AfriForum vs EFF (Shivambu) And Others - WATCH IT ALL - Land Debate

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Parliament of South Africa - “To represent the people, and to ensure government by the people in fulfilling our constitutional functions of passing laws and overseeing executive action”. Heated land debate between Ernst Roets (Deputy CEO) of AfriForum and Mp's during land debate in Parliament. CONSTITUTIONAL REVIEW COMMITTEE. *****
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[@moosesnWoop]

It is good to see these debates. My Africa is a great channel. It's funny, serious and touches on many different points that affect every single South African. I like to see this kind of democracy.

[@ant208]

moosesnWoop123 after seeing this I can understand why South Africa will fail. People can't debate the facts and leaders openly call for war if they can't have it their way. Are there enough open minded blacks who can see past this communist agenda lies?

[@Alwynbear]

MoosesnWoop123 I to do not think this a demonstration of democracy. In fact, it was quite the opposite. It clearly demonstrated that if the majority in this parliament does not want to hear a point of view they go as far as an outright declaration of war on those in decent. In a nutshell I heard the following from this committee: We want to take the land you occupy. We will not pay you for it. We will do it as quickly as possible. If you do not give it to us willingly than your inviting war. Even the chairperson felt compelled to make a comment in an attempt to distance the committee from that sentiment. Make no mistake the question is no longer one of weather the government will forcibly take land from white people. That will be done one way or the other. The debate now has become one which seems to be focused more toward the white communities various strategies in finding solutions that will delay the process rather than expedite it. AfriForums arguments seems to be aggressively geared towards convincing people that the grounds on which government is basing the drive towards this outcome is factually incorrect in the misguided belief that anyone actually cares about the grounds at all. I suspect this is a very ill conceived strategy and seems to rely more on international intervention than on widespread local support. I fear this strategy will dismally fail in either direction. It simply reinforces the desire to proceed with confiscation of land as demonstrated by the responses it elicited and even if there is international intervention, the only outcome of such intervention would be economic decline at a much faster pace. On the other hand other presenters have walked through the door the ANC opened when they started to argue that the constitution need not be amended to allow for EWC. Support for the notion that the constitution need not be changed is based in the requirement of the courts determining just and fair compensation in each instance. Such approach will allow for a delay in resolving the issue for years, and perhaps a number of generations. From a strategic point of view this seems a much better argument. Though, I fear it is not. It is equally bad for the minorities, but alas, better for economics. Weather or not the ANC opened that door intentionally or not is an open question. I would think they did so intentionally. To assume the contrary is to assume they did not think the legal arguments through, which, given the run up to all of this, seems very unlikely. Every person supporting the notion that the constitution need only receive a cosmetic amendment to clarify that fair and just compensation may be as little as zero is walking into a trap set by the ANC government. There is no better example of boiling the frog very slowly. This is how I see all of this playing out. There will be a cosmetic amendment to Section 25 of the constitution that will include words to the effect that just and equitable compensation may be as little as zero. The expropriation act will be amended to reflect the basis of compensation to be determined in line with section 25 of the Constitution and furthermore that eviction would be possible prior to such determination by the courts. Government will thereafter deliver the expropriation notices to strategic properties as directed by external investors in claiming such properties as test cases and will engage in the ensuing legal battle regarding just and equitable compensation. The will successfully argue to any international resistance that the evicted persons will be afforded due process in court with a claim for just and equitable compensation in line with the constitution and that the international community must allow such process to play out before we are judged on the basis thereof. The only unknown is the extent of the reaction that the communities objecting to people being evicted and having to wait years for legal battles to be thought at extraordinary expense will react. I suspect the government will feel comfortable in their military and policing power to subdue any hostilities. All and all I suspect the ANC is outwitting the likes of AfriForum and all of the people seemingly arguing in favour of such cosmetic changes. From an economic perspective I suspect that such amendment, however insignificant it might seem, will have a negative effect over the longer term. In the short run it seems that China will be the biggest benefactor of acquired land even if it is only rights of access and not outright ownership which will vest in the government just as the EFF desires. But the investment China will bring will buffer against the main economic impact. None of this will have any effect on the poor and unemployed masses of the country though. Not unless government can find investment that will allow for the creation of employment opportunities of the local population. China has not showed itself to be that kind of investor. The problem is that there may be a drive from the likes of BLF and the EFF feeling sufficiently empowered to proceed with large scale land grabs and criticizing the ANC when they fail to expropriate grabbed land in a similar fashion. No amount of chines investment will be capable of buffering the economic collapse once this happens.

