Ernst Roets in debate on racism and white privilege in South Africa

[@filipepombeiro7704]

Great solution. "We will take back our land and we will have a better society and fix the problem!" So simple - worked like charm in Zimbabwe!

[@themburoyalty2179]

I love how they did it in Zimbabwe..

[@ArkOmen1]

Warrior Goddess and once again, there is no such thing as reverse racism...

[@heaty007]

Warrior Goddess Take your land back brother. Life is good in Zimbabwe. We have 99%literacy and we eat organic food and the whether is amazing. We banned GMO and we don't have a Rothchild bank. I think we are doing very well.

[@cindylee3147]

Yes.. Zim is a perfect example! SERIOUSLY? 😂

[@johnwilliams3423]

US had sanctions on zimbabwe to make sure it doesnt move forward

[@tomcruize3119]

I am astonished! what i just saw was 2 racists and a white guy in the middle... wow!

[@wite9177]

+Black Pride Well done! once again you proved that blacks can indeed be racist.... read my comment above...please... you can have your land... you have already rendered it useless!

[@svt3941]

Robert Wussah take all your black mates out of the rest of the white world and see how you survive, South Africa will be no more if the whites leave, period, just look at every black area, city and countries

[@tenor001grande8]

Ofcourse you'd see that.

[@dineomolapo2257]

+Cindy Barnard hahaha foool in your dreams .

[@math97003]

The white guy is racist as well

[@watgaanhieraan]

Oh the irony is beautiful, Andile being racist and then claiming he cannot be because he is black.

[@fredbarbarossa2200]

+watgaanhieraan Andile is arrogant to boot... He has so many chips on each shoulder I can smell the vinegar through the monitor!

[@watgaanhieraan]

+Black Pride As a group they are the richest per capita that means they are successful not oppressive. They were oppressive during Apartheid now however they are not in power anymore. I am uncomfortable with misdirected black rage just like I am uncomfortable with misdirected white rage. Black South Africans can most definitely affect other ethnic groups as they are the majority and the have almost total political power. Your own statement implies that Zulu's have enough military power to through whites out I have no idea how you assume that means they have no power.

[@watgaanhieraan]

+watgaanhieraan Imeant throw out not through out.

[@watgaanhieraan]

+Black Pride So now you have switched from being the victim to being the tough guy with all the power very amusing psychology you have there.

[@TsireledzoNR]

yes

[@OriginalXfyre]

In the 3000 years since the end of the Stone Age, the indigenous people of Africa could not manage to create an infrastructure, could not mine or produce export, could, in fact not succeed in building anything higher than one story and could not write down anything as reference for future generations, because they could not manage to master the art of writing. In fact, when the first Europeans arrived on 6 April 1652 it was 1974 years after Ptolemy and built the magnificent library of Alexandria - and in Southern Africa the indigenous people still could do no more than a few rock paintings and a clay pot with patterns on it.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

The average IQ in Africa is around 73. You can't overcome that.

[@MaletjeM]

You need to go back to your history and find your feet. You are misinformed. If writing is the standard then you using one measure of progress at the risk of undermining other ways of capturing knowledge.

[@timoffreethought580]

When you make people believe that they can't be racist they sure make some racist comments

[@abeikukimani8565]

Why don't you just give them back their lands????

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

It's not their lands. Most blacks in South Africa are recent immigrants, they're not native to the land in any way. Whites have been there longer. And whites built everything of value on that land. Before whites arrived, natives were living in mud huts and producing nothing. @@abeikukimani8565

[@bobcoughlan929]

Very telling how Eusebius gives Andile a pass on his televised threats against Ernst.

[@Demonic217]

"I've never seen a criminal accepting they are a criminal, I've never seen a thief accepting they are a thief" - Isn't this what happens someone admits guilt in court ?

[@darkangelw8472]

You get freeloaders, racists and arseholes in all groups, just saying. Have had it from all race groups

[@emmanueldevinesadeep2104]

Even white people refuse that they are racist

[@EdwinObindja]

Until they get to court, They never accept that they're thief or criminal but instead they lie or trying to blame it on others or their victim. Even in court they still denied it and that's what this Ersnt Roets is doing.

[@ferlandpetrus2157]

You are dead wrong!!!!!admission of guilt and admission that the prosecution has enough evidence to prosecute you is not one an the same thing. In court defendants do the latter

[@ferlandpetrus2157]

Ernst and those who think as he does are dead wrong!!!!!admission of guilt and admission that the prosecution has enough evidence to prosecute you is not one an the same thing. In court defendants do the latter. In court, defendants are not admitting guilt when pleading, they are admitting to the evidentiary standard of the court, and that prosecution has sufficient cause and evidence to prosecute

[@Demonic217]

"Black people cannot be racist" - What a joke...

[@guillaumerusengo9371]

Racism is about structure not acts. Blacks can be motivated by hatred towards whites or be racially motivated and commit heinous violent acts. There's a massive nuance in regards to Racism. Racism, to show how it's structural I'll suggest you look at Apartheid or Jim Crow. Perfect examples.

[@muhammedalsalman9853]

no, my friend. It,s not a joke. But if you want a joke, I could say that the whites under persecution and racism are a complete joke!

[@muhammedalsalman9853]

not filled with it as much as you my friend!

[@jacquesdelaharpe804]

xb whatever You are lost. Go check the statistics.

[@for111]

@xb whatever I didn't realise that my Father was a serial killer - I'll have to ask him about that next time I speak to him... In all seriousness, rants like yours are not really worth engaging with to any level of depth. I will say though that I'm happy that you have admitted that every race on Earth has done those things and, as a consequence, your original post was, by your own admittance, complete shit. Honestly though, wait until the Chinese colonise Africa in the coming decades. You'll be begging for the whites back.

[@lorettefreese3580]

As usual Eusebius attacks the player and not the ball. Why? Is it because he has only shallow arguments?

[@aftonspeaks8313]

Eusebius wiped the floor with Ernst and you know it very well

[@Eio7]

Ad hominem attacks are always evidence of having lost the debate!😅

[@jpdevill278]

I disagree about white previledge. I as a white male was dispossed of my property and could not find work. I found myself on the streets and worked myself up again. I worked as a gardner an electrician and animal breeder and stayed on streets and in shelters and I worked my way up again. So I deserve my Pension every month. Due to injuries sustained during my hard labour. Popped knee Septic Orthritis, cracked ribs, beatings and blind in the left eye. I as a white person deserve my pension and place in the white shelter.

