MTA unveils new turnstiles to 'stop the bleed' from fare evasion

[@supportmytroups7]

When I went to UK it was interesting to see how different their turnstiles were. To big to jump, not easy to have two people go in at one time. And required you to enter your pass into a machine to leave the station

[@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762]

Did you notice that you pay based on how fare you travel?

[@TransitAndTeslas]

Also, know that the UK turnstiles were MADE IN SAN DIEGO CALIFORNIA, by CUBIC, the same company that makes the New York ones!

[@KidKingdomHearts]

@@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762 that pay by distance system won’t work in nyc because of gentrification. If pushed the poor further and further out so it’d be a tax on the poor if we use that system.

[@joermnyc]

London fares are zone based, so it calculates which zone you entered and which zone you left. Interestingly the bus fare is capped after a certain number of rides the bus becomes free for the rest of the day.

[@kaasmeester5903]

Nice thing about the UK ones is that these days you don't even need a fare card to ride, you can use your debit card or phone to pay. I remember seeing some interesting barriers in Russia, they were always open and would close only if you didn't insert a fare card or coin. Made for very high throughput.

[@hansonel]

These modern turnstyles are what other world cities have had for decades now. Many subway systems in Europe even have platform gates to stop people from jumping or being pushed in front of the trains.... the MTA is still stuck in the 1970's & 1980's but good to see they're trying to catch up with the rest of the world finally.

[@aarondublin9025]

Shut up please

[@askbob]

Someone is making a buck , these people are so incompetent. They make a plexi glass sound like cure fo cancer.

[@joermnyc]

Platform screen doors would be great, but the system has a mix of trains with car doors in different places. Until the entire car fleet is homologous screen doors won’t work.

[@4markie]

The USA is not a good country

[@AmusingPlayer]

education is also stuck in the 1970s and 1980's if you wanted to know

[@MrLegendra]

Why is the MTA always begging for money? Millions of people take MTA every day. They get insane federal subsidies and all tolls go to them. They need to be audited to figure out where this money is going.

[@swedishboo1985]

Exactly ! The higher ups are stealing the money .

[@Bachconcertos]

It's going to illegals.

[@Throwawayfake]

agreed. i used to pay just $6 carpool toll less than 6 years ago. i now pay a minimum of $14 AND NOW they want to add congestion pricing in the middle of this effin inflation recession to appease the ultra wealthy in midtown and lower manhattan. F the mta and audit their @$$ . lets get some of them behind bars.

[@monicarodriguez2966]

Exactly

[@Justjean8888]

So they can pay their employees for overtime

[@TheRoblove11]

Those types of plexi glass doors have long been in subway systems in places like Spain, France etc. They set those up a while back for fare evaders.

[@mmedefarge]

They'd last about 10 seconds here.

[@Dana93Korn]

​@@mmedefargelol yeah

[@aceboogisback9946]

Exactly what I said. This is something that other cities across the world upgraded like 15-20 years ago. Even the Marta system in Atlanta did this over a decade ago. Why is NYC’s MTA and other northern metros lagging behind?

[@elistaxz3693]

It’s NYC bro

[@jonbiggs3393]

​@@mmedefargefacts

[@blaiseandthebambina]

Really? BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to add plexiglass? I'd understand maybe 10 million but this is where corruption lives.

[@stevenroshni1228]

It's not just installing plexiglass. It's an entirely different turnstile to install.

[@jbtvt]

Their contractors pay basic laborers $75 per hour - not including insurance charges and everything else, pre markup. Total cost for the most basic work is well over $100 per hour and nearly double that for specialty trades. Then they have additional crazy regs like every worker needs a special heavy $75 vest (which is hot and slows production in warm weather). They have innumerable "CCM" managers who literally do nothing for 7.5 hours in an 8 hour day. I've been on jobs where they had more CCMs than workers, all playing on their phones all day long. Although, if the pay wasn't so high I wouldn't work for them, it's miserable doing construction in NYC.

[@williampennjr.4448]

@@stevenroshni1228 It doesn't have to be an entirely new turn style. The present ones could be converted.

[@Emation7]

@@stevenroshni1228 Contractors usually over charge government agencies.

[@radnukespeoplesminds]

I dont think its worth it then tbh. The MTA should be funded by tax revenue tbh. Businesses and corporations benifit heavily from the subway system and should pay into it.

[@pineapplesareyummy6352]

In Japan, it is often that there is no barrier at the "turnstile" so people can move through quicker. Yet, everybody pays. Maybe another question that should be asked is why is the New York subway so expensive and so filthy. I recently went to Shenzhen and Guangzhou (China). It costs 7 Yuan (equivalent to $1) to ride on the Metro for an hour across the city. Short trips were 2 Yuan (30 cents). China's metro systems are clean, efficient, and all stations have platform doors making it impossible for people to fall in (or get pushed in like in NYC).

[@zaryalace7475]

You are comparing East Asians to other races.

[@h12-p3j]

American trains are expensive because the government barely gives them anything. Add that onto the fact that there are few rail networks and infrastructure favors cars, resulting in fewer people taking trains. Thus the only way for them to keep the railways in service is to increase the prices. I'm sure if the government cared more about our rail networks this wouldn't be an issue.

[@ahyes589]

Yeah because Japanese culture is founded on respect, they don't even have trash cans in public and yet people still carry their food wrappers to the destination. America could never come close.

[@baldsportsfan9368]

Culture

[@Eli-ss9gj]

It costs less than $3 US dollars to ride anywhere in the NYC Subway…

[@Ludovico917]

How about improving the cleanliness of the stations, ensuring the schedules are being met, reducing cancellations and the need for transfer shuttles and just improving the overall infrastructure. And most importantly...firing managment as is because they are incompetent. Maybe if people had a better experience and a public transit system they can be proud of...they would do their share and pay more consistently. Paying a premium to be packed like sardines in a pissy train thats making me late because they cant stay true to the schedule is crazy.

[@Dimantledpenguin99]

Say it louder

[@nobodyspecial4702]

Maybe 700 million dollars a year would solve those issues?

[@TGRHazard1]

@@nobodyspecial4702t won’t the mta get billions added to the budget every year. The toll they just added to the city is supposed to bring in like 7 billion and the MTA had only a 2 billion deficit last year but next year they will continue to have a deficit. They don’t manage the money properly. There have been many people who made over 100k in just overtime not counting base pay but got caught never showing up for work for the whole year

[@monica012077]

​@nobodyspecial4702 They have $18.5 billion to work with every year and still manage to cry broke. That's why the riding public is fed up and they're planning another fare increase.

