How Will You Win If I Counter All Your Spells? | $80 Budget Magic

[@beanofknowledge2125]

Crim looks a bit different today... Must be a new shirt or something

[@fakename3168]

This is fallout from losing the Seth v Crim early access showdown

[@Dsmky117]

Seth is on his villain arc

[@AutkastKain]

As it should

[@Finicky9]

He put the wrong flesh suit on

[@davidhansen5067]

I'm starting to believe Crim about having the best beard in Magic, though...

[@samsprague3158]

“Boilerbiggles” is gonna live rent free in my head for a long time

[@helghallen]

This is absolutely my favorite mispronounciation.

[@chrishoye55]

Just like bugler rat, and ejano

[@MetalHev]

This boils my biggles

[@mal3k1th]

I love how they added the huge bow on reach creatures and we still don't see it lmao

[@MTGGoldfish]

Lol, yeah, that was brutal. I sort of wish they left the arrow on all the time rather than just during your turn.

[@Noah_eotlr]

​@@MTGGoldfishthat should be an accessibility option, lol

[@Oxygen1004]

@@Noah_eotlr Agreed. I understand why they have it (I've seen opponents swing into reach creatures when it bugged out a few times), but it's just visual clutter for me and I wish I could toggle it.

[@DanzayDK]

I'm the guy at 15:00, really loved to finally play against you saffron!

[@MTGGoldfish]

Good game!

[@lol-hy4mk]

You can drop the fake beard Crim, we know it's you

[@fiskertonfero106]

he was even pronouncing cards correctly. obviously not seth

[@MatthiasWinter-hq6in]

It is surely not Seth. He uses more than 2 standard lands

[@Atmapalazzo]

Can't be Crim. A Malcolm in the Middle reference is too millennial for Crim.

[@Logan-lz5gu]

​@Atmapalazzo I'm gen z and loved that show. It used to air on nick at night in the early 2000s.

[@Atmapalazzo]

@@Logan-lz5gu color me surprised. I thought it aired in the mid 90s

[@GoblinKoboldGaming]

At 25:10 personally I would've kept playing because that's what Flow of Knowledge is for: to recover those kinds of situations with an instant reload, but I understand your choice too.

[@Drezha3]

My thoughts exactly. One flow and that whole game just gets flipped on its head

[@Metallicity]

I'd have at least waited another turn or two to see if they drew another threat. A 3/3 is a 7 turn clock, and even with the creature land in hand it'd be pretty slow.

[@aarondeifel6357]

​@Metallicity also idk if I'm missing something, but wouldn't bouncing the dork be better? Would've needed to re-add the counters

[@TheDylls]

I was gonna use almost the same time stamp to say: This deck isn't winning by countering threats, it's winning by protecting threats. That's a subtle but significant difference

[@Noah_eotlr]

Here to make the extreme play to your outs comment: not dead on board at 53:43. Flash in floodpits drowner in response to the Harvester targeting, tap down valgavoth saccing mastermind and both curiosities. Maybe trade in combat and draw into a solution with flow. Very tough match!

[@JacoDeltaco]

I was looking for that comment kudo

[@m3m04y]

I think Seth needs to take his frustration from his last encounter with Crim on MTGA out on other people 😂

[@dogninja8]

Teaching arena zoomers the healthy way to handle losing

[@LadyMapi]

I mean, the reason why mass Curiosity effects are mostly a Commander thing is that they're mostly just enchantments that take your whole turn to set-up. Turns out that stapling that effect to a 4/3 flash for 2UU that takes two removal spells to kill makes it way more playable!

[@NiddlesMTG]

Im just here for the boilerbiggles.

[@Buchaus]

27:21 It's funny that even though Arena put a giant bow and arrow on creatures with Reach during your opponents turn, people still swing with fliers without realizing it 😅

[@poiri]

Unless you often play limited that reach indicator appears so rarely that I don’t blame Seth for missing it

[@MTGGoldfish]

People = me, lol.

[@jrjamesson]

@@poiri he did read the entire text of the card out loud prior to that point, however

[@deutscher1a]

@@poiri if something is rare, youre more likely to see it... Also: What do you need to see it? A blinking warning sign across the screen?

[@darthmortem993]

people go on about how zur has synergy with all the overlords i think theyre missing the potential synergy it has with the enduring enchantments because zur can keep turning them back into creatures. Card draw is good but the black one that makes them lose life for life you gain is busted when zur gives all your stuff lifelink. i'm really excited to make an esper zur enchantment deck and the performance of enduring curiosity makes me more pumped to try this :) I hope you make a standard zur deck in the future your builds are always so much fun to watch

[@amarauk9687]

The "perpetual" glimmers you mentioned is the reason of the price spike of "new" zur

[@Finicky9]

Discard player meets a draw go player: nothing happens

[@NeoSamurai13]

Game 2 vs Gruul felt like a trademark Seth Early Scoop. You had over 6 turns to draw something, and Flow of Knowledge could completely turn the game around for you

[@adamcoy3318]

Seth is really bad for his early scoops.

