE62 7RE Apache Pro and it has been great especially after I upgraded to 32gb Ram and 1TB SSD. The new one's specs have been upgraded by CUK are are CUK MSI GF75 Thin Gamer Notebook (Intel i7-9750H, 64GB RAM, 2TB NVMe SSD + 2TB HDD, NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1650 4GB, 17.3" FHD 120Hz IPS-Level, Windows 10 Home) Gaming Laptop Computer.

[@JakeWorden]

So is the gf75 basically a slightly bigger paneled gf65? You can spec them out to be basically identical and I WAS going to get the gf65 but I saw that this gf75 looked to have very similar specs but with a slightly bigger screen. Is this true?

[@tkim5815]

Honest review(10/10)

[@CETechTips]

Thanks, glad you liked it.

[@ren7sp25]

Better alternatives?

[@derdjedder]

What would U recommend instead?

[@Itz_Traphyy]

Hey what would you recommend the gf75 or the gf65

[@dianabalderama4959]

Would you recommend this for architectural works such as CAD, Lumion, and other 3d softwares? Thanks!

[@CETechTips]

It will work for it just fine.

[@dannysgameclips9384]

What laptop do you recommend can you do a list for that same price

[@cambazblood]

MSI GF75 Thin 10UEK-048 Is there an extra ssd slot, nvme or sata 3? It has 512 gb nvme ssd and 1 tb hdd in it for now. Also, does the temperature of the rear fan outlets damage the screen? Thanks

[@fl3963]

One question about the GF75: Does it have a "silent" profile and does that mute the fans under idle/light tasks (office etc.)? And if so, does it stick even after a reboot or do you have to turn it back on every time?

[@CETechTips]

There is a silent profile, I can still here the fans in quiet places. Already sent it back can't confirm if it sticks on reboot. I thought it does though.

[@fl3963]

Can you review the new 2021 Lenovo Legions, especially 5 Pro and 7? They look like great value for money from what I gathered :)

[@CETechTips]

Yes I do want to bring those in for testing as well.

[@lathurarloux9628]

Hey! Do you think I should get this msi (32gb ram, 1tb ssd, rtx3060) or asus rog strix g17 2020 (16gb ram, 1tb ssd, rtx2070) ?

[@Dieliito]

Hi do u think this laptop work best for gaming?

[@venkats2082]

Can you review the dell g15 ryzen edition Rex 3060 version. Don’t go easy on it and you will need to manually update drivers from nvidia since it’s dell

[@zoxton5071]

my only question is what's the downsides of laptop being thin

[@williamblake7386]

It never ceases to fascinate me. People really think that the more watts the better. In a laptop. One question to these people just to check. Do you realize that 10% more or less fps is hardly distinguishable and 10 more decibels is double the noise?

[@orbits2754]

Love the honesty in your review, you mentioned that there's laptops that beat it out at the same price point. What specific ones did you have in mind?

[@CETechTips]

The new MSI GS 2021 series is what I would look at.

[@ihavenoname3925]

@@CETechTips isn't that the high end model of msi?.. gs66 is very expensive

[@YTCPH1]

Can u dissamble and assemble it again?

[@rashadrash9984]

recommend best laptop for doing Video editing(Adobe after effect)and other adobe products

[@cameramen340]

Is it loud, fan?

[@MrNata972]

is it vr ready?

[@MrCraftGamer-xq9ec]

I have a question does this laptop have a mini DisplayPort port. And what type of HDMI port is it 1.4 or 2.0?

[@LordLuc94]

2.0 because this one supports 4K 60fps while 1.4 limits at 30fps.

[@breadwater4952]

Price???

[@MrCraftGamer-xq9ec]

Since this laptop has a rtx 3060 graphics card. Docs that mean I can plug a external g-sync monitor and will the g-sync work?.

[@CETechTips]

No gsync on this one unfortunately 😔.