[@thepotatoofheaven]

if they lose money due to evaders they'll be discouraged to pay a cleaner.

[@ainerviera2000]

People also have to understand that these highly advanced subway systems in other countries have a much better service, safety/security, and there is always assistance available. So it’s not only how modern but also the type of service

[@napalmsf]

Other cities are not NYC. Europe has a completely different culture than the Northeast of the USA, namely NYC. It's not just about the systems and infrastructure but also about the people using those services and the values and morals they have. Nyc is full of miserable people.

[@hawkeye5955]

Exactly. The MTA is playing catch-up, installing technology that has been in use in Europe and Asia for decades and are much safer.

[@o_nazim]

But then they're also cutting payroll on employees present at these stations

[@MrSloika]

The MTA losses $700 million a year due to fare evasion. That's 2/3 of a billion dollars, or the price of 350 new subway cars a year.

[@alfredtavarez4576]

​@MrSloika the MTA doesn't have new subways so where does the money go? The Path train has new subways and thats a NJ service

[@itsjustjonnoh]

So, they’re gonna spend millions on fixing the system but they won’t spend millions to add restrooms, modernize, and clean the stations? Makes sense only when it’s convenient I guess…

[@PalmBeachDog]

I’m old enough to remember when some subway stations had restrooms. They were basically used as apartments by some people.

[@NewAgeTage]

Makes sense when their dollar gets effected

[@stelity]

Sounds about right. After all, they're around to transport you. They don't want you to stay in the stations too long. They want you to get on the train/bus and get you where you want to be. MTA is not a restaurant and is not required to add a restroom.

[@theskeletonboi]

To be fair, it makes complete sense to spend millions of dollars to fix a problem that is costing you millions of dollars over the years. You spend some money now, and it pays itself back overtime. The extra income saved can be used to improve other things, their budget is already tight as it is.

[@bluechox]

the people using the stations need to change first...resulting in restrooms used as safe drug spaces/sexual encounters, throwing trash around, graffitiing, we wont get nice things, or if we did, it wont be nice for long

[@1x1HealthyEnergybyAndrew]

It's a " civic duty" to treat people humanely and have public restrooms in all stations. People are urinating publicly at every station.

[@tru3293]

More restrooms for homeless people to camp in and for drug dealers to deal from. It's NYC, it is a toilet.

[@MetaDoll]

not a good idea to have public restrooms in nyc stations... It should be there but people don't know how to act.

[@joermnyc]

That would mean hiring an army of people to CLEAN all those bathrooms. And good luck if a homeless person takes it over as their new “home”.

[@brianhaflin9799]

And maybe if people wouldn't destroy them than more places would have them open to the public. The town 2 miles from me just opened a new community square that had public bathrooms open last November. They are already destroyed and there is no money to repair them at this time to have them open for the summer.

[@Umm-mg3pb]

Country is a greedy dump and I'm in it, thank God I chose to not have kids, anyone having kids right now is absolutely lost and cruel the future is bleek folks I see it soooo clearly, AI will take so many jobs, and if you think inequality is bad now it will be huge in the future, AI is the only and will always be the only "singularity" that humans have ever created, AI has infinite applications, it will be the biggest vacuum cleaner for the ultra-rich sucking up all the money why because more money = better AI it's an infinite loop the only thing that will balance it is the fact that nobody will be able to afford any of the products and services companies are trying to sell. you cannot beat AI I don't care how smart you think you are. however when all the money is at the top you basically have mass slavery so I'm not sure what will happen first but trust me if you're doing well right now your kids or your kids kids will not be I promise. I'm just a homeless guy that's had a lot of time to think, you have to remember you guys are all working to just make rent so you don't have time to think, the system is working as intended. When you have time to think it's so easy to see, if you don't see it then ask God to show you and he will

[@christopheralex6471]

I live in NYC, and at one time during the summers I was making less than $1,200 A MONTH and STILL I DIDN’T QUALIFY for the discounted metro card (50% off reduction). My rent is $1,200… yeah I made “just over” the qualifying income 🤬 I paid my fare every single time tho bleeding my savings account but for those who do jump the turnstile, I don’t blame them.

[@baddestjoanna-michellesmit5578]

Point n case. Why ppl don't pay.

[@christopheralex6471]

@@baddestjoanna-michellesmit5578 oh 💯

[@trainsandlocomotives]

If you said you have kids, you’d probably qualify easily.

[@fearmetoo-le8dw]

stop being poor

[@PalmBeachDog]

Move out of NYC

[@gregorycorela2719]

The subway better be clean after this

[@shreddersaurusrex323]

It won’t be

[@thelmathompson6900]

And have working restrooms

[@deebee4575]

Stop dropping garbage.

[@MetaDoll]

keep dreaming lol

[@hansolo2997]

You can find junkies in almost every station tho. Instead of prioritizing turnstiles how about the start by fixing the mental health drug addict and homeless problem. Since they want everyone paying their fair on a train system that’s constantly late as well as always dirty and unsafe. Japan doesn’t have this issue and I wonder why? Maybe because they prioritize their citizens.

[@___David___Savian]

NO !!! The real problem in NYC is the MTA and LIRR track workers collecting a paycheck for doing nothing for hours. Just look at the track workers in your station or when you pass by them when they are on the rails. They do nothing for the majority of their shift. Then, the MTA cries to the governor that they are broke and beg for billions of dollars. The gov needs to have gov officials overseeing the MTA and not let the MTA supervise themselves. Our tax dollars should be spent wisely !!

[@Zabanks7898]

Nah, they actually do stuff. Though, you jay just not see them.

[@1x1HealthyEnergybyAndrew]

​@@Zabanks7898 they do nothing but carry gear lol

[@___David___Savian]

@@Zabanks7898 When they do nothing in our presence on front of many people, imagine how little they do when no one is seeing them.

[@monicarodriguez2966]

True

[@Justjean8888]

Why u think they asking for more money. They purposely prolong their work so they can get overtime. They're literally make 6 figures from overtime.