[@bijosn]

Lets talk about the 300+ years of white oppression: berlin conference , native land act, group areas act, apartheid,bantu education, dispossession of over 3.5million blacks into homelands

[@Alwynbear]

BN S If we must we can talk about that. I'd prefer we talk about the strides that was made in the past 24 years through BBBEE though. Employment is, contrary to popular opinion, demonstrably transformed to the extent that the workplace is close to being representative of demographics. Yes there are millions of people, 16.78 million to be exact, who is unemployed, of which about 6% is white. On the other hand the same is true for the employed though. Only approximately 2.2million people in formal employment is white while the rest of the employed millions is black, Indian and Coloured. There are more black owners of residential houses than whites by a factor or about 10. Most new lifestyle housing estates is representative of the demographics of the area. If you are an unemployed black person your chances of obtaining gainful employment in this country is about 92% higher than that of your white unemployed counterpart with the same level of education. Whatever happened centuries ago happened. I do not condone subjugation of one race over another. Whatever happened during apartheid happened and I condone none of that either. But I am proud that I voted for the abolishment thereof whatever the repercussions is that is coming to the fore only now. I have no feelings of guilt over my race. I had no influence over any of it and once I had, I, together with most of my family and friends, used it to change apartheid. In truth, even if all whites in South Africa was eliminated completely from the economic landscape, denied any form of participation in commerce, jobs or ownership of property there would still be about 15 million impoverished black people in exactly the same position than they are in right now, possibly more. That is a mathematical certainty. So, my question to you is this. Is it your desire to suppress white people simply because you hate us and wish for some kind of revenge to be exacted on us? Or do you want to find a way forward that offers the best possibility for all South Africans to find a way out of poverty and to become a prosperous nation? If your answer is the latter than we can engage in discussion. If it is the former, than this interaction is utterly futile.

[@brucemcdonald11]

Why do you care what another person thinks of you? Are you such a child that you should care what others think?

[@rbotha6575]

Well done Ernst. I cant believe that these are our politicians, they acted like a bunch of grade 1 school kids. What a pity.

[@onthewall425]

for my entire life living in South Africa, this is the EXACT behavior I have received from African people. Leave before its too late!

[@eenheidiskrag7123]

White African: Yes, "a bunch of Grade 1 school kids" !!! NOTHING in Ernst Roets´s speech is offensive... NOTHING is his discourse is unbalanced... NOTHING in Ernst´s speech is in need of logical thinking !....... What happened in Parliament was really a very heavy attack on White People, focused on the person of Ernst Roets as representative of the ideals of Afriforum !... Pure RACISM, and an out-of-control wish for revenge! Any civilized country would be deeply ashamed of such an orchestrated behavior, but -- of course -- that´s NOT the case with South Africa ! The severe and long-lasting brainwashing perpetrated by the ANC and its fanatic partners is dangerously pushing the Country down to the hole...... What surprises me the most is that the MAJORITY of South Africans have NOT yet been able to realize they are on the verge of complete disaster... Shame!!!

[@onthewall425]

Very true words, it might be a good thing that most South Africans are not fully aware of the intensity of the matter, they seem to have to old "Ag it will be ok" attitude. I am grateful that not everyone knows, as this can give us some time to leave the country unnoticed and before a panic state is ensued!

[@mickeyd7283]

I’m finding it incredibly difficult to watch these idiots responding to Mr Roets. They are simply too simple to grasp facts.

[@MyPaballo]

Super Sheep leave buddy. Less of you that are here the better.

[@ThyAnthonyOfficial]

Im glad i found a full video, not like on social media Networks and broadcastsers Who only show's small clips To further their own agenda.

[@042Ghostmaker]

This was the direct feed from parliament, but I agree.

[@moosesnWoop]

Fully agree. People will slice the fuck out of this to further their own agenda. It's so nice to see all these perspectives, contrasting and emotional. Makes me proud that we have this type of procedures in place!

[@anderou7073]

Read this today - so true: Our struggle journalists are so committed to their collectively predetermined truth that no verified facts would stand in their way. Today's motto is: Breaking News? We fix it!

[@scrooge8117]

Look up News24's video. "If it bleeds it leads"

[@annonymous8070]

Well done Ernst, finally a fact based presentation with no fear of the useless government.

[@yittyyor]

As well as a solution for prosperity for all- what the hell is wrong with that??.

[@patiencetich3681]

I'm proud of my fellow Africans who stood up to the arrogance of this CEO. Calling this organisation "Afriforum" now feels like simply a front to fool the black South Africans into thinking that this organisation has the black south African at heart. It doesn't. This CEO came with bitterness and he got called out. I applaud the white SFs who also called this CEO out about his arrogance. Afriforum, What a disgrace

[@EmmanuelBediako-yg8ne]

Afriforum ,wolf in sheep clothing

[@optimistic5778]

They didn't even address anything Afriforum said. They just attacked his character. Disappointing.

[@pieroochonobhar4628]

They just concentrated on feelings not facts and logic

[@themburoyalty2179]

Be truthful for once and forget about defending white privilege . We are taking the land back wether you like it or not

[@johannessmith3587]

Fact is we want our land back. We will get it back sooner or later we will

[@augustajacobs7974]

they have nothing to argue they cant even speak properly !

[@augustajacobs7974]

omw! playing round and round we go! s...tup!

[@Sakohma54]

I learn everyday by following the politics of South Africa, this gives me hugs to go beyond it and read history of the this world, and on what I've read, I've compared it to what my grandmother thought me may her soul rest in peace

[@lesegogaolaolwe9599]

Blacks are oppressed in Europe, USA and native Africa...this is so painful. Lets liberate ourselves Africa. Africaforum's agenda is so wicked...

[@shootayibyukhrabaytak674]

Bravo, bravo Mr. Roets.............beautifully said, truthful, based on facts, justice, common sense and a good shot at the racism of the EFF/ANC...keep up your intelligent , eloquent speeches that call out the racism and ignorance of the blacks.........."drunk on ideology" and racism, hatred and total ignorance

[@thabomathabatha4808]

Shootayib Yukhrabaytak it was once said that the earth is flat. This was fact.

