No Wraths, No Counterspells | Commander Clash S15 E27

[@kurowasanabe]

It's like Phil could smell that he could play uninterrupted value and he barged into the lobby.

[@victorperron8092]

Tomer's still tied up in Phil's basement from his trip to Germany

[@mikeconnors9287]

@@victorperron8092 But what will happen to his plants?

[@daithomas1430]

​@mikeconnors9287 they're what Phil used to tie Tomer up, don't worry, he's still looking after the plants, he's not a monster

[@Princeofseance]

​@@victorperron8092I'll write the fanfic

[@Birchie84]

LoL the running track in my head is "Get outta my lobby Tomer this is my game" (I know Tomer couldn't be here this week and hope they do this again with him in the group.) But Phil was having a blast and I'm always here for that!

[@vsp5251]

Crim finally getting it just to immediately punt it away is so damn funny

[@bulbasaurappreciator]

Too bad he didn't have protection from himself. 😔

[@alaraplatt8104]

props to the editor, it can NOT be easy to distinguish between crim not being able to play a card and crim not figuring out how to play a card

[@1ryb360]

Crim bringing a literal battle-cruiser deck is actually hilarious and peak Crim

[@TMidander]

Battlecruiser Operational!

[@chadcharest9891]

He has a brand. He knows what he's doing.

[@Shimatzu95]

For once he actually did kinda follow the rules.

[@RLKC8]

@@Shimatzu95lol he follows the singular rule and people still only give him a kinda

[@Shimatzu95]

@@RLKC8 As weird as it is i dont know if battles are battlecruiser magic, not due to powerlevel but just from a style perspective. If anything Richard bringing pro creatures was probably more of a rulebend.

[@TargetPractice792]

Phil's Goofy smile as Seth is just popping off like "I don't care it's not me, I LOVE SEEING VALUE"

[@kamon1992]

Watching the play group slowly tech against the Fog meta has been my favorite story arch in a long time, hahaha.

[@shadowfox513]

Crim's Battle-cruiser deck is literally everything i love about magic the gathering. Just the dumbest, jankiest stuff and I'm here for it

[@henrye3935]

I'm 14 minutes in. Crim has made the same joke over and over for 14 minutes. Even Seth is like "we might have to kill Crim to end the bit." Please, Seth. PLEASE.

[@gibbysg8143]

And despite playing dumb jank he got super targeted for some reason whenever there’s simic landfall on the board. The threat assessment in this game was really weird

[@Surge247]

But no Treasure Cruise. That's a flavor fail

[@Psyman2]

Phil's voice needs to be declared an illegal weapon of mass Seduction by the Geneva Convention.

[@tyguy77777]

I wish I could feel the same joy in life that Crim felt over playing a boat

[@colecarmichael5724]

Honestly best episode in awhile. Everyone is scary, short episode, and nobody politicking that they aren’t the threat (except crim but that’s par for the course

[@tianruixiao9239]

Crim got the assignment :D It was pretty nice to see everyone be able to build big boards once in a while. Also I'm itching for chaos week, hopefully that comes back soon!

[@Garl_Vinland]

Richard having a Platinum angel in hand and never playing it in a game with no wraths, while he has a Hexproof dome over everything…

[@jamespowelljr4636]

I was thinking that the whole time

[@Garl_Vinland]

@@jamespowelljr4636 He wanted that Brisela so bad.

[@whaleofdarkness]

Didn't he draw the hexproof card with Shalai after Return of the Wildspeaker with not enough mana to cast both? Sigarda gives just humans hexproof.

[@victormilan9611]

bro frl, his like how i dont die to the board....platinum angel in hand *proceeds to draw 5 cards*

[@thatepicwizardguy]

lol yup real bad

[@camerongrey3643]

32:15 Crim indeed should have been able to cast using convoke, even from under hostage taker. Nice line to cast the spell under hostage taker and also blink it with kitty

[@tmain1320]

Crim has played mtgo more then 99% of people on this planet. It amazes me he still goofs like this 53:35 💀💀

[@alaraplatt8104]

u could probably make that 99.9%

[@teafordaniel809]

Always love seeing sea monster tribal!

