Foundations MTG Spoilers | Genesis Wave and Thousand-Year Storm Return, Black Wrath and More!

[@margibso]

Between Blasphemous Edict, Sunfall, and Farewell I feel like Wizards is stealth banning the indestructible keyword.

[@brushwagg7735]

What is Farewell back I will lose my mind

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Yeah I hate it but black should be better at deleting creatures than white and still isnt... also worse at drawing lots of cards and worse at gaining life and making token creatures and pumping creatures and making treasure? White even competes with mass recursion rofl Black needs help 🤣

[@Jon_Doe]

??? u are delusional indestructible is a broken keyword tht needs more counterplay

[@AesirOdinn]

​@@Jon_Doeand is also a restricted keyword. Usually you give indestructible to something until end of turn.

[@AesirOdinn]

And hexproof

[@theartofvideogames7895]

The amount of times Seth called “Blasphemous edict” “Blasphemous act” is actually insane

[@KoshoShinogi]

Zimone can also double the counters on artifacts. Could be good with Urabrask's Forge or the Millennium Calendar in standard.

[@willwithanxbox]

Seth for you next podcast you should have a rule where you can't evaluate based on how a creature died to removal. I've noticed that you guys have said a creature is bad because it dies to everything then goes on to dominate 😂

[@ThexSlothxKing]

Dies to removal means that the creature does nothing when played. So a creature without an ETB or an ability that triggers the turn it came down is criticized as “dies to removal” Cause if you spend 4+ mana to play a creature thats killed with 2 mana immediately you’re gonna have a bad time. Sorry if you already knew this, but it can be useful to the people who don’t understand that concept.

[@ruslantsokov1424]

@@ThexSlothxKing Just like Sheoldred.

[@ArmorArmadillo]

It's not "dying to removal" it's what removal it dies to. Everything does to Sunfall, but not everything dies to shock or cut down.

[@Cthuski]

​@@ruslantsokov1424sheoldred might be the best creature in the game that you simply cast and doesn't have haste or an etb

[@brendans1983]

​@@ArmorArmadillo nothing 'dies' to Sunfall, that's why I hate it.

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

I really hope “sacrifices X creatures of their choice” is just special wording for this sort of introductory set and not the new norm. I prefer when they make things shorter, not longer, and I don’t think anyone was confused by the original wording.

[@felizpanda]

I think it's worth calling out Sylvan Scavenging works really well with Restless Cottage or Vinestalk as a way to help rebuild after a sweeper (not to mention it let's you keep pressure while pacing your threats like people have pointed out)

[@weeklyweeks7545]

For all this talk of magic not feeling like magic, this sure feels like a magic set.

[@miguelfreitas5343]

I mean, true, but UB sets *are* still gonna be coming to every format, I don't think one good set can go around the damage that will deal...

[@TheEvolver311]

​@miguelfreitas5343 We already had UB D&D in standard and FF is going to look more like the Magic aesthetic than Bloomburrow

[@fredt1983]

90% of the cards will never be able to be cast with the "Vomit my entire hand out for 30 damage" tempo. You'd have to hope for a super slow do nothing but wrath/leyline/atraxa deck..

[@TheEvolver311]

@@fredt1983 90% of all cards don't see competitive play.

[@jyrinx]

That is specifically one of the goals of the set. Though that felt better when the center of gravity was “Magic sets have sneakers and TVs now” and not “Magic sets have literal Spider-Man now”

[@diegoperezsommariva2509]

Abyssal Harvester fits just perfectly in my Sidisi all creatures deck. Its like second copy of 'the master, transcendent' but on curve and that works from surveil and from when you sacrifice a creature. What a treat man!

[@makseamd]

Seth, you should build a Thousand year storm + Dopelgang deck and clash with some Phil's crazy brews via webcam

[@Hanmacx]

Thousand Year Storm + Slime against Humanity?

[@alexanderhenderson5583]

I feel like Thousand Year Storm and Doppelgang is a bit of a non-bo, as you can't pay the X on later copies of the spell. Though perhaps the idea is to use Thousand Year Storm and a bunch of rituals to make a lot of mana, and then cast a single useful Doppelgang for a large X? But there have to be easier ways of getting a lot a mana in standard...?

