MTG Champion Tries to Guess How Good YuGiOh! Cards Are w/

[@tyranustrey]

Thoralf "Yes but in yugioh your deck is also your third hand" me "Maybe he really is a yugi judge"

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea and he’s just masking his Yugioh knowledge for the sake of the video 🤔

[@ThatWildcard]

​@@TheOneJameYThave we ever seen Thoralf and the Mischen Impossible boys in the same room together?

[@PrinceMeNb1]

I'd just say fourth hand.. the extra deck would be the third hand probably

[@tyranustrey]

@@PrinceMeNb1 don't even know how I passed over the extra deck like that

[@Folfire]

Thoralf: I once judged a YGO tournament. Carl: I know memes.

[@TheOneJameYT]

That’s the exact synopsis of this video

[@irresponsiblecaptain851]

Thoralf not only determined the power level of droll, but then reverse-engineered the state of the yugioh meta from the idea that a card like droll is necessary

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea it was super surprising that he got all of that! So good

[@lupvirga]

which is why i want rush duels to become popular. The game needs a reboot.

[@yetanothertrashytuser8033]

​@@lupvirga frrrr rush duel is just better yugioh ngl, its way better for new players and its more understandable, the cards are not trying to break the basic rules everytime, also the power creep isnt so high that you loose in turn 1 wich is crazy considering we're talking about yugioh

[@magetsalive5162]

"This card is turbobad." "What?! Why??" "Opportunity cost." - What I imagine the average Yugioh card review is like

[@TheOneJameYT]

Haha you're not far off

[@ДимитърПоптолев]

"They are not going to print one that says - Draw 3" Runick Fur Hire just entered the room.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Try drolling THAT 😅

[@xTxCxMx]

Folgo was waiting for years for his time to shine, and who could have guessed it would be thanks to another deck with it's OWN card that said draw 3?

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@xTxCxMx haha that’s max irony

[@Pihutihutihutijay]

Meanwhile, the beginning of the End.

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@Pihutihutihutijay that card is so powerful when it goes off

[@CardmarketMagic]

This was great 😎 now I just need Thoralf's mother to sign my golden duel disk so that I can be confirmed duelist

[@TheOneJameYT]

Pics or it didn’t happen 😏

[@martinneljestam1635]

What was the delicious beverage you were drinking?

[@CardmarketMagic]

@martinneljestam1635 it's a Club Matte. They are quite popular here in Germany, especially in Berlin :)

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@CardmarketMagic I need to try one!

[@pi_xi]

Chainsaw Insect is not the worst card, but Insect mill has better cards like Doom Dozer.

[@unattractiveguy1770]

The easier answer to explain why ra is a bad card is, because with 3 monsters on the field you can do so much more than summon a big beatstick that can't do anything on your opponent's turn and basically dies to any kind of removal. You can instead go to some extra deck plays that gives you monsters that interrupts your opponent.

[@TheOneJameYT]

I wanted to say as much as possible without going into the extra deck cards because I want to plan for a future video 😏

[@jonathannorris9475]

​@@TheOneJameYT May I nominate Number iC1000: Numerounius Numeronia. It's the ultimate bait card because when you read it, it's like "oh, if I pull off summoning this I win" but then you realise that overlaying 5 Lv 13 monsters is close to impossible because the largest base level for a monster is 12. So you'd have to do weird combo stuff to artificially raise the levels. And even if you pull it off, you don't get any pay off because it only gets its effects and its ATK & DEF if you summon it off of Numerounius. So you can basically only feasibly use it in Numeron decks, which have easier ways to win the game. So it's just a win more card.

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@jonathannorris9475 they will have a brain conundrum 😂

[@jonathannorris9475]

@@TheOneJameYT to be fair, it's a more creative way to melt someone's brain than just showing someone Endymion the Mighty Master of Magic. Although I do find it funny that in none of these types of videos has someone shown a Magic player a pendulum monster. 😅

[@ItsPForPea]

Also, it seems like they read the Ra's paying LP effect as optional, while it is in fact mandatory, so you would need to get your LP up somehow to be able to use the paying LP effect.

[@Talguy21]

Not only is Ra just a big beater that dies to Doom Blade... - Without even more help it caps out at 7900, which can't OTK - There's no functional survivability difference between 7900 and like 5000, so the statting is probably overkill anyway - It can't use its removal effect if you let it be a beater, and if you use the removal effect it's a 0/0 that you must leave in Attack Position - You need to get 3 materials on board WITHOUT YOUR NORMAL SUMMON, which isn't as trivial as it's made out to be, though certainly not the worst depending - You die to literally any burn post-Ra - Those 4 materials (3 tributes + Normal Summon) could probably have done something that could OTK, didn't set you to 100, or maybe did something besides being a giant idiot - The big damage assumes your opponent's board is empty, which Ra itself can't even facilitate So yeah, unplayable card lol

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea exactly. When Carl said “you just Sparks them and win” I almost lost it 🤣

[@Ms666slayer]

Yeah with those 4 card you could do Accescode clear the board and win.