[@ktogoville99]

Totally wrong and I surely do disagree, White Privilege does exist in many ways as you White people it doesn't matter your status always feel the need to come to Black people's vicinity and harass them or do them harm as surely justice won't be taken. But if the other way around, of course, we the Black will be called criminals, thugs. I almost forgot we'll also get locked up and jailed for so many years. White privileges aren't just in the economic and financial and academic field and of course, maybe you lost your house and all and never have the opportunity to comfortable lifestyle but when to come to us Black is all because of our skin color. They treat us like animals I mean you White people treat us that way. Remember the apartheid, the low budget pay when it comes to Black farmers, the murdering of Black farmers. People like you will be going about saying racism doesn't exist all because few Blacks are educated and in high places. Even at such status, they still do experience racism, and what about the poor Black who are being killed and harassed by the White policeman. Let me tell you a Black man is hated everywhere. So stop lying and using yourself as a fault example.

[@llllllblodllllll]

I didn't realise Eusebius was so racist.

[@CRISTIANOCR7RONNNALDO]

Eusebius is a Joke

[@kennethvolwana7799]

what do you expect from a oers8like him

[@llllllblodllllll]

@@kennethvolwana7799 I dono what "oers8like" means. Honestly, I expect people to use their cognitive faculties to look at things more objectively instead of relying on ridiculous emotional arguments and tribalistic reflexes to derive their conclusions.

[@kennethvolwana7799]

@@llllllblodllllll I wanted to say a "person like him". You are on point and I respect your superior logic when looking at things. Many won't understand you.

[@ktogoville99]

Are you sure you're not supporting Ernst Roets? Maybe you don't? Hold on I believe yourself is the same as Roets "Racist". Who importing the Black for Atlantic trade, the colonialism imperialism, Apartheid in South Africa and Jim Crow in the USA ? The White people.

[@grahamt5924]

The one debater is arguing that it is not possible for black people to be racist! He probably has no idea how ridiculous that statement is. He then also wants to make a law that makes racism illegal!

[@clintonvb5523]

He probably wants to make a law that being white is illegal.

[@jaapbronkhorst3155]

The worst radio debate by a presenter I have ever listened to. Clear in the way Ernst Roets name was selected in the title.

[@andrebasson8442]

> I 'm not going to elaborate on the reason but here is the solution from my point of view: Firstly If the Government own 30% of land including 4000 farmland then there is no ways that white could not own 80% but less than 70% Also lands belong to non whites making it less than 70%..On the other side plenty land was handed in the past to non whites . It is also senseless to hand out land when the banks will not finance new farmers that has no agricultural qualifications. Rather give the workers of the land shares and dividends on the farm-land that they work..In that way the farmer will not lose his business and the rest of SA will not run short on food. .....> (Disregarding Race or Gender) that don't want to work on farmland but work in the city should receive sufficient RDP houses to replace the squarer settlements and proper land should be allocated to squatters that has sufficient water and sewer until the RDP houses are built. for them.

[@TheTheobear]

If you were to believe that all people are equally you should accept all people have the ability to be racist, that includes white, and black.

[@Sky-pg6xy]

“We’re going to shut you up. We’re going to deal with you” ...Absolutely disgusting. The downturn of the South African economy is deserved. I only hope they come their senses before they wind up like Cambodia

[@t.e.stroud1781]

White folks just know everything eh? You fuck the world and everyone in it then wonder why people hate you.

[@Enoch940]

@@t.e.stroud1781 you should not swear like that. It makes people believe you are low and unintelligent.

[@AceDiCaprio]

Theres a difference between being racist and prejudice...you need some sort of power to be racist and enforce that power on your 'inferiors'

[@AceDiCaprio]

@In Sane What power, political power means jack if you don't have the power to control the economy and so they along with their families and cronies are the ones benefiting from this so called 'power' you're refering to.

[@AceDiCaprio]

@Melarus while you're at it why don't you redefine the laws of gravity...I'm not anti-white by the way but was just stating facts about where I live and what I see. The best a black man can say is call a white person a racial slur but a white person could do that too but also deprive me access to a job opportunity or access to certain property as its reserved for a white person- this aint hyperthetical and it stilll happens!!

[@AceDiCaprio]

@Melarus that is just hate or being spiteful in simple terms

[@LoveJehovah]

@@AceDiCaprio I don't know how this simple fact goes over so many people's heads.

[@wite9177]

I am a white Afrikaner male doing a PhD on exactly these issues. First of all I am shocked by the type of nonsensical discussion brought to the table by the two black gentlemen. I never held any high regard for AfriForum, but really all that the white person tried to do was to have a meaningful discussion. Yet each time he touches on a contentious issue he is shouted at, apartheid is blamed, and the black gentlemen then refuses to engage on that subject any further. I have to say, their notion that only white people can be racist, that black people can never be racist is precisely similar to our current presidents perception that a shower will wash away HIV. Every sentence they spoke was rife with racist and prejudges discourses and dominant political ideologies. e.g. by saying that blacks cannot be racist and immediately afterwords making the case that racists should be fired from their jobs, imprisoned or removed from the country, they are essentially saying that all whites should be driven out of the country or fired or imprisoned - similar to the social media statement that blacks should do to whites what Hitler did to the Jews. How is that not racist or oppressive? - THE WORST AND MOST BLATANT FORM THEREOF INDEED! I would like to invite them to substantially prove to me how I am benefiting from white privilege (a concept I am not at all familiar with) in the current post-apartheid democratic South Africa. I attended a farm school along with other black learners, similarly high school. I come from a single parent household where my mom was the main breadwinner having only a teachers salary. I had to work my ASS OFF to get through school and get accepted to a tertiary institution - in the face of racial quotas. I had to work and pay my own way through tertiary education - I could not get a bursary because I am white. I am currently in a ridiculously low employment position (for which I am tremendously overqualified and experienced) as I was blatantly told to my face that as a white person I will never achieve any higher level of employment. Because of issues like this whites ARE leaving the country. Yet there are constant complaints from our black ruling government about the brain drain.... I do agree with them that there is no such thing as "black privilege". it is much worse and can perhaps be termed "black entitlement" That is the perception that blacks are owed and that they must get everything for nothing, at the expense of all whites (and even at the expense of their own in-group ethnic others suffering in shacks). You want to take the land from white people for free and do what with it? We are already importing grain and chickens, staple food, have you considered the current threatening food shortage, or future of food security? Do NOT get me wrong, I am not implying that black people are lazy or unable to farm. I am stating that because of this overwhelming sense of entitlement and perceptions that all whites just walked into and got handed everything they have on a silver platter blacks assume that without any education or knowledge they will be able to produce food, i.e. the crops will just miraculously sprout from the grounds and flourish, the live-stock just multiply and get fat (which historically they never had, even before whites arrival - but which they stole from the whites). I would like to request both of these black gentlemen to go and watch this debate in the privacy of their own homes, trying to assume an objective third person perspective on what was said. If they then cannot comprehend the nature of their language use and discourses passively but continuously expressed then yes, we do have a problem. In this case perhaps it would be best to drive all whites out of the country similar to what was proposed under apartheid with the homelands act. We are not so many and I for one will be willing to sacrifice what I have worked for so hard, (my property and Ford Fiesta) to go and live for example in the most desperate infertile and dire place of the country, the Karoo dessert perhaps. Then you will be rid of us whites and we will be free to live our lives accordingly, free to develop and free to progress. Lets then view this as a longitudinal study even. In 20 years we will revisit each other and the land which we occupy We will analyze political, societal, economical, technological, infrastructure, agricultural, environmental and cultural developments of each group. However, you will then not have white privilege or apartheid to hide behind or conveniently use to excuse your failures. I believe your achievements and developmental progress will be quite similar or maybe even worse than in the past 20 years post-apartheid - after you have received ALL power. We can go even further and relate your successes in developing a first world country to a third world state having economical "junk" status to that of Germany and China after the devastating wars they experience, and in the same amount of time that was given to you. Perhaps you will also blame them of being racist? As a final thought I want urge you to go and read the first clause/paragraph in our country's constitution, especially the final sentence thereof. Similarly revisit your definition of equality, which currently is that all spheres of the country should reflect the demographics of the country, irrespective of competency or education. Perhaps equality could be better defined in line with that first paragraph of the constitution in that those who do not have access to the opportunities of the privileged should be aided to reach that level of access. Then it should be up to each individual to prove themselves and work (or not) towards their own successes or failures instead of merely taking it based on a sense of self righteous entitlement. Lastly, do keep your ear on the ground and your eyes open. I am fighting for equality, non racialism justice and freedom of expression. I am sure you will immediately view this as white right winged activism - that will be the first mistake you make,; I am fighting for ALL RACES! You should know that Liberation never star out with a "big bang" so enjoy your privileged black-entitlement while it lasts...