[@marvelmarvel4504]

Give me advice please I can't still choose msi laptops First - MSI GE66 raider RTX 3070 8GB 1080 full hd ips 240hz ram: 32gb ssd: 1tb . intel core i7 10750h Second - MSI GP76 Leopard RTX3070 8GB 1080full hd ips 144hz Ram: 16gb ssd:512gb intel core i7 11800h First MSI GE 66 costs 100 $ more than gp76 Point using laptop is for gaming. I am going to use laptop at home mostly. If I go to travel somewhere of course I will use my iPad for only watching movies while I'm in airplane or train, if i play games while flying in airplane with 17 inches I may not have enough space at passengers seat and for sure battery won't be enough if I plan to play games. So about laptop I'm stuck with ge66 for only that screen has a 240hz and with ssd memory also ram memory which higher than gp76. About GP76 main reason that stops me to buy that screen 144hz and Korean letter keyboard and of course it has a English words too on it, in addition positive side about gp76 is only 11th gen CPU but ram and ssd I can upgrade if I really choose gp76 . Sorry for my English and thank you for your attention

[@christianhulse300]

Would this run old school runescape.

[@Garrett1974]

You are critical... But fair. Thanks for the review

[@edgarslip1842]

Hey thx for the review ! what pc would you recommend with a budget of 1600 ? Or would it be worth it to spend a bit more money maybe ?

[@hippopotamus86]

Not a lot you can buy with 1600 yen.

[@MxN23]

Okay dude, the thing i don't like the most is that noise. I like when laptop is quiet, but I don't think it will satisfy me when I'd like to play some simple games like league of legends. I'm planning to buy 17 inch gaming laptop, but there is so little choice. Recently I heard the newest 17inch Legions 5 will arrive in July, so I decided to wait a bit. I believe the Legions could be a better choice for me. How about review them?

[@olaf5929]

There is a lot of choice. Just all choices are bad. I just reduce the clocks in turbo to get over overheating.

[@joelconolly5574]

Man I was looking for a good comparison for an RTX3060 vs RTX2070 Super on laptops to see whether it's worth getting the newer cards. After seeing this I think the RTX 2070S is comparatively better still. But there are other options like the Acer Nitro 5, Gigabyte G5 and a few Ton Fang ones. All run at a slightly higher 80-105 watts TDP. I'd like to see how the rest will compare to that.

[@CETechTips]

Thanks for watching, yes the 2070S are still better compared to the 3060. But my other video on thr GP66 with a 3070 does perform much better, besting the 2080 often. I'll see if I can bring those one you suggested in.

[@joelconolly5574]

@@CETechTips take your time my dudes. I don't mind the wait. The 3070 is pretty powerful compared to all 20 series graphics it's already a league of its own. Ofc all power cards are pretty hot card. So a bigger 17 inch could be key in keeping it cool yet powerful. Hopefully we can see slightly bigger laptops with powerful specs coming in the mix.

[@Harolddespui]

With Raytracing the 3060 smokes the 2070.

[@sondreaurlund]

can i play minecraft on this without any problems with fps and lag ( and using a shaderpack) if CE tech tips don`t anwer plz do yourself;)

[@jarydbrickhill4708]

I know this is an old video but I'm really looking for some help on how to boost my cpu from the stock 2.6ghz up to about 3.5ghz.... If you can give me any help on this I'd really appreciate it

[@NSGTip]

I just ordered this laptop. Im upgrading from a GTX 960 from 2015 to this newer laptop. Im just trying to run GTA in Very High & Ultra settings with my RTX 3060, along with video editing. Should I be okay?

[@CETechTips]

This will be a big upgrade, you should be able to.

[@NSGTip]

@@CETechTips Thank you! This review scared the hell out of me.

[@arjunko2638]

Would you recommend this laptop for video editing ?

[@CETechTips]

You can certainly use this to do that.

[@damonr1957]

I saw this pc for 1100€ but idk if we can udpate the vbios and increase the w, pls help

[@alexanderle3936]

what is the extreme coooler boost mean in the benchmarks? is it like an external cooler or something?

[@CETechTips]

Just fans at max speed.

[@axljamar4096]

Hi! I was thinking to buy this laptop for gaming, most of the time I play ps5, but I want a good laptop for games like Total War, satisfactory. Games you can’t have one Playstation. My price range is about €1600. Since you don’t recommend it, witch one should I consider?

[@axljamar4096]

I’m talking about the MSI gf75 thin 10uek-005be azerty. That’s the one you’re reviewing, right?