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@Ms666slayer yea exactly 😂

[@kindlingking]

The easiest tell if a card is garbage or not is whether it's effects conflict with eachother. Unless of course one of these effects is so good people forget there's a second one - like Black Rose Dragon having a weird position changing effect or Zeus being able to attach cards to itself from the deck.

[@syrelian]

@@kindlingking Zeus's attach effect tends to come up if you had to resort to Zeus in general, since you'll probably end up popping something to prevent your opponent from rebuilding Black Rose Dragon however, yeah I forget that effect exists all the time, BRD is just an On Entry nuke to me

[@SnowgoLP]

You should let them read like 5 cards and rank them from best to worst. Might be fun to see what they come up with and you can actually put 5 good cards there without it getting predictable

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea that’s a nice idea

[@shadou1234567]

5:44 slight correction: you don´t go UP to 100. Once you activate the effect to give Ra your life points YOU HAVE to go to 100. so he is correct on saying "how can you use the other effect?", but the answear is, either by healing or by not activating ra first effect.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea exactly

[@matthewsawczyn6592]

Thoralf judging a tournament with zero experience is amazing 😅

[@TheOneJameYT]

Haha I’m surprised they let him 😂

[@jean-philippegrignom6479]

Idk, it's kind of worrying, he didn't understand, effect timing

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@jean-philippegrignom6479 who needs to understand timing when reading the cards explains the cards 😏

[@esseubo441]

Average judge experience

[@jean-philippegrignom6479]

@@TheOneJameYT yeah idk bout that

[@SDREHXC]

You can tell these dudes play card games, the one dude *always* judges cards from any game fairly accurately.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea he always gets them close or spot on

[@RNGHater]

Droll is more of a Canary in the mine. If you have to main deck this card, the format is full of high octane power creep. For reference, every handtrap is like FoW, but for specific situations (activated abilities/etbs effects, searching or putting onto battlfield from library, etc).

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea I dactly. if droll is a main decked card in a format, you know there’s something wrong 😂

[@GodzillaFreak]

Maybe a few years ago. These days a lot of mid combo decks lose to droll, and a lot of super heavy combo decks don't really care about droll

[@-DeScruff]

As someone who hasn't played a modern YuGiOh game since 2006, with only a glimpse of what the modern game looks like. 100% Agree. It sounds like a card that would be good in tournament, terrible at the playground. The power of it is completely reliant on how good your opponent is, and if the card is good there is something terribly wrong.

[@RoboJay-jq3cu]

For any Magic Players wondering a bit more on why a card like Drowning Mirror Force would be bad: Think of it like a Settle the Wreckage, except on a morph creature (so it has moething like "when this is turned face-up, exile all attacking creatures..."). Your opponent is probably going to be suspicious of it, and if they blow it up, it does nothing. Add to that the fact that Drowning Mirror Force requires you to be behind on board (relying on being in a losing position isnt a great strategy) and it might make a bit more sense why a card like that would suck.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Excellent explanation 🫡

[@comlitbeta7532]

The opponent face when they walk right into your trap is worth every defeat

[@Duck_Praise]

Right, and even if you pull it off, after the first mirror force is activated for the rest of the match your opponent will play around it, and there is no guarantee that you win after resolving it because it means you started your turn with one less card, making your combos less consistent.

[@baldpdeng2035]

I respectfully disagree with your explanation (both your and the host's) on why battle trap cards are bad. If it was just the fact that they can be destroyed before resolved, then trap cards such as torrential tribute (which has seen some meta relevance recently) would also be unplayable. For me it is more than 90% or more percent of the times someone has gone to battle phase they will already have some negate on the field, which will make the battle trap irrelevant. Plus that it does nothing to prevent your opponent from establishing the field in the first place

[@skeletonwar4445]

​@@baldpdeng2035"They can just destroy it before it can be used" is, effectively, just shorthand for "it doesn't stop your opponent from establishing a board in any way and has to meet a trigger condition that won't get fulfilled until after they've already established that board." Because the established board is the thing that destroys Mirror Force before it goes off. You can't just destroy Torrential before it goes off, because it can be used in response to literally any summon.

[@Kazutoification]

I'm surprised they didn't know about the life-point payment for Ra. You can pay lifepoints until you have 100 - as in, you may to do so. It's not giving you the option to choose how much lifepoints to pay up until you have 100. Edit: Drowning Mirror Force is a stinker because of its condition. A direct attacks means that your board is open and that's not a board state you should find yourself in. While the effect is good, you have to hope that your opponent doesn't have any backrow removal.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea exactly!

[@Grymhar]

The other mirror forces are much more reliable for this reason, yes. I often still play them in decks like Labrynth to great effect.

[@benikujaku4567]

He knows the Obelisk of Something?? How unfair!