[@gileskisife6966]

We understand this game son! The realistic!

[@lindamatolengwe1637]

Slept halfway through your text...As if having a PHD makes your argument sensible!

[@Qibilii]

I feel sorry for Ernst...arguing with Andile Mngxitama shows a strong hate for white people. It's shameful, you can't fight evil with evil.

[@myvisionataglance]

The fact that you are doing a PhD on these issues but still refer to people as black in trying to resolve an issue that you are studying toward shows how low on awareness about the very same issue you are. I'd question how you will acquire that PhD...All people who justify their incompetence will always give a defensive statement before showing the incompetence... Lol!!

[@bonginkosizikhali6769]

It three years now did you get your PhD

[@RJO16]

23:50 definitional cancel culture before cancel culture was a thing.

[@pietercloete4259]

Only Ernst understands what racism is. Eusebius, the so-called expert - is totally biased. Andile is a raving maniac!

[@paradiseofmind8227]

YOU PATHETIC

[@iwonalasak-hughes5814]

Well balanced conversation 3 black and one white ?????

[@mzindyg007]

The immigrants into Australia say the same about the original Australians until THEY begin to believe they are being victimized when The Originals want their Land back

[@thabisoselepe8302]

Can we as South Africa love each anther please

[@icelenyatso1915]

Try not to overuse the term love....

[@thabisoselepe8302]

@@icelenyatso1915 what do you mean

[@icelenyatso1915]

I ment that love is the easiest thing that one can offer,but it is people like Roets who makes people of colour hate so called white people,cause of his arrogance and white behaviour.give to Ceazer what belongs to him,the problem of land has now become a need to its own people,the blacks,it's none negotiable anymore,they Lough behind close don't be deceived by their smile on public to them we will always be less humans even in our very country.

[@Autonimaatio]

@@icelenyatso1915 Ernst is cordial and correct about everything he said in this interview, you seem to have a hatred against white people in general. White behavior? So is there something called black behavior, and what does that look like? Are you doing something to better yourself, or are you merely focused on stealing the land from the land owners and handing them over to black people? I must warn you, disregard for private property rights is the downfall of an economy.

[@icelenyatso1915]

@@Autonimaatio Mr colours I like your guestion and I respect it even the second one.Now first question is do I hate white people,the answer is no but if you're were a black child and having to grow in a region were land is mostly owned by white people and the manner in which they carry themselves you would understand,you have to come from where I come from in or order to understand the meaning of that question and it's implications.i don't hate them I feel sorry for them to have such hearts felt with hate and to be in such an oppressive nature to take what is not theirs from the hands of poor people and to make these false claims that the land is theirs, that's a robeous nature intended to destroy the minds and the very human rights of those people.second question white behaviour and is there black behaviour?yes there is Steve Biko had black behaviour, Malcolm X had one,Mucus Gurvey had one lumumba also king Galeshewe had one,Cris had one that s y when you speak against a white man say you have a black attitude.so you feel offended when I say white behaviour.are black or white ?

[@angloaust1575]

Interesting that mandela and Gregory's sons were both killed by automobiles rather than apartheid

[@meta4282]

Also the blacks folks on this show should not talk negatively about westernisation and colonialism - I'm sure those fancy suits, denims, watches, shoes and cars are all products from white colonialists. Remove those fancy items, go back to your huts and kraals, and THEN only can you start pointing fingers, but whilst you are enjoying the benefits of colonialism you can't play the victim card.

[@buqaqawulimguca5330]

+Lendl Metcalf I think that is the dumbest thing i have read so far. It is unbelievably stupid to say the clothes and accessories we wear are benefits of colonialism. I would much rather you keep all of those things and move away. They didn't employ you because you have an unfair advantage provided to you by your ancestors at the detriment of black people. White people will, at least for the foreseeable future, carry this advantage because they have more than enough resources to ensure they receive the highest level of skills training money can buy. As opposed to black people who literally have nothing. White people cannot complain about anything that has anything to do with racism in this country!!! You murdered and butchered millions of people just to fatten your pockets!!I would suggest that white people just shut up and enjoy their ill-gotten wealth and let the blacks try and salvage what they can of this mess. We are God's people.