[@sobersuds]

I have this laptop, but for some reason I cannot get the color on the keyboard to change from the awful red...I have followed all the steps from getting the steelseries engine 3 but it will not work. How did you get yours to change colors? Awesome review by the way!

[@CETechTips]

Thanks for the comment. This variant has two specs for the keyboard. One that is per key rgb and one that is one zone. I would think it is not just one colour though.

[@CETechTips]

Mine just came out of the box with the rainbow 🌈

[@sitsia3808]

Same problem here... i can't even find where the fuck engine 3 is.. i try downloading it and all it gives me is this "SteelSeries gg" program. but no SteelSeries 3 installed..

[@sobersuds]

@@sitsia3808 steelseries.com/engine try this, not sure if you tried this. sadly for me it will not work because I do not have the RGB keyboard, but if you do try to install right there it says steelseries engine, and do windows. then you open it and go to gear! hope this helps a bit.

[@williamcohen3351]

I agree it is a fair laptop. Even though it is a gaming PC it has a ten key numpad which is also for non gamers. MSi needs to redesign their keyboard layout. It is not very good. They should reduce the size of the key above the tab key, the tab key, the shift lock key the shift key and the control key all on the left side of the keyboard and move the rest of the keys over to the left and then increase the size of the 0 key on the numpad to simulate calculator keyboard. Also the keys on the numpad should be a little larger and spaced out a little to allow one to input numbers at a much faster rate. Otherwise if not they should get rid of the numpad on their PC's. The current design of their keyboard might look pretty with all the flashing lights but its layout can definitely be improved. This is true on all their PC's. Good review.

[@CETechTips]

Thanks for sharing. I agree, just not an optimal design for keyboard layout.

[@rafaelpineda9610]

Gracias, vi la reseña y la había pedido pero cancele el pedido, se de pc pero de laptop me di cuenta que no sabia nada, me deje engañar por la 3060 viendo que una 2070 con más watts es mejor

[@Tenshisin]

So you don't hit the windows key gaming when you want to hit left key CTRL , simple concept of that being a logical factor giving it is a gaming marketed laptop.

[@DigitalN]

I think the thing I dislike most about this unit is how much that screen wobbles... every time you touch it or even bump the table it's wobbling for 2-3 seconds! I haven't seen a screen do that in so long

[@CETechTips]

Good eye, I didn't even mention that, so many things wrong with this design.

[@prateekbhardwaj9943]

can i use it as programming (heavy tools like visual studio , multitasking) ?

[@CETechTips]

You could for sure might a bit slower for the real heavy tasks but should work just fine

[@fernandoguevara9362]

So... 1300usd is a lot for this gf75 3060 75w, specially if an alienware with 2070 super max-p is 1400dlls on bestbuy, And a 1700usd gp66 3070 115w might be a much better choice, Still better or on par with the TUF Dash f15 with 4 cores 11th gen i7 11370h 3060 80w for 1150usd?

[@CETechTips]

I havent tested the Dash but on the surface it looks like it has good value.

[@MARCM0DE]

@@CETechTips don't be fooled only an 80w 3060/3070 and a 4, core i7 which has some sort of bottleneck. Plus the screen is absolutely garbage with tons of ghosting and horrid color accuracy. The ghosting is so bad I wouldn't be surprised if this was an "overclocked" 120hz to 144hz with a 144hz label. A 2060/2070 max-p laptop would probably be better if heavily discounted Even at just 1099 I'd say hard pass. So far the Omen and Lenovo looks pretty decent at that sub 1200$ price point though.

[@davidulmer9774]

Allot of these would probably be a better purchase, if you can actually get one. It took me 3 weeks of scouring every site I could find before I found this one. I'm jumping from a strix gl703vm with 7700k and 1060 6 gb to this one, so I think I can settle for now until things actually come back in stock In a few years lol.

[@prakashrajpandeya1042]

In the specification, they write 7 hours of battery life. But I am disappointed when I found battery life just around 2 hours 30 min.

[@owlgamer4120]

If you don’t play games and only do web browsing it will last that log by if you game it will take a lot of battery every gaming laptop for games take a lot of battery

[@LordLuc94]

Well most 2070 (Supers) laptops in here are way more expensive in here then this 75W capped 3060 at least.