[@shootayibyukhrabaytak674]

Yes, until white people proved it wrong through intelligence, questioning, ambition and a thirst for knowledge

[@John5209]

Thabo Mathabatha . Eish!! Says he of those who never even invented the wheel. No worries mate, the Chinese are here already. 20 years at most, and they Will rule you bumbling big mouths.

[@karenhayes8150]

Excuse me? He said nothing about ignorance of "the blacks" Afriforum was adressing the racism & true agenda of the EFF & ANC. Afriforum are not a racist organization, please dont insinuate that they are.

[@shootayibyukhrabaytak674]

Oh no, not at all - I don't think Afriforum is racist. I support them wholeheartedly. They are trying with great effort to work with the ANC/EFF in spite of the hatred of the blacks (most) toward whites and their refusal to get over it and get on with their lives.......... however I do think the black politicians I have listened to on KZbin are ignorant - totally........they are obsessed with "colonialism".......are we debating events 300 to 400 years ago???? The "expropriation of land without compensation" is the greatest racist event since Hitler and the Nazi's took everything from the Jews..........and Mr. Roets did call out the obsession of the ANC/EFF with white people's "crimes".....the black politicians are very much like the "Black Lives Matter" extremists in the US............how does this black woman know what land was open in 1652??? The indigenous blacks didn't have a written language until white people wrote their language down in order to communicate .......I see no way to cooperate with the ANC or EFF..........they call SA a democratic state?!?!?!?! they try to pretend farm murders don't happen.......lies, lies come from them........hatred and...........one white politician is condemning Afriforum for being racist and ignoring the farm murders and hatred toward whites.........are white people resorting to "kissing ass" to hope they will be tolerated by these monstrously hateful blacks........they call Roets arrogant?!?!?! "We need to come together as a nation......." tell that to the ANC/EFF...........blacks don't want a restorative justice......they want revenge.........these white politicians are behaving like frightened fools

[@kennethvolwana7799]

Racism is a systematic thing in SA and it is getting sophisticated by the day.

[@stevenwatermeyer2730]

The logic of some of these people is simply Astounding - !!! You can't go forward or progress with thoughts like these - Surely !!!

[@anderou7073]

The scary thing is this is they are in parliament. Disgrace. Easy to understand why the country is in the state it's in.

[@grahampaice5696]

Steven Watermeyer: that`s why we are in a recession

[@M1ke22]

Absolute best part... "I have had many strawman arguments used against me".... Lady from ANC : "Hey Wena, you cannot call me a strawman" HAHAHA

[@axemanfink3228]

can someone place that part in another video that was classic . whole world should enjoy our members of parliament.

[@enotes9]

That was hilarious. What a shame they are to Africans like ourselves. We have to work to remove them before we have nothing left to save.

[@bijosn]

She doesn't know what a strawman is, lol.

[@Neo_Rain146]

That's the level of intelligence in the ANC

[@moosesnWoop]

This video is full of LOLS - the chairman's "No, eheh, no no, neh eh" and the Extreme Left comment right in the beginning!

[@optimistic5778]

Afriforum on point as usual. The state must seriously listen to our civil organisations more so we can increase the middle income group and have a more successful economy.

[@lebok1594]

Your civil organisation is irrelevant and we are coming for the land... Keep hiding behind fake profiles because that is the only power have

[@davidphatudi6987]

We don't need success economy only land blustery thief Boers tym is here u ll run to were u came from or ur grandfather said come frm

[@janvannkandla3183]

That is not what the state want. They want to destroy the middle class because it poses a real threat to them when there is a strong middle class. Did you not hear Zuma refer to them in a very derogatory manner as ''Cleva Blacks'' because they do not fall for the Government's lies and incompetence anymore?

[@Geraldbux0401]

Shivambo, keepin it real...

[@jjproudlysa2226]

I have followed these proceedings closely. Joined Afriforum after their presentation. It is sad that not all members of parliament are properly educated. They only represent their party’s dictatorship, which is not open to democratic discussion. Well said Afriforum, the facts speak for themselves, although sadly ignored. History will judge the failure of the current government, when people cry and starve of hunger. All we can do, is to attempt to help steer this, once wonderful country as our future unfolds and history is written!

[@Glucoperon]

A full on genocide is comming. How can people not see this?? Once starvation sets in whites will be slaughtered in the streets

[@eazyfm3685]

Ernst Roets tells the truth but the problem is people are angry and when you are angry you are ruled by your emotions

[@Olcool]

What truth yet South Africa had international boundaries before whites arrived. How can land within borders be said to belong to noone?.

[@Marcel-ne1ew]

Once again this just shows that these people do not care about your facts or findings. To say all the land was stolen is absurd, but because they are the majority they can say what they want and everyone will believe it. Even if they know it's not the truth, but this is all about revenge for them.

[@Speed-shooter]

kenny king Will all the blacks leave Europe and America? Seems everyone would be happy with the swop?

[@ABC-tx3fk]

It's justice, call it revenge if you like. What's wrong with justice for all those atrocities & evil committed against Afrikans?

[@Mrs.T305]

100% agreed!!! Marcel

[@ABC-tx3fk]

Bernard Mew No, let them stay there, occupy unused land & be left in peace.

