MTT EP13 3660 Round Up Hobbywing VS Surpass VS X Team

[@biggnasty989]

Thank you. This is a great review that stopped me from making a bad purchase.

[@gainsrc]

Glad you tested these. I have 3 of the 4 and by far the XTEAM was my favorite. I was running the 4650kv variant though and only 2s. I had no Cogging at all and it was run in a tekno sct410.3 I alway recommend the XTEAM as a budget option.

[@JOHNNAYMACK]

one difference i noticed both in videos and in person is the hobbywing and xteam motor mounting ends are screwed on with external screws . the surpass hobby motors the ends are threaded and screwed into the can . i have seen one guy have his end come unscrewed when motor got hot .great videos . good info for motor buyers

[@RayRiv73]

So its been 1 year now how has this motor held up i just ordered one for my traxxas rally 4x4 mating it to a max10 sct 3s bats

[@LawrenceTimme]

The ESC died after around 3 years of hard usage. Also I can't get team magic parts any more so I've had to shelf the car 😢 the motor worked fine the whole time though

[@RayRiv73]

@@LawrenceTimme sorry to hear about your TM...thank you for your motor reviews really appreciate it.

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@RayRiv73 thanks for the comments. It's sad. I can get parts from USA, but they so expensive now it's just not worth it

[@RayRiv73]

@@LawrenceTimme I've never even heard of Team Magic...is it a chinese made truck? Is it a 1/10 scale?

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@RayRiv73 it's made in tiawan in the USA its called redcat mte 10r I think, in Germany and Australia its called team magic e5 1/10 scale

[@andrewlow-hang3106]

Great video/Review bro, really Awesome info, very interesting findings. The Surpass SilverCan (Keeper) is Pretty sweet for the money.....Great running Footage mixed in too. Great job Buddy. 👍💪💪

[@LawrenceTimme]

Yeah, it's been best from the start! It performs really well. It will be interesting to see how it holds up over time now.

[@jayhow997]

Nice an informative. Have you ever tested the skyrc cheetah range of motors , I'm currently running a 3650 3250kv sensored motor and it's doing well but I'd love to see a bench test .

[@LawrenceTimme]

Thanks! I have not tested that motor. It only comes in a combo setup unfortunately, so it's not worth my buying the whole combo just to test the motor.

[@jayhow997]

@@LawrenceTimme fair enough

[@cds1223]

How do these compare to the stock blx motor. I think they are 3656 but not sure. Im trying to find a nice choice to upgrade from a 3300kv 3650 rebranded hobbywing motor on a 60a esc. Sorry i thought that was a big rock. My apologies

[@LawrenceTimme]

The standard blx 3200kv is a 3660 size motor which is the same as the motors I have tested here in this video.

[@cds1223]

Just revisiting this vid. I really liked these motor test. Your test here throws out the low kv more torque u hear all the time. Rcexplained went in depth on that and seems true. Yet so many speak certain of it. I went with a 4300kv platinum bak then. Still running. Been great. Very fast. I wanted about 3800kv so i was thinking the 4300 wud be closer to that. This is the video that made my decision on brand/kv. Thanks LT.

[@my_carp_life3424]

Am looking at going brushless in my rc boat 🚢 (baitboat), its currently got mtroniks m600 brushed on 3s lipo in but its thirsty on battery power about 15amps on the water, is there anything you would recommend I look at brushless wise?

[@LawrenceTimme]

i dont know about boats, but a brushless system is much more efficient so you will get more run time or more power.

[@scottnewport2828]

Boats run way less kv my f1 tunnel boat is running a 2960 motor 29mm wide 60mm long and it's a 2280kv motor and gets my 25" boat with a 150amp esc and 3s 100c battery to roughly 60mph I've never ran a GPS speedo in it but racing a friend's boat that has been tested and does 73mph it not much faster than my boat.

[@jackux]

Thanks for the video ! Very interesting. I’m currently running my E5HX with à surpass KK 3660 2600KV in 4S. I’m wondering what is the difference between KK and platinum series ?

[@LawrenceTimme]

The platinum series is just a bit nicer on the the wires and different colour.

[@bryanbolich5469]

It would helped most people if you new how to read the specs of motors. Which clearly show which are going to be faster. When you compare the Kv rating at set volts. The closer the Kv is to the voltage your running=the closer your going be to the actual power of the motor (WATTS). run time will drop. Your video only enforced my decision to buy the smaller under dog X-team. It has the highest Watts capability with the highest amp drawl to reach it. It's also the smallest internally. Vented case=smaller can and 5mm shaft=harder to break. Next time keep the Kv ratings as close as possible. And mention the rated Watts of the motors. Almost forgot clogging isn't always the motor. Speed control?? My X-teams are 3660 4650kv at 12 volts drawing 130amps=1700watts $31.56 ebay and a 3674 3270kv at 18v drawing 135amps 2400watts. $38 ebay

[@LawrenceTimme]

The rated watts means nothing if the actual performance sucks. The xteam ran hotter and slower in the same truck. You can also get the surpass motor with a 5mm shaft as well as 3.2mm.

