Brudiclad vs Geralf vs Trostani vs Zur EDH / CMDR game play for Magic: The Gathering

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[@DarkEinherjar]

Yeah... I saw the writing on the wall when everyone let the Zur player build a pillow fort around him.

[@freakjob7018]

Naked Singularity's color identity is five-color, you can't play it in Zur. Martin also missed the cumulative upkeep triggers I don't even know how many times. Cheat count = lots. That Ulamog play to exile the Decree+Solemnity was /tight/ though!

[@em-jaelam4460]

Haha oops! Didn't even realize this. Thanks for the catch! I unfortunately don't have this Zur deck together anymore, as this was filmed before Astral Drift was printed. Should've definitely checked the Oracle on Naked Singularity though!

[@MTGMuddstah]

Oh no!

[@maximilianallen3132]

He didn't miss the cumulative upkeep triggers though, the solemnity means permanents can't get age counters, so you can just pay 0 each time.

[@lobo-xs6kd]

Solemnity was still on the field so cumulative upkeep doesn’t put any age counters on the enchantment.

[@signisakanades1329]

Solemnity stops the Cumulative Upkeep triggers, as the cumulative upkeep triggers don't actually happen. The rest is right though yeah.

[@jonathaneklund6003]

- I've got Solemnity and Decree of silence so you're locked out of resolving spells. Ulamog: Hold my beer..

[@danriemer9724]

Brudiclad’s trigger is one line of text and the Brudiclad player does not have to announce what they are going to do with their tokens before hand since it doesn’t target. You mention you target the faerie artisan in response to them turning into Faeries, but there isn’t a chance to do that if the trigger is resolving. It could be that you were targeting the artisan when the trigger went on the stack, but it wasn’t worded that way. Also, when you double blocked the Eldrazi with the angel and the wall, your opponent can’t choose not to kill either. Your opponent chooses which order their attacker will deal damage to blockers and the attacking creature can’t deal damage to the second blocker unless the first blocker has been assigned at least lethal damage, so one of them had to take at least 4 of the 5 damage from the conduit. Thanks for the content as always!

[@middknight5202]

Can u tell me how to explain this in a game? The first part I mean. Is really interesting and changes my decade worth of playing. I feel like saying I don’t have to announce something would raise concerns of cheating or something like that.

[@danriemer9724]

Midd Knight oh sure! So this applies specifically to cards that don’t target, like Council’s Judgement, or something with an etb trigger like Pithing Needle don’t have their choices named until resolution. So if someone casts a council’s judgement, because it doesn’t target, it goes onto the stack without the choice being named. If someone has a fetch land in play and you cast a pithing needle, your opponent should crack the fetchland before needle enters or you can name the land and lock it up. But if they do crack the land, you don’t need to name the card until the needle resolves is the key so if an opponent isn’t paying attention you can get them. You don’t have to give away your intent by naming a target before hand. In this case with Brudiclad, I believe artisan was the only choice so it was obvious to kill it. But if he had an artisan and some other target, once Brudiclad triggers, opponents of Brudiclad need to react at that moment. You can’t blow out the Brudiclad trigger if that makes sense. Killing the target would normally make a trigger fizzle, but because it doesn’t target, the owner of the Brudiclad trigger gets to make the choice during the resolution. That’s more difficult to explain than I thought, but I hope it makes sense.

[@44emf]

@@danriemer9724 i got i question he read "Then you may choose a token you control." do you still get the trigger even if the creature die ???

[@danriemer9724]

44emf yep. The first thing that happens with Brudiclad is you make a token. The next thing is you choose something for your tokens to become a copy of or you leave them as Myrs, and there is no chance to do anything between those two actions happening. So you just have to announce that your trigger is going on the stack. Your opponents need to react now and guess what you may turn your tokens in to if they want to remove something. If they remove one of your token copies, then you can simply choose a different one during the trigger resolution. If they killed your only other token or killed the only thing worth while to turn in to, then you just get to create a 2/1 myr and keep everything else as is.