[@PRSA1212]

So lets say you killed me, would it be fare if your great grand child gets sent to jail for the murder you committed? I don't think that is justice or fare. I am not saying something should not be done to correct what our history has caused today, but justice and revenge were due to the whites who committed their crimes not their ancestors. Lets talk just and fare solutions not revenge or justice on crimes committed by people long time dead.OR we just cause divisions.

[@kabzaify]

The fact is the land will be taken, like it or not

[@vusizwane5319]

My Name is Vusi Zwane,I'm South African and Black( not only that I'm Zulu)...I suggest in 2019 we wake up to vote but don't tick anything in that ballot box instead find some open space and write "we want a completely new government". We need to get rid of all of these people all of them. History is terrible but repeating it just shows how emotional our government has become...logic should always come first..it pains me to know that white south africans have oppressed us for so long but for some reason, This young man sounds smarter and more logical then all of them put together simply by just avoiding getting emotional. The ANC has always been a revolutionary party they thrive in a fighting environment n the EFF (a break away faction of the ANC) just can't stand peace...I respect my veterans but goddamnit

[@samkelwathabethe8537]

Uyanya wena mlungu. You are not black.

[@vusizwane5319]

Truth Is Comrades don't belong in parliament

[@aijamanpirlo2736]

I might be against Ernst's point of view but I would like to give some constructive criticism. I so wish he can be able to choose his words wisely and be able to present his point of view without inviting some back-lashing. In his presentation he made some good points but lack the wheel to convey it correctly. That's where his weak point is. I follow this guy and listen to his arguments. I just wish I can remove the element of superiority in his mind so that he can debate with clear mind!!! He can be good in debates.

[@pensiveculture9813]

He had good points and I believe this could have turned in a better two way conversation. But the way he uses words 🤕🤕🤕🤕

[@pmaphala6848]

Afriforum for the first time got a proper and fitting roasting

[@seanbouw]

This Afriforum guy is very strong. The DA needs strong guys like this to get through and under the skin of the Opposition Party. The Clarity Responses / Questions was Pre-meditated

[@leandergrobler9911]

The DA opposes his views, so they are clearly not interested in recruiting someone with his school of thought.

[@bathos22]

Is he really making the false equivalence that colonizers who bulldozed their way into countries is the same as Africans who emigrated legally to Europe? His arguments are flawed.

[@nhlakaniphonhlaka1533]

Unlike the Europeans in Africa, Black people in Europe didn’t steal any land.

[@petero8200]

When was land stolen in South Africa? Are you talking about conquered land?

[@nhlakaniphonhlaka1533]

Piero Oconovar when conquering land in Africa was it done in a humane manner

[@jacocoetzee8659]

Yes Piero, obviously conquered land in Africa was executed humanly. They took big fluffy ostrich feathers and tickled each other into submission.

[@Kavali3r]

the EFF is scared... starting with silly matters like a camera

[@moosesnWoop]

"Don't undermine us" lmfao

[@fransdav5573]

moosesnWoop123 Your type undermine yourself. It should be simple to understand.

[@6killer426]

Kavali3r You Goddamn right they’re scared and that includes Jewlius Malema. He about shit his drawers over Trump’s tweets.

[@josiaskimoto169]

its not silly matter its part of the rule of the house ... why are you calling it silly matter is it because it involves afriforum... lol

[@Kavali3r]

@@josiaskimoto169 which the presenters obtained permission for, but like toddlers throwing a tantrum the telletubies in red got their way

[@ZergRadio]

1st time I ever watch an entire video of SA parliament. Was interesting listening to liars and they such....

[@Sebastian_Shaw_X6]

South African parliamentarians are emotional to the extent where their judgement is clouded...

[@BronxWavy]

23m:00s Hon Philtane🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Enough said!

[@matthewmuller8768]

As a white south african I love u all very much end of story

[@fritzdit7829]

The words....kangaroo court come to mind.

[@ikannunaplays]

Not quite but it looks like it could possibly go that way very easily. All those there were being emotional instead of listening, understanding, reflecting, and then formulating a response. Most didn't even listen carefully to what was said. Emotions are too high strung for anyone to agree on a solution, everyone needs to work better at removing emotions from the talks.

[@jpkoen3308]

Literally each and every one of the MPs' comments were straw man arguments where they totally misrepresented what Ernst said and attacked his character.

[@lalie2263]

Utterly disappointing to see the lack of intellect, lack of historical knowledge, lack of decorum. If this is what sits in Parliament then no wonder they made such a mess of this country and will continue to make with yet again another hare brained scheme.

[@zefaniakooks1659]

Straw men want the whole world to believe there is a white genocide in South Africa.

[@jpkoen3308]

@@zefaniakooks1659 I don't remember Afriforum ever advocating that there is a white genocide in SA. But they have brought attention to farm attacks and farm murders.