[@meta4282]

Buqaqawuli Mguca - It would be ignorant to think that the technology and modern lifestyles we are living, are borne from African culture and traditions. These things we all enjoy are all products of colonialism and westernisation. You don't get to deny that on the basis of your skin colour. It's a fact, however inconvenient it may be. Unfair advantage? I have no advantage - I did not walk into a bank and receive a house because I'm white? where are you getting this stuff? I had to work myself to the bone to afford a house. And so did my black neighbour. We did not sit around moaning about other people's so called privileges. I got nothing from being white, all I'm getting is refused job applications, because I'm white, no work promotion, because there is a poor black person playing a victim card that really needs this promotion in order to keep up with his lease payments on his new black BMW. How do you account for all the successful black people in society today? If life so bad as a black person, why do we see millions of successful black people. This white privilege is a myth, created to make white people feel guilty. I feel no guilt, because I know I have worked hard for everything I have. Yes black people have also murdered millions of people and they still do - all for their own gain. - What's your point? has a black man never murdered a white man? Or are you the only poor victim here? Did you know that the vast majority of slaves were captured and sold to Europeans by their own black chiefs and kings. Did you know that a white man ( William Wilberforce) made slavery illegal?? Yes that's right!! Slavery is a product of black greed dating back hundreds of years, don't you think that a few hundred thousand african tribesman could not out outnumber and fend off a mere 50 or so European softies that came ashore on a boat?? Africans sold their own brothers and sisters off as slaves to the west in return for compensation. They are the ones responsible for slavery. The largest human trafficking operation is still in Africa, and is still run by blacks. Go and read up on African history and current affairs. You don't get to deny the facts, just because of your black privilege. No - You are not God's people. You don't get to chuck God under the 'black victim bus' in order to support your fake black-victim claims. WE are all God's people - it says so in the Bible. For you to think that God has singled out black people as His chosen people, is akin to the Nazi's believing that they are the superior race and that they are singled out above everyone else. I'm sorry, but you don't get to deny the truth and facts of life just because you are black.

[@buqaqawulimguca5330]

I find most of your comments to be grossly inaccurate and biased. To presume that the "modern lifestyle" that white colonialism brought with it has improved our black people's lives is a bit pretentious. I am of the opinion that the modern lifestyle cannot be in any way considered an improvement at any level given that it is by nature a very destructive force that's destroying not only mankind and he's natural state but the very world in which it lives. The cost of being able to text you right now is staggering! It would be funny if it wasn't so sad how white people sold to black people Hummer SUVs that now have to be taxed because of their carbon footprint (if you get my drift). Colonialism has done me no favours in that respect. A home is a beautiful thing to have and you might have worked hard for it, as you should, but i put it to you that a black man had and has to work infinitely harder just to put food on the the table. It is hard work to study at top universities, it is what makes them "top". It is hard work keeping a business going irrespective of whether or not you got preferential treatment at the bank. I will not deny you that. But how much harder is it for the average "black Joe" with absolutely nothing?? But we must be careful not to personalize the issue. When i speak of "black people" i am referring to the vast majority that lives in abject poverty not knowing where their next meal will come from. Statistically speaking the most white people do not experience poverty the way black people do and a handful of successful black people does not in anyway reflect the true socio-economic inequities of South African society today. You might not have had to rob a bank, but your ancestors robbed South Africa so that you wouldn't have to. I really feel it would be an insult to myself commenting on your outrageous comment of slavery being started by black people. The level of ignorance in that comment is superb! I think you're a person of sound mind and maybe you might have let your emotions get the better of you there. Having read some of your other posts on this subject i am of the opinion that you're not racist but you feel like most young white people do in this country, that you're unjustly "persecuted" for offences you did not commit. I have always felt that is a legitimate complaint. We're all victims of apartheid in one way or another, but your suffering is nothing compared to the millions of black children whose lives have been condemned to suffer and die in abject poverty. It is for them that i feel and speak for. If i would advise white South Africa about anything it would be for them to start engaging with black South Africa in a tangible and meaningful way. Go to the townships and learn about black culture, make black friends, use the resources you may have to uplift them.Only when the black man is truly free will white people realize real social security.

[@meta4282]

Buqaqawuli Mguca Im not saying that modern technology is all good. What I am saying is that its inconsistent with someone's world view to bad mouth colonialism and in the same breath the person is getting into his new car bought from a European car dealership. Consistency is the key. All I'm seeing when I look at the thousands of black people who live in poverty, is not a failed political system of yesteryear. I'm seeing a failed ANC governement of today. This government could have turned this ship around along time ago. They have had 22 years. To blame this on anyone else, is to not take responsibility for the present. too many people are sitting in the informal settlements waiting for a hand out from a government that promised them equality. Equality is a myth - no man is equal. Democracy is not the same as being equal. Communism is closer to equality. The issue with equality is, one man will always deem himself 'more'; equal that the next man. It simply does not work. The ANC government is responsible for this culture of "blaming it on racism and apartheid" - people cannot lift themselves up when the leadership keeps giving them excuses for why they are where they are. It's been 22 years. Surely you can see where we are coming from. I agree with you in principle on your post. I just think that the government is using apartheid and racist as connon fodder.

[@NickCloete]

+Buqaqawuli Mguca Even-handed sanity in a long comment section... at long last.

[@mrsoshadabaadman]

In an ideal world. People would respect one another and actually start looking up and not just around. So the question is whom is preventing that. Misdirection, divide and conquer is an effective tool. This government is just a continuation of the previous regime. It is more apparent everyday.

[@elizabethhanslip6476]

Living in the past is why there is no future.

[@clintford7027]

Just like at work I get told I am where I am because of white privilege. But when I told them I grew up and lived in a caravan they told me I'm lying . I was born into money and in a nice big house. My parents didn't finish school. Mom packed shelves and shoprite today she's a success. My dad packed fruit at epping Market today he is self employed. I went to a terrible school and just because I worked my ass off to get where I am. White privilege. My parents only reached there success after I finished school... One guy at my work couldn't pronounce a surname correctly and all I did was try to help him and guess what I'm racist. Also why I'm white and my girlfriend is dark skinned and my son is mixed. And I can't wait to leave the place I love the most. South Africa. Wish I could feel safe by letting my son grow up in South Africa.

[@alibozobozo8046]

As white man in South Africa, you should keep quiet... After all the mess, crimes, racism that your people done you really should keep quiet.

[@swankslot2265]

And that's a fact not inferiority complex

[@Enoch940]

@@alibozobozo8046 🤣🤣🤣

[@Enoch940]

@@alibozobozo8046 you funny idiot

[@Eio7]

Whites face discrimination from corporate and bank institutions who wield wealth and power. These SA blacks are misdirecting their envy and frustration at the little white guy who is working hard to make it in the economic system created by the wealthy.

[@maxpyne380]

Problem is blacks must work hard to achieve ! They must stop parting stop drinking in fact they must band alcohol . I'm Indian when I was little I grew up in a container shop we worked Sunday to Sunday and lived very cheap in order to save. These blacks just want to spend and party. Today I double my fathers assets which he built from scratch not to mention he couldn't even speak English or Afrikaanas when he arrived from south Africa. Blacks need to work hard and Give up the bad lifestyle that's distracting to climb up the ladder in society.

[@andrewmvoko9563]

Can someone explain the details of this master plan. Are we suggesting that ALL whites who currently own land, a house, an apartment or whatever, but is not black , should simply hand in their property keys to the nearest black person? No matter where or when or how it was acquired?