[@corvinhc]

Authority will be a sideboard allstar vs all the red aggro decks it turns off all the hasters (preventing any explosive multiple free Slickshots into spells turns) and basically blanks Urabrasks Forge forever (while also passively gaining you 1 life for each turn for each forge in play).

[@westonmiller6260]

@saffronolive I was about to comment this but this person beat me to it. I think you blew right over the fact that Authority of the Consuls is the best hose to Standard Mono Red that you can get. Commander players are obviously enjoying the reprint as well but this is more significant for Standard than I think you've given it credit for.

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

Raise the past plus that Innocuous Rat in a sac deck is sweet. Manifesting dread filling a 2 drop into the graveyard alongside your rat is just awesome value.

[@derekcline950]

Sylvan Scavenging is very good against wraths, not weak. It makes any creature into a wincon, so you don't have to play a bunch of things to pressure your opponent. A single one drop creature you play will grow before creating a massive board.

[@Cthuski]

Triggering on end step is also good v wraths since if you can avoid overcommiting to the board you just play another threat after a wrath and the card is live again

[@capeciucc5268]

A new player: "What is Magic Foundation?" His pro friend: "a new set that will stay in strandard for many years... abbandoned in a dark corner for many years"

[@ericlizama8552]

I’m excited for an uncommon in the set, [[Seeker’s Folly]]. {2}{B} Sorcery “Choose one - - Target opponent discards 2 cards. -creatures your opponents control get -1/-1 until end of turn.”

[@BREAKERisDEAD]

Ferocification is the best most slept on haste enabler.

[@pketr5]

Soulstone Sanctuary + Agatha's soul cauldron + exiled new Kellan would be funny. You can activate the 1st ability as much as you want.

[@KoshoShinogi]

I'm excited to see what I can get up to with Genesis Wave. So much potential for insta-kills or unbeatable board states. The question will be how quickly can you ramp up to a good amount for X.

[@SpoonHurler]

Boltwave and Secret Lair Storm are going to end the few friendship I have left

[@richardalan5064]

Main reason I like damnation is that I can beseech into it, but I suppose I still could and pay the one black if the scenario is right

[@dontbleedthadalo]

Commander foundations has been turning out to be pretty cool. This was a commander set, right? /s

[@ConManAU]

Drake Hatcher sounds like a grizzled detective who drinks too much and monologues about the femme fatale who just walked into his office.

[@NotQuiteAllHere]

I think one thing that might be worth it in an elf deck is to go Golgari for Tyvar the Bellicose and maybe Glissa too.

[@lesternomo6578]

Soul stone sanctuary also has a mode of flash creature where you activate on end step and have your mana up for the next turn, seems like it would maybe get a buff in counterspell decks?

[@KoshoShinogi]

You could also blink it with something like Soul Partition or Eternal Wanderer if you ever wanted to reset it.

[@kylejohnson4662]

Sylvan Scavenging seems actually good against Sunfall. If they wrath, you just play out one 4 power creature and you get a 3/3 to go with it. If they use one-for-one to kill the 4 power creature, then you’re left with a 3/3. But if they wrath again, they the wrath was a one-for-one, which is not what you want from your wrath.

[@danielklein5829]

Control decks run you out of threats. Sure you could topdeck your way out, but if they wrath you're cooked. You need to have a threat in hand which sticks on the battlefield. It also sucks vs just spot removal, this card does nothing if I just go for the throat everything.

[@kylejohnson4662]

@ when playing an aggro deck against a control deck, the proper way to play is threat pacing. Especially if you playing a stompy deck. Running out three or four big meatballs against a wrath deck is always bad play pattern. If you’re all about single target removal, then the scavenging is just bad, in which case I wouldn’t side in the third copy, and probably just side out the main deck copies.

[@MHWorldManWithFish]

You don't even need a new creature. If you have a big enough Urabrask's Forge, you can get the raccoon before the token sacs. And adding red to your raccoon deck for Urabrask's Forge only gives you access to even more raccoons.

[@kylejohnson4662]

@ that is a really good idea. Maybe a Naya token build with forge and scavenging for repeatable threats and the talent for new cards. Seems like a spicy brew.

