MTG Top 10: Poison | The STRONGEST Alternate Win Condition?

[@enlongjones2394]

A poison card that I remember fondly is Decimator Web. It gives the opponent 1 poison counter, deals 2 damage, and mills 6 of their cards. I just like how it works with the name, and causes 1/10th of a game loss in several ways.

[@hiimemily]

Ironically, the mill is the fastest kill of the three, assuming a 60 card deck; by the time Decimator Web comes down, your opponent will be down to 50ish cards at most, and since they draw a card every turn in addition to milling 6, we're likely looking at a 7 turn clock.

[@Triceratopping]

Had a guy in my casual kitchen table playgroup years ago who made it his mission to try and get all three wins conditions simultaneously with it. He never managed it but his tenacity was impressive.

[@NizzahonMagic]

Damn, that is some really sweet flavor. I had never picked up on that.

[@Earthboundmike]

@@Triceratopping Maaaaan, now I want to take that up if I get back into this lol

[@anthonypeters3005]

In honor of Snow-Covered Wastes coming in MH3 please do Top 10 Basic Lands

[@KokNoker]

ಠ_ಠ

[@AyoJayArr]

Top 6 basic lands

[@Rexcilious]

@@AyoJayArr 12, each has a snow covered iteration

[@SolviKaaber]

I do think Nizzahon should do his top 10 best looking basic lands

[@joshelderkin9592]

What a shit idea 😂

[@cax1175]

Homelands is also the only set to be brave enough to give you a card to remove poison counters with Leeches.

[@mayoremanuel1989]

I was really surprised in MOM or Aftermath there was no 'cure' to phyresis. Just that one card that made gaining poison counters slower that no one planes.

[@SomeGuy712x]

(0:42) Except for Marsh Viper, which gave two poison counters if it managed to hit. (11:10) I'm so glad pulled an Inkmoth Nexus in the past. I've made use of it in my Fynn, the Fangbearer deck, and I even got to reanimate it once after it was destroyed, simply by attacking with Erinis, Gloom Stalker, which was really neat.

[@mightyfp]

Found the 90s kid.

[@marioroz3142]

LOL, I've lost a couple of games because I forgot Etali can transform. Usually nobody transforms it.

[@hinyaha]

Been winning on turn 2 with Glistener Elf for years. Good times.

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

Fun fact, I am actually poisonous myself. Ingesting me will lead to instant death because of the poison dart frogs I keep swallowing. I will not stop until the people get "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)"!

[@weaselhatgaming1010]

TheGloriousLobsterEmperor (minus the “Top 10 Vintage Cards (minus the power nine)!”)

[@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor]

@@weaselhatgaming1010 👃👁️👃

[@Daniel-q9f8p]

The first card I thought of was Glistener Elf and it's only #8

[@valeman0]

My favorite home brewed deck was a marsh viper + fire whip and then a bunch of cheap untap effects. Usually a turn 5 win, turn 4 if i had some mana dorks.

[@montefrenkel8205]

Makes me wonder about proliferate, i wonder how many of the top proliferate cards are poison enhancers, vs. Helping some other strategy.

[@cthulawha]

I really love the toxic pre con commander deck from Phyrexia , I upgraded it with rot priest ,bloated contaminator and a few other cards it is very strong and makes me the immediate target at the table

[@NetherVoiD]

My Favorite Jawbone Duelist It's double striker.

[@Falchieyan]

I'm a little surprised that Triumph of the Hordes didn't make the list, but maybe it's only had a limited number of decks where it's a win con.

[@iNCoMpeTeNtplAyS]

It costs 4 mana and requires either a big creature(which would also cost a lot of mana) or an army of smaller creatures, which in total would be a lot of mana, enough that hitting face would just be faster.

[@taurincochran3398]

My favorite is "Fynn the fangbearer".

[@astuteanansi4935]

Did the Unlife Solemnity prison deck not get any points at all anywhere?

[@NDHFilms]

3:18 “A problematic artifact.” What, like the Elgin Marbles?

[@robertsweeney7040]

Does Leeches-Phyrexian Life also work?

[@connormohs6046]

Has Etali earned any points in Legacy? He is starting to see play in Mississippi River, though I’m not sure if that has earned any points yet

[@DaxRaider]

why they needed poisonous and toxic ? it does the same thing like the only difference is toxic is a static ability but poisonous is a triggered ability ... did they rly had to invent a new keyword for this ? was is so bad as a triggered ability ?

[@cedricberube]

can't believe venerated rotpriest didn't make the cut

[@NizzahonMagic]

It was #11.

[@JCintheBCC]

@@NizzahonMagic I just play casually, and when I see a rotpriest land turn one, I concede. I'm so so tired of rotpriest control decks.

[@doomdozer26]

At 11:55 i have a question...you said "you can slap the hammer on the nexus and use it's ability to give it flying"... how?? The hammer can only be eauipped on the nexus when its a creature, so it will lose flying, so how can it give itself flying?? 🤔🤔🤔

[@NizzahonMagic]

Because of the way the rules work, you can equip the Hammer, and then give it flying, and it gains flying. If you give it flying first, it will take it away, but it doesn't do it after.