[@TheOneJameYT]

An unfair advantage is an unfair advantage 😏

[@qayiyaxakwe6585]

:"They will never print a card that says draw 3" Runick Players: Ya sure buddy whatever you say👀😏

[@TheOneJameYT]

We’ve been bamboozled by Konami

[@tyllisvfx]

kid named folgo

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

Giantrainer peeking out from behind the curtain:

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@johnnickfanaccount3492 giantrainer is staring into 2017 lol

[@maxinesenior596]

@@TheOneJameYT A.I. Contact: forget about me?

[@pwnagecakes8934]

Need more of this. Hearthstone, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, anything. You guys are just great to watch.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Thanks! That's the goal :)

[@GalandsTruth]

The fact Thoralf was a judge for yugioh is scary lol. Im gonna start asking for judges credentials😂

[@TheOneJameYT]

They just let anyone judge these days 😂

[@lampshade6579]

I was worried about the mismatch of one being a prior yugioh judge. Then he said it was 20 years ago, when the cards literally just said what they did on them in like a sentence. The hardest thing back then was learning the parts of the battle phases, and that MST didn't negate.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yep! I think everyone thought MTG negated back then 😅

[@solaris9426]

@@TheOneJameYT And that was based on the anime always doing that because one of the Battle City rules was that if a Spell/Trap is destroyed after it's activated but before its effect can resolve, the effect just fizzles out.

[@MTG_Scribe]

Even as someone who has never played Yu-Gi-Oh!, I love this series and the Cardmarket crew was fantastic as always! Jame has been killing it with content lately, I can't wait to see more.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Happy you’re liking these videos while never having played yugioh, and thanks for the kind words

[@SAITEKIKA]

The problem with chainsaw insect is it isn't 2006 anymore. This card was actually very playable in Doom Dozer beatdown decks way back, you could also pair it with "Skill Drain" in those beatdown decks to avoid the downside. Other then that, it's a very niche way to stop your opponent from looping cards like "Sword of Deep-Seated" or "Outstanding Dog Marron" although I don't think it historically saw use in that way.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea I’m pretty sure Chainsaw Insect + Skill Drain was almost unbeatable back then lol

[@wickederebus]

I really want someone to show these two a "Runick+Spright+Fur Hire" deck replay video. Imagine tutoring from your deck 3 or 4 times, then draw 3, then draw 3 in a different way, with the chance you draw 3 again. Then you pass turn with 2 doom blades and 2 counterspells, both are attached to creatures with decent stats. And then you can spam instants from hand, and draw another 6 cards to use during your opponent's turn.

[@TheOneJameYT]

They’d flip out lmao

[@wickederebus]

@@TheOneJameYT please show them a Master Duel Bishbaalkan FTK replay just once.

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@wickederebus they’d be so confused 🤣

[@raven_knight_076]

​@@TheOneJameYTshow them one of dawnstar's infinite loops lmao

[@andrewsheiman8574]

Excellent! Love the cardmarket folks It's really interesting that Carl has good intuitions with the cards because he's heard all the Yugioh memes, and Thoralf doesn't belive that Yugioh can actually be *that* combo-y and fast, and keeps misestimating the power level. As primarily a Magic player (who enjoys a little yugioh from time to time), this was a fun video! Great content!

[@TheOneJameYT]

Same! They were a blast to work with

[@dreamcream3738]

I'm surprise that Immortal Phoenix and Sphere Mode didn't make it into the discussion of the Winged Dragon of Ra; the card was so powerful in the source material that to make it remotely fair they had to split it into three cards.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea that was one of the reasons I chose this card. It was busted in the show 😅

[@dreamcream3738]

@@TheOneJameYT Fair enough, the actual cards Immortal Phoenix and Sphere Mode do Ra way more justice in the actual card game than the original Ra card

[@MenloMarseilles]

Thoralf and Carl actually did Ra Sphere already in one of their Cardmarket videos so it would have been an easy win for them

[@SeaHorseOfYoutube]

They analyze the cards so well lol, they picked up immediately that for a card to be broken it has to win the game on turn 1 like how a hand-trap or floodgate cancels the opponents' turn entirely.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yes they analyzed them so well and caught on fast! In my other videos Jim Davis and AliEldrazi caught on fast too

[@pi_xi]

The problem with Draining Mirror Force is also that it must be a direct attack (which usually requires you to have no monsters) and it has no effect on Superheavy Samurai, because these monsters can attack in Defense Mode.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yep exactly

[@Misclickt]

"Yugioh cards have too much text" Don't let this man discover Nirvana High Paladin.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Now I want to show them

[@PamellaCardoso-pp5tr]

I hate coming so early in a video, cuz i love reading the comments...

[@TheOneJameYT]

Come back later for the unhinged comments 😅

[@lennartstockl5826]

I once looked up chainsaw insect and the next thing I saw on KZbin was so many chainsaw ads, I could scroll through them for 30 seconds and still not finish seeing them all. (On mobile there is this infinite scrolling sideways bar for ads.)

[@TheOneJameYT]

I just ruined your algorithm again 😅

[@alexgk9557]

Awesome that you did a vid w Cardmarket! I mostly play magic but it's always fun to look at the yugioh meta and see how wildly different the games are, given their different resource systems.