[@middknight5202]

@@danriemer9724 If his text said Target, instead of choose, would that be a case where they could respond?

[@AP-lf7xd]

I never miss an episode and i have to say that the screen set up is getting better every episode. The card in the center is much easier to read when it shrinks down now. Thanks👍

[@AidanWR]

I always like your Trostani deck, even with the heavenly glow that engulfed it during this game.

[@ComplexBeast]

Naked Singularity is a 5 color card, the Oracle text has the 5 mana symbols. It's not legal in a Zur deck.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good eye! We didn't realize that at the time sadly.

[@CriticoDeNo0bs]

Your Trostani deck is still one of my favorite decks I've ever seen, I love when you play it!

[@georgekatoufas8267]

Andrew your trostani is an inspiration! I just absolutely love this deck :D

[@calebcaballero9696]

Awesome video! Love ur content, I'd really appreciate a basic Zur decklist, I've never see it played with cycling combos and I really loved it and it's way more cheaper. Thanks. 🙌🏽🇲🇽

[@spaghettibeast1706]

Muddstah video on my birthday!!!! Yay!

[@plain6677]

Beautiful islands from Nick!

[@nickbond9526]

Thanks! Trying to fill out the deck with em but they're a bit hard to find

[@pauldyson8098]

Best risky keep ever, Muddstah!

[@EvilShade82]

I see Brudiclad, i imediately leave a like ;-)

[@TxarlesN]

Thanks for this gameplay

[@signisakanades1329]

Hey Muddstah, why didn't you sacrifice the Riftstone Portal to the annihilator trigger instead of the plains? Avoiding grave hate?

[@thedeadfool1]

Real Muddstah returns!

[@jqxok]

@MTG Muddstah Is the Brudiclad deck list available?

[@egarran]

Nice, I want to play all these decks.

[@evafox9696]

Aw man I wanted to see 7 Faerie Artisans on the field go crazy :(

[@DarkEinherjar]

Max should've kept one token copy of Slinn Voda after the original's ETB.

[@maximilianallen3132]

Yeah I just noticed that, I had remembered Slinn Voda as bouncing each other creature instead of sea creatures. Oh well.

[@aaronr539]

@@maximilianallen3132 shouldn't you have gotten 7? You had 7 faerie artisans, right? How did you not get 7 Slinn?

[@corhydrae3238]

@@aaronr539 Legend rule. He would've gotten seven and would then have to sacrifice all but one.

[@Arcdemon44]

Zur is such an annoying deck to deal with when they run that lockout combo.

[@Vian888]

Ulamog was the perfect answer though, and copying the rec sage was also a clever play. I wonder if the Geralf player knew it was coming.

[@Schiedog]

Edh!!! Muddstah you da man!

[@dahuntre]

Instant click, great time-efficient videos!

[@forerealz]

Hey Muddstah! I happened to glance at the number of subscribers, how many are we from having a Nice amount?

[@Ataelglory]

Always down for some Zur gameplay

[@MageSkeleton]

It's sad when Zur is the biggest threat and no one else was playing anything on the level Zur is.

[@fafnirlord]

Nice!

[@Konfiusion]

nice foils you got there

[@quasarkrankinero5004]

3 of my personal deck commanders in one game? holy goblins!

[@thomasmichelland6608]

I bet the one you don't have is Geralf, he's my first commander.

[@felipepennacchi9716]

I really want to see that Brudiclad decklist, please release it

[@CupcakeNB]

That glare was so bad on Andrew's side I was subdued. ;)

[@xxXTay1981Xxx]

Can you link the zur, deck list in this video?

[@bigdon9999]

sick zur deck

[@argonnas2]

how can zur run naked singularity? it has wubrg color identity

[@hectormorales4090]

Such a GG.

[@JmLyan]

Riftstone Portal doesn't allow you to negate the effects of Naked Singularity. Anything with a basic land type will still only tap for the color NS says it does.

[@MTGMuddstah]

Good to know! Thankfully I don't play against NS all that much lol

[@feramigo901]

Can we get the zur decklist?