[@zwebsterz]

Just so that we know, there isn’t any gate or turnstile in the Berlin Germany subway system. There are kiosks on the platform. Passengers buy fare on the platform before boarding. It’s all based on an honor system. Honor and respect are what we desperately need and extremely lack of in this country.

[@Gabriel-pt6tq]

Yep, this is why im working on leaving this country.

[@Abdullahkill3333r]

Yep, I don't live in america but it has to be two ways, why would you overpay for a service that stops a few miles from where you live, no restrooms, no reliable service and very infrequent service. I'm sure if they provided a better service people would be more inclined to pay.

[@zwebsterz]

@@Abdullahkill3333r unfortunately, there are more than enough people who aren’t going to pay regardless and they know they can get away with it, that’s why we have gates and turnstiles to prevent crime being committed. But these shameless people just laugh at them and jump right over anyway.

[@greyEAX]

@@Abdullahkill3333r Yeah but how do you increase the quality of the service if people are avoiding paying the money that would allow them to do it?

[@alex_roivas333]

not merely that, there is not the crushing poverty in berlin that there is in new york, where they literally have to squeeze every dollar

[@ilyanaoumov5425]

NY should start moving away from a business model where the fare box is a significant portion of the mass transit system's revenue stream. Mass transit should be seen as a public good that is meant to enable people to get around the city quickly and efficiently while reducing pollution. If you bring fares down to a very low level, most people won't even bother evading the payment. It will also make mass transit a much more attractive form of transportation in comparison to cars. I think NYC could really learn a thing or two from Mexico City's mass transit system.

[@stelity]

Great, now where does that money come from? Also, reducing the fares does not necessarily mean people won't bother evading the payment. They may feel like "the cost it so low anyway, you don't even need it. This should be free."

[@eddieomahony507]

Right yeah that's smart

[@CaptainMalick998]

Nobody in New York drives because it’s cheaper than MTA. Driving there is far more expensive. Lowering fares wouldn’t really discourage people from driving as those people use cars for convenience in spite of price. However I agree that public transport should be treated as a public good. Money has to come from somewhere though.

[@lonelyphoenix7]

@@stelity Slippery slope logical fallacy

[@Tyheir]

It’s only 2.50 to ride a bus and get a free transfer. You lower it anymore and people will feel the price is so negligible that you might as well not pay it.

[@sparky3869]

I see to many cops hurdle together at one station and no cops at other stations, WHY?????? One station as many as 11 cops standing around in one spot. How does that work?

[@friedrice7727]

Huddle. Hurdle is the thing you jump over in a race. Or a hard task is a hurdle to get over

[@larrybills5840]

Their strength are only in numbers. Take that away and they’re just weak people with guns

[@jahjoeka]

Not to mention ALL on their phones!

[@gqn2]

Strength in numbers

[@samrah25]

Praise the lord for showing the diversity of fair evaders. I've been seeing people who definitely can afford the fair leaping over the turnstile recently.

[@fenderbender11226]

Amen Gang

[@keypeng4164]

toll evasion loses the city much more money. most toll evaders are cops who are offduty who use tints over their license plates.

[@deejay5102]

Facts

[@friedrice7727]

That's bc there's zero consequences

[@trentbateman]

Lol it’s by and far dominated by B&B

[@AlvaroLR]

We have similar styles of turnstiles in Spain and trust me, people still get in without paying

[@baatar]

Exactly: technology cannot fix a broken culture

[@gmrobert6262]

I wouldn’t have expected fare evasion to be a thing in Spain.

[@mxsthxted]

​@@gmrobert6262money is in short supply these days.

[@himap3842]

Well, the solution in Germany is just not using barriers at all. Use a lot of unmarked conductors and randomly check the tickets. The offender risks paying 60 Euro for each offense, which is around 15x single tickets fare. In 2015, the public transport operator in Hanover, Germany generated ca. 1.5 million Euro of "extra income" from it. That was with a 40-Euro-Penalty and the city population of around 500k people.

[@alexrosario7661]

Shut up

[@MrLuffy9131]

in America there will be lawsuits for everything lol

[@brentsummers7377]

Yes! If people expect to have their card checked they won't risk it. In Queensland Australia they check the light rail ticket cards very regularly maybe 50% of all journeys.

[@restezlameme]

That's an excellent idea. European public transport is light-years ahead of our petty American version.

[@kevins6114]

Porto, Portugal has random checks of tickets too, instead of unsightly fare exit gates.

[@Setouchi_Jack_Chow]

It's not about emergency gates, it's about ethics.

[@VianoMusicAcademy]

It’s more effective to install emergency gates than install ethics.

[@f430ferrari5]

Yeah. Trash liberal Democrats can’t figure out the ethics. No honor. No accountability.

[@rsybing]

If it's just about ethics, might as well just get rid of any security, which is not reasonable.

[@johnnymittle]

The ethics of capitalism yeah.

[@f430ferrari5]

@@johnnymittle nah that would be socialism. Accepted criminality because perception is person is poor and thus given permission to steal and get free rides.

[@larrybills5840]

There is no middle class NewYorkers it’s either your poor or dirt poor

[@friedrice7727]

So true

[@judevientos4039]

Exactly. We're barely scraping by. Make the MTA free, that's the only ethical option as far as I see it.

[@Bachconcertos]

Middle class new yorkers do not take the subway.

[@Throwawayfake]

@@Bachconcertos Correction: Upper Middle Class

[@devondevon4366]

There are. It has 340,000 high-net-worth individuals and is hence the richest city. However, according to another report half of New Yorkers do not earn enough to meet their basic needs.

[@wadepearson8336]

Serious questions, how do you know if someone is a repeat offender if you never stop anyone and how are you not serious about a billion dollar problem?

[@pandacub6164]

cameras

[@SummerBreeze-sp6dn]

Every time I see people jump the turnstyle it cracks me up. Some of them are so creative. I saw a guy crawl on his belly through the turnstyle. Cracked me up ALL DAY.🤣

[@deebee4575]

“Fare evasion arrests skyrocket more than 90% of those arrested are Black, Brown riders (Link removed by KZbin) Feb 22, 2023 - Fines for fare evasion run up to $100, even though a subway ride costs just $2.75.” Hmm, perhaps there's a correlation between race and turnstile jumping? Also- The NYC MTA lost $690 million last year to deadbeats on the subways, trains and busses. Over 400,000 deadbeats PER DAY.