[@pieroochonobhar4628]

Zefania Kooks Afriforum never mentioned white genocide. Perhaps its your guilty conscience speaking. I would contend that it may be ethnic cleansing

[@zefaniakooks1659]

Honestly, saying "our people" makes you a racist President?? how could any correct thinking person make that sort of correlation? The truth is that there seems to be a culture of intolerance in Afrikaans community even against their own people. It can be endearing because you can stand together in principle for certain believes which mostly center around preserving Afrikaner ideals but its highly dangerous because you can be easily misled! Most free thinking Afrikaner people are highly ostracized for a having a different view from the herd mentality and as a result are mentally imprisoned while being conditioned to accept substandard or inferior cognitive patterns of thought ! Your individualism or the freedom to test new thought patterns is stolen from you under the guise of being a trots Afrikaner boel! and more often than not, an Afrikaner who is not brave enough to claim that individualism often finds him or herself having to hide their love or interest from anything that's not Afrikaans oriented ! In this thread alone, Steve Swarts is ostracized by some people for expressing disappontment in the presentation. That's cruel!

[@morenapitso1695]

Naturally a very emotive issue. History has indeed placed a great burden on us. We are all a product of this history, and our views on this matter clearly indicates this.

[@fransdav5573]

Thanks Ernst, i am very proud of you because you have handled yourself very good amongst a group of ..................

[@AWK_667]

Yikes. I thought my Detroit Board of Education (and city hall) meetings were silly, but this is middle schoolers playing student senate.

[@janvannkandla3183]

LoL Yip that is how they roll - down hill all the way to destruction. It seems to be a DNA thing..........

[@leandergrobler9911]

Remember to send aid when the "starving kids in Africa" commercials roll!

[@bilboswaggings1826]

Your probably a very sad person

[@siyabongasibiya9471]

Good speech Mr Roets ....i would like us on a solution, Fact is a black person was disadvantaged in this country but can we stop fighting let's focus on a solution

[@lelobikitsha8144]

I could've debated this bloke a whole lot better than these politicians 🤦

[@optimistic5778]

Those opposing Afriforum's presentation repeat the same things, such as "arrogance", land was not "vacant". Which land was not vacant and where? Consult the archives. Cite where land was taken by conquest. They come without any supporting facts. Very counter productive. In a place such as parliament one must be as specific as possible. The ANC and EFF are being as broad as possible. Edit: Ernst was definitely on the attack, but it is well deserved as the ANC has been blatently looting state coffers and have been neglecting their job for too long. This whole land thing was their desparate attempt at staying in power. Maybe the ANC will actually do their job and process the land claims after this, if they dont decide to destroy the whole country with appropriation without compensation. Ofcourse they couldn't dispute any of the facts afriforum put forward.

[@kennyking6718]

Make Africa great again president malema

[@pmolapo]

Saddest thing is that you're hiding your name, what do you fear ?

[@bijosn]

I suppose the berlin conference , native land act, group areas act, apartheid, dispossession of over 3.5million blacks into homelands never happened???

[@thatomogane2941]

What about burning of evidence and dead witnesses funny how people ask for evidence that they know has been destroyed 😭

[@madsm1254]

@@bijosn surprise surprise even some whites were disposessed during apartheid.

[@ludwemadolo8161]

1. You know, I've listened thoughtfully to the Afriforum guy...I may not agree with some of the things he says but there is truth in what he's saying. 2. And we need to get rid of all these old people in parliament and get young, educated blood, people who can make substantial arguments or objections.

[@enoelr]

Well done Ernst!

[@drzl]

His whole argument was "black people can't farm"

[@Proud-ones]

He said by conquest maybe black South African should unite and conquer white south African to end this bs

[@brendanbower]

What a ending... Absolutely brilliant!!!

[@AndreasdeV308]

Dankie Ernst Roets.

[@mastre8886]

Psalms 2:1-12 Waarom is daar onrus onder die volke, Waarom smee die nasies planne - en dit tevergeefs? Die konings van die aarde is in opstand, die leiers span saam teen die Here en teen Sy gesalfde en sê: "Kom ons maak ons vry en gooi hulle juk af!" Hy wat in die hemel woon, lag hulle uit, die Here spot met hulle. Hy spreek hulle aan in Sy toorn, in Sy gramskap jaag Hy hulle op loop: "Dit is Ek wat hom as my koning gesalf het op Sion, my heilige berg." Ek wil vertel wat die Here aangekondig het. Hy het vir my gesê: "Jy is my seun, van vandag af is Ek jou Vader. Vra My, en Ek gee volke vir jou as eiendom, die hele aarde as jou besitting, Jy sal hulle verpletter met jou ystersepter, hulle flenters slaan soos n kleipot." Wees dan nou verstandig, konings, wees gewaarsku, regeerders van die aarde! Julle moet die Here met ontsag dien, Hom met vrees en bewing toejuig en Hom onderdanig wees, sodat Hy nie toornig word en julle op die pad omkom nie, want Sy toorn ontvlam gou. Dit gaan goed met almal wat by Hom skuiling soek.

[@keithmudzengerere6679]

Good conclusion from the toddler racist. He's smart after all. What he said is true and it has to be taken seriously by these corrupt politicians.

[@mondligasa6583]

I see a lot of commenters saying earnest is presenting the facts...There is no truth in what is saying..he is just obsessed with blaming the ANC and EFF... by the way the anc and eff have not failed the people of south Africa... the government is doing the best it can to help South Africans given the limited resources and budget it has... I do not agree With Ernst. I do acknowledge that a long period of time has passed on without addressing this serous matter of land, Which I think is going to lead us as a country TO A very disadvantage side if not handled properly... Ernset is quiet right to say that there has to be a form of compensation given for the land...But What I don't agree with him on is his totally abolishing of the process of land reform. he has gone some considerable lengths to prevent a democratic course from taking place...and that is something that worries me as a south African... I don't want to take the racist approach or ignorant approach for this matter and any matter, and all of us we shouldn't do it.. what I'm suggesting we should do..we need to come together as South Africans and unite for the democratic course to take effect which is going to ensure that we all benefit as humans and as native South Africans, black and white, and allow the expropriation of land without compensation to take effect. JUST LIKE THAT!!!!