[@jabberjaw4669]

Man do I want to see that cycle zur deck 🥺 I'd love some tips, I'm trying to build the same deck.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'll ask Martin to come and make a comment!

[@jekyldnthide]

@@MTGMuddstah Please do, It was an awesome deck that I'm very interested in looking at.

[@DarkEinherjar]

The deck is gone by now, and so is the decklist, apparently.

[@jekyldnthide]

@@DarkEinherjar Sadness

[@Cookie_Nova]

As long as you don't run Naked Singularity, Decree of Silence, and Solemnity you'll be asked to play a 2nd round at your Game Store.

[@PunisherVinny]

alright let's go

[@ButterPlace]

That Geralf deck is really interesting! I love the idea of getting big zombies from milling whilst also being able to cast big creatures by ramping. Would have been really funny if the deck ran Eternal Skylord so that you can generate giant flying zombies.

[@andrea9342]

Color identity mistake aside, how does Naked Singularity works against Rifstone Portal? Does it still locks you replacing the mana produced by your basic lands?

[@Vian888]

It adds that text tapping for green or white to each land, not replacing what is there. So his plains had “tap for red” via replacement and then “tap for green or white” via the rift.

[@andrea9342]

@@Vian888 I was thinking it was something like Contamination

[@DarkEinherjar]

It doesn't, actually. The Oracle text for Naked Singularity says "instead of any other type."

[@andrea9342]

@@DarkEinherjar it's very confusing... Judge!

[@NMS127]

Yes. Riftstone Portal adds another mana ability, but regardless of which you activate, Naked Singularity will replace it with adding the specified color.

[@corhydrae3238]

I envy that Zur player. In my playgroup, bringing out Propaganda or Ghostly Prison will instantly draw the hate of the whole board to you.

[@conorbergan4843]

Wazzah

[@Iamarandomface]

does pawn of ulamong and requiem angel go infnite with any cards i just played a match of mtg commander while listing to this and a guy \said it does so does it? also amazing game

[@theroxenes]

Off the top of my head, Requiem Angel goes infinite with a sac outlet and either Divine Visitation or Conspiracy (naming anything other than spirits). Pawn of Ulamog doesn't have any infinite combos that I know of but it is a payoff of sorts for other sacrifice loops.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Infinite what, exactly? Tokens? Mana? Sacrifice fodder?

[@Iamarandomface]

@@DarkEinherjar tokens

[@Iamarandomface]

and colorless mana

[@percivalyracanth1528]

Commander KZbinrs: *Get lands on curve and 3 mana rocks each* Me: *Gets one land in first hand and then draws no on-curve spell for the next ten turns*

[@slay-thoven1357]

Been there...I played WAAAAY too few lands...like 36 in every deck. It made drawing lands hard 😭

[@fallen1one7]

zur decklist?

[@behemoth1158]

Did anybody else think some of the opening hands were a bit sketchy

[@ianhopkins5817]

correct me if im wrong, but shouldnt the faerie artisans have made 7 slim vodas, and than gotten bounced, but leaving all the leviathan copies in play? feel ike 56 power of creatures missing on the board would be signfiicant

[@NMS127]

Slinn Voda is legendary.

[@DarkEinherjar]

He misread the card and thought it was every creature. Either way, Max would only keep ONE Slinn Voda token because of the legend rule.

[@annihilatorg]

Typically, you need to play brudiclad AS the finisher. You get a couple thopters, myrs, and treasures putzing around, then it's one good copy-able token and brudi comes out to finish a player or two. It's real hard to keep up the pace after just 1 token wipe.

[@danriemer9724]

I agree! I had a Brudiclad deck together for a awhile and would never really cast him unless I had some form of protection or a juicy token ready to go. While it’s a ton of fun to swing with 20 Hellriders or Bane of Bala Geds, I found it was too difficult to balance token producers, threats, and copy spells, and took the deck apart. You really need all three in a game to be effective, and if you don’t find one of the three parts the deck feels pretty weak.