[@draculadd]

@@deebee4575 I always see white people doing it, and I’m white, so I’m not sure how accurate your statement is. I see them all the time going under or through the door or even jumping over at times. The MTA is losing money because they won’t improve the transit system properly and clean it up. It’s disgusting down there.

[@Moodboard39]

@@deebee4575 Yea mostly black, ugh

[@rockvilleraven]

Limbo classes must be popular in New York for that reason.

[@zwebsterz]

Nothing funny about witnessing the lack of honor and respect in humanity. Putting these people in zoos is giving animals a bad name.

[@jeffallen1275]

Those plastic shields on the fare booths, will be smashed in a week at the outside.

[@MemoirsofaBasketcase]

Paris has those doors and they survive fine there even with the riots. Just be quiet.

[@MemoirsofaBasketcase]

@@jeffallen1275 You are making things up based on complete lack of experience. Worthless noise.

[@trentbateman]

@@MemoirsofaBasketcase NY isn’t Paris and it will not be done at the same level of quality here. See you in 8 years when they finally put this in place at a cost of 2 billion with 200m in kickbacks

[@jeffallen1275]

@@MemoirsofaBasketcase have you ever lived in New York. I lived in metro New York in the 70s. They tore it apart. You'd be amazed how much damage new York hoodlums can do. If they could destroy much of the city in the 70s, imagine what they'll do to these doors.

[@MemoirsofaBasketcase]

@@jeffallen1275 I live in NYC right now and have visited multiple cities with these gates so my opinion is worth far more than your old timer 70s views Boomer.

[@jasonlucas2328]

I've been living in San Francisco for years. A particular group never pays the subway and jumps over the gates.

[@peekaboo3968]

Illegals?

[@cooliipie]

As an American who left years ago for Asia, I couldn't imagine this happening here

[@VonsarYT]

What do they do in asia better? Edit: as far as the subway system not in general!

[@fmattiasc]

​@@VonsarYT everything?

[@hkraytai]

Where? Asia is a big place.

[@gumerzambrano]

@@VonsarYTbro you really asked that

[@koriko88]

@@VonsarYT In some (not all) Asian countries such as Japan and Thailand, people are raised to be more responsible from birth, at the expense of less social and political freedoms, and less legal due process. In others, like China, there's a lot of institutional theft and corruption, but the penalties for individual lawbreakers is so great that many people do not risk it.

[@wasteddude]

There's never enough money for the MTA. All that money and they waste it on aesthetics with minimal or no improvement to the actual service. Other countries can do both but the MTA can't.

[@moneyrules1337]

If your rent is $3500 a month for a 1 bedroom, Electric, Internet, Phone, Gas, laundry, water & Food are $1500+ each month, I assume the last thing people in NYC care about is paying for the train.

[@alistairlogie1815]

In Toronto, we installed plexiglass fare gates, actually, the ones that were shown in the video. However, the Toronto Transit Commission still loses millions of dollars a year from fare evasion.

[@franki3Ru550]

But this one looks futuristic compare to Toronto lol

[@dennishou5944]

Made me laugh when I saw them feature these gates in the video. If you push hard enough you can quite easily squeeze through the Presto gates. I did customer service for TTC a while back ago and one of our jobs was to count the number of people who squeezed through the gates without paying 😂

[@davidthaler7018]

Plexiglass doors are used in Boston and Paris, with a similar approach used in San Francisco. They would certainly make it easier to travel with luggage.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

we don't even habe turnstiles in Germany. Yu get on the bus, subway, tram or train and ticket officers patrol them, checking on every passenger. Sometimes you might not be checked for months, sometimes several times a day

[@cowcake13]

I live in Atlanta Ga and people will literally force them selves through to avoid pay. Even be walking behind you at times.

[@whoisjodn_gaming]

The city is too expensive. Unemployment at a record high. The amount of people on public assistance has doubled. This is the least of the cities problems. The fare went up yet they have lowered their workforce with automation. So where is the money going. New modeld trains? Which isnt even a necessity

[@larrybills5840]

Not to mention the trains always being filthy

[@Justjean8888]

Paying their employees overtime

[@melaninproud2383]

Flat screen tvs outside the train stations people getting pushed into the tracks. Rats the size of cats running around. Give me a break

[@PaigeWylderOwO]

1:38-1:52: Wait, isn't having a fake license plate a more serious crime than turnstile evasion in the state of New York? A fake license plate can land someone in prison for up to a year in prison + 3 years probation if convicted as a misdemeanor under NY Penal Law Section 170.20, and up to 7 years if convicted as a felony under NY Penal Law Section 170.25; whereas turnstile evasion is only a $100 dollar fine. Fixing the turnstiles is still extremely important for improving the subway and the MTA budget, but turnstile evasion can't be treated the same as a fake license. Edit: Punctuation.

[@MemoirsofaBasketcase]

These are standard in other global Alpha cities. Just 20 years late as per usual with the MTA.

[@erickn7985]

Facts when I want to Spain and India, they had those years ago😂😂

[@bloodlove93]

alpha cities? you get that from somewhere or you make that up? it sounds ridiculous either way to be honest.

[@MemoirsofaBasketcase]

@@bloodlove93 Why don’t you try looking it up before making stupid comments.

[@zd9775]

@@erickn7985 China started using OMNY 25 years ago

[@ImpossiblyBlack]

Blame NYC's rampant corruption and bloated bureaucracy. The projected multi-billion dollar(!) price tag alone should throw up red flags.

[@TommyTombs]

How long until they’re broken? 😂

[@starventure]

Some herd of wild quarter ton Taneeshas will crash through the plexiglass and then sue the city for the bruises they suffered. Or there will be a “too fat to fit” incident and the woke mob will protest.

[@TommyTombs]

@@starventureToo fat to fit 😂😂😂

[@trentbateman]

@@starventure that’s def gonna happen. They’ll coordinate it and tik tok it while wearing Pooh sheisty masks

[@cliffpadilla5871]

@@starventure 😂🤣😂🤣

[@KyrilPG]

The first model is implemented in Paris and it works. Including in the wildest and busiest stations. And believe me, I've seen the incredible amount of torture and abuse Parisians put these faregates through, and yet, they're virtually unscathed. The gates are like bulletproof plexiglass and stainless steel. If it works in Paris...

[@JohnnyT002]

When I ride the bus I see people using the back doors to get on the bus and DON'T PAY . The tap screens on the back door are not activated.