[@cosmasgaratsa3964]

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[@Nicholas108108]

Ek wou dit kyk maar die eerste spreuker is so goed geleer deur sy marxis tjommies dat ek dit net nie kon sluk nie. Dankie vir jou werk Mr. Roets.

[@TsireledzoNR]

you guys have some too years of damage and now all of a sudden it's about

[@patlophamotse5836]

I don't completely agree with jou maar Andile is racist and so is the other guy.

[@kingofsomalia2156]

I agree with the white guy, black racism and white racism is equally repugnant

[@azanianbantu]

Please explain what black racism exactly?

[@shesBlessed83]

+Azanian Bantu he wouldn't know, in his country Somalis(mix people) oppresses the Bantu(pure African) people and call them slaves to this very day.

[@Mrs.T305]

The Realest Somali I agree

[@sandilemqwathi1621]

Yes true only in a country which is still fresh from Apartheid if you know apartheid!

[@nathanieldeckard581]

Because you are an idiot.

[@afkra5923]

Rational and Logical debating from Mr.Ernst .Well done sir !

[@mjhudson1224]

You agree with his position sir?

[@afkra5923]

Yes ma'm I sure do . Do you ?

[@mjhudson1224]

+Herman Van der Westhuizen Absolutely not, Why do you agree with him ma'am?

[@afkra5923]

+Michael Hudson My apologies Sir* By your profile pic I assumed you where female . So you do not agree that all people can be racist? Not all white people are privileged ? And that the schooling system is a joke? If this is the case , I don't see any point to further this discussion and ill just accept the FACT that everyone is entitled to their own opinion .

[@mjhudson1224]

Well my answer to your first question depends on your answer to this question, What makes a person racist in your eyes? Yes I believe that all white people are privileged because the global system of racism white supremacy guarantees that if a black person and a white person, have the same socio-economic background, same work ethic, the person classified as white will still succeed over the black person because the system is in his favor. There are studies that show that a black man with a college degree has the same chance of getting a job as a white man with a high school diploma, Why is that Sir? The education system is a joke, for black students, we are not taught the proper skills for us to not only thrive in the world, but we are barely even taught how to survive in it. . Education for white students is the real deal because you guys are learning what I'm taking in college, in middle school and high school.

[@AmandaWait]

3 against 1. Baie ontstellende video. The are disrespectful towards Ernst. Telling him he is a criminal. :( The hatred towards whites in this 'debate' is tangible. So we are all criminals because of our skin colour and the past? You can't reason with people who have so much hatred in their hearts. Tragies man, tragies. Breek my hart. I can see where this country is heading, but I will trust in my Lord my God who is in control. I do not deny there are racist whites, but they are a minority. Black people can be racist too. I do believe they are a minority as well. Well I hope so! A plowman who keeps looking back is not fit to get the job done. Put your hands to the plow with your face set like flint ahead, keep looking forward and get things done properly! Stop looking back! I give the video a thumbs up for Ernst. Love covers a multitude of sin says the Bible. The haters should try that!

[@melusikubheka3312]

+Amanda Wait Have you considered the commandment that says do not put the Lord´s name in vain? Is it not what you are using. Don´t be one sided, if Ernst was black and the other three were white you would not have said what you have uttered.You are committing a sin yourself and you are quick in judging others! Nie alle blankes is rassiste, maar meeste van hulle is. Veral in SA Toe ek besig was om voorgradse graad in varsity ek gebruik om uit te hang met verskillende, blankes was onder die mense en hulle altyd het gespot deur die meerderheid. Ja ons het grootgeword in ´n post apartheid SA nie, maar die vraag is, is jy bereid om te trou om ´n sawrt man? Will you ever take black people as ordinary human beings who are capable of doing what white people can do?

[@AmandaWait]

Melusi Kubheka Bohloko So according to your reasoning I am not to mention the Name of my Lord my God at all? Please, I am a child of God and would never use God's Name in vain. You think I do not see what you are trying to do? I won't play your little game sir. If the skin colours were reversed I would side with the black person being insulted like that. You don't know me, you don't know my heart. I am making a *righteous judgment* according to what they are saying. Am I even allowed an opinion? What on earth does whether I am willing to marry a black man have to do with all of this? No I won't because I am happily married to my husband who happens to be white. Is that a crime now too? Talk sense please. Or are you trying to paint me as a racist? Not gonna happen, because I am a child of God and I love all people, regardless of skin colour! Just because of the actions of a few white racists does not mean all or most are like that! Never did I even suggest that black people are not capable of doing what white people can do. Why you even said that is beyond me! Wat die hart van vol is loop die mond van oor né. Go in peace Melusi. Don't come to me with false accusations. It has nothing to do with me being one sided. I gave my opinion on how I saw this video. I don't have to explain myself. What I wrote is very clear and I stand by what I wrote. Obviously you can't please everyone. I am never politically correct. When I speak, I speak truth. I don't speak hate, I spread the love of God. I love all people. Even those two people with much hate in their hearts. That's how they come across to me. So sick of racism and hatred and liars and false accusers on the internet. God bless!

[@melusikubheka3312]

+Amanda Wait Again you are using God´s name in vain. If you are as holy as you are portraying yourself to be, why view and comment on a political video. Are you more concerned with earthly affairs Missus? Well if you have read my comment carefully you would not be so defensive, it is said that when one is being defensive there is definitely something to defend. Which is stimulated by a feeling of guilt. I said most whites are racists, because it is an amazement when one sees a white person who is socialising with black. You are just suffering from being ignorant which is something I´ve found to be common with most whites. Ernst absolutely said nothing except that whites are better, again that is white superiority and black inferiority. Goes back to the things said by gentlemen there that we still are reaping the fruits of apartheid. Black education is where it is because of Bantu Education, something introduced by white afrikaners, while the English were in power it was much better they even built universities for black people. Ernst is just a static that makes up the number of the majority of racist whites.

[@AmandaWait]

+Melusi Kubheka Bohloko See the snide way you refer to me because I am a Christian...but thanks for the unintended compliment, because my God tells me to be holy because He is holy. I don't need to explain to you why I am commenting on a political video! Who do you think you are? Since when are Christians not allowed an opinion on political issues? Grow up. Something is wrong with you if you think I am using God's Name in vain. Oh yes, another thing, _God_ is His title, God's *Name* is YHVH and His Son's Name is Jesus who is God in the flesh. I am in no way defensive. Continue playing your little game of hating on me all because I am white and dare not have an opinion. Move along please, this is not South Africa, this is KZbin where I thankfully can voice my opinion freely. Funny how when people on here see I am Christian they attack my Christianity. Always those who are haters. Some just can't let others be to have an opinion of their own. You are a liar. ✋

[@liaprins8378]

As a coloured person I experience black hatred and racism daily

[@ludakaakhona2253]

I think we need our government to teach white minority about history of SA and show them documentaries. It seems like they are clueless

[@sisteray3539]

100%!!

