Much Bigger Blue

[@williesnyder2899]

That is SOME auxiliary counterweight stack!!

[@billykid5076]

I was working at river bend nuclear power plant in LA. 1983 Same company tried to set the Dome( cap) for the reactor from the ground and drop the DOME destroy the two ridges no one was injured . supervisor just went back to his office packed his item and left the job . never came back.

[@7249xxl]

in all honesty. People saying Lampson shouldve repainted their fleet because of the fatal accidents. Where is your brain? Have you ever seen a car manufacturer change theme's because of a fatal accident? No because its part of life. Literally all crane incidents can be guided back to human error post lease and use of the machines.

[@organbuilder272]

It was not the rigging in Milwaukee. It was the man who made the decision to lift that structure up into a wind stream with mush higher velocity that was acceptable. In fact, like to O rings on the rocket - at was forbidden. Economics forced a bad judgement. In the end, it cost far more that waiting for a more suitable condition would have cost. And 3 men never went home that night. A sad story all around. You are correct, Guy, some bad choices were made. The only good that came from that was the memorial for those 3 men and perhaps a lesson in caution.

[@raykampwerth3928]

Not to mention the company setting this roof fired two guys who said no to setting that day and it was still set. They say safety is a factor for is working its only a factor for their pocket book

[@eddiecongdontrucking]

The ground caved in

[@chessplayerelite669]

@@eddiecongdontruckingno, it was determined the wind brought down big blue. Wiki big blue

[@VaporheadATC]

6.4M lbs of counterweight!?!?! Holy smokes!

[@jasonschaeffer72]

Counterweight is 6,400,000 lbs. The color is Lampson blue because it's a Lampson crane. There's been accidents with Manitowoc cranes but you don't see them changing their signature Manitowoc red paint do ya. Neither is Lampson

[@epistte]

Well said Jason. Mammoet has had fatal accidents and nobody is going to say that they must repaint their very large fleet from red and black. Bigge, ALE, Deep-South, Sarens and Maxim have all have had fatal incidents and they don't try to run from the incident by repainting their fleet.

[@irench]

I've never heard of an actual crane failure event that wasn't precipitated by the human input. Big Blue( the original video which is gone now because he's gone was done by Norm V) failed because the valley in which Miller sits is some 75' below the grade of Woods VA hospital just south of the sight. Wind speed wasn't properly measured by Mitsubishi Lifting Services who operated the crane. I'm no expert but I do pay attention to these and other engineering mistakes. Like the incorrectly built footbridges in MN mall that coplapsed .

[@chessplayerelite669]

@@epistte Mammoet is a rigging company, they do not make cranes.

[@chessplayerelite669]

Sir, Mammoet does not build cranes, they are a Dutch company that provides crane and rigging services. You probably thought they made cranes because they put their name their cranes and their othere equipment they have just like you see company names on construction machinery, like excavators and stuff. Wiki Mammoet.

[@markcarlson7080]

hell I was impressed with liebheer this lampson eclipsed that

[@never_2_old_fitness313]

During the morning JHA/AHA, “Don’t stand under the load.” Everyone looks at the safety guy, “OK BOOMER!!!”. Lol

[@eddiecongdontrucking]

Yeah this is a Big Blue Beast much bigger than big blue

[@luckyhowe431]

This crane looks like the one they used to move large chemical storage tanks at the Houston ship channel. It was a big mammy jammy

[@williamskrainski8407]

I was an operator back then.....I watched this job, there were parts of Big Blue all over the waterfront for years after this job.

[@chessplayerelite669]

The big blue you were thinking of was a Lampson LTL-1500, a smaller version of this behemoth!

[@lSAMV31l]

At 2:55 i they seriously strolling around under a live load..??

[@ibbylancaster8981]

Cool video man. It's pretty interesting footage and great overall views. Thanks for sharing it.

[@MarkoKaar]

Ibby Lancaster my pleasure! Thanks for taking the time to comment!

[@ibbylancaster8981]

Marko Kaar , I'm a pipe welder and have worked around some large cranes, and people don't realize just how much work goes into the logistics of setting one up or even the amount of planning that goes into some of the lifts I've been around. So , thank you for the reply, and again, the great video.