[@KCGregor]

I made a SETH VIDEO!!!! ❤❤❤ Fun Match honor to get beat by you!!! haha

[@KCGregor]

I had 2 Faithfuls is why I ran out the one early, also wanted to get one in ahead of counters if you were on them…..You def were I found out!!! lol Bell is for delirium and allows a lower land count.

[@kylegonewild]

@@KCGregor Cute idea with the bell, and not needing to tap to sac it is nice.

[@ave_maria323]

Nice

[@Darkflamecrusader]

35:50 Okay, but you still should have waited for your opponent to activate Lilliana before cloning your creature.

[@mateuszbok4466]

Ah, the Valgavoth's infamous pet, Mr. Bolier-bigglesworth

[@tylerurbanski3010]

Boilerbiggles never stood a chance.

[@UEENavy]

Seth misses the reach on the cactus when there is a giant crossbow over cards with reach now so you literally cannot miss it anymore lol.

[@OnePointSafety]

49:37 You should have bounced the Valgavoth's faithful. They would not have had enough mana to activate it. If they replay it they have to chump and if draw a floodpit drowner or into the floodmaw you can bounce the atlanak on their turn

[@MTGGoldfish]

Ohh, good call.

[@jamespatterson5644]

also, shuffle it. pay the ward by saccing the Curiosities. painful, but better than letting him keep it.

[@tasede]

Ive been watching your videos for like 4 months and i finnaly understand now that your saying SaffronOlive. I could never understand what you were saying. "Bettter know as Seth Freth dolin"

[@omidthebigbearsalari]

Used to think either he or I was having a stroke everytime

[@SilverAlex92]

"I dont know how that little forg is dealing with Tyranosaurus, but we're not gonna ask too many questions, we're just gonna win"... I LOVE your commentary Seth, I always end up laughing xD

[@T.Made.It.95]

I’m super happy that you’re playing a “Tempo/Control” style deck, I know you don’t typically like playing these archetypes for content but as someone who enjoys this archetype it’s nice to have someone alongside Crim playing blue too!

[@jyrinx]

Man, the more games I see against Valgavoth the more I appreciate the design. It is a _scary_ card, and yet it's beatable, and the times you manage to beat it are so sweet

[@Klingles]

I love that Seth is surprised with why a cactus with a machine gun bow has reach 😂 ever been skeet shooting?

[@polymphus]

Unable to Scream on Valgavoth feels weirdly appropriate - this little moth dolly holding inside it the souls of its victims, a young Marina Vendrell carrying it around at night at the shadows lengthen.

[@bensteinhauser784]

1:12:01 Dw about it Seth, everything aside from flash, flying, and draw a card is flavor text.

[@skell_jams]

loving fear of imposters and unwanted remake in pioneer for containment priest cheese 😅

[@MysterMystical]

Maybe for the graveyard matches you should put in the Ghost Vacuum

[@swampybwoy]

The saffron olive drinking game: Seth mispronounces a card - take a drink Seth says “maybe this deck is actually good?” - take a drink Seth says the word “opponent” - take a drink Add your own suggestions 😂

[@doormatt72]

I’m super excited to try this one. Might put a couple vacuums in the board though. That valgavoth win was impressive, but I’m not sure I feel confident it would be easy to replicate. Lol

[@nym053]

That's interesting, I actually like this deck. Never thought I'd say that about mono blue, but I guess that's because it's tempo and not control, and that it still has a more active beatdown plan to win the game.

[@Klingles]

Seeing control get a taste of their own medicine was what I needed to see today 😂

[@lelandbatey]

Love the change in hair color Crim!

[@Atmapalazzo]

Cactusfolk Sureshot has reach because it has a fricken GATLING CROSSBOW. It's called a sureshot for a reason.

[@avoidwhitetiles]

1:08:00 is actually insane 😮😮😮

[@MrJo3kr]

Incredible! What does a non budget version of this look like? Overlord of the flood? Splash black?

[@syrelian]

In that last turn of game 1 v Valgavoth's Faithful turbo, you could have flashed in the Drowner, sacced the Faerie, and either both Curiosities or one and the Drowner to stun Valgavoth and bought yourself time

[@12triproberts]

Seth: "I can't believe I'm playing Filter Out in the sideboard. There are so many enchantments in Standard." Me: "SHIELA! SHEILA! COME LOOK! Wotc remembered how to make sideboard cards!"

