MSP Standards 25 yard shot

[@carbonking53]

Interesting sweeping draw and presentation technique. Very different from the technique Jedi teaches where your support hand meets the gun at the sternum with the muzzle slightly high and as you press out using his wave grip technique the dot drops from the twelve o'clock position into the optic window.

[@Wolf_1775]

Was that from AIWB or overt rigs? And the idea to muzzle up was to get a visual index of the muzzle sooner to orient things before dropping the dot into view. Still getting the muzzle in view, and the dot is dropping down from the 12. It's just minimal. It's more noticable if I do it AIWB. Saw similar in Jedi's class. He demos a more exaggerated cant upwards, but it was minimalized when he went for speed.

[@DoubleTapLuke]

What camera are you using? And if it’s just your phone what are you using to edit the lighting and saturation? Quality looks really good

[@Wolf_1775]

A74, Sigma 24-70mm Art lens, Premiere Pro. Pretty sure this was shot in SLog3.

[@trehawker4045]

Bowling ball draw. Next we will be learning the fishing pole draw.

[@Wolf_1775]

Term I've been hearing is the "escalator". Under 1.5 seconds with A zone hits, so not sure what more you could ask for. I guess sub 1.0 second A zone hits at 25 yards?

[@trehawker4045]

@@Wolf_1775 Then I believe a straight punch to the target (after contact with the support hand) would shave a couple hundredths of the top. If you can prove that it wouldn't, then I'm definitely giving your method a go. I'm in awe at your speed, and accuracy.

[@Wolf_1775]

There isn't much difference between the two methods using an OWB setup. It becomes situational dependent and personal preference. Jedi himself has said the same. What has been noted is that it seems to take less effort using the escalator method, and it seems to be the more efficient path for the firearm to go. However, if you're already used to bringing the gun up more (just above the sternum) before marrying your grip, then just keep doing that. You're likely going to be more used to bringing the gun up and punching straighter out if you're used to AIWB too, though you can use both if you practice it. Neither method is necessarily right or wrong. What I don't like is bringing the gun all the way up to near shoulder level before punching out though. That puts joints in weird angles and positions and robs efficiency. Punching out to the target also tends to introduce a slight wobble left/right as well, vs coming straight up/down. It's more pronounced depending on how high you bring the gun up before punching out. I will say that I think Jedi prefers marrying his hands a little further up, but I'd have to go through slow motion footage since he's lightning fast. I start earlier just because of where my hands start out on my belt. Personal preference, and you'll probably see a slight shift if I started like it were USPSA with hands relaxed at the sides instead of on my belt.

[@trehawker4045]

@@Wolf_1775 thank you very much for passing on this wisdom. It would appear that I prefer somewhere in between you and Jedi in relationship to meeting up with my support hand. I guess there really is no one size fits all. I'll keep that in mind next time I get yelled at for drawing similar to you, or Jedi. God bless.

[@Wolf_1775]

@@trehawker4045 we're all here to learn, dude. There is no "one true way", just a way. If it works for you, then awesome. If it doesn't, then figure out why it doesn't and then move forward. Also, anyone who yells at you for having a draw that's similar to Jedi either doesn't know much, or knows something and really needs to explain it out. I can't think of too many folks who would be better to learn from and emulate.