[@paulfreed6394]

Afriform rocks!

[@ditharemachabaphala7570]

You think so?

[@ntsakomarete3437]

Dithare Machabaphala you know you love them. Don't deny it

[@DrTHABANGHDIOBE]

Give me Floyd Shivambu's no. I wanna call him. The guy issa legent.

[@yvettebrown9126]

I AM SURE BELGIUM DID NOT HAVE EVER INCH OF LAND OCCUPIED, WOULD THEY ACCEPT PEOPLE COMING IN AND CAPTURED THESE AREAS.

[@morne98]

Great presentation and sorry to see the attacks from our mps and leaders. Their perception became their reality. Remember: “Woe to those who scheme iniquity, Who work out evil on their beds! When morning comes, they do it, For it is in the power of their hands. They covet fields and then seize them, And houses, and take them away. They rob a man and his house, A man and his inheritance. Therefore thus says the LORD, "Behold, I am planning against this family a calamity From which you cannot remove your necks; And you will not walk haughtily, For it will be an evil time.” ‭‭Micah‬ ‭2:1-3‬ ‭NASB‬‬

[@toty_info9646]

😂😂😂

[@welcomesibiya6766]

Mr Rhodes got them quite.....eh eh eh Chair hahaha

[@torent7790]

you cannot argue against the fact. even if it does not feel good

[@bijosn]

berlin conference , native land act, bantu education, group areas act, apartheid, dispossession of over 3.5million blacks into homelands...these are facts.

[@moeletsiwabatho1410]

thats why your pic profile is an old SA flag which has no place in this current democracy...

[@moeletsiwabatho1410]

To me the flag you flying high do you know what it represent to the people of South Africa?

[@torent7790]

your symbels and flags and slurrs to justify your action is far worse.

[@torent7790]

@@moeletsiwabatho1410 its a flag. its my flag. you have your right to opinion and so do I.

[@Andre1705able]

This is what IQ of above 100 vs IQ of below 70 sounds like.

[@578sundriedAZ]

You look the part. empty polyester suit. empty suit Reasons of how and why the pink obtained land.

[@rothnieoosthuizen3728]

Come on, I'm sure Roets' IQ is above 70, surely.

[@phiwokuhleqwabe2097]

If you think those studies for iq accounted for language barriers and economic situation when testing for the average iq of an average population, well then you must have a low iq yourself.

[@phiwokuhleqwabe2097]

@@raffaelrueckert388 got any citations to prove that? Which studies in particular because that is bullshit. You should read 'white brain, black brain'.

[@Steve-by4uf]

Lol, c'mon Phiwikuhle Qwabe - this video clearly shows everybody on that panel attacked Ernst' person and not his ideas. It's not about their English - it's about their arguments, and they had zero! I don't think that the guys from the EFF necessarily have low IQs, but they definitely appeal to those with lower IQs, they know how to argue in a way that will resonate with their low IQ/poorly educated voting base. Which is a pretty smart and devious tactic! You sound like a thinking person Qwabe. Surely you can see right through their bullshit?

[@tordy]

HE MENTIONED KFC! THE MADMAN!

[@tshiamishogopane633]

Say it Vervoot. It's funny they never regarded him as a mad man when they were ripping the rewards. And Mohad Kardaffi was never a mad man of the middle East, look at what they are now.

[@spykerhond7008]

why these two vikings in our parliament ?

[@Trokkie_03]

For a government who is for equality and democracy they talk a lot about our people which refers to Black south Africans . And about skipping democratic process like skipping public arguments and changing the constitution to thier wants and needs at the expense of a minority

[@ingedagte]

Well done Afriforum, you called out and triggered these members of parliament. They were so upset that someone showed them a mirror and they didn't like what they saw. Then started to attack the person who gave them a mirror.

[@thatdarnkitteh]

6%. Just 6% has been transferred to the hands of poor black farmers? Aaaaand everyone blames Zuma alone.

[@brucemcdonald11]

I have yet to see a single rational argument advanced to counter what Roets says. To this point we get the usual ANC / EFF pap appealing to people with an IQ of 40 by attacks on his character, etc. Then there is 'tut-tutting' of the DA / ACDP members - still not cogent argument.