[@TheRealPerkins]

I would hate playing any against the odds decks, but I love watching them!

[@homebrewed]

"DIrty dirty Crim magic" when I tell you the Sprite I was drinking rocketed from my nose when I laughed from that...

[@DonovanPresents]

27:27 you literally read the card in the last match that it had reach 😂

[@derekcline950]

To be fair, I'm 99% sure that they edit the order of the games to make sure that the first game is exciting and/or showcases the deck. I swear he's started game 1 with "we're playing x again" in past videos, though he usually has a generic intro at the start of every match so that it is hard to tell

[@MetalHev]

Monoblue is actually super good, we even have good removal with 1 mana frogify and 2 mana frogify with flash. Plus arguably the best board wipe in rotation with Season of Weaving.

[@leewright492]

Just wondering if there was a way to add in the amount of rares ect to these deck techs (I appreciate you mention how many in this video). For other videos it helps to see what it would “cost” in Arena

[@megapixzel]

Seth proving that no matter how legible they make it. Someone will always get got by sneaky reach

[@AtrociousNightmare]

EPIC win vs that Valgavoth deck!

[@egg5802]

"why does the cactus have reach?" he has a crossbow! he's basically an honorary archer.

[@dinozaccagna8730]

Boilerbiggles is the mispro I am most supportive of because I genuinely thought the name was lame the first time I saw it.

[@marginis]

I played against a simic deck with this theme today in historic. It was busted against my taplands-only-and-only-one-spell-a-turn deck. Ran into it again on an azorius control pile a few games later. They scooped after I used a Test of Talents on their uncounterable counterspell just to get a look at their hand. Control with a wincon just doesn't hold up to winconless control it seems.

[@danielsniff6405]

I think long rivers pull is a pretty solid counter spell. Probably better than get out, or whatever that creature/enchantment counter is.

[@smore8566]

12:11 "That is a big ass-wow"

[@raoultijssens4699]

Wow what a win !! Beautiful, man !!

[@michaelburchill8181]

Why does it have reach? He asks as the cactus man is shouldering a huge ranged weapon

[@PatrickMurphy-sg5fn]

Ive been playing a Azorius flash deck. Absolutely loving it.

[@TheDylls]

My biggest tip to "up the gameplay level" of any new(ish) Magic player is always: Learn to play your cards at the last possible moment. If you have haste creatures, that's your first main phase. If you have flash creatures, it's your opponent's end step

[@whoopsmymeds]

would love a non-budget version of this deck!

[@TheDamianMichaels]

It's not the same thing but I've been enjoying Esper Flash in Historic. Bowmasters, Slitherwhisp, Spell Queller, Wandering Emperor, Leyline Binding, etc all work pretty well together

[@lesternomo6578]

Been playing a couple similar shells to KCGregor, i've found playing red for pyroclasm to be very good and also having demand answers style discard outlets is very good. Being able to say its name/overlord of the balemurk back your reanimation spells is a bit cracked. You end up reanimating like 5 atraxas/valgavoths a game if you have to

[@JacoDeltaco]

I hope you have to play agains that deck a lot. I want to see you go ; well well well if its not the consequence of my action at less it does win kinda fast for a control deck

[@starmanda88]

Boiler…biggles? That’s amazing even for you Seth 😂😂

[@HexproofAnarchist]

My arena has been glitching like that recently as well. I also had a weird glitch when casting adventure spells where I'm unable to select the spell mode or cancel the spell cast, then after the timer runs out, the spell disappears into oblivion.

[@azuraflame1]

Love when you play control especially mono blue. you def don't play it enough.

[@stonerainproductions]

I'm glad to see you playing control Seth.

[@MTGGoldfish]

I did it for you Stone Rain :)

[@stonerainproductions]

@@MTGGoldfish You are far too kind my friend. I hope you have a great rest of your day.

[@AutkastKain]

Learning this deck might involve using flashcards

[@OGNoNameNobody]

This can get even MORE budget friendly if you lose some of the rare spells(lookin' at you, *3 Steps* ...)

[@DollarsignSam]

infuriated that seth forgot he could counter the valgavoths faithful with impostors

[@shippa1234]

"why does he have reach!?" Seth.. he has a gun... lol he can reach

[@superspen97]

Uncommon creature lands would be great for budget mono color decks. Faerie conclave!

[@definitelynotjohn8345]

maybe instead of filter out run defabricate in the side board? it can hit those pesky triggered/activated abillities.