[@TheXavier20000]

"Black people are not flourishing because of colonialisms legacy" I think thats would be a fantastic debate topic. Are black people not flourishing because of colonialism? Obviously the way in which white people colonized Africa has kept black people from flourishing in comparison to whites, but had colonialism never happened, would black people be better off? Would black people be flourishing had whits never traveled to Africa?

[@yannickdelport293]

TheXavier20000 that doesn't matter, we would be either wealthy or dirt poor by our own doing, whites weren't invited.

[@cockoffgewgle4993]

You'd be dirt poor. So you're complaining about being better off. You're hating whites for improving your lives.@@yannickdelport293

[@jegedem8780]

"We will take back the land first,don't worry about what we gonna do with it,Do Not Psycho-Analyze Us" -----Words by Andile Mngxitama "PRICELESS"

[@danelleprinsloo1566]

They make me sick to my stomach. It's true, sense of entitlement and inferiority complexes.

[@tr.c5148]

Can you be less vague?

[@danelleprinsloo1566]

Straight up

[@brucedownunda7054]

The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once and get people arguing heatedly over which is the Truth - Ezra Pound

[@gerritsteen1475]

The problem here is with those two gentlemen sitting on the right and left. When one individual do wrong to them they will blame everybody on their skin color or culture. They blame other people for their problems and mistakes.

[@Pandas888]

Bringing up the holocaust and comparing it with apartheid is incredulous. The Jews were starved, and sent to gas chambers Nobody alive today, except for holocaust survivors, knows that kind of persecution and they refrain from discussing it. There were multiple nations in South Africa, not just the Dutch and English, just as the Moors from Africa went to Europe, but I guess historical facts don't count unless they can be used for one point of view. Racism can come from all nationalities and races. Indians, Chinese, Turkish, Pakistanis, Portuguese, Greeks, French, Germans, Spanish, Italians, Russians, Poles, Afrikaners and English natives make up minorities in SA yet the majority target minorities and place blame on them for everything. In 2022 smh

[@cosmicsurfer5911]

2 years later a confirmation has piled up. These 2 guys are clowns.

[@TheAwills88]

loss of giant in Eusebius:(

[@snakeplissken7613]

Eusebius i have lost all respect for you and Andile you live in a world that is hard tounderstand

[@beautifulrose8619]

The moderator talks about events from the past week. I know this was several years ago but does anyone know which events he was talking about?

[@michaelhussey440]

I think a white woman called Mrs Sparrow ( ?) had made racial remarks about the large number of black people on Durban seafront and the litter they left, although I cant be sure its that .

[@beautifulrose8619]

@@michaelhussey440 Yes. You are right. I looked it up Then when I relistened he says racist tweet Penny Sparrow.

[@michaelsathekge3262]

Absolutely shameful, Eusebius makes a comment about an accent on the phone? Does he know the well known practice of immediately gravitating to anything you can identify with including the first black man I can spot to ask for the loo? I’m becoming a stern support of Afriforum as our black brothers have missed the mark and the race issue

[@patlophamotse5836]

You are a fool!

[@newmis]

SABC need to focus on the truth about the suffering of black people still happening now

[@anerommorena4566]

We need these kinds of debate more often

[@luckyramashala-st7lz]

Why deny history left home without invitation and who stole.why denials

[@GreyMist123]

I've had it up to my frelling eye-balls with people stating or implying that black people cannot be racist. Racism has no ethnic boundaries. The only requirement for being racist is being an A-hole and there are overwhelming numbers of those on both sides of the fence. I am white South African female. I could not study the course I wanted to at the University of Pretoria, because according to the student Councillors there I am "not black and the course is only for black people". End of my final year in high school I had change my life path. Then I study Journalism, finish the course and then get told, I cannot work because I'm white and they're only hiring blacks at the moment. And you know what, I still don't blame the average black joe on the street who is also trying to get by. I do blame the ass backwards governmental system and stupid Ideas like BEE and the quota system that say because of your skin colour you get the job, not your merit or ability. And please don't pass it off as "equality" because these systems are insulting to the many black people who work their arses off, do their best are proud of them selves and their abilities and then you relegate them into a system that ignores their abilities and merit and basically says, "here you go, you have this job because you're black, your abilities have nothing to do with your promotion." Please don't tell me in your consummate ignorance you're going to cling to those old colonialist/Apartheid excuses. We must learn from the past not cling to it like some pathetic child clinging to a decaying corps in hopes of comfort and vindication for our own inadequacies. Acknowledge, the horror of the past but don't wallow in them every chance you get. Treat it like and ex-lover, they're there, you greet them but you never go back to that relationship. And for love of Aunt Bessie learn to frelling adult.

[@GreyMist123]

+Black Pride I assume that you're not actually from south Africa?

[@GreyMist123]

+Black Pride aaaah, ok. so basically you ARE an idoit. well have a nice life being an evil ass racist. Hope that works out for you.

[@wite9177]

+Black Pride Once again thank you yet again providing prove of your genocidal agenda... I am sure their will be a huge uproar about this racist statement on social media...... O wait ... you are black... so you can say whatever you want!

[@woebringerbringerofwoe9975]

So I take it “Black Pride” (who the fuck would make that their handle?) erased their comments after realizing how racist they were?

[@maryanndeweerd2570]

Chaos and chanting 👏👏👏👏

[@witwolfdebruin]

Ernst, to sit between these criminals and to stay calm I take my hat of for you ! You are a legend! How can 2 racists go against 1 centralized person!

[@danelleprinsloo1566]

The lights are on but nobody is home

[@fuzzoctavius5621]

Don't judge by race, judge by personality !!!

[@phumlanimbabela-thesocialc3285]

If i was white, I was going to post he same comment.

[@qhaweqhawe8300]

Daniel Andreassen It's the religion that made my people stupid and meek , they started feeling inferior and they rejected their own culture. It's part of the problem.

[@janineroux2398]

Let's all be victims, and therefore entitled.

[@t.e.stroud1781]

Sure. It’ll take 400 years but I don’t mind being your master 😇 afterwards we can talk about what it truly means to be a victim.

[@michaelgriesel4402]

Feel sorry for Ernst! Every time he is on TV he has to argue with people with an average IQ of 40!!

[@naledimateboho8362]

Mxm

[@future76sht66]

what do you mean by that bro?? you sound dumber then ernst

[@nontobekotfumbatsa6817]

@@future76sht66 he is dumber than ernest its for sure

[@lionelbekker3590]

O my gosh, Ernst you are doing such a fabulous job, please don’t ever give up debating.