[@0470moo]

3,200,00 Short tons as you guys in the USA use that (1 ton = 2,000Lbs) or 2,857,142 Metric Tonnes (1 Tonne + 2,240Lbs) I remember Big Blue and that terrible accident a huge court case and payout but the money will never fix the anguish those families went through. R.I.P. No one goes to work to die but it proves the adage that no single piece of construction equipment has the potential to do so much damage as a crane when it tips over............

[@NoferTrunions]

Yes BUT, I read the kingpin analysis from the court case and it appears the kingpin would fail before the crane "tipped" over. Usually when smaller cranes tip over, the kingpin and tracks are robust behave as rigid bodies - eventually truss booms usually collapse. I think all crane designs should have a robust rather than critical kingpin. If you look at the one pic of the mangled kingpin, it's shocking how small it's 12" diameter is relative to the rest of the crane. My guess, 24" diameter or larger (36") and hollow would be where it should be sized. If the kingpin did not fail, what would a failure analysis have shown? Perhaps there would have been enough safety margin in the next critical part to survive the gust. NOTE: There was early rumor that a steel washer was replaced with a brass/bronze one, however the FEM analysis indicated the failed part exceeded the strength of the "original" design which was also a brass/bronze washer. Obviously, a steel washer would not have crushed and perhaps the kingpin would not have failed. That was never mentioned in the FEM report.

[@garyposton2646]

And they said the Egyptians build the pyramids with ropes and wooden logs

[@MrGoldarr]

Lo Jack I would say more than 20. It doesn’t mean I’m right and your wrong. I’m just saying that it was a longer time for the simple fact that there was no modern machinery and the cuts on the stones were very precise.Plus the pay was food, because it was more than likely slaves who did the work. So no financial issues to worry about either.

[@bebo5558]

Must have been a counter weight shortage nationwide, all were used here on this job! One jolt or movement or tippong of counter weights and whole lift over and done, looks risky!

[@chessplayerelite669]

You got a better counterweight plan?

[@bebo5558]

@Chess PlayerElite No, I'm a civilian, not an engineer, why would I have a better plan???

[@chessplayerelite669]

@@bebo5558 This is the only way to configure that much counterweight. The only better way is to imagine a better setup in your dreams.

[@bebo5558]

@Chess PlayerElite There is ALWAYS more than one way to do any job, but costs, time schedule, and equipment availability always come into play! Like I said, I was commenting as a civilian, not that I could do it better!!

[@chessplayerelite669]

@@bebo5558 So what do you have in mind??

[@warrenelliott3404]

I built that bridge then I assembled that crane then I made the pick on may 4, 2003 then I disassembled the crane and shipped it out on 144 tractor trailers. Hard work and a good time.

[@MarkoKaar]

Warren Elliott check out the video of the final pick... pretty cool! You guys did a great job kzbin.info/www/bejne/i6XaqHSsatOpgcU

[@ACERASPIRE1]

Arnt you a clever boy

[@jasonwindsperger362]

Making up stories to sound cool will not gain you any friends

[@mikeyoungblood1706]

If it's blue and it says lampson anywhere on it RUN LIKE HELL !!!!!!!

[@michaelledford4751]

+Troy Thoman Answer me this ,who is reading the hook weight ,hydraulic pressure and the Anemometers data showing real time wind speed at the end of the Jib, Riggers ? No ,the operator sitting in the cab ,who has the final word weather a lift is canceled or if it continues ,the Riggers ? No ! Did you see a cable snap ? No we heard the sonic crack of a boom pin shear seconds before the collapse where the load was still squarely secured to the hook ,did OSHA find any fault with the rigging ? No ,your tripping .

[@jasonzinzow9427]

wasnt a boom pin it was the swing pin but i get your point.

[@fixatroll5406]

@@jasonzinzow9427 The rotation pin didn't actually break. It was the bolts holding it in place. With the bolts gone there wasn't anything to hold it together. I have that directly from OSHA. A massive retaining high strenth steel plate on the top of the pin. The plate was to hold the upper to the lower. That pin was almost a foot thick. About 6 feet long. Could you imagine the torque required to snap that?

[@In_Rem]

@@jasonzinzow9427 it is not called a swing pin it is the kingpin and the nut did not fail until the wind caught the giant kite causing a tremendous side load i have fabricated and welded three of these beasts together working for lampson and went out on two assemble disassembles

[@NoferTrunions]

Does the crane operator have a spectrum analyzer hooked up to strain gages in the masts and hook? Analysis of the stricture's fundamental mode can predict the onset of buckling and tipping. (I'm betting they don't.)