[@gecko0]

very thrilled about the idea of getting multiple Deep Cavern Bats cut down only to revive all of them with Raise the Past and steal an opponent's entire hand after theyve used all the removal

[@dee-wreck]

Genesis Wave is legitimately one of the most fun cards to cast in Commander.

[@foderis8777]

Awh so thousand year storm isn't a reference to the Thousand Sons

[@dcrow9650]

Actually, is a reference to the Storm Heralds

[@hocuspotus9755]

TSons would definitely be trying to storm off

[@TheSpunYarn]

the beauty of art is that it's all up to interpretation

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Blasphemous Edict is the new black staple board wipe... indestructible keeps getting power crept and its super sad but at least black just got another tool to try to catch up to white cuz white is still infinitely stronger

[@Vael221]

I could see abyssal harvester have potential in demons midrange deck. We even have the demon tutor so some shenanigans involving Valgavoth could be on the table

[@1Shayz1]

I really hope we get a LTM on arena for Foundations constructed I hate limited formats, but I would love to build decks and play matches with just cards from this set

[@brendans1983]

4:37 the Planar Chaos version of Damnation has that dirty looking textbox, i remember getting my first one in the mail and thinking it was HP 😂

[@williammarcuse6095]

Take a shot every time Seth says sunfall

[@JustDan_777]

Thing to note blasphemous edict gets around indestructible so it's much better if someone is playing Voltron

[@MidgarMerc]

Boltwave is gonna be a great inclusion in Storm (the Xmen) decks

[@lukaspecson6095]

Man I just want to discard 2 Wilt-Leaf Lieges to someone's bandits talent that's going to be so incredible

[@braxtonpatyk]

Standard Horizons is looking interesting

[@leonfriedemann9151]

Abysal harvester feels like a very fun card to me... And good in standard not to sure, but we stil have soul couldron ... In commander great gravehate works with hazel and its brewmaster.. Or the discard chainer to play it with haste and discard a big dude to direct reanimate it seems pretty good ... In standard maybe as another copy of the blue crime spell. .. But possibly to much worse since it only hits the creatures not the breaches😊

[@derpyderperson2912]

Happy Halloween Seth!

[@mstSean]

For how much they are pushing elves i wish they would add glint leaf palace and beaters like wrens run ambusher.

[@evancurhan4121]

I so badly want Zimone to make Millenium Calendar a thing

[@Atmapalazzo]

I wish I had your optimism for burn in modern.

[@jacobbrj]

Nee zomone +march of the machine like cards and plainswalkers to double loyalty counters. Or zimone with the newest oko or kaito (already creatures)

[@matthewjecelin8358]

So what you're saying is that Sunfall needs to be banned? It just wrecks any deck that relies on a board

[@nxsRaven]

For Izzet Prowess, I have been playing Bria, Riptide Rogue! Pretty fun for storm and prowess. Although, I don't know if she is on Arena, been a while since I played there.

[@felizpanda]

She is, though she's not in packs so most people won't see her unless they're specifically looking to craft the card.

[@xenowarrior_gd6912]

There are actually 6 elf lords, including adaptive automaton.

[@lascaossos]

ah finally i'm going to put those hollow ones to good use with flamewake phoenix

[@danhan121]

Tergrid commander deck has found a new card (blasphemous edict)

[@SirOmnay]

How does Tergrid interact with Blasphemous Edict if you have less than 13 creatures?

[@vulcanh254]

14:05 Could this be the first ever playable Zimone? Her cards are always terrible lol (at least in standard) but this one intrigues me.

[@alexandermeyer7258]

Screw the current mono red valiant style deck, GOBLINS ARE BACK BABY!

[@zirilan3398]

Krenko could actually push Goblins into beeing actual playable in Pioneer with Snoop as Krenko just missed out on Pioneer by 1 year, beeing M13 as his last Standard print

[@ThrasherEscapes]

audio on the past few spoiler videos has been pretty quiet compared to other content, even other goldfish vids - for example, every other yt video i watch, i can comfortably have windows volume set to 20-24, but to get similar db from these videos, i have to put it to *at least* 40. kinda weird. of course, i make the adjustment and happily watch the video regardless - just thought i'd point it out in case there were some sound balance issues in editing. if it's a conscious choice - please ignore me lol.