[@annihilatorg]

@@danriemer9724 Exactly. Brudi is my favorite deck. I call it "Fluffy Kitten / Murderbot 5000" because it can produce 60 power on turn 5 or over 50k on turn 10. But otherwise it's a fluffy kitten after a couple board wipes.

[@baulsmahoney]

It’s really annoying when the top comment says how the game ends and ruins the video when you see it

[@tempestandacomputer6951]

bump

[@curtissearle6462]

Never let the zur deck sit around especially the cycling version

[@tempestandacomputer6951]

i dislike the cycling version more than the stax version lol

[@dariusgibson3368]

Slinn Voda: bounce wipe for 10 Whelming wave: um how about 4 Slinn Voda: what about merfolk whelming wave: they are already cheap to recast

[@jameshuynh7308]

zur deck list plsssss

[@andrevpedro]

Where's Zur's List?

[@josueantonio12]

TROSTANI IS BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

[@DrackeMaehara]

The zur deck was aweomse a new take from always bring necropotence and consultation combo the Naked Singularity in deck is kinda wack for the color identity but everything else is tight as i'm building an esper commander deck i hope we can see a decklist soon

[@mrginge143]

Not first, feelsbadman

[@newtpondskipper]

You had me at Zur and Astral Slide.

[@mattshuey1]

I knew eldrazi were coming the moment I saw the mana in Nick's hand.

[@MTGMuddstah]

I'd not say there were infinite. Maybe one?

[@mattshuey1]

@@MTGMuddstah It was just hyperbole muddstah. I still love you and gave it a thumbs up. Still the best content on the web for EDH. You are the king of EDH content my man, I tend to speak big when talking about the king. The peon in me comes out. Don't take it to heart.

[@MTGMuddstah]

@@mattshuey1 I don't take it to heart, so no worries! I just prefer constructive comments when it comes to misplay. Just calling things out can make people feel bad, which may make it so they don't want to come back. That's just something to keep in mind.

[@mattshuey1]

@@MTGMuddstah I did not think of your metrics at all when posting. That was my mistake. I have edited the post. To anyone reading I did this because I love the content and want to see it for years to come.

[@MTGMuddstah]

mattshuey1 I appreciate your comment and willingness to understand my point of view. It’s really kind of you!

[@aslayeri239]

Not first

[@carlosreis8619]

I tried to build nick's deck but with no success

[@FriendlyNewt]

Should Max have got 7 Slinvodas?

[@DarkEinherjar]

He would only have one in the end because of the legend rule, but yeah.

[@suntitan4419]

Epic game too bad your emeria shepherd got countered

[@kalethehunter6970]

I see Zur, I instantly fall in love

[@gdiridium5525]

felt physically sick when I saw Andrew's opening 7. Why would you ever keep something like that???

[@Chuubii]

That Zur deck is miserable

[@DarkEinherjar]

I don't think so... aside from the Solemnity + Decree of Silence lock, it looked pretty fair to me. I dig the Cycling theme.

[@DarkEinherjar]

Also, shame on that Naked Singularity on a three-color commander deck. :P

[@crawdaddy2004]

Everyone says “Adakar”. However, there’s an ‘r’ between the ‘a’ and the ‘k’ - Adarkar.

[@quietninjariot]

Martin cheated by using Naked Singularity. Of course he'll win when he has an illegal card in his deck.

[@BangThatGong]

Hate to break it to you but that’s not what won him the game

[@quietninjariot]

@@BangThatGong Doesn't matter how he won when he already cheated by using an illegal card.

[@noahsanchez9985]

Ben is right. & people make mistakes.. lol.. chill. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@quietninjariot]

Lots of people made "mistakes" and yet they got DQed for it.

[@cheezybastard8661]

Once Esper has their engine running you're all fucked. I hate Zur.

[@jakesstatefarm]

Whenever I see Zur I wonder if the person playing it is the worst type of magic player or not. Martin is the worst type of magic player

[@turion1981j]

Too many misplays :/

[@skylartenhaaf9793]

First comment, video came up 6 seconds ago... What the heck am I even doing with my life? Will edit to add more after I finish the episode.