[@OLDBEAR123456]

No.

[@TheRealDigi2]

We need a very big blue

[@ChrisPBacon-hk4lu]

Awesome!

[@SJR_Media_Group]

You know it'a a really big crane when you have to put on Oxygen before climbing to top of boom for regular inspection. There is a flag on top visible in the day. Probably a flashing light on top so planes can avoid crashing into it at night. Yeah, it's a big crane.

[@patrickmartin6037]

In my day the crane operator had final say for any lift. Wonder what happened in Milwaukee that cost 3 lives ?

[@thomassheffield8845]

They ran him off because he refused to lift in the wind that day. Then someone else got in it and people got killed

[@patrickmartin6037]

@@thomassheffield8845 I belive you are spot on. A sad state of affairs for the families. No amount of money will ever replace a father, son, brother or friend.

[@In_Rem]

no not bigger a lampson ltl2600 is a lampson ltl2600 just a little different configuration on this one I have fabricated 3 2600's and the 3000 we built for hitachi 2010-2011working on n off combine 7 full years. the 3000 has never left the yard or made a money lift, such a waste of time and money but I got paid 90 grand a year

[@gregg4164]

There where some bad decisions made on that day in Milwaukee, it had nothing to do with the crane. It did not cause the terrible accident.

[@fixatroll5406]

Lampson had a little bit of responsibility. The courts claimed they did. 5% or something like that. I know the loud banging sounds are from very large high strength bolts poping from the torque placed on the boom from the wind. I also know that they were slowly lowering the load and you easily hear her brakes squealing. That's normal and annoying. When increasing the length of the hoist line is like increasing the length of your wrench handle multiplying torque . Eventually something is going to give.

[@yhisisknot]

@@fixatroll5406 its the king pin

[@fixatroll5406]

@@yhisisknot Yep! After the bolts let go she just fell apart. The kingpin as you call it didn't break. I suspect that lampson probably allowed an alternate operator to run it because they probably were not informed that the original operator wouldn't. Since they didn't investigate properly and hadn't interviewed that operator probably couldn't locate him and assumed he just up and quit for personal reasons other than a safety issue. I have never heard the official explanation why lampson had any responsibility at all. So I am just guessing at this scenario. If you do know then please share. If it had been that pin then lampson would have been held at 90% responsible or more. For defective engineering. I get the information I have shared directly from OSHA.

[@magnarvasiliev5292]

That crane is a male not a female it gives off a masculine energy

[@alpha-cf2oi]

@@fixatroll5406 LOL increasing length of the hoist line is NOT multi torque at all. not a single nm.

[@joshualhughes2778]

Didn't this tip over placing a roof on a stadium a few years back

[@MarkoKaar]

Not this one, that was Big Blue, collapsed in Milwaukee in 1999 kzbin.info/www/bejne/amnCmXd_jLaChqs

[@chessplayerelite669]

The big blue crane you're thinking of was an LTL-1500, a smaller crane than this one- hence the title, "a much bigger blue".

[@hadleymanmusic]

I notice theres no flag or windsock at the top of this crane. Big major fuckup

[@markcarlson7080]

just baddass. lampson transalifit the baddest

[@dennishanson5254]

Widow maker.

[@MrBobity]

OMG!!!

[@rodneyvogelsang691]

That's what I'm talking about !!!!

[@MarkoKaar]

Rodney Vogelsang yes, it was cool to see and be part of!

[@iplaypearldrums7935]

How heavy is the counterweight??

[@MarkoKaar]

The Crane: 3000 Ton Capacity (Rigged for 1500 at 176’ Radius) 51,000 Feet of 1 ½” Cable 56 Parts of Line 6,400,000 Lbs Counterweight Boom - 2000 Lbs/FT Mast - 1500 Lbs/FT 100+ Tons Rigging 1044 Ton Total Pick Weight

[@iplaypearldrums7935]

it's amazing that weight sits on the caterpillar tracks.