[@TheOneJameYT]

They are night and day different 😅

[@SirChaosOmega]

Ra is one of those cards that need an entire deck based around it for it to be useful in any way, but with its support if played right it can be a pain for the opponent to deal with if they are not prepared.

[@travelmind5487]

20:43 a really interesting description of force of will. 22:50 i enjoyed thoralfs thought process. Made sense to me. I wonder if thoralf would have gotten it right if the statement everything dies to doomblade would have been changed to everything dies to nekrataal (meaning mostly or often creatures).

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea that’s definitely interesting to think about. He got a lot right though, and for good reasons!

[@LazurBeemz]

holy moly they called out Droll perfectly!

[@TheOneJameYT]

They did!! I was kinda surprised to be honest

[@matasa7463]

Card games are card games. They're expert card players, they'll figure it out lol.

[@MsMiDC]

Droll & Lock Bird is not always good though. Most formats actually dont need Droll at all.

[@MDoorpsy]

At the very least it'd be a side board staple.

[@TheOneJameYT]

The extra broken formats with a tier 1 deck that goes into the deck a lot, really needs droll. But yea it can be really medium at times, much like Thoralf said 😅

[@eulefranz944]

I just love the cardmarket guys I hope you two can collab again and maybe show them a companion - I mean an extra deck monster Or harder cards, they are really good

[@TheOneJameYT]

I’d like to have them return sometime! And then I’ll expand on their knowledge and show them extra deck monsters like you said 🙏

[@NarutoxinZ]

"They won't print a draw 3" Runick Fountain: "Am I a joke to you?"

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yes 😅

[@hail2jigglypuff168]

Correction: They won't print a generic draw 3

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@hail2jigglypuff168 yea, an unconditional one

[@esrohm6460]

but they have printed a card that reads draw 3 without downside that isn't once per turn and it's called runic fountain

[@TheOneJameYT]

The downside is never having a battle phase but that doesn’t matter as much 😅

[@menaatefadly]

And a link 3 furhire that ALSO works well with runik

[@TitanAlliance-hu1dw]

Huh? The Winged Dragon is unplayable? Someone hasn't seen or played a deck specifically for this card, apparently.

[@shaylic3795]

I remember the dreaded combo of Droll and Lockbird with Trickstar Reincarnation.

[@TheOneJameYT]

That wasn’t a fun time in my competitive Yugioh days 😅

[@winrar42]

I don't mind that they turned into a team. I love this concept and cool crossover

[@TheOneJameYT]

I didn’t mind it either! We’ll hopefully have them back in a future video

[@TheFreakUnderUrBed]

These videos are always entertaining 😀 For the mtg players that are confused, you have to really adjust your frame of reference. Modern ygo is basically like playing vintage or omniscience format with no banlist. Everything is free and absurdly powerful, so all the midrange-y interactions you’re used to don’t really hold up. Imagine your opponent goes t1 ancestral recall, multiple mox/lotus and summons griselbrand, atraxa, etc and ends the turn with 2-3 times the number of cards they started with. Now your job is to break their board and have cards left over to make a board of your own. If you imagine it like that, you can start to see why slow cards like mirror force and Ra do absolutely nothing.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea Omniscience format is probably the best way to explain it lol

[@prestonmccoy7097]

I’d LOVE to see these guys reactions to a Master Duel match! It’d be HILARIOUS!!

[@hyoroemongaming569]

8:51 10:26 11:03 In 2012 one of the best deck, Chaos Dragon, only put 3-5 practically vanilla beatstick. Which admitedly was fast 10 years ago

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea 10 years ago yugioh was a much different game than it is today

[@SuperKamiGuru20]

I've seen drowning mirror force clear full boards of boss monsters. It can be good at times, but it's completely useless if you're up against superheavy samurais.

[@letsmakeit110]

"this card has to be good, its blowing up a planet" most powerful-looking card art is a great edh deck theme idea

[@TheOneJameYT]

I’m stealing this theme 😂

[@ich3730]

we used to play "flavor EDH" at my LGS, if you can make it make sense, its valid

[@ChuckUFarley90]

The Winged Dragon of Ra becomes a LOT better with proper support cards, like Ra's Disciple, Ancient Chant, Blaze Cannon, and True Sun God. With those cards, Ra can easily get up to over 11,000 ATK, which can (usually) be enough to kill your opponent in one shot.

[@TheOneJameYT]

I think it needs a few more support cards to be competitively viable but it has a shot at being good in the future for sure

[@MaxedEntropy]

I've seen some youtubers like Seereax do very well with Ra decks, sphere outs a lot of - otherwise hard to beat - boards and with the new support cards it can do so much more than just hitting hard.

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@MaxedEntropy yea sphere mode is a good reason to play the deck

[@MindForgedManacle]

What a great video concept. Keep these coming. I've scarcely played Magic, but this was very entertaining

[@TheOneJameYT]

Thanks!! There are many more on here already and more to come

[@CaioOleskovicz]

This is insane! Very nice collab, host is very good and charismatic, and guests were super fun too! As an average Magic player for 20 years, i would guess all of them wrong, except the beetle.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Thanks!! Super glad you like the content

[@KGH3000]

Drowning Mirror Force isn't a planet, it's a dome of water deflecting an attack. Mirror Force shows a force field deflecting an attack and this one is "drowning" because the force field is made of water instead.