[@ara9422]

Good golly I would love boros or mono red burn to be a thing!

[@NickDodenhoff]

Reminder that "tribal" is now "kindred"

[@CouchtrollPodcastDS]

Foundation is doing great flavor text

[@samsprague3158]

I made an audible moan of pleasure when Seth got to Boltwave. My Virtue of Courage decks are about to get SPICY

[@zirilan3398]

24:25 and the nostalgic part IS the problem, the last good Standardsets in several years where Bloomburrow and Duskmourn and before that the last memorable one was Dominaria in 2018 or something.

[@maaikevreugdemaker9210]

Ikoria, Zendikar Rising and Theros Beyond Death was a nice year imo

[@montefrenkel8205]

Boltwave going into tai wakeen

[@Erictraiven]

Abyssal harvester reanimate valgavoth on turn 3 with 1 drop elf

[@GrouthN]

ow no... Auth of the Consuls is such a broken control card, to be in Standard forever will be a pain.

[@williamwalton9154]

Evil Control noises 😆

[@Orcasgt22]

If they put Ephemerate into standard, you can manifest dread/cloak Thousand Year Storm and Omniscience, And if you can't win the game with those two on the field...well, you built a crap deck :p

[@jessejohnson3469]

Blasphemous Edict is exactly what I wanted for my Tegrid brawl deck

[@gabrote42]

7:56 Wow. This is much better than mutavault in all respects except it dies to Fell.

[@CommanderGinyu]

Except mutavault is one mana and this is four you genius lol

[@gabrote42]

@CommanderGinyu Idk about you but paying 1 mana (actually 2 due to not tapping for mana) 3-7 times is imo worse than paying 4 (actually 5) once. Especially since you can pay it after your turn, rather than having to do it pre combat.

[@jimscott772]

I really don’t like how this set feels like a normal set but yet gets its own rotation rules for some dumb reason.

[@ewoly]

llanowar elf is what's going to bring mono green back to relevancy

[@brandonenochs]

Is Seth trolling us with his pronunciation of Overlord of the Boilerbilges?

[@pedrobianchi2412]

Do you think there will ever be a UB MTG Pokémon set?

[@harvest4396]

I pray

[@amamam95]

No because game freak does not do colabs

[@bakudanashita]

I was asking myself just the other day how long it would be until we see a pikachu secret lair.

[@jakapobp.8949]

Is burn back? Please say it is back!

[@josephpayton7522]

Why is there no proliferation in this set? 😥

[@vaggelisefseviou3876]

Lava Spike deals damage to target player or planeswalker ...if that's ever relevant 😂

[@paullstoneking]

Zimone + Calendar? :D

[@alexanderhenderson5583]

I think it is still to slow. I play a mono red calendar deck in standard, but All Will Be One is the real finisher. Games never end with 1000 counters on a calendar. Even going twice as fast, I think there are better things to spend that Mana on. Of course, as a fan of Zimone (I am a fractal geometer by training, and Zimone looks a lot like my daughter), I'm still planting on building that deck. I just don't think it is going to work. :/

[@magnusbevaart2477]

Boltwave!

[@trixielulamoon2262]

Kitsa is seeing play, though. It’s way better than Drake Hatcher

[@SilverWolf340]

Bilerbiggles again!?

[@bakudanashita]

I was kinda hype for foundations and was gonna use it as the first set I'd try to fully collect (both Arena and paper) since it was legal in standard for 5 years but, now I just don't see the point.

[@teusz16]

Boilerbiggles

[@vulcanh254]

Drake Hatcher looks bad to me. Way too slow, it reminds me of those terrible thalids that got spore counters and you needed to remove 3 spores to make a measly 1/1 saproling. Funnily enough those cards were easier to turn on because they automatically got spores on your upkeep, this has to connect 3 times. Like at that point just play a 2 drop with 3 power and you're going to deal 9 damage instead of 3-4 damage + making a 2/2. Edit: ok it puts "that many", I missed that. So if she deals 6 damage, that's 6 incubations and 2x 2/2 flyers. That's better but still gimmicky.