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

It's super fun!

[@marsrocks247]

Without having seen this yet, dropping a turn 2 Scute Swarm off a dork = GG with no wraths, what an interesting game this will be.

[@defro125]

Massacre Wurm is technically not a traditional wrath and would probably kill the Scute Swarm player.

[@Kestral287]

It just gets killed on like turn 3 or 4 and you get a few bugs?

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

Revenge of Ravens reads "Whenever a creature attacks you or a planeswalker you control, that creature's controller loses 1 life and you gain 1 life". Scute Swarm literally cannot deal damage in the face of that.

[@RollingCalf]

I don't play counters. I don't like mass bounce either. For scute swarm, you have a few enchantments to take its abilities. Or take control of it.

[@SuenteusPi]

Aether Snap on "no counters" week is A+ flavor

[@74jtoon]

50:36 to 50:45 is probably the funniest thing on ever so far on this channel, but then the fall from grace with the punt. Amazing

[@MagicalHackerMTG]

It would be cool to see each person build a deck that as cohesiveness as possible represents the most central part of their building psyche. Seth on panharmonicon, Phil on battlecruiser, Crim on control, etc.

[@davidhansen5067]

Won't get a chance to watch until this afternoon, but oh boy, it's good to see Phil back in an episode!

[@Cheerwine091]

Crim technically brought a pseudo-wrath in Consuming Tide, but other than that, his deck is the best one here at following the assignment. 22 god damn battles… the mad man!

[@WikiED]

I love Crim's approach to the theme

[@Kryptnyt]

Instructions: Battlecruiser Magic What I'd do: Bring Ox tribal, claim that I was told this was Cattlebruiser Magic Week

[@JoshRudis]

On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" the Fun Police have exited the building. Will Richard finally have to play spot removal or will Phil just sail all the way to value town on the wrath-proof express? Tune-in to find out!

[@colbybastian17]

"How can people play like this?!" By being the bigger threat!

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

I love how excited Phil got from Seth “living the dream” with the value engine of sea creatures haha.

[@rbretvidal]

Richard's angel of sanctions not being pointed at anything simic was... something

[@winssports4830]

That punt by Crim will live in hilarity in goldfish history.

[@marcuspainter4854]

Crim playing literal battle cruiser is peak content

[@alexandrelima2766]

Crim casually throwing the game

[@Hatneas]

Woah a sponsor on the commander clash episode? They're really making it now.

[@briancrook9055]

A lot of times I find Crim's shenanigans irritating, but this time it was hilarious. Good one, Crim.

[@radicalkev]

that questing beast was so clutch

[@Curt-ze6hl]

Freakin' Crim 😂 jeez. Phil is the hero we needed for calling out the Invasion of Fiora.

[@marsrocks247]

Crim plays all battles and cards with boats I am dead

[@Nathanael_Forlorn]

I love crim's interpretation of battle-crew-ser! And I'm glad we didn't see any technically-not-a-wrath! If it's no wrath, then don't go there.

[@loganshy2570]

I love how phil keeps asking for a board wipe 😂

[@scottpearson9846]

if you are looking for a mode like that, do the "armies". you get mono or duo colors. you are allowed 3 cards instant/sorcery (unless they fit into your tribe) you get 2 enchantments (tribal rules matter again) 5 artifacts max (including lands) basically you get a bunch of creatures and the lands start to matter

[@Birchie84]

Battle cruiser, high power and cEDH is all I play these days (3 different playgroups). This should be the power level rating, none of this I've got a power level 7 deck crap. Loved the game hope you all play more of this in the future!

[@Crunchatize_Me_Senpai]

I definitely think spot removal shouldn’t have been allowed either. That Beast Within didn’t feel very battlecruiser-y. Battlecruiser is “don’t interact with my stuff, period.” Not just anti counters and wraths. Still enjoyed the episode though. Crim’s “battle(s) (and) cruiser(s)” deck was funny af.