[@larrybills5840]

So what tax payers pay the MTA yearly subsidies anyways. Don’t be a sheep

[@tarikviaer-mcclymont5762]

They are only activated on the select buses on the rear doors

[@evilvshappytrainer3824]

People been doing that as a habit, even when the bus isn’t too crowded.

[@sean2015]

@@larrybills5840 most of the people who are fare evaders don't pay taxes

[@larrybills5840]

@@sean2015 if you have a job then you most definitely pay taxes. What an asinine comment you made. Let’s keep it going, what else are you ignorant about?

[@Vxvx22]

These plastic gates are absolutely useless. They have this all across Europe. First of all, they can be push open very easily with a small amount of force. Second, these gates often open for about 7 to 10 seconds when a paying passenger walk through, allowing all the fare evader to follow right behind the person in front, bypassing the gate.

[@redtidetogo]

So you have to wait for the gate to close before going through it? Should make rush hour fun

[@grantcanty7294]

@@redtidetogo at least in paris, if the "gate" is open and someone else swipes their card, it stays open. no need to wait for it to close before scanning a card

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

across Europe? None in any places I've been at for sure

[@williampennjr.4448]

How about doing something about overcharging for double swipes and transfers, and then making the customer fill out a complicated form and wait weeks to get their refund? The teller machines should be able to fix overcharges right in the station. This is the 21st century, not the 1970"s. I should also be able to get a readout of my charges and credits too. I'm too busy to have to keep track of my balance in my head, every time i enter the subway and transfer to a bus.

[@aceboogisback9946]

This is something that other cities across the world upgraded like 15 years ago. Even the Marta system in Atlanta did this over a decade ago. Why is NYC’s MTA and other northern metros lagging behind?

[@l-y-d-s]

hoplessly corrupt

[@ImpossiblyBlack]

Corruption, apathy from public officials and a overly bloated bureaucracy.

[@MetaDoll]

I am sure it is cause of money.. The want to make the most money while doing the bare minimum.

[@aarondublin9025]

Because we need john gotti back in the streets of nyc

[@patricknedz]

Unfortunately Marta has this problem too, they are too easy to push open

[@isaidwhatIsaid86]

Well maybe if fares didn’t go up almost every year, or paying $1 for a new metro card each time you buy one, or raising the price to monthly metro cards to $122 which is ABSURD - Maybe, just maybe New Yorkers who have to deal with high cost of RENT, travel, food, and other bills, wont have to skip fares.

[@jahjoeka]

​@Timothy B too bad animals don't get paid. Unless u know one.

[@baddestjoanna-michellesmit5578]

Exactly

[@stelity]

People say that for everything. Why don't you try skipping your rent payment, bills, or food like hopping the turnstyle on the train? If you really look at the costs, $2.75 is actually a steal to commute. Rent is expensive for you and it's also expensive for everyone else... including the MTA. Think about how long the railroads are and how many stations there are... All that real estate.

[@luciabirkby9260]

I think those rolling doors they already have at some stations would work just fine.

[@ImpossiblyBlack]

They need an overly elaborate scheme to justify that outrageous price tag.

[@rickn501s]

What will it cost to replace the turnstiles with more secure "gates" and hiring people to guard exits? If the money spent on changing out traditional turnstiles and hiring security guards was put towards lowering the cost of the fares instead, perhaps there wouldn't be so many evaders. Just a thought.

[@eddyvargas7705]

The crazy thing is yesterday I was stuck on the train for about 2 hours. Which was supposed to be a 37 min ride. Then on top of it you guys are going so hard on people not paying. Why should we pay you guys when we are always going to end up late to work anyway. It’s crazy how much they’ll spend on stopping us from jumping the train. But noting to make the trains more comfortable. With out a long wait

[@thehouse2015]

The trains will still be extremely late and get stuck in the tunnels, but yay- glowing turnstiles!

[@jimmyjj9410]

People the problem when trains are stuck just remember that people who rush trying to get on the train are causing your trains to be delayed remember that and late nights? It's late nights night alot of trains are out because half of NY is asleep

[@Maxtrash69]

Stop the bleed? Govt been bailing them out for years. Govt needs to change this so we can just ride where we need to go. This is beyond ridiculous 🙄

[@jessica_1877]

They will crawl

[@extacyl6926]

I know I will

[@DanFernandezDrums]

Why do I have to pay for the subway if it’s covered in ads

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

aren't most buses, trams, subways etc with advertisement surfaces either inside or both inside and outside?

[@milescoleman910]

What this is: the guards refuse to enforce fare evasion because if you stop someone they will argue with you as much as possible taking as much time as possible and accuse you of all kinds of things. a good portion of NYC upon seeing the cops or gate guards very busy with an individual will slip through the gates. So each person you stop and argue with will mean another 50 slip through.

[@samla3475]

The plexiglass barriers literally don't do anything to stop people. In Toronto anyone who wants to fair evade just walks through the wheelchair gate, it's wide enough for the plexiglass to bend a bit and make a gap big enough to get through, and I'd you push hard enough they just open so they don't break.

[@picbrasil]

The high cost of fare evasion in NYC is indeed concerning. One solution worth considering is adopting the global trend of free public transport for all. This approach has proven successful in various cities, offering benefits such as reducing financial burdens for commuters, promoting increased public transport usage, easing traffic congestion, and addressing environmental concerns. While implementing such a system would require careful evaluation and planning, exploring the potential advantages of free public transport could lead to a more equitable and accessible transportation system for all residents of NYC.

[@zwebsterz]

More taxes? Typical socialism solution.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

"promoting increased public transport usage" is sth you don't need in NYC

[@picbrasil]

@@zwebsterz I appreciate your response, but I want to clarify that I didn't mention anything about taxes in my previous comment. It's important to note that the mere existence of a public transport system does not automatically make it socialist. Public transportation is a common feature in many countries, regardless of their political or economic ideologies. It serves as a crucial infrastructure that benefits society as a whole by providing accessible and affordable transportation options. It's essential to separate the provision of public services, like public transport, from political labels. The focus should be on the practical benefits and considerations for the well-being of the community.

[@picbrasil]

@@EnjoyFirefighting I understand your point, but promoting increased public transport usage in NYC can have valuable benefits. It goes beyond just transportation efficiency. It also contributes to social inclusiveness by providing accessible options for those who may not have private vehicles or face mobility challenges. Additionally, it helps reduce traffic congestion and environmental impact. While NYC already has a strong transportation system, continued efforts to improve and expand public transport options can enhance social equity and create a more sustainable city for everyone.