[@alfredkachor69]

Hi guys, maybe someone know is it possible to connect 2k 165 hz monitor to this laptop? I can get only 60 hz from hdmi

[@testlan7765]

Temp is the big deal. I thought it could be the cpu problem. even i5 10500H, I thought it will encounter some temp issue during the long run. that's the concerns. even good deal like $1249, I actually prefer the M1.

[@fl3963]

Here's an idea: I like how you're giving an overall "IMO score" at the end. Maybe you can expand on that in the context of pricing, because prices fluctuate like crazy these days (mining, pandemic, eBay, etc.). So maybe in addition to your IMO score you could say something like "at the time of filming, I would buy this laptop for X amount of money" (maximum being "I would buy this at MSRP"). Whaddya think? :)

[@CETechTips]

Sure I'll give that some thought, my challenge is there is a bunch of pricing across countries and exchange rate. I suppose I can just focus on US as the standard. Thanks for the suggestion.

[@fl3963]

@@CETechTips I didn't really think it through 100% but maybe an idea :)

[@buunguyen8021]

with a decent laptop cooler pad its a decent gaming laptop

[@GerryReid]

you should review the GE76, its excellent, far superior to the Alienware M17 imo, cooler, fast, ok battery, great sound

[@CETechTips]

I have the GE76 just working on the unboxing and first impressions video. Looking forward to reviewing it.

[@govarthenanrajadurai9817]

Hey buddy... I loved your review and thinking about buying this one. Would you recommend it for some non-serious gaming and studies? (mostly AI, machine learning related stuff) Also, please recommend good laptops that cost no more than 1500USD.

[@CETechTips]

This one or the Asus Tuf F15, should be in your budget.

[@govarthenanrajadurai9817]

@@CETechTips Thanks, man :) And you meant the ASUS TUF DASH F15, right?

[@CETechTips]

@@govarthenanrajadurai9817 yes you bet

[@govarthenanrajadurai9817]

@@CETechTips Thanks. How is the webcam of the GF75? Is it usable? How good is the build? Is it a reliable, strong one?

[@NovalTempest]

I found this product at Costco for $700 would you think that, this deal is a good deal for what I'm getting in this laptop?

[@NovalTempest]

@@cvshav what games have you played on it?

[@NovalTempest]

@@cvshav I want to be trying to play apex legends or even call of Duty cold war/warzone to join my brothers playing since they play on xbox and switch

[@olaf5929]

It's a good deal. GPU intensive and 2d or 2.5d games will run fine on it.

[@foicaputereadragostei]

hello. how you solve the overheating?. when i edit or i play games cpu temperature is on 90 - 95 constantly, if i don't turn on cooler boost, how to fix this problem?

[@davidulmer9774]

There a few things you can do to help with that. Put something under the rubber feet in the rear to raise it about 1/4 inch. This will help some but not much. Under volting the CPU will cool it down a few degrees and help prevent throttling. The best thing you can do is to repaste the GPU and CPU. They use cheap thermal paste on these and using something like artic silver or thermal grizzly will drop the temps from 10 - 20 degrees. If you do this just please be careful as many parts are.very easy to break.

[@jay-id4du]

Go to power plan > balanced > advanced power setting > processor power management > lower minimum rate to 5% and maximum rate to 95%.

[@foicaputereadragostei]

@@jay-id4du it will perform poorly. I need maximum performance

[@foicaputereadragostei]

@@davidulmer9774 I have a 4 year warranty on it. I can't open it

[@jay-id4du]

@@foicaputereadragostei what rate does the cpu usually run at when playing games? Sounds like you need to underclock

[@MrCraftGamer-xq9ec]

Can this laptop handle VR games at least at 60 frames?

[@CETechTips]

I don't think so, without reducing image quality. I would look at 3080 with a TDP of 150Watt.

[@olaf5929]

No.

[@coltonf300]

I got this for $300 off, was that worth it?

[@sethwalker5867]

Yes

[@TAPM3298]

So does this mean that gf75 thin is a bad laptop?

[@hotdog4698]

Absolutely not. Look at other reviews. Depending on your requirements and expectations. It's one of the best around its price point.