[@Dragon_Fyre]

I have always thought of Battlecruiser as control decks that play OP high cost cards as win cons and simply deny play with counterspells and board wipes until they can get to those broken balance cards.

[@kingfuzzy2]

I've always thought that battle cruiser was what my brother plays vanilla 13 Mana creatures dot dec and ramp

[@person3176]

richard making a manland to block instead of using beast within on seths attacker was a legal play, but i'm not sure if it was the best play xD

[@ronald_grinder]

I don't see a theme for this week. Isn't this how they usually play?

[@quaroaquilinusbarfing9700]

What is Crim on? I need some of that talky-talky mojo :D

[@kingfuzzy2]

Boba tea and anime.

[@dopethrone191]

I know it’s for the memes today but the fact that some people actually want to play with these rules hurts my brain. Ramp is stronger than removal when will people learn

[@donb7519]

I think people know that they'd just rather lose to big dumb timmy spells than anything else. Plus less counters and wraths mean games finish faster to get more games in on your like 2 or 3 game nights a month

[@BeadyAbiter]

I was thinking the same, the games are just faster ​@@donb7519

[@BeadyAbiter]

I don't think it's a bad idea, just turbo harder and it's faster games

[@daithomas1430]

Crim is my spirit animal. He is the epitome of a chaotic spike, he tries his hardest to win, you just don't know **what** he is trying to win ;)

[@canoli62]

Crim is not allowed to pronounce ship names ever. He literally got EVERY ONE wrong :P

[@bartoffer]

While I know there are oddballs out there that just plainly hate counters (despite their being a 1-for-1 with rare exceptions), I find that the free counters are the actual issues in the whole casual-vs-sweat divide. And even then, the forces and fierces are far worse than the foils or pacts. Getting your thing Offer'd, Stubborn Denial'd, Swan Song'd, and even Mana Drained doesn't feel quite so bad, because you can at least see it coming from the open mana and weigh the plusses and minuses.

[@Alkhemia8]

for sure I don't mind counters I just don't like commander free interaction spells it like how modern was being destroyed by Grief and Fury being able to ignore the resource mechanic of this game is a real problem

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

In multiplayer, counters are fine. In 1v1s they just mean all you need to win the game is 1 power on board and a fistful of counterspells.

[@SilverMyr73]

Episode idea: you all build power level seven decks, nobody communicates what that means before hand, just build what you think of as a power level 7 and see if yall land on the same page. Since every deck ever built is a power level 7 according to random people in the wild, id like to see how all building sevens goes with a playgroup. Idk if they have done this theme before, but if so it would be cool to see again

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

that but like also do 4 and 9, covers 3 themes and would be very interesting

[@papaUrabrask]

My headcannon is Phil lightly poisoned Tomer so he could play a Commander format designed FOR Phil.

[@MakeVarahHappen]

Invasion of Fiora is a massive violation of the rules but Moat being stax? At that point what isn't stax?

[@hanschristopherson8056]

This game was so funny to watch, the banter is always so good. Also notice how when multiple players aren’t running five wraths the games don’t take three hours…

[@felixrehlander9197]

i guess a +1/+1 counter on the Mutavault would have mattered a lot in the end :D

[@CDShap]

My brother has an Aesi deck, and every time he gets Tatyova early he ends up forgetting her ability isn't a may and mills himself to death. Also, note to self: put homeward path in any deck that might go against Phil.

[@notsm]

Seth not playing Omniscience is kinda disappointing. Also I feel like Crim focused too much on having the Serra's Emissary effect on his board. He could have copied the Hostage Taker effect with the Effigy and exile the Emissary since the Effigy isn't a creature. That would make Phil a potential target again AND remove a 7/7 flier that kept punching him.

[@josephpayton7522]

Crim really is the only one who brought a proper battle deck lol. Makes up for bringing a dimir reanimation deck when he was supposed to be playing merfolk. 👍

[@SamNotForgotten]

Open the Way for X = 3 do they still not know that it says "players" and not "opponents"?

[@peterhardiman7333]

Crim understood the assignment

[@jstrobel3620]

Y’all’s definition of battle cruiser magic is wild lol- other than Crims deck, these are just like normal commander decks that you would see out and about at any game store lol

[@imaginarymatter]

No Wraths. No Counters. Only Man-a.