[@DuskoftheTwilight]

5:50 you actually cant modilate the amount of life points you pay for the first effect, either you pay so that you only have 100 left, or you dont pay anything and Ra is a 0/0. So the last effect is only live if you left Ra as a 0/0 or if you somehow recovered 1000+ life points after playing him.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yep exactly

[@joshuahadams]

You can sort of do a 15 “Mirror Force” deck, it’s just a bit odd. Yugioh players often think of tutors as extra copies of the cards they tutor. So to start you have your three “Mirror Forces”. Next you can add three “Mirror Force Launcher”s to your deck, which can tutor your “Mirror Force”s by discarding 1 card OR it can set a copy directly from your deck if it’s destroyed. Next you add in “Trap Trick”, which can set a trap from your deck by exiling another copy of said trap. “Lilith, Lady of Lament” can tribute herself to reveal 3 traps from your deck, your opponent chooses one for you to set, and the rest go back into your deck. Finally there’s “Trap Tracks”, which lets you destroy a monster to set a trap from your deck. 3 • 5 = 15. Sure, there’s almost always a better option for a board wipe, like “Interrupted Kaiju Slumber”, “Dark Hole”, or “Raigeki”, but there’s fun in building weird decks.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Haha this would be such a fun deck to play

[@maxinesenior596]

Opponent plays Superheavy Samurai or Scareclaw Kashtira and just beats you up while in defense position 😂

[@TheOneJameYT]

That would be so funny @@maxinesenior596

[@joshuahadams]

@@maxinesenior596 that’s where you get sneaky and throw in some copies of Dark Mirror Force.

[@maxinesenior596]

"they're not going to print one that says draw 3" A.I. Contact would like a word, also Runick Fountain and Folgo, Justice Fur Hire

[@TheOneJameYT]

I meant straight up draw 3 lol

[@IWANTAWORLD]

I love that he tried to combo the winged dragon of Ra with SPARKS...lol

[@TheOneJameYT]

I loved it too lmao

[@mr.orange2192]

That's a Raigeki + Silver fang level combo

[@dsamurai4725]

Drowning had its appearance in paleo a few metas ago, but this challenge is about the modern meta. And yeah with that in mind this card is just much too slow f.e. isnt searchable in the archetype or doesnt do anything in the grave/ doesnt let you interact with a combo and isnt chainable to destruciton effects.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea there’s just a lot of factors that go into this being a bad card 🥲

[@dsamurai4725]

@@TheOneJameYT well id not say it's a bad card. It depends on the context. In a draft mode this card is probably one of the best generic traps there is. But in yugioh you have the card pool of 10k plus cards and there this card is maybe in the upper third but not near as some cards that can generate f. e. Advantage or Synergize with an archetype or stop the opponent from interacting. It's much better to have a part of a chain or a chainblocker nowadays, because the game has this much combo potential. A mirror force is basically a -1 if you can't use it (what traps can't do in the first turn) but also not in the opponents turn, cause of the mentioned reasons

[@skeletonwar4445]

​@@dsamurai4725Calling cards good or bad is always reliant on the current meta of the modern standard format. Because if we start rating cards based on random past/side formats with vastly different powerlevels, we might as well just stop rating at all, because just about every card can range from dogwater to busted depending on when, how and in what it's theoretically played. Of course, you can always add "it's good in [x]" format *on top* of the rating for standard. Like, you'll never catch anyone calling Merlin a good card... even though he was a 3 of and the best starter in a top tier meta deck in Duel Links once.

[@LordHeishin]

Just stumbled onto this series. This is so wildly entertaining. 8 months behind, I've got some catching up to do. (Edit: The way Thoralf nailed droll was CRAZY)

[@TheOneJameYT]

I was so surprised! Let me know what you think of the other videos you watch, you have a lot of catching up to do!

[@maxwell4322]

The problem with Drowning Mirror force is that its locked into a specific phase of the Game. You cant use it unless its in combat. And in Yugioh, alot of combo cards come in with a built in "Natrualize" or "Doom Blade" effect. I dont think MTG players can relate to that since most casual games last much longer and cards like this would have been an instant or sorcery meaning in their mind an effect like this would have been safe in their hands. Instead its just out in the open, asking to be destroyed and u can not use it in response to its own destruction because it will be destroyed in the mainphase and miss any possible timing.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Exactly

[@bijuutamer729]

19:11 Funny story Droll and Lock was paired with Trickstar Reincarnation to have the opponent discard their whole hand

[@anthonycannet1305]

Wasn’t there a tournament where someone won with Winged Dragon of Ra because a lot of people were playing Sphere Mode which lets you summon Ra basically for free?