[@Rikusm1]

Ons benodig meer mense soos Mnr. Roets in hierdie land

[@clintonraubenheimer5879]

How is it that one mans statement had more information and justified motivation than an entire panel of opposition, who did not give a single solution or show how land reform is beneficial in any way. They clearly have an agenda that is more important than the state of the country. Watch the body language and it speaks volumes. No doubt what our forefathers did may not have been the best solution, but it did allow for the growth of the country that it is today. Why destroy the whole thing for vengeance. It's like the story of the two mothers from the bible who both claimed the baby to be their own, one mother wanted to spare the baby, the other was prepared to cut it in half. Which do you think loved the baby more? As a South African I do not wish to see this country (my country of birth) to be torn apart, by the likes of a few people who only seek to have their own needs or desires to be met. The insanity of repeating something and expecting different results is not the example of south africa, but other countries like Zimbabwe who tried the EXACT same thing and failed miserably. Don't make the same mistake. I am near the end of my life and dont have children that will have to be subjected to this failing country, but for the sake of those who do, don't act on what happened in the past, as you would only be cutting off your nose to spite your face. Lets take what we have and find a solution that is beneficial to all. All to often in this country we destroy what we cant get. We dont get free schools, burn them. The cost of public transport goes up,, burn buses and trains. We get given a business, we loot someone else's. The girl doesnt like you, rape her. He has what you want, kill him and take it. These things bring destruction and not growth!

[@Mx26084]

Land will eventually belong to the majority, the problem is that we are ruled by very old people who are still traumatized by apartheid. Civil war is without a doubt coming in the near future what goes around comes around. The young will pay for there fathers sins.

[@siphumelelekhulemkhize9689]

It is sure coming, there is no avoiding it. I feel sorry for us with small kids and nowhere to run to. Whatever happens it's time this matter is resolved. If it means death so be it.

[@bobcoughlan929]

Why go to the effort of responding to a steel-man argument, when straw-men take so much less effort to knock down? You can feel so powerful and self-righteous while taking spectacular flying swings and kicks at a straw-man. Just a pity that attacking straw-men exposes intellectual weakness, and appeals to emotion, rather than solid reasoning.

[@bobcoughlan929]

Try again Patrick. This time without so much knee-jerk assumption.

[@bobcoughlan929]

Kick and punch those straw-men to your heart's content Patrick, if that's what makes you feel better. Oh, and in case you are as woefully confused as some of the MPs, and think that straw-man is some kind of slur, look it up buddy.

[@bobcoughlan929]

Gr8 B8 M8

[@Kavali3r]

What an arguement. and yes, you won't agree with sound reason and logic if it's against what you "think" is right

[@nakampelekwadu6723]

This little boy (Ernst Roet) has been put to his place, however he has a number of points in his solution on issues such as dis-functional education system on most black schools, cutting down on some gov departments which are useless and so on.

[@christienscheepers2915]

LOVE AFRIFORUM !

[@dclcreative]

Steve, you are dead to me. Don't ever ask anything of me ever again, ACDP.

[@fuckingSickOfCreepyG]

ACDP are essentially DA now, they are disappearing as they have no discourse. The alternatives are obvious.

[@Beastinvader]

I always considered the ACDP to be the most level headed. The FF+, for all their good policies, are definitely too divisive. The ACDP was or is the only really multiracial party: the EFF and ANC goes for blacks, the FF+ for whites, the DA caters for both sides opportunistically, but the ACDP went for everyone. But they are too spineless. What did Afriforum do that is against building relations? I need to get out of this place!

[@fuckingSickOfCreepyG]

Fence sitting is not allowed when they are talking openly about grabbing land. The ACDP are done. Maybe Cape independence is the way out, certainly not DA either.

[@Beastinvader]

Done? Definitely. I just checked, over the last couple of elections the ACDP share of the vote has been falling: 2004: 1.60% 2009: 0.81% 2014: 0.57% 2016: 0.39% After today they will lose the little bit they had. They did not have to support him either. They could have kept quiet (the cowards way) or at least just be factual, like "We respect your time, please explain this" all in a polite manner instead of accusing him of being divisive and basically unchristian.

[@moosesnWoop]

The COPE lady was to the point "Is there a solution"

[@punkhunk1723]

Wow - he said 1. open land; 2. bought land 3. conquest, yet these people all twist his words as if he said that all land was empty and just ignore the following two points he mentioned.

[@khotsoeric1856]

"You are drunk in hatred and contempt"??? That's a bold statement from an Afriforum deputy president

[@Beastinvader]

37:52 Christians are not called to be pacifists and to endorse injustice. To make peace would be to convince people of the truth, to reconcile. Not encourage division and speak against those speaking out against injustice.

[@bhekumuzigwala]

I weep for my beloved country 😭😭😭

[@mongies.dlamini6998]

Somebody has been set straight, at least there is hope for co operation with regards to some members of Parliament.

[@ingedagte]

Ernst for president!

[@vee5881]

The privilege ,he insinuates that tax payers are white people only, he admits his privilege by calling himself and his counterparts the wealthy majority. yeyi abelungu

[@kingmufasa8929]

EFF is right, but the opposition does not like to hear the truth!

[@mariomulder3153]

Ernst Roets , thank you for being a reasonable person between a lot of insane people , greedy people who would see millions suffer to enrich themselves . Its totally unbelievable for me that the ANC -EFF can't realize what the consequences of their actions would be if their goals gets accomplished . Thank you for your truthful straightforward talking , for being ' arrogant ' !