[@fran.6496]

I have question, does this suprass 4200 kv (3860 actually) Vibrate?

[@LawrenceTimme]

Not really. If you lock at the noise test that is mainly checking for excess vibration.

[@krodyssey4770]

What about the esc what’s good for the surpass and will never burn up

[@LawrenceTimme]

The esc is hobbywing max10 sct.

[@krodyssey4770]

If I buy this for my slash will it last along time because it’s a light truck and not heavy like yours.

[@LawrenceTimme]

Yeah get the surpass platinum it is good. Should be fine in the slash

[@krodyssey4770]

@@LawrenceTimmedo you think the surpass plantinum combo is good because I barley have money and idk if the esc will last long in there. What are your thoughts on the surpass esc

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@krodyssey4770 I don't know, I only have the hobbywing. I would try get the 80a version for a slash if you can.

[@AudiA4Life]

Ifu want a great esc is the goolrc 120a u can do up to 6s n i have it paired to a 2650kv goolrc im doing 3s in a tmaxx. also my pinion right now is 21 n spur was 72 but going to a 54

[@fran.6496]

How long Are those

[@LawrenceTimme]

3660 are 36mm diameter and 60mm long.

[@fran.6496]

@@LawrenceTimme thank you bro!

[@theforzaboi3776]

Would these fit a 2wd traxxas slash

[@LawrenceTimme]

Yes

[@theforzaboi3776]

Awesome thank you. Would the 6900 Kv surpass be to extreme for a slash? Right now my brushless 2s slash tops at 25mph and I would like to see at least 40. It also has the top speed gearing.

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@theforzaboi3776 you would be better off moving to 3s 6900kv will just overheat. You also need to look at the gearing. On a gearing calculator. On a 2wd truck you probably want a 3660 3800-4000kv motor running on 3s geared to 45mph.

[@theforzaboi3776]

Is there anyway I could stick to 2s and achieve that sort of speed because I have 3 2s batteries and I’m kinda broke right now being 14. I’m just really budgeted for this build

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@theforzaboi3776 the highest you can go on off road 2wd is really 4600kv even on 2s, any higher and the amps will burn out or overheat a comparable esc

[@ValFPV]

hi man! do you think a 3800kv motor with 12t gearing or a 3300kv motor with 15t pinion would work better on the e5 on 3s?

[@LawrenceTimme]

Hi, I prefer the higher KV with the smaller pinion. Thats what has worked best for me.

[@ha-jo-foehr6.6.57.]

Can you test the Surpass hobby 6900kv kk series motor in your E5 :)

[@LawrenceTimme]

No lol, that would be way to high kv for it. I couldn't get a pinion gear small enough

[@ha-jo-foehr6.6.57.]

Ok i understand you but hey standing backflips XD

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@ha-jo-foehr6.6.57. it would just overheat the esc the motor wouldn't have enough torque to even flip the car

[@ha-jo-foehr6.6.57.]

@@LawrenceTimme Yeah ok it is to much power for the car.A little question: Can the Surpass 80a Esc hold the power and kv from the 6900kv motor

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@ha-jo-foehr6.6.57. depends on the gearing.

[@beomon3449]

Do you mind if I share this video in the Redcat facebook group? This is amazing for people who buy kits (TM calls it ARR, preassembled and missing electronics) or looking for motor alternatives

[@beomon3449]

btw would be perfect if you could add the speed test results to the description - looks like you already have the notes : )

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@beomon3449 OK that's fine. I will add speed results to description. 👍

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@beomon3449 I have now put the speed results in the description

[@elextremo89]

Hey Lawrence, thank you a lot for the cool content! Watched many of your vids! I want to upgrade my 1/10 buggy which runs 3s on a 3652 3250kv motor with a 3.175mm shaft on a 60amp esc. I think I want to go 3660. Would you recommend the platinum over the KK? And what ESC would you recommend for the setup? Thank you a lot for your support! 🙏🏼

[@LawrenceTimme]

Yes the platinum motor was a little bit better than the kk series for me. I would recommend getting a 3800kv or 3500kv 3660. As for the esc you will probably be ok with 80-100a in a buggy. I have not done my esc testing yet because of the bad weather in the winter. I will hopefully start testing esc in the spring and then I will be able to give a better recommendation. Thanks for watching 👍

[@elextremo89]

@@LawrenceTimme Thank you a lot! I was thinking of the 3660 - 4300kv Platinum Motor (As of your tests i guess it will have somewhere around 4000kv then) and a 120A Hobbywing ESC. Or does anything speak against 4300kv? Wishing you a great day!