[@byrontheusurper6505]

Just got into magic recently and been into yugioh for a while this will be fun

[@TheOneJameYT]

Hope you enjoy!

[@aweetodd]

The way i would explain the extra deck to MTG players is a small deck of commanders that don't necessarily go back to the command zone onces thay leave the battlefield

[@Zach174.]

17:21 I was about to say “wow I’ve never seen this card” And now I know why.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Haha true

[@gigalodon14]

People being judges without experience explains a lot of weird situations

[@TheOneJameYT]

I can imagine there are a ton of those 😅

[@jakethereaper2060]

one of these days you gotta show them Nirvana High Paladin

[@TheOneJameYT]

That has like the most text in Yugioh history 😅

[@skeletonwar4445]

​@@TheOneJameYTThat honor goes to Endymion, The Magical Master Mage of Magical Magic... or something like that...

[@mindlord0013]

Drowning Mirror Force is just an inferior version of Mirror Force. Mirror Force can activate on any attack your opponent declares, whereas DMF specifies that it's on a DIRECT attack specifically, meaning your opponent is attacking your life points directly. So at the very least, the conditions for activation are much more specific. Furthermore, returning cards to your opponents deck isn't any better than destroying it outright, in most circumstances. Sometimes it's better, sometimes it's worse.

[@johnny_crash]

Always enjoy seeing the CardMarket guys on other channels

[@TheOneJameYT]

I’m happy they agreed to come on the show!

[@johnny_crash]

@@TheOneJameYT Best Company channel I experienced in a while. The MTG crew is great. Speaking for their YGO Channel I would say there are improvements possible. But didn’t Play YGO for like 15 years.

[@P3ndragon025]

Think of it this way, there are yugioh cards especially battletraps(trap cards that activate during the battlephase like mirror force) that look good on paper but is unplayable in the current meta because it can just be removed before they have a chance to activate their effects.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yup exactly

[@iBloodxHunter]

Lol better, what if you Fog could be destroyed by something dime-a-dozen like targeted removal? What if my ummmmm... Cathar or Westfold Rider or what have you could sac itself to destroy your cloudshift or whatever? It's kinda funny to think about.

[@kylewilson2819]

Exactly why the current meta of Yu-Gi-Oh is virtually unplayable for fans of the OG Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@prototipolq-84i46]

Magic Cylinder JAJA!

[@pasteldad39]

"Theyre not gonna print a card that lets you draw 3" Runick fountain:

[@TheOneJameYT]

"hold my beer"

[@RakaTwo13]

I wouldn't say drowning mirror force is unplayable, it's just only useful in low tier and for fun strategies. It's the best of the mirror force archetype by far for shuffling monsters in, and if you play a casual-tier trap heavy control deck with something like lord of heavenly prison to protect your face downs, it can seriously disrupt your opponent. I'd say shuffle back is above banish face down in terms of removal because the targets it tends to hit require a certain amount of gas to bring out. Making them available to draw again rather than another starter or extender can brick out an opponents draw.

[@CasualKing21]

I'm a simple man, I see the Card Market crew and I click!

[@TheOneJameYT]

They’re awesome!

[@100msplays4]

bruh winged dragon of raa is good, there are ways to get it from the deck . i watched SeeReax do it with different meta decks such as kashtira and such

[@Slednyy]

“They’re not gonna print draw 3” *Runick Fountain hovers overhead*

[@karottenkrieger6272]

"they will never print a card that draws 3" Laughing in Runick Fountain and Cards of Demise

[@RanDoomPuff]

Droll isnt a neccesary evil its just evil

[@TheOneJameYT]

😂😂😂

[@Rancher.Rancher]

"They aren't gonna print one that says "Draw 3." Card of Demise: Let me just mosey on in here right quick.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Hahaha that card is bonkers. Maybe I should give someone that card to analyze 🤔

[@the24thcolossusjustchillin39]

Now is a good time to mention that a lot of cards in yuigoh are made to work together.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea they’ll find that out in the next video we do if they come back on the channel

[@iBloodxHunter]

​​@@TheOneJameYTTell them "every deck is a creature based tribal cascade deck where half of the cards can meld with each other." With some exceptions.... Of course. You could compare Eldlich to enchantress or Kozmo to ninjutsu decks.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