[@groenrizla2513]

Such a pity that Roets could not have the chance to answer every point made by each member but he has many times in many other talks and debates and it's on KZbin for anyone to watch. History is among the most important of subjects to know and understand, what a shame the majority both black and white, do not know their own history. What a shame that only a tiny fraction of those in the rest of the world know the complex history of South Africa and the people. Firstly the Boers were never colonists, they fought against the colonial rulers and their first freedom struggle dates back to 1795 against Dutch rule. Secondly the Boer nation was born in Africa ! Never have the Boers existed in Europe, no different to the Zulu nation never have existed in Central Africa. This is common sense. Even a white person in America, from European decent is considered American and the Boers have just as much right to land in Africa as any other black tribe in Africa. Another absolutely ridiculous lie is that the Boers oppressed other nations when in fact they were the ones being oppressed. The Boers did not devise nor pass Apartheid as it was invented by the British then later expanded upon during the 1950s mainly by the non-Boer descended Cape based Afrikaners who were often on the side of the British during the Anglo-Boer War and still the propaganda lies of the white nationalist Afrikaner, Broederbond, colonial supporting government exist and upon this false premise enables the ANC to push forward their communist agenda. This entire land debate is flawed and it cannot be amended until people start learning the truth about South African history. We cannot even get the debate off the floor to even begin talking about the more intricate and complicated matters revolving around this topic. The land issue must be dealt with and the rightful owners of the land must get their land back. This is not a new issue in South Africa as Roets surely will explain if ever given the chance. The fact of the matter is that the Afrikaner government apartheid laws were based upon the British apartheid laws and the new South Africa apartheid laws were based upon the previous. Nothing has changed. The apartheid system today is in the exact same state as it was since they were created and this is evident by the borders of South Africa today. I urge people to research the history.

[@starz5895]

Zimbabwe dosnt have enough money in circulation, but they have land. They dont have food but they have land. They dont have jobs but they have land. They dont have fuel but they have land. You want to get your land back hoping you will be able to yield the same results and wealth. dont be dull

[@namzaranamzara273]

Please tell us how many Zimbabweans have died of starvation so far?

[@thatdarnkitteh]

That "I'm not a strawman" will go down in history.

[@suminthraramsuran724]

Wish she was smart enough to understand what he meant.ay bo.These are our brilliant politicians sitting in parliament

[@clintonraubenheimer5879]

Roets' closing statement if sincere is one that I 100% agree with.

[@peter-johndejong9880]

You cant debate facts with them

[@pantherninjalulu]

Well done Ernst you have balls love ya !!!

[@akiban2842]

South Africa is a great nation!

[@mafiozoerasmus978]

MR ROETS PLZ TELL WHERE DO YOU GET THIS FACTS ILL LIKE THE FACTS PLZ

[@Kavali3r]

Whahahaha this EFF teltubbie is funny lol lol lol

[@janvannkandla3183]

Not funny! Scary!!

[@Kavali3r]

@@janvannkandla3183 indeed, actually

[@GeorgeOfTheJungle.]

CLASSIC!!.... CANT STOP LAUGHING!! - LOOK AT 40:10 TO 40:13 - LITTLE WHITE MAN WITH A BEARD, CLEAN CUT AND SPECTACLES THINKING TO HIMSELF "I would have more luck getting through to a brick then this committee!"

[@ndih1991]

EFF has to win the elections!!

[@ntsakomarete3437]

Eff masepoes

[@bohlalemaduna864]

You guys should put dates on this things

[@bethuelmogwaneng9825]

Powerful words from two white men there🙌🙌

[@bethuelmogwaneng9825]

Lol copied comrade

[@BillyBob-vh8sw]

And this is why Africa is the only continent where they never invented the wheel!

[@dgordon6694]

70 IQ in evidence here!

[@fransdav5573]

Z Gordon I think you over estimate, it is more like 20 IQ people that just awake from sleep.

[@keoagilemotshologane7387]

😂😂😂😂we getting the Land you Fools

[@ntsakomarete3437]

Keoagile Motshologane is not land. It blonvs to the khoisan. You should start moving back to central africa where your ancestors came from 🤣😂

[@annavanstraaten971]

I hope that this message will reach every south african. GOD is our creator and created us with freedom of choice whether we want to serve HIM or not, HE came as man to pay for all our sins so we may have eternal life. Life after death is a certaintity with only 2 destinations heaven or hell. Without JESUS you must accept the fact that you will land up in hell where your torment will never ever end, Are you prepared to suffer for ever and ever??? Racism is a sin as we insult GOD for HIS creation.. I have many black friends that love the LORD and we never have a problem and help each other when in need. so accept the fact that we can live in harmony

[@tshiamishogopane633]

Such a hypocritical issue boers claim to be God faring but are held accountable for mass murder. So don't come here hoping to qwell us down. You undermine our intelligence.

[@Appregator]

Good news ! Afriforum and COPE decided to join hands to oppose EWC

[@lettagama6205]

VIVA SHIVAMBU!!!!!

[@tonyiandiplock5825]

The whole debate is not about land, it is about buying votes with other people's property because you are bankrupt due to corruption and theft.

[@ronaldrotich78]

I didn't know that borehole technology was cutting edge!

[@johannnell8884]

Long live Afriforum

[@christianstander5452]

Mr Roets for President

[@leratomphaka3832]

Afriforum gave no solutions here but instead came with altered history and began lambasting the leadership. What are the solutions chief?

[@sizwedungulu8845]

Lerato Mphaka hi gal

[@Ferds]

Thank you Ernst!

[@errandszaservices107]

EFF all ways raises good points

[@manokosekuba3606]

I am proudly south African citizens,, no one could be interfering in our own goods ,"" live our country pls :::