[@cspeeds96]

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[@NizzahonMagic]

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[@monogreen]

Which infect decks played Blighted Agent but not Glistener Elf?

[@NizzahonMagic]

In the early days of Modern, Mono-Blue Infect was the most common variant.

[@SirZapdos]

Sam Black's monoblue Dragonstorm Infect deck that top 8ed PT Philadelphia in 2011

[@Marsdend1]

Yeah you had blighted agent + piston sledge

[@number4497]

Wait what’s the difference between toxic and poisonous? Did they just feel like using a different name? 😊

[@ww11gunny]

One works with non combat damage too. The other only works with combat damage

[@sawyermifsud852]

It's crazy Mirrex has managed to get to #2 on this list in less than a year.

[@louisnemzer6801]

With a taste of a poison paradise I'm addicted to you Don't you know that you're toxic?

[@bobsmirnoff]

Doesn't Etali have toxic instead of infect? It does not say "instead"

[@catfishwithwhiskers]

It's closer to infect since you can block it to prevent some of the trample damage. But yea unlike infect it also deals actual damage.

[@jackvogel701]

Yeah it’s like a combo of both but not technically either

[@todd_densen]

Infect also deals damage to creatures in the form of -1/-1 counters. Etali does not.

[@josephmay852]

"Do you want to poison your opponent?" Please I suck at this game, this isn't even a joke about infect, I just wanna win

[@ElPanadero18]

Is there a functional difference between poisonous and toxic?

[@blakezekin553]

Poisonous is a triggered ability, and toxic is a static, so you can stifle poisonous..

[@monogreen]

In the case of Toxic they also take regular damage, so pumping a toxic creature increases its normal damage and not its poison. A creature with Infect deals damage as poison counters. So your opponent gets poison counters equal to damage done.

[@monogreen]

So a 10/10 Creature with Toxic 1 against an opponent on starting life, will reduce their life from 20 down to 10 and give them a single poison counter. A 10/10 creature with Infect in the same position will leave the opponent at 20 life, but instead give them 10 poison counters.

[@DailyLaugh96]

I love alternative win conditions and poison is one of the best if you can pull it off. But it is very annoying playing against it

[@marsgreekgod]

top ten sideboard?

[@geronimo8159]

Skrelv's artwork looks especially confusing. Hard to tell what's what with Phyrexians anyhow 😂

[@ich3730]

i think its a mite gnawing on some other phyrexian, probably a sheoldred-aligned creature that got caught spying on elesh norn?

[@joshelderkin9592]

Why did they even do toxic when poisoness already existed

[@thevaultwalrus]

All will be one

[@aerienix]

Inkmoth #1?

[@nickalasmontano1496]

Hell yeah

[@Dragonfangs]

I find it very funny that only a handful of the cards on the list are really powerful because of the poison mechanic. For the majority of them, poison is a neat extra bonus but not WHY they are good cards.

[@ich3730]

most of these cards would not be played if they didnt have infect tho? Like, inkmoth nexus is only played in infect, thats why its so high on the list

[@f0llinge]

Inkmoth nexus does not tap for colorless but rather for generic manna.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

You can't tap for generic mana. Generic mana is a cost, not a type of mana.

[@f0llinge]

@@MakeVarahHappen True, but there's a symbol for colorless mana, and inkmoth nexus does not have it so it will not work for cases where one needs specifically colorless mana.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

@@f0llinge that isn't true Inkmoth Nexus was just printed before they made that symbol so its original printing doesn't have it. If it did tap for generic mana what would that even mean?

[@jackiespaceman]

I really hate poison, the lack of interactivity just makes it unfun

[@ich3730]

What do you mean? There is multiple ways of interacting with the counters and there are even cards that turn it off completely, like melira.

[@heath1948]

Boys and only works when it comes to Commander with certain commanders

[@bobjones4469]

I thought Exodia was the strongest win condition. Did I trigger anyone? I know many MTG players tend to loath Yugioh, or Japanese nerd culture in general.

[@melenynder7136]

I want to say glistener elf or inkmoth nexus but the back of my mind knows it's Etali

[@EnderLord99]

He's number 4, actually Your second guess was correct.

[@melenynder7136]

@@EnderLord99 yeah the list ended up being a lot more stacked than I thought

[@Shimatzu95]

Lands being on top is always logical and suprising (cause i dont think about them) at the same time.

[@williamdrum9899]

No, the strongest win condition is definitely getting rid of your entire library

[@r4v4g3r]

Mill is a way stronger alternate win condition.

[@DJFracus]

Mill is the thing people like to complain about but is rarely, if ever, competitively powerful

[@r4v4g3r]

@@DJFracus when I think of a “strong” alternate win condition, I don’t think of what decks, historically, have been competitive, maybe that’s just me. I think of which alternate win condition is the easier and more reliable to win with. With the right sets of cards mill is the strongest win condition even over just damage imo.

[@Shimatzu95]

I would ask which format, but i dont think mill was realy viable in any for a relevant amouth of time.

[@heath1948]

​@@DJFracusmill once again is only viable with certain commanders and cards. A milll win is very hard to pull off in Commander

[@lau9076]

One of the most unfun mechanics ever

[@solyluna4967]

For me is very fun (i played of course poison deck)