To clear up some of the confusions the two had: First off, yugioh is all about really really strong boss monsters, monsters which can easily counter or destroy stuff. Also since yugioh has no summoning sickness, boss monsters will usually be out by Main Phase 1. As for the individual cards: Ra: Its "no effects can be activated" is basically split second: while Ra is on the "stack", no player can do anything until its summon is resolved and the Ra player starts a new action. It might be useful sometimes, but it's really more of a novelty at best. Also Ra's LP pay effect is all or nothing, and only on summon. To use its second effect, you either need to use terrible lifegain cards or chose to have it stay at 0 atk, after which you can never pay to boost its atk again. And yes, this really really is terrible, and it's an active design choice. If you could choose to keep it as a decent attacker by paying lots but not all your lp, then use its second effect to clear the board, it would be much better. A board clear on a boss monster is genuinely good, but since it has to stay at 0 atk to use it, it becomes a much worse Raigeki that takes 3 tributes, a normal summon, thousands of lp and doesn't even work around target protection (hexproof). There's also the risk of bricking, the fact that it takes your only normal summon per turn and ultimately it's just the opportunity cost: if you use its first effect, it's pretty much a vanilla. A strong vanilla, but you'd be much better off using those 3 monsters you tributed for a boss monster that is not only strong but also able to actually do something meaningful besides attacking and dying to the first removal. Drowning Mirror Force: The main issue with this card is just when you activate it. It can only be activated during the battle phase, but to get there your opponent will already have brought out their own boss monster(s), and chances are they can either destroy or counter something, and since you need to set the card on the field first, your opponent can just easily get rid of it with their boss monster. Royal Oppression: Unlike Drowning Mirror Force, this one can be activated as soon as your opponent's turn starts, then prevent them from ever actually reaching their boss monsters in the first place. Also while it's technicially symmetrical, you can just bring out your boss monster on turn 1, then end with a set royal oppression, then as soon as your opponent starts their turn you can activate it and lock your opponent from reaching theirs. If your boss monster can also counter a spell, they have no way of getting into the game at all since they can neither bring out their boss nor remove royal oppression.

[@NoBudgetDuelist]

Winged Dragon of Ra is like playing Lotus Field without Hexproof against Ponza/Land Destruction. It has a great effect, sure, but you'll never get to use it and you'll be down a bunch of resources to play a card that didn't win the game.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Exactly, that's a great way to put it

[@ChronosLawliet123]

So, I have a question about Royal oppression: What is stopping your opponent from using it against you? Because yes you could destroy it when your turn comes before you start special summoning, but then you'd have to have the specific monsters to do that already summoned from your last turn, or you'd have to have the specific spell or trap to destroy it, and that's just spending resources in doing just that... But then again, I guess you'd only activate this card if you already have the card to destroy it, hmm...

[@TheOneJameYT]

You flip it when you’re already ahead on board, and you flip it when your deck doesn’t need to special summon at all.

[@sonicboy678]

When Droll came up, I couldn't help but think of Maxx "C". Yes, I'm aware that Maxx "C" is banned under TCG (Advanced) rules.

[@TheColdbloodedfox]

For the exact reason you mentioned that drowning mirror force may be good is the reason I think playing it at 1 is good. Because nobody plays it anymore, it has fallen out of favor and therefore people may think the backrow is nothing worth destroying. Its the same reason I will throw 1 honest in a light deck. Because nobody plays around those cards anymore, the card becomes good again. They win games because they have fallen out of the meta

[@rohanjn4438]

You know what.... I would have really liked if the divine beasts were exactly like their anime counterparts and be perma banned in Yugioh

[@TheOneJameYT]

I agree!

[@lifedeather]

Nah Drowning Mirror Force is by far the best Mirror Force, if not one of the best battle traps out there, use it in something like Yosenju for maximum power :)

[@quakins6814]

calling it "trivially" easy was maybe a stretch. Like to be fair just summoning 3 things is trivially easy which was the question but actually getting ra out (like doing the 1 card combo) requires you to be fairly invested into the strategy

[@TheOneJameYT]

While I agree with you, I do have to point out that many synchro and combo decks can summon a very high number of monsters per turn, they just choose not to because of cards like Nibiru.

[@quakins6814]

@@TheOneJameYT Yeah that's definitely trivially easy I agree but my point is that I feel like they were vaguely misled because getting ra out on the board isn't necessarily trivially easy. It either requires you to be playing the cards that let you 1 card combo him out or just hard draw him with some sort of extra normal summon in a random other deck.

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@quakins6814 right, but the point of the video isn’t to give the answer to them. The point is to make them think and use their MTG knowledge to guess the right answer.

[@quakins6814]

​@@TheOneJameYT Yeah no worries I get that. I'm just saying that their interpretation of the card was definitely swayed by that answer. I also admit in my first comment that you provided a fair and literal answer to their question

[@RollingCalf]

That droll and lock moment was beautiful

[@TheOneJameYT]

He was so spot on!

[@RollingCalf]

@@TheOneJameYT yeah. She's only broken because she answers broken things.

[@laytonjr6601]

In the anime, God Cards have insane effects but I'm not even sure they would be good in modern Yu-gi-oh - If they are destroyed or banished by card effect, they are instead banished face down and special summon themself in your next standby phase - any card effect only affects them for one turn (explains the above effect) - they cannot be destroyed by battle unless by another god card - if you tribute them for a tribute summon, they count for 3 tributes Chainsaw Insect wouldn't even be used in mill decks because you still don't want your opponent to have cards in their hands

[@ardynizunia9709]

12:52 I don't even play this game and even I can see that you're both wrong lmao. It's some sort of energy shield. The card is called drowning mirror force, so it looks like water that reflects something back, makes sense right? So it's art is supposed to be a defensive water spell absorbing an attack.