[@jakeabken2880]

I work for Lampson there's a bigger crane now in the yard

[@MarkoKaar]

Yes, this one is old - 2003

[@anthonyforret2117]

dude man Back in 2009, when I was working at Hanford, I used to like to tour Lampson yard in Kennewick. Lot's of cool stuff. They bought the two Melroe 880 Buffalos we used to move ARCO Kuparuk oilfield modules in early 80s and the 156 tire Goldhofer trailers.

[@zanelile761]

What is the lift capacity of this monster, as rigged above ?

[@MarkoKaar]

3000 Ton Capacity (good for 1500T at 176’ Radius to pick 1044T load)

[@iplaypearldrums7935]

wow

[@MarkoKaar]

Iplay Pearldrums yep it was pretty amazing...glad you liked it!

[@iplaypearldrums7935]

We often see the big blue accident for MSHA safety classes...IBEW

[@petersrightbut8297]

Blue crane = Wisconsin accident.

[@petersrightbut8297]

SnowyOwl sorry, but the big blue accident is just too big to say its just a Color ....fact. you have no logistical rebuttle against a well known international event, probably due, mostly cause of youtube. Oh, sorry, those were 3 syllable words....

[@MarkoKaar]

Hey, guys, lot's of opinions out there, but no need to be rude about it. Thanks.

[@dank9033]

@petersright,,,,ignorant is a three syllable word too, look in the mirror next time you want to insult a commenter, yes, he insulted you first, but your comment about a color being the fault of of a management decision is an invite to insult you. The sky is blue too, what do you have to say about that? Fact-you cannot say anything about that because those are not three syllable words, which clearly only YOU understand, not anyone else, another "fact',, "Blue crane = Wisconsin accident" , then you respond with "big blue accident is just too big to say it"s just a color" (notice how I corrected your bad grammar?) your comments flip flop, therefore, you invite invectitude, sorry, that was four syllables, way too much for you petersright.

[@petersrightbut8297]

Dan K i speak directly, dealing w men, 30 yrs in the business, what office water jug do you get your facts fromfrom? Ha.

[@dank9033]

the office water jug of knowledge, and education, which means we do not use made up words like, "fromfrom", another nail in your coffin of ignorance. Insults invite attack, clearly you do not want to comment and respond, you just want to insult, and attack, and spew vitriol, there are thousands of other web sites where you belong, just not this one. Good luck "fromfrom", your new s/n, better than petersright, which is now peterswrong.

[@markschenher4559]

Is this the Route 34 bridge in New Haven CT?

[@MarkoKaar]

Mark Schenher I don't recall the name of the bridge, but it goes from Long Wharf to Union Station...just south of the station

[@susanpeterson3722]

I will tell you this. These operators don't have a brain in their head. They lift to high and they let the lift just hang. Every second that load is on the crane a pending problem can crop up. Rule number 1, keep the load as close to the ground as possible, don't over lift.Using as genital movements as possible, get the load set.

[@theindigopickle]

You said genital.

[@michaelledford4751]

Fuck that crane ,out of respect for the 3 men killed by " Big Blue " that color boom should have been laid to rest ,I wouldn't operate that crane for any amount of money ,every color of the rainbow and they use the same color as big blue ,it's horse shit.

[@MarkoKaar]

Mike, I understand your sentiment - but people failed before the crane failed as a result

[@michaelledford4751]

Marko Kaar People failing and not following wind requirements is a given but people don't see the men who caused the collapse/deaths ,they see the same color lattice boom and the 1st thing that comes to mind is Big Blue and the brothers we lost ,I myself hate blue booms even before the collapse , the blue boom against a blue sky makes my eyes tired ,I don't claim to be the authority ,or last word on this but I do personally know over 2,000 Union Iron Workers ,Commercial Roofers & Operating Engineers with a CCO who now think it's a jinx to work under a blue lattice boom or operate .

[@BohdanAstro]

It is LTL-2600. Collapsed crane was LTL-1500.

[@troythoman6443]

Michael Ledford it wasn't big blues fault. It was the riggers fault for not taking the wind speed,and the size of the structure that they were lifting that day.

[@gilb6982]

Michael Ledford I am Canadian and I greatly appreciate your respect for the 3 men killed in the Big Blue accident but there is a fact to remember < the paint on the Big Blue had no responsibility at all in the accident > secondly < out of respect of the 30,000 + men , women , child kill by GUN every year in the USA will you ban gun right > ????????

[@eddiecongdontrucking]

Awesome!