[@GeloDianela]

If you expect a coherent debate, see some other video without these two.

[@elizabethhanslip6476]

3 against 1 is so their way

[@t.e.stroud1781]

Mighty passive aggressive of you. Speak your mind.

[@chrisnaude2929]

For someone who claims to be a logician, he sure is adept at throwing out the "ol Herring.

[@grimsadventures-bikesnpetr7913]

Ernst and Eusebius should have a debate one on one , in a controlled evironment, facts on facts, without intimidating Ernst due to a lack intellectual content, appauling behaviour from the two blacks poor presenter for failing to keep the debate under control....

[@derrickpatterson8534]

Why does Andile act like South African history only started in 1652? Why does he not acknowledge the fact that the Bantu came from the North centuries before and took from the Khoisan - the natives - by conquest? If I steal a car from you by force that you previously stole by force then I didn't take what was rightfully yours. We both took from the rightful owner.

[@annavanstraaten971]

its not racism its a difference between what is right and what is wrong.. Why do most of us get on with others i r o the colour of their skin??? I have just as much respect for my black friends as I have for my white friends.??? Most of us are taught from small that we have to distinguish between right and wrong respect needs to be earned by our behaviour. I personally do not like anybody that plays the race card no matter from which race they are. GOD created us all and some dont want to serve HIM but their own desires and greed

[@jocklog1]

Josepheus.....where did he get that European name from? He should be embarrassed!

[@My_handsome_King]

Correction: He should be embraced

[@chaponate6805]

He got that name like how i got mine...from the European colonials that enslaved our forefathers Gosh why are u here commenting if you don't know jack shit about indigenous history ? Why do African Americans have European names like us and why do they also speak a european language(English) like we do,don't you think we have something in common ??? Slavery and Colonization,something the Bantu people never experienced since they were not in the Cape area at the time...the fact that we have european names are proof that indeed we have been colonized by the Dutch and British and we keep that history in our names and language(Afrikaans)...

[@charldippenaar8193]

Sorry guys. Yes as whites can be racist so can black people. We can all learn from each other and live together. We need to stop wasting our energy on this.

[@markedmayr3108]

"Black racism is the biggest problem facing this country right now" Family Guy

[@markedmayr3108]

+Black Pride sense is missing from your comments US is a different country dawg... Don't be too proud of what you just said. The panel on this debate is nonsense.

[@markedmayr3108]

+Black Pride you said "apart of us"... who is "us"?? It seems you lack an understanding of South Africa, and the true nature of Apartheid!! History focus for the day ----- Next week is the 50 year anniversary since: the removal of District Six (a South African Coloured people neighbourhood in Cape Town). Check that out bra?

[@azanianbantu]

"Black racism" only exists on social media

[@shesBlessed83]

+Azanian Bantu true

[@themburoyalty2179]

Real people African with beautiful melanin skin

[@chrisvandermerwe106]

And do not forget about 15:04 where Ernst was rudely interupted. And Ernst said I will never do that to you. We should speak out for ourselves. This debate is so bias. Nelson said never again, well he lied as well.

[@bamainatlanta]

Didn't the Bantu dispossess the Bushmen?

[@shesBlessed83]

Didn't the black people disposes black people. That's what your comment sounds like. This program discusses black and white issues not black to black issues.

[@dutchboyslim5951]

IOW, if black people did something bad, let's ignore it.

[@azanianbantu]

The Bantus didn't dispossess the bushmen. White people did.

[@shesBlessed83]

+Azanian Bantu he is trying to change history as always

[@themburoyalty2179]

You did some bad alright so you the last to judge ..you shouldn't be commenting on African affairs . you dont belong..

[@mtuleninaftal230]

And as we are buying land to them now, to them from whom they bought land to?

[@paradiseofmind8227]

Good question my brother

[@timoffreethought580]

Victims , is the narrative. Jealousy and envy is the motivation. Really telling !

[@carolmiller760]

The Coloured People were treated very badly by the Apartheid Government. There was a Vote then to bring them On Board. The Transvaalers and Freestaters Voted Against as they did not have any expierence of these Wonderful Happy People. So there was this Heartbreaking moment in our History that can never be forgotten.

[@sandilemfeka4658]

Can we stop labeling our people as Coloured cause it's an insult. They are African people.

[@carolmiller760]

Coloured People Speak our Language....Afrikaans. They were on the Voters Roll till 1956. They should never have been sidelined The Transvaalers and Freestaters had no expierence of these wonderful People. I speak only about the Coloured People. They fought the Communists alongside the White Troepies. The Cape Corps even fought in the WW2. But then all Mandela's Peers were made of Gold too. Wonderful People. Something has gone horribly wrong since 94. When they came out of Exile they were Pennyless so Big Business (Rupert) Bought them Houses and Cars and that carried them through till after Elections. Then de Klerk got Jealous because he and his were to share and help the helpless to run the Country. So all the Departments were emptied...by them all the Filing Cabinets too not even a pen was left. So all these Exiles were treated abominabley and had to sit in all these emptied Governments Departments with nobody to teach them the Ropes. Ian Smith would have done anything to have this Senario. To share and Teach and Guide and save the Country from ruin. De Klerk and his Fogies did the RSA immense harm when he walked out of an opportunity to get the Country on its feet again. He failed the Country and the Peace Prize should never have been shared he did not deserve it. His February speech in Parliament was just not enough.

[@Dscoetc]

This just my opinion. If the issue is about privilege then put realistic measures in place to correct that. Debating racism isn't going to address any immediate problems, racism can only be dealt with by open minded individuals willing to understand another point of view. About the debate and its unfortunate that this wasn't focused on properly was the education system. This is the only way anyone can improve his/her situation. Allow everyone the chance to good quality education, make sure public transport is affordable and safe and look at subsidised housing. BBBEE's ideals are lofty, but if companies could invest in the education of black children and in meeting these kids, getting to know them, motivating them, so that money isn't just thrown in a foundation so that responsibility is taught but also ability and purpose, then the privilege issue could be dealt with in part.

[@Dscoetc]

+Black Pride nah dude read it again...

[@regaugetswemoabelo859]

I believe the ANC government is primarily to blame for the continued state of affairs for the black majority. I don't think the solution is dispossession of white people who didn't directly steal land however. Whites not acknowledging the past or joining in the efforts to correct those injustices is a huge problem however. As a black that's not militant in their views as Andile is, Ernst (and whites generally) inability to accept the historical account and the privilege he calls achievement does not stand him in good stead. Rather be an ally to black people's struggle than try to justify the past. If blacks generally prosper, South Africa prospers which is good for everyone, including whites. Unless that is not a desirable outcome.