[@TheOneJameYT]

You’re probably right, I always thought it was a planet 😅

[@ardynizunia9709]

@@TheOneJameYT Given the cards you showed later, I'd say all mirror forces are some sort of reflecting spell of their respective element, with mirror force just being a pure magic mirror or something 🤔

[@YukiFubuki.]

@@ardynizunia9709 yup you're spot on, mirror force is the original and its art depicts the point of impact from an arrow-like laser based "attack" hitting a mirror-like shield, every other mirror force are basically variations of the original slowly released over the years as different elemental counterparts with similar effects but with mechanics that are associated with the elemental attribute they are based on like how blazing mirror forces inflicts burn dmg to both players because burn = fire or quaking mirror forces shifts the monster's position from atk to defense as earth was associated with defense more strongly then any other attribute early on and storming returns the monsters to the hand as wind was associated with either the “return” mechanic or spell/trap removal the art for all mirror force is based off of the original which can be a bit hard to decipher but thats because its basically a close up shot of the panel from the manga depicting the point of impact of the effect in action

[@petersmythe6462]

"Drowning mirror force" Yeah my first instinct here is that the card is purple. Purple is one of my favorite colors but not in Yu-Gi-Oh.

[@nit0134]

Droll and Lock Bird is a card that keeps very powerful decks in check, but isnt always necessary. But if it's being main decked in every deck, it means the meta is broken

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea exactly lol

[@philgoad5587]

Saw Chainsaw Insect and my YugiBoomer mind went straight to, oh are we explaining Skill Drain Beats?

[@TheOneJameYT]

I should’ve shown them Beast King Barbaros in that case 😅

[@pokeng]

Honestly, i remember, watching someone else also doing this. But my issue with that video is that he'd show infamous cards of the past, and just out right said they're bad based on current meta and doesnt elaborate why they're banned and have such a noteriety. Yata-garasu for instance, possibly horrible card on its own, but it was banned because of a certain combination of other cards. And imo, here's a gimmick with Ra. With dna transplant, turning all monster type on the field into psychic. If you can manage to summon Ra, you can use that one Psychic Field card to add a counter instead of paying life points to use his second effect to pay 1000 lp to destroy 1 card.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea that’s why I try my best to explain the relevance of the card, and also say if it was good in the past Vs how good it is right now, like how I evaluated ABC Dragon Buster in my most recent video. I like that combo with Ra!

[@tyrelllowery2074]

I hate that I’m only discovering this channel now, but I love that I’ve got a back log to go through.

[@TheOneJameYT]

Happy watching!!

[@darkheat9946]

I know I'm late but the amount of times I've activated drowning and beat my opponent because their "untargetable, can't be destroyed" monsters attacked with the unknown face down is surprising. Also some of these cards you say are bad have other cards that make them good i.e True Sun God or you say are niche but you can literally Called By/ Crossout/Negate some of the staples you said.

[@ChaosDragon]

Droll & Lock Bird: "If this was 8-10 years ago, when yugioh was a much slower game, this card would be unplayably bad." My friend Droll is 13 years old, you needn't use a hypothetical. It WAS unplayably bad back in the day.

[@TheOneJameYT]

I know the card is old, just didn’t know the exact year lol

[@ChaosDragon]

@TheOneJameYT I'm simply pointing out that you could have used the actual history of the card as your explanation rather than a hypothetical scenario of whether the card would or would not be playable in the past. Always love these videos and hope you keep making them ❤️

[@TheOneJameYT]

@@ChaosDragon yea I just don’t like to get super nuanced with people that have no clue about the game, and it would also be an hour long video if I went into a lot of detail about each card lol. There will definitely be more videos like this to come, and some fun series’s in the future

[@jimmysgameplaysandreviews6377]

As someone who runs a super mean magician deck i love my giant mega chicken ra lol always funny to see the persons reaction when i get him or obalisk out

[@slothbro2740]

glad this got recommended. everyone in this is great

[@TheOneJameYT]

Thanks!!

[@tifalockhart5850]

Tbh in a deck based off of Ra Is very much playable.

[@ThePenitentSquirrel]

All you need to know about how broken Yu-gi-oh can be (at least before I bounced because the ban hammer would destroy my deck and its value): Zoodiac --> Hogaak True Draco --> Eldrazi Winter Ash Blossom --> Force of Will sort of

[@TheOneJameYT]

Yea basically!

[@nenadmarjanovic6648]

Yugioh is the only TCG I've ever played and I have no clue about other TCG's, I played a lot as a kid (2010/2011) then had long pause but was still following partly what's happening and picked it up like half a year ago and am still playing a lot I only got last one correct....

[@blastfiend7478]

2-3 turns is idek weird but crazy… been so long, I remember as a kid you could have games where you burn through your entire deck and lasted all recess

[@TheOneJameYT]

Those are the days of the past!

[@blastfiend7478]

@@TheOneJameYT I just wish I still had them/took care of them honestly - had LOB 1st ed Blue eyes and dark magician… my dumbass Ofc never sleeved them, instead wrapped in a rubber band and carried em in my pocket LOL