[@michaelmcintosh9378]

Bought mine for 1499.00 CAD... I think that's a good enough deal to make it worth it :D

[@hotdog4698]

Same. It beat every other laptop the store had at the price point. The other option was the Asus Tuf F15 but I heard from everybody that the overheating is REALLY bad on that model.

[@CETechTips]

@@hotdog4698 That is a great price for that spec. Enjoy!

[@vaporjoes]

Bro.. there are so many versions of the GF75 you need to put the specs in the title.

[@CETechTips]

Specs are in the description.

[@DetFlex]

Great review. What would u suggest for an editing laptop? Looking towards an i7 10th gen with minimum 2060 gpu. Budget $1200-1400. Your suggestions would be awesome. Big Flex Like 😎👍

[@ullasbabu1732]

Acer predator helios 300

[@DetFlex]

@@ullasbabu1732 thanks a bunch bro 😁👍

[@jaderington]

Truly harsh 😢 You'll hurt it's fe fees. Kids can't afford much else. I thought it was nice looking. I just bought one for music production, it should be okay for that. It beats my 12 year old dual core pentium 210gh (still working fine) but struggling on synthesising emulator tasks. The others were so expensive in their thousands. I'm not trying to get on Top of the pops anymore !

[@curtismunro3244]

Who cares what the touch pad sounds like? Seems like nit picking.

[@Koovi]

2070 105W 2500$ 3060 70W 1500$ This laptop is insanely good I play low/medium settings on every game you mentioned and got 144 frames per second. I also use this laptop to dual pc stream and I just can’t thank enough nividia broadcast software on this laptop is awesome!

[@salimcoban2252]

finally someone makes sense

[@almanduku9043]

Why is Watt so important bro? Can you tell a bit?

[@Miguelmonpereira]

can you run fortnite really well on this?

[@CETechTips]

Fairly decent for sure.

[@BopKitBill]

I think your review was a little canted. The actual specs online show the case as aluminum....at least according to Best Buy and Amazon ....If mine is plastic it sure doesn't feel like it....it's cool to the touch....You seem like you were trying to slag the machine....I'll be doing rendering and changed to the studio driver. Not a big gamer and for what I paid this machine seems pretty sweet!

[@CETechTips]

Glad it works for you. I think you are right about the lid for sure. I was certainly viewing this from a gaming bias.

[@savvykavvy9507]

Was looking into this one, but now it's a pass. Can you recommend another gaming notebook in a similar price range?

[@MrCraftGamer-xq9ec]

Can this laptop do overclocking?

[@CETechTips]

You might be able to squeeze some out of the GPU, but the CPU needs more cooling.

[@MrCraftGamer-xq9ec]

@@CETechTips like a cooling pad?

[@CETechTips]

@@MrCraftGamer-xq9ec That should help a bit. I did not have one to test with myself.

[@olaf5929]

No. Most gaming laptops are already factory overclocked that's why they run so hot.

[@mattholt8339]

After owning it since Feb-12-21 its not worth it dont buy not cappable of most it should bench mark for it lacks in as shown dont waste your time i bought mine 860 cash spend your money else where id prefer you not waste your money

[@hyolickme1121]

its 180w actually

[@ihavenoname3925]

the charger is 180 watts.. the 75 watts is the nvidia gpu

[@MARCM0DE]

I wouldn't touch this laptop with a 20 foot pole

[@CETechTips]

Agreed 👍

[@Harolddespui]

But do you know better/faster laptops with per key RGB for this price? I can't name any.

[@sacredxgeometry]

Oh great you got the 3060 and I got the fucking 1650 Lmao. I always get the short end of the stick

[@luckyme4153]

hey

[@CETechTips]

Hello!

[@share1231]

This review is very bad. Why you challange this laptop with other most expansive ? You should check nitro 5, legion 5 or something like this vs gf75 and that will be good review

[@sfh294]

Having a bad day? Lol

[@GerryReid]

gaming performance very poor

[@CETechTips]

Yes agreed

[@Harolddespui]

Name a laptop for this price with better gaming performance.

[@siiil21]

one and a half years of owning this laptop.. ( STAY AWAY PEOPLE ) only disappointment.

[@sandeeptyagi5774]

Preety mediocre laptop. Looks ugly as well