[@jamespowelljr4636]

Soooo Richard doesn't play platinum angel ????? I mean why ? Or am I missing something other then it could've been subject to removal ?

[@davidhansen5067]

I think he probably felt that it would be a bit of a cheap move on a week that's specifically low on interaction.

[@jamespowelljr4636]

@davidhansen5067 yea, but why have it if you are not gonna play it. I mean granted it would've died to Crims exile pirate or sef fight card.

[@davidhansen5067]

@@jamespowelljr4636 It's an established pattern that Richard sandbags his resources. He likes to do the minimum required to not lose, and win by being the only one who doesn't lose.

[@dontmisunderstand6041]

@@davidhansen5067 It's not specifically low on interaction, it's literally just counters and boardwipes, which are an extreme minority of removal.

[@ethanwebb5334]

He probably wanted to make sure it could stick. e.g. Phil was sandbagging a Blatant Thievery the whole game, which could've easily removed it. It probably would've taken general Sigarda surviving a turn cycle for Richard to be confident enough to play the Platinum Angel.

[@smilesthomas44]

Wait, I thought that if you removed the last counter from a Battle but it wasn't through damage you wouldn't cast the battle. It would just go to the graveyard or something. I thought it had to be through damage, then you could cast the back side. But I guess I was wrong.

[@moshjoshpitchief4418]

seth should have cast return of the wildspeaker for it's +3/+3 pump ability at instant speed. such a good card

[@mikov6486]

I was so excited to see my favorite card, Sigarda Font, in action on Commander Clash. I thought that it would excel in a game without any Wraths…Then it got Beasted and never showed up again…

[@Nightsorrow1]

Suprise no one did a "Hexprof" tribal.

[@Beam_on_team]

Wonder if 1 wrath, 1 counter (max), no tutors would be cool. So you KNOW you have that singular silver bullet but it's pure luck (or exSETHive card draw) to find it

[@ElDocBruh]

Before starting the video, and looking only a the thumbnail: At first I thought to myself "yep, no wraths? Richard has it right, go all hexproof!" but then it hit me: why play all those things when you can let other people play those things for you? So clones! But why stop there? Why not clones ***and*** THEFT. Yep, that's what I'd have gone with. Time to see if anyone in the crew tried that approach!

[@ElDocBruh]

Phil was kinda stealy at least! I was expecting the Return of the Wildspeaker on the last attack for the +3/+3!

[@gccstan31]

Crim saying he is the only one who undesstood the assignment is ironic af

[@oafkad]

Can't you trample over protection? Everyone made it sound like protection prevents all damage. I thought it just prevented damage up to the toughness of the creature when protection is involved?

[@donb7519]

Nope prevents all damage

[@HarbingerOfMe]

Yes, but the emissary also gives the player protection, so trampling over does nothing.

[@DarkPikachuYTV]

@@HarbingerOfMeyeah

[@terraqueo89]

23:24 so crim had machine god effigy under hostage taker and a displacer kitten. With the flipped battle, he could have cast the effigy, which woild trigger the kitten, so he could blink the battle making phil sac his angel and getting rid of double protection. Effigy could enter as hostage taker for some more stealing. Crim gets so worked up by his fear of his opponents that he loses a lot of oportunities to make sweet plays. Instead, he anxiously screams that his deck is not functional. I think the neat thing about battlecruiser magic is that your stuff tends to stay on the battlefield for longer so you are able to discover cool interactions and make this weird wonky engines that demands lots of cards to work but it's just fun to see them do their thing.

[@jozefkeresturi2139]

He tried it later. Didn't work.

[@whaleofdarkness]

Weren't sea creatures Phil's thing?

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

He was playing something else so I decided to pick up the mantle.

[@TheDoubleMinority]

Crim was literally the boy who cried wolf this game lol.

[@MartianKyo]

And yet people voted Crim as a spike. Crim just likes trolling and having fun. Sometimes it means casting an Opposition Agent other times it's playing a barely functional deck with battles and vehicles.