[@EnjoyFirefighting]

@@picbrasil what would be the argument to promote it? "Come, ride with us in a subway which is overcrowded already" or "ride with us in a bus which is stuck in traffic"? "by providing accessible options " pls don't forget that by far most stations on the NYC subway aren't accessible for e.g. wheelchairs. No joke: I don't have any health issues but I still chose the taxi to get from Uptown Manhattan to JFK for the simple reason that I don't want to carry my heavy suitcase up and down the stairs at each an every station.

[@kevinhoward9593]

1:39 what lost revenue? the state pays the budget difference everywhere.

[@andieb3632]

I wish I can evade my gas when filling up 😂

[@yourtrunkrattles4398]

You can just give cashier crack

[@javairflorez7889]

@@yourtrunkrattles4398lmao that cost more money n that’s what he’s tryna save on money complaining

[@yourtrunkrattles4398]

@@javairflorez7889 given 20 worth but ask for 40 in gas for my bmw with premium

[@JayZs-Nostrils]

You can get 60% off gas but it's dark web stuff.... Real lowkey

[@andieb3632]

@@JayZs-Nostrils I get gas free bc my company gives me a car, bt thanks.

[@tyson2102]

Fix the problem of the homeless using the trains as a rolling hotel, when citizens go to work only to find them sleeping the length of the seat.. install individual seats like on the buses

[@larrybills5840]

Facts who wants to pay the fare to ride bed bug infested trains filled with homelessness. The audacity. Make the trains worthy of having extra revenue because let’s not forget tax payers already pay the MTA subsidies

[@unomars9694]

That's a city problem, not MTA, moron.

[@ThatPurpleFlounder]

Okay… but consider this, houseless people don’t have many options. The homeless shelters are full every night and people get stopped at the door at a cut-off point. It’s first come, first serve. And then in the morning they kick all of them out for the day until they have to repeat the same thing that happened the night before. No new major homeless shelter projects are being planned to take off the load from the others across the city, and they’re definitely not catching up to the rate of people becoming unhoused in this economy. The cost of living keeps going up and many people’s pay isn’t really able to catch up to that, leading to more people facing homelessness. Now where would they go if not for the subways? Before chastising homeless people for living where they do, please reconsider where we’re supposed to put all the people we neglected to care about over all these years

[@larrybills5840]

@@ThatPurpleFlounder homeless shelters are not full every night. On top of that immigrants who come here illegally get to stay at 5* hotels. Why isn’t the same treatment being done for our veterans or our impoverished families? Stop simping

[@ThatPurpleFlounder]

​@@larrybills5840 Your first statement there is factually incorrect. It only takes one google search of "are homeless shelters in NYC full every night" to find several articles detailing the state of homelessness in this city. A report from Coalition for the Homeless from 2021 details that 58,000 people sleep in homeless shelters and that "nearly every night of the year, all of the Safe Haven facilities in the city are filled to capacity." The news outlet called The City has a good piece on this which you should consider reading. I've also had experience with homeless people due to volunteering for non-profits that aimed at helping them and what they told me about the shelter system in this city is consistent with what was written in that aforementioned report. I can only imagine now that it's gotten worse since that piece was published since the pandemic. So your first statement is just baseless. Secondly, you realize we're in the middle of a humanitarian crisis with people fleeing from war-torn or impoverished countries and we can't just let them die? The city is trying to convert enough buildings into migrant shelters so the migrants don't overrun the city or live on the streets causing more of a homelessness crisis. Also they're staying and quarantining in those buildings while they wait to present their cases for asylum so they aren't spreading any infectious diseases to the wider city. These building conversions are also a welcome project for hotels that lost their revenue from the pandemic, so it's a win win for them and the city. And before you go hemming and hawing about why we don't do the same for veterans and impoverished families, social workers working with the homeless already are trying their best to get them sheltered but too many people are falling through the cracks because of rent increases and an increased rate of evictions. Our city's systems aren't built for this and whenever anyone tries to propose a solution addressing the problem, questions about how we're gonna pay for it keep popping up and then we get stuck on that until the next person tries to address the crisis. Well now everyone here is paying for it by living in a city with an ever increasing rent and, with it, a bigger homeless population due to no to little regulation on what landlords, property owners, and for-profit housing corporations do to their renters. I can't blame homeless people for being resourceful enough to live in the subways in this hellscape of a disjointed housing system. Lastly, I don't know who you're accusing me of simping for, but if you mean caring about people, I think you'd benefit from learning how to do the same cuz I'd assume you don't want to live in a worsening and miserable world in the near future. Also please stop huffing copium and touch some grass. Maybe talk to some homeless people and have genuine conversations with them. You might learn something you never knew before.

[@ChannelZero1031]

Going over and under the turnstile in NY is part of its culture. They are gentrifying things way too much. It's eventually going to look like a movie set.

[@Official_Sketto]

Do not pay for public transportation. You already pay through taxes. Officials are rich off your money. This is non-negotiable.

[@redsox1935]

I don’t understand what’s so hard about getting a weekly pass at a discounted rate? $16 a week and I have no problem going anywhere at anytime basically for free.

[@dvijay461]

Wait what? Then why is the monthly costing over $100?? Im better off getting 4 weeklys at $16.

[@jahjoeka]

It all comes down to income and convenience. How much percentage of income the mta takes just for me going to work and how annoying it is when the train is delayed or some nutcase come out of nowhere. Nobody wants to pay for that.

[@mynewyork165]

You need to employ these gate agents 24/7 at 149th st & 3rd Avenue in The Bronx. That's been a hot spot for years.

[@edwardduda4222]

From what I've been told from people in NYC, the metro system there has always been bleeding and has had lines that haven't been fixed in decades.

[@Italy.com33]

Vote for republicans Democrats are disgusting

[@angkarbasil]

People would stop fare evading if the MTA would keep service reliable instead of waiting till the very last minute to fix things till it gets so bad there is a diversion or shuttle bus every day

[@TheWutangclan1995]

Fare evaders aren't a problem, corruption is a problem.