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@elextremo89 that should be a good communication!

[@mehimrc1314]

I'm really enjoying how you present your results,nice,even and consistent information. Making life easier for the viewer,great performance for the scale of trucks and the motors only being 3660 size. Have you got any video/thoughts on ESC choices for the motors?

[@LawrenceTimme]

I haven't tested many esc's. I mainly use the hobbywing esc. I have a max10, max 10 sct, max6. I have also had a hobbyking X car beast 120a. I would try to stick with 80-120a 3-4s rated esc for 3660 sized motors. Normally the bigger and higher rated esc you can get the better.

[@mehimrc1314]

@@LawrenceTimme thanks for that info so biggest esc you can fit into your car would cover any amp discrepancies with motor kv?

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@mehimrc1314 pretty much. Bigger size = better heat dissipation. Also the quality of the parts plays a part in heat as well, from what I've seen super cheap like gcool rc esc tend to be over rated by manufacturer and not perform well, so I would avoid very cheap ones. Mid range seems to be the best to me. Once you start spending money for Castle or tekin etc your paying for the logging and software and programming rather than the actual function of the esc itself.

[@mehimrc1314]

@@LawrenceTimme I can't thank you enough. If I may pick your brain just one more time. I'm running goolrc esc atm,what mid range brands or in general mid range ESC could you recommend. Hobbywing I'd guess?

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@mehimrc1314 yes, I guess so, I have had a few hit and miss hobbywing esc's, the xr8 plus sucks and quite a few people have had issues with that and I've had 2 150a hobbywings blow up on me. The max10 sct is pretty good, but it can overheat sometimes when I'm really pushing it. Lots of people run the max10 sct with not issue and I had the 80a version before and that was fine as well.

[@kirkjones916]

high excellent vids, in these motor tests what are you using to measure your speed, presumably a gps speedo. i got one recently. its just a mei;an M3 gps. it worked well initially & then wouldnt connect at all to satellite. is this a rc tx & rx with bulit in gps telemetry or something. i saw one of these vids where you taped something to the inside roof of the canopy. Any advice please thanks.

[@LawrenceTimme]

Yes, I use the skyrc GPS. It is the one that connects to an app on your phone via Bluetooth :D

[@RcOffroad9513]

Thanks for the motor reviews and research! I have 2 3660 4300kv goolrc boat motors that I run in 1/10 buggy and a 4wd truck I have ran it on 4s lipo and it is really fast! Would love to see one of these motors tested?

[@LawrenceTimme]

Sure I am always looking at new motor to test, although I wanted to get some more esc's next as many people have requested those.

[@jansvasta2146]

@@LawrenceTimme Yes those are awesome. They are the same as the Surpass boat rocket series. They range from 29mm to 40mm of various lengths. They seem very good quality and especially the smaller ones have lots of power on paper.

[@myudopriambodo6148]

Great job

[@DRM-CHSR]

I want more speed in my rc buggy, which motor is the best recommend? and how many KV is the best for speed?

[@kcmullins6179]

The same company builds surpass and hobbywing so honestly shouldn't be much diff in the same size same kv motor n ESC's

[@LawrenceTimme]

No they don't. There are loads of different companies but they all copy each other. Some copies are better than others.

[@kcmullins6179]

You should go bigger in the motor depo... 4076 2200kv on a 120amp 3s esc you'll see faster speeds. You can run bigger pinions as well. I run in my Arrma Granite a hobbywing Quicrun 10BL120 3s esc with a 4276 surpass hobby turas rocket 2200kv. It's basically the Same motor as the 4076 2200 kv surpass hobby. I run it with a 19T n 20T integy pinions most of the time. It hits 74mph.. 3660 motors are ok but their no where near as powerful as a big block

[@LawrenceTimme]

Can't. Doesn't fit in the truck. 3660 is the biggest motor that fits.

[@RC-CARS-WORLD]

Nice video :)

[@LuisBermudez69]

Us3 a 16 pinion or higher than that

[@LawrenceTimme]

No that would just cut out or overheat XD

[@LuisBermudez69]

Trust me I use that 120 amp 6s in 1/8 k Buggy I have 2 fan motor power hobby with a 16t pinion gear

[@LuisBermudez69]

I don't know what are you talking about besides I say something it's because I texted up

[@LawrenceTimme]

@@LuisBermudez69 this esc does not support 6s XD. Also the gearing in your buggy will be completely different to this truck

[@tahayt6142]

Tem motors are too small For that truck

[@LawrenceTimme]

The stock motor is 3655 these are 3660

[@สมเกียรติฝาเงิน]

1/10 ?

[@LawrenceTimme]

Yes