[@JakkHorwikk]

I normally appreciate Crims shenanigans but he was really beating a dead horse with the pedantic bit.

[@MrCeall]

more of this plz, i want to see a swarm token deck

[@zeplse271]

What is this software that they are using?

[@kimdron256]

I love Crim normally, but the non-stop bit this week was too much

[@natejablonski]

"Drawing enough cards"? Who are you, and what have you done to Seth Probably Better Known As Saffron Olive?

[@Elias_Ehler]

I was rooting for the Mass Manipulation finish.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Me too thanks finale into steal all creatures

[@burningpapersun1]

I want whatever drugs crim is on.

[@Shimatzu95]

Crim should get the idea by now that if he always claims to have all lands, when it comes down to it and thats realy all he has no one will belive him anymore.

[@CyberNewType]

Funny game, but damn, can Crim let anybody else talk? I know he’ll just be like ‘oh, thanks for the free engagement’ anytime he gets criticism, so I guess this is for the rest of them. Tell him to lay off the caffeine just a bit so we can hear from the others without him screaming every 15secs. I mean early on, even Seth commented on maybe needing to kill him just to stop the routine he was repeating constantly. Yeah, what he did was funny, and I did enjoy the game, but jeezzz…calm…just a bit.

[@RyanEglitis]

I can't believe only Crim brought a Battle Cruiser deck, smh

[@revenant2139]

I don’t know who actually wins yet but Crim has one in my heart.

[@dragade101]

Where is the auto tapper? lol

[@TheEsrix]

But you can play No Mercy and Spreading Plague!

[@shayneweyker]

Do goofy restrictions again. Crim's deck was super cool.

[@gibbysg8143]

Just want to say the threat assessment in this game was absolutely horrid. Acting like the battle deck is arch enemy when there’s an Aesi and tatyova in play? It’s like you’ve never played commander before. Yikes…

[@nealallen2061]

Goldfish seems to be progressively more and more just Crim being salty/notsalty that he wants to play CEDH and everyone else just wants to casual.

[@joelhatterini6392]

Wow they do the clash on bit nice when Tomer isn't around kinda rood tbh

[@caoluno1lim523]

What i need is week where they only play basic lands

[@olafwulfgarson1224]

Phil didn't build a battlecruiser deck. It was more of a deck which exploits battlecruiser decks, taking advantage of the knowledge other players will be playing big splashy creatures. Casting an 8cmc angel for 8 mana is battlecruiser magic. Tutoring and cheating 8cmc creature with Bribery or reanimating for 1 mana is not battlecruiser magic.

[@psychozen7169]

Crim.... Blink a permanent he does not own Crim....

[@beardlybear6528]

seth also could mass manipulation lol and enough mana to take all i think lol

[@SmashCentralOfficial]

I was watching while napping and only made it about halfway through. Did Crim continue to not drop the unfunny bit and make everyone feel awkward for the rest of the game?

[@bigspork7710]

Crim..... oh no

[@jameshayes-barber9340]

23:40 Crim could have cast the Effigcy from under the pirate since it has convoke

[@colecarmichael5724]

Did you not see the mtgo bug counter?

[@jameshayes-barber9340]

@@colecarmichael5724 This was before the bug, he had four mana up with convoke but he didn't try to cast the spell until the following turn.

[@brningpyre]

This ep was too short!

[@FezSheep]

I have some strong opinions on wraths I will admit but just from the runtime of this alone compared to other games I can already tell this match will feel a lot better imo. I'm a firm believer in running fogs/protections spells over most wraths. I typically rune ONE wrath max and it has to be either one sided or a win con within itself (ie. Ruinous Ultimatum or Meathook Massacre) I think if you run stuff like tef's protection or my favorite fog comeuppance you can get away with not wrathing, plus everyone having more stuff might reduce my winrate by like 3% or so but everyone has a lot more fun if they get to keep their stuff. (I also find games with more than one board wipe miserable though 2 can sometimes be bearable depending on the deck)

[@tspin5642]

I love battle cruiser mtg