[@CatBot007]

for a 2.50 ride in nyc its like .43 in Asian countries for the same distance. Maybe that's why people fare evade

[@TheWutangclan1995]

@@CatBot007 I can guarantee you people in Asian countries will also fare evade. Yeah sure 43 cents sounds significantly cheaper on paper to me and you. However their currency is not the same as the US Dollar and that 43 cents will feel like a buck or two.

[@CatBot007]

@@TheWutangclan1995 that's with conversion. And unlike US and Europe the Hong Kong metro actually makes a profit with those low prices. I've been on the matro in Shanghai, Beijing, Shenyang, and Hong Kong and I never saw fare evaders. When I visited NY every time I entered a station there where fare evaders.

[@jnuval]

Corruption has to start somewhere.

[@TheWutangclan1995]

@@CatBot007 interesting. I get that but it’s kind of unfair to pit theirs against ours. After all many of the train stations will offer bathrooms. Meanwhile it reeks on the 1 train because there isn’t any. To me it just seems like corruption vs putting fare evaders to shame. Plus even if everyone did pay their fare (no pun intended) share. The subways just don’t feel safe for riders.

[@jeffallen1275]

This is nothing new. I remember back in the 70s, this was a real problem.

[@moretoknowshow1887]

I've said for years every major US transit system needs air gates like this, not just the MTA. Here in Dallas, we've had similar issues with fare evasion and its gotten to the point the local transit authority is working on gate/station redesign to include these..

[@Landis_Grant]

It’s solely an American thing to evade paying fares.

[@kellynorvell5714]

For NYC it's a waste of money because the thugs will find a way to shatter/damage the new turn-styles; the MTA will spend more money making repairs (seriously)

[@soundshaper]

I thought maybe they could electrify the turnstiles until you scan in and the fare is paid. Same with the exit gates, flash your card and it deactivates. Only problem, it could slow up rush hour with all those charred bodies laying around.

[@nrey4255]

😂😂😂

[@newyork8415]

Best idea so far

[@GABRIELADAWSON]

@@newyork8415Dumbass Idea so far.

[@retnavybrat]

2:37 -- To play devil's advocate, maybe persistent fare evaders wouldn't be that way if they were prosecuted on their first offense.

[@J21822]

Of course they recommend “no criminal prosecution for fare evaders”. We are the only country that doesn’t want consequences for criminal/illegal activity….

[@RudieObias]

Most trains and subways in Europe work on the honor system 🙄

[@bloodlove93]

check incarceration rates and what crimes people are in for.... then complain. im not saying it's right, im just saying that our system is already so overly laden with nonsense that if we make it easier to put people behind bars,as a country we're going to have a serious problem.

[@deebee4575]

“Fare evasion arrests skyrocket more than 90% of those arrested are Black, Brown riders (Link removed by KZbin) Feb 22, 2023 - Fines for fare evasion run up to $100, even though a subway ride costs just $2.75.” Hmm, perhaps there's a correlation between race and turnstile jumping? Also- The NYC MTA lost $690 million last year to deadbeats on the subways, trains and busses. Over 400,000 deadbeats PER DAY.

[@jahjoeka]

So it's criminal to be poor of course. People like you are sick and heartless.

[@anirah9940]

New turntiles, 3 days later, “out of order” 😂

[@melaninproud2383]

😂😂😂 welcome to new yark

[@melaninproud2383]

😂😂😂 welcome to new yark

[@majortuff]

I'm so happy that the vagabond who pushes me into an oncoming train will have paid his fare.

[@deejay5102]

Lol

[@Bart-dg6qv]

Don't they get some kind of free metro card?

[@lilyouyou]

😂😂

[@billrubin4560]

The point is that he won't be on the train platform. They've previously reported that getting rid of fare evaders can dramatically reduce subway crime.

[@jrizzle555]

@@billrubin4560 Or they could just you know. Invest in the plexiglass on the platform that every other big city has?

[@mexiwashere8920]

If we pay taxes for all this stuff. Why do we have to pay a fare to use it.

[@AlCatSplat]

Because taxes are not enough to cover the cost of running the system.

[@thy-wounded]

They should just make it free to ride public transit...

[@starventure]

That is actually not a terrible idea. It is already funded via tax dollars, so fares are really nothing but extra frosting. The bigger problem is reining in the spending budgets to compensate. Good luck convincing AOC to go along with it.

[@larrybills5840]

They should since taxpayers already pay MTA subsidies

[@sean2015]

It already is free. The fare evaders just walk right on.

[@Sardonic-Angel]

Karl Marx likes the way you think

[@sneksteppy]

Why not pay the riders to ride public transportation. $1,000,0000,000,000,000,000 for each time a person rides public transportation.

[@THIZZMONSTER]

Just hope everyone knows that those glass doors are also able to be beat, almost like this expensive as “solution” isn’t one. If you push on them hard enough, they have a mechanism that opens so the doors don’t break, seen people do it in multiple cities.

[@stelity]

When the doors open forcefully, does it activate a camera that takes a photo of whatever is forcing it open?

[@LilRedRasta]

@@stelity wear a mask.....move on with your day

[@LukaYaskiw]

The first one looks nice, the second one is used here in Ontario and believe me they don't do a thing to stop fare evasion. Use the first one.

[@KyrilPG]

The one with green lit panels looks almost exactly as the ones used in Paris. The second one that is much lower looks very similar to the ones in London.

[@noface5208]

People will break those

[@poker2663]

I hope the city is ready to fix the plexiglass doors when they just kick them in.

[@ErikProMax]

Beginning of the report "fare evasion costs the MTA hundreds of millions of dollars", end of the report "new turnstiles will cost billions of dollars!" Spending billions to 'save' hundreds of millions. Seems like it's more about sticking it to fare evaders than it is about the financials because it could take a very long time before the costs balance out.

[@stelity]

I don't think you're looking at the whole picture. fare evasion costs the MTA hundreds of millions A YEAR. How many years will it take for the new turnstyles to pay for itself?

[@ErikProMax]

@@stelity That's what I am saying. Depends how many billions are going to be spent, really.

[@argustaveras6391]

It hurts me every time I pay for the MTA

[@l-y-d-s]

to be clear the reason this is being addressed now is because mayors like Guiliani & Bloomberg neglected the subways, everything happening is just playing catch up to far superior systems around the world.

[@f430ferrari5]

What a joke. This bad behavior exploded under DeBlasio. It’s always in the trash Democrat areas where these problems exist.