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, I was thinking Filter Out would be good against the Caretaker's Talent token decks, but i never brought it in.

[@ranmuke]

Wow. Nice new beard Crim.

[@luizaugustopaivabatista3468]

Since it is very unusual to trigger Malcon's ability, wouldn't the hexproof bird be a better option?

[@JacoDeltaco]

18:35 what is going on with the top of the screen? 19:33 Seth mention that he as no clue

[@ave_maria323]

Cactus sure shot is pretty good in big stompy.

[@louisnemzer6801]

"Who's three steps ahead now?" 😅

[@MrMacdaddymcfly]

I love how Seth kinda shit talks the bell then goes to not draw lands on multiple key turns xD

[@RIHTZ]

maybe some Tidebinders for the golgari reanimate matchup?

[@jordancaldwell2208]

Watching this makes me wonder if we've actually gotten to the point in the game where creatures are so central to EVERY strategy now that essence scatter is actually maindeckable. Obviously Get Out does more than that but with creatures being so much stronger on average and spells being weaker is it just good to play if you can cast it in your deck?

[@juicyjugo6187]

I can imagine queing up against you and thinking “oh sweet! Seth always plays really unique and fun decks I wonder how this will go” and then playing against just the most annoying thing ever 😅

[@tranquilwyvern]

Surprised that there's no Brineborne Cutthroat, guess it's difficult to swing in without flying?

[@StevenLong]

Though I hate decks like this, I do appreciate that you're not just using 1/1 flying faeries ftw

[@DrAngryMongoose]

1:12:08 I'm actually yelling at my phone "not the land not the land"

[@bgcomputernerd]

I'm surprised you didn't use Eluge!

[@reaperfoursixfiveoh9329]

How does seth still miss the huge reach cue?

[@theblakwarior]

Never did I want a deck to just not work out as much as this time, lol.

[@Karl_Smink]

Coastal Piracy, with flash, on a stick, that also "doesn't die to doom blade" Card is good. Who'da thunk?

[@RasmusVJS]

Are there any non-Budget reasons we aren't playing a full play set of Three Steps Ahead?

[@jojvote1812]

Decks like this are why we have a concede button

[@kami4242]

Would having a few Demolition Fields in this deck to deal with Cavern of Souls be a good idea? Or does that clash too much with Flow of Knowledge?

[@MTGGoldfish]

Yeah, probably worth it, especially since we can turn them into Islands later when we need them.

[@fredt1983]

How long did this take Seth? It would get run over by *every* aggro deck currently, so finding matches against all these slower decks seems a bit sus, heh :p

[@MTGGoldfish]

It was just the first five matches we played. The untapped.gg stats are at the end of the video. Are you playing best of three or best of one? I wouldn't try this in best of one, there's way too much aggro there.

[@Fearfulocean]

Side boarding the card that negates activated abilities might help in game 2

[@akerasi]

serious suggestion: drop Flow of Knowledge for more counters (Three Steps Ahead to 4, Fear of Imposters to 3?)

[@matthewwalker8581]

I was just thinking yesterday i should see if mono blue was anygood right now

[@sjaedn]

If this becomes a deck I have to play against on a regular basis, I will hate you forever

[@jniteshade5352]

Seth hates crim decks that counter everything and don't let you resolve spells. Also Seth, loves blood moon and hard locking opponent out of playing magic at all.

[@Kurgan_UK]

Heist decks make me salty. I'd like to heist my own deck every turn and play the card for colourless manar. being countered seems pretty tame in comparison 🙂

[@hydra66]

play, counterplay is far more interesting than dump stuff on the board as fast as possible

[@zorbratron]

Probanly ahpuld jave a hhost vacum, they are awesome.

[@BuckysKnifeFlip]

Crims got a nice beard in this video.

[@TheyCallMeDio]

My like button also has flash I came here as fast as I could

[@drinkwater9264]

Could this deck be played azorius with errant and giada, aven interupter and no more lies ya reckon? Also would demo fields be good if one wss gonna stay monocoloured?

[@hallowedmist4289]

I don't think errant and giada is super competitive but it could be fun as a one or two of. You'd only be able to cast your creatures off the top is the problem if it were the other way and you were able to cast instants off the top I think it would be way better and I love future sight effects but in general being able to see what's on top is often doesn't really help your win percentage. You also have to be careful about how many soft counters you add to the deck since they quickly become dead cards late game so I would probably split the no more lies and phantom interferences like 3-3 or 4-2 something like that. I think the biggest upgrade of adding white is having access to get lost and sweepers in the sideboard for aggro but the deck quickly no longer becomes budget when you do with those plus the dual lands.