[@lordofseattle3927]

abyssal harvester can reanimate progenitus in response to it's shuffle trigger.

[@MrMacdaddymcfly]

No it can't because Progenitus doesn't actually go to the graveyard it gets shuffled directly into the deck instead

[@lordofseattle3927]

Ah my bad I thought progenitus was worded like the old eldarazi cards. But you are correct, dark steel collosus is worded this way too unfortunately.

[@Erictraiven]

Just reanimate valgavoth on turn 3 with 1 mana elf mana dork

[@brakalanga7667]

​​@@lordofseattle3927 It's bad in this specific case, but having 2 different creatures with the Nexus of Fate replacement effect in Standard is actually an incredibly useful and much needed safety measure against mill, especially Azorius control with Jace as a wincon. And Darksteel Colossus in particular is colorless, which means every archetype can have access to this kind of interaction. From this point of view, the replacement effect is orders of magnitude better compared to a triggered ability. It (usually) doesn't work against the new Dimir version with the demon, though - something to keep in mind. Btw, fun fact: if you REALLY REALLY want to reanimate them, just manifest them or cloak them, then destroy or sacrifice them. Works with Nexus of Fate as well.

[@theonewingedangel8680]

It can reanimate the shuffle titans though, those aren’t a replacement effect.

[@adamtobiasz8793]

No matter what cards are in, I will not be fooled by Wizards in spending my money on this set.😅

[@nathanielleon4163]

The depressing reality of "Look at all of these cool creature strategies they're introducing... Too bad they all die to Sunfall." I know control is part of "The triangle" or whatever, but sweepers really do seem like the enemies of fun. Like back when we had Guilds of Ravnica standard and go wide was a playable strategy, then as soon as Allegiance came out and added a couple sweepers deck diversity collapsed in on itself. Allegiance was still fun, but it forced out a lot of other fun ways to play too. And with the expanding card pool in Standard, it just increases the number of irrelevant cards, because it only takes a couple of sweepers existing to beef up control enough to make token or go wide strategies pretty useless unless they're pretty cracked. Like Caretaker's Talent makes tokens more playable, but really only by reducing the associated sunk cost when you get hit by sunfall. Unfortunately, limited exists (limited is great), which means including the occasional sweeper there is necessary to keep limited environments fun, so they get a little overprinted. I dunno. Maybe it's not a fixable problem, but it seems silly to prioritize a style of play that tries to prevent things from happening on the board over one that commits a lot to the board and creates interesting board states.

[@CriticalFeline]

as a control player, i think it's mostly just Sunfall specifically that's a little bit too good, between being hard too protect from because of exile, and the Incubate token serving as a win-con on its own half the time

[@zirilan3398]

@@CriticalFeline agree, as the exil also makes recovery-cards like Raise the Past semi-pointless unless you combo with it

[@braedenwinstead1984]

You should make a forgefire automation deck :)

[@whenwhere6173]

I cant be the only one getting tired of seeing zimone and kellen everywhere

[@felizpanda]

Kellen I could see but Zimone? She was in the last set, sure but before that what? She had a team-up card in March of the Machine the set with all the legends over a year ago? And then Strixhaven was her first appearance years before?

[@kgreen]

That hurts

[@Thymesicle]

helo think Im first

[@JusticeJudge]

You are, congrats!

[@copypaste3035]

I think I'm first to answer to your first comment.

[@6000pounds]

Do you talk like this on purpose? Or is it natural?

[@CyberNewType]

By your own logic, why even get excited about Raise the Past? The creatures are gonna just die to Sunfall after all right???🙄

[@pmangano]

Look at all these sweet things that won't matter since the meta is stupidly bloated with creature removal and board clearers

[@muneerkhan6526]

4th!

[@danieldragotti2608]

Ah standard horizon keeps delivering

[@anthonymentalewicz5143]

Im paused at the moment, and considering turning this video off... I'm going to finish but I cant stand commander... Designed for commander, snooze. After Nadu anytime I see a card like this i just lose hope...

[@Orcasgt22]

Abyslly Harvester and Lily of The Veil. Discard Valgamoth. Tap. Win the game