[@austinjones3217]

Seeing the PRESTO gates which are in use here in Toronto - people simply “bum rush” other passengers, or swing umbrellas through the gap to the interior sensor to open it.

[@tharealyani116]

Smh, the problem that needs fixing is that everything is too expensive. MTA would rather spend millions than make public transportation more affordable, and that goes to tolls as well. There are no toll booths with people working there and tolls rates still high. Get the drift. Minimum wage needs to go up in NYC. Then again if Minimum wage goes up, everything else will go up as well. Go figure.

[@deejay5102]

Agreed

[@sneksteppy]

You know minimum wage makes everything less affordable, yet you still advocate for it. Never let logic get in the way of your desire to have the government sustain your existence.

[@larrybills5840]

@@sneksteppy NYC residents are mostly depended on government handouts anyways. That’s how most of them can afford to live in rent stabilized buildings or NYCHA properties They are heavily dependent on these handouts or they will perish.

[@jamesl9371]

USA 🇺🇸!! I’m in Taiwan and people don’t evade paying. Even though it would be easy to jump over barriers. There’s security that stops people. But I think more important the culture is more honest. More Americans are dishonest when they know that they can get away with it

[@thl205]

In the interests of saving taxpayer's money, the MTA -- like other public agencies -- neglects to invest in infrastructure, only to end up losing more money. This is why we tax and invest properly in the first place, or it becomes much more expensive in the longterm.

[@microbios8586]

I attempted fare evasion once when I was young and stupid. A cop scared me straight and I never tried it again. Of course, this wasn't in NYC though. It seems they are way too lenient up there.

[@jaminaking5576]

What about cameras for the train

[@tigertex7257]

1:09 I just don't see how this new turnstile design is going to help because it seems to me that there are still plenty of space for some people to climb above or crawl below the thick plastic barrier. The only people this turnstile is stopping are the fat ones. Also lets not forget the timing for the door to close because some people would just dash quickly when the moment was right

[@DanFreeman723]

Maybe something to help the bleeding of the riders too. At some point.

[@stelity]

Financially? The MTA isn't around to do that. You're probably looking for something like SNAP, section 8, food pantry, and soup kitchens.

[@ArtisticCeleste]

Maybe at some point they can stick more money into making the subway actually pleasant to use? Every station is filthy, I've gotten on trains where someone in the back is passed out surrounded by 4 huge bags of garbage, there's no public restrooms (and the few that have them have signs that state they're closed), it's really easy for you to either trip or be shoved off the platform, no security so they feel unsafe, and overall the experience is just not very good. The system hasn't been updated in decades, they got to at some point modernize them to catch up with everywhere else in the world. If it felt like the MTA cared more about the system maybe more people would be willing to pay for it-since as is it feels like ticket money does nothing.

[@80bugg23]

Make it free. Problem solved.

[@lolblehXD]

enjoy your tax increase, wouldn't be fair to those who work from home or dont use public transportation

[@larrybills5840]

@@lolblehXDwe already pay taxes on it 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@larrybills5840]

@@lolblehXDthose who work from home shouldn’t be working for the city

[@starventure]

@@lolblehXDIt is already funded through taxes, so fares are really just double dipping the public. A free transit system would invite increased ridership, even a lowered fare system would do this. How about reining in reckless spending by the MTA and other agencies to compensate…like not paying $250k a year for no show jobs to goombas who get away with it just because of their last names?

[@larrybills5840]

@@starventure exactly. What happened to the 2nd avenue train line they proposed and gotten funding for?

[@MattMorris481]

I’m not from a big city but, is it really that expensive just to pay.?

[@flyerthantheg6]

Metaphorically speaking we need something like this for our politicians and government too 😂

[@roachtoasties]

They do it in L.A. (subway, light rail, busway, etc.), even though fares are cheaper than dirt. Maybe some sort of Star Wars type of "instant vaporization" of fare evaders will do the trick.

[@MrLarrythehacker]

Those next Second Avenue Subway Phase 2 stations better have stuff like this.

[@briank.6482]

If you are alone and have a baby in a baby carriage, try to enter the subway - its impossible unless you go thru the emergency doors and someone lets you pass

[@1johncabs]

How about cops in the subways that arrest people like we had in the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's, etc.?

[@jahjoeka]

Cops don't patrol the subway just stand in one spot on their phones.

[@Apollo-iq1vx]

In California if you're poor, you can sign up online to get a free TAP card that has a bunch of free ride fare preloaded onto it. Takes like 2-3 weeks to get one though because they have to "verify" that you actually qualify (which they take a weirdly long time to do).

[@surjo8095]

fare evading is a justified method of civil disobedience to protest for free public transport imo 🤷

[@jahjoeka]

It worked with weed!

[@djtriggamth]

How is anyone going to get to work now?

[@osagiee.guobadia-secondytc4624]

This story may be related to people who jump on turnstiles when they are taking the TTC (Toronto Transit Commission) trains to somewhere. That can definitely stop people from not jumping on turnstiles, but for paying their fares though. : )

[@dvijay461]

Mass transit should be free anyhow. The MTA was caught with two separate books in the past. They’re a corrupt organization.

[@dijikstra8]

Meh, any turnstile can be defeated. People develop new ways. Like here in Stockholm with these kinds of high plexiglass gates, one common approach is to dangle your jacket in front of the sensors on the other side, so that the gate thinks someone is trying to get out. The way they tried to defeat that is to make some gates entry only and other exit only. Now people just wait for a paying rider and piggyback right after them. The best approach imo is to remove the gates and move to an honor system. It works well in most of central and eastern Europe. Another approach would be to make transit free and entirely tax funded, something a city like New York with both high level of transit dependency and massive levels of inequality should definitely look in to, this basically makes the "fare" directly proportional to your income through taxes, and these massive investments into gates and ticket inspectors can be poured into making the system better for people rather than treat them as criminals every time they want to go somewhere. The most egregious turnstile I have ever seen is the New York high gate type with fences all around. This to me seems like a dangerous design that would be extremely restrictive in an emergency.

[@baddestjoanna-michellesmit5578]

Thanksnyc here will find a way. They sell cards half off. They sell keys to the station doors. They will figure a way to break plexi n free rides until they fix. Will be waste of money. The old dirty system should be free. Should be a perk of living here. Won't get u no where on time anymore but cost almost 5 bucks