[@gfrankthomas7618]

Do these people realise the rest of the world is watching this , and you wonder ?.

[@makhosinidube7950]

So what

[@joe3874]

Nothing has changed cause the ANC did not look after their own

[@4abrownafrica939]

At 22:25 "...dont worry about what will happen to us. We just want the land back.." The brothers right on time!

[@sugar-rayluvschelsea7233]

I would have loved to see a proper debate between Ernst and Eusebius because that might have actually moved this debate forward. I hope to one day live in a united South Africa

[@Enoch940]

I feel whites are privileged all over earth simply because of their intelligence and work ethic.

[@ajl2232]

Don't forget looting, rapiing and killling.

[@TheIceman567]

Ain’t wrong

[@sengamemela3720]

Intellect without wisdom is useless, ..wisdom is about insight and foresight...you need wisdom!!

[@wildcatsstorm]

What scares me most about this is not Andile. In every country Marxists and extremists live. However the moderator is a disgrace. By the sound of him he sounds like he a highly educated man. He also went at one of at Ernest. He allowed a threat on national television. This is the concern. Because he for me represents the masses.

[@keithoptimo3256]

Calling blacks racist is just a way to distract the debaters to address the issue of reverse racism instead of focusing on the real topic. Andile is on point with his facts. South Africa is in good hands with the Economic Freedom Fighters.

[@keithoptimo3256]

+Black Pride I wouldn't call them mental slaves. I would call blacks in South Africa and all over the world for that matter, mental prisoners. I call them prisoners over slaves because there is indeed a war being waged against us. Once we put our situation in a different context, then more people will be able to identify our situation for what it really is...a war. And when you are in a war, you should be fighting back, but not necessarily with guns, at least not at first. If what we both agree that mentally we as black people are prisoners, then not all of our soldiers would be able to fight with us. So we must wake up our brothers, sisters and cousins and let them know what time it really is. This first must be done with the mind. We must study and analyze history to see how and why we are in the situation we are in. Luckily for us, we are not the only ones who have thought about the situation we are all in. We have the founders of the Pan-African movement Henry Sylvester-Williams and Edward Wilmot Blyden who understood early on the importance of all people of African decent coming together no matter where they are around the world. We have scholars such as Dr. John Henrik Clarke, Dr. Ivan Van Sertima and Dr. Ben Yosef Jochannan who have devoted a tremendous amount of their time to research our history for us to study. We have Chancellor Williams who wrote "The destruction of black civilization" that is very important for all of us to have in our library. And just because we are in a state of mental slavery, does not mean we should remain in that state. See, we are living in the age of information and we have access to information that was denied to us previously. We can not expect the enemy to educate us to the point where we would be a threat to their power. If we start a war with guns, do we have any gun manufactures so we can get more guns and bullets when we need them? We first must start with the our minds and the minds of our brothers, sisters and cousins. We must wake them up and let theme know what time it is. Check out Dr. John Henrik Clarke "You have no friends". He has a bunch of lectures on You Tube dealing with our past and our future. Please check him out...PEACE.

[@demammoet]

So what I got from this is that whomever says racism most, wins?

[@Enoch940]

🤣🤣🤣

[@reecebartlett8565]

Coloured guy has the most reasonable argument.

[@darrenchandlercoaching]

no

[@ntsakomarete3437]

Reece Bartlett the coloured guy is also acting like a victim of his skin colour

[@witwolfdebruin]

@@ntsakomarete3437 And you can here he speaks Afrikaans HA HA HA HA

[@vuyisilekwa2544]

Now is not a time to fight.This time around is to combine skills to find way foward to make this country a better place and stop killing our owners of the farmers.and our government must reopen the farmers that's not running in this country.

[@stevenwatermeyer2730]

Stop #out-breeding your ability to sustain your #progress ! - #education not Hand outs !

[@timoffreethought580]

How many blacks do you think would be in SA today if they had no outside influence? As many as in 1650 ? Be my bet !

[@theTESLAwizard]

I speak from afar - Canada. Can't the 4 of you give each other a hug. You have so much that needs fixing. You have a run down electric power system. You have a wonderful rail system lying in tatters. You have roads with massive potholes. You have massive unemployment. Is their not a way you can use these resources to rebuild the country?

[@elnadewaal89]

Ons steel nie.Ons werk vir wat ons wil he.Doen julle dit ook.So hou op kak praat.

[@rationalthinker9181]

Sadly probably the only non racist was the poor interviewer trying to get healthy debate going while all you have in front of you is three men with an agenda and an axe to grind

[@tacticaltradingpennystocks7206]

Wow.. Just wow...

[@trouserminnow1]

Shame... This poor andile was probably born a fas baby or something... He needs to be locked up in a mental hospital

[@MrMaps85]

Mngxitama was emphatic when we spoke to him: “40,000 white families own 80% of the land. Deal with that.” He said his claim was supported by a recent state land audit, data collected by Statistics South Africa (Stats SA) and research conducted by the Institute for Poverty, Land and Agrarian Studies (PLAAS) at the University of the Western-Cape. Mashego did not respond to questions. So what does the data tell us? The state land audit, carried out by the office of South Africa’s Chief Surveyor-General and published in 2013, did indeed find that 79% of South Africa’s landmass was in private hands. But that includes land owned by individuals, companies and trusts and all urban real estate as well as agricultural and mining land in South Africa. Therefore, according to Mmuso Riba, the Chief Surveyor-General, “there is no basis” for the claim that whites own 80% of South Africa

[@thembekamakhaye9647]

Estates, mines, agricultural land, trusts and companies. You proving Andiles point, because everything you stated is synonymous with the white minority.

[@chaponate6805]

@@thembekamakhaye9647 patrice motsepe,cyril ramaphosa,ANC Elite,BBBEE,Affirmativr Action lol you still think black people are suffering ? BLACK people own way more land today than what government says...

[@thembekamakhaye9647]

@@chaponate6805 🤣🤣🤣 bless your heart.

[@OBCBTTB]

Antiques by definition need be a 100 years or more to sort of qualify to be placed in a museum. At least something older than your grandparents frame of reference I would think. The point is that this is more of a gallery that is connotised as a Museum to create maximum sympathetic impact as its good business, like shoah business. The oldest documents in South Africa as far as I know are held at the National Archives in Roeland Street housed in special rooms with temperature regulation. And that is merely a repository or library. The documents held there are completely ignored by the black population as if they don't exist, couldn't care less or can't conceptualise that far back. Create a gallery of recent South African history, gain sympathy by labelling it a museum. Not the first time this has been done in history. In saying this I am in no way indicating it should not exist. It does seem the intended purpose here in this video is to blame people like Roets, all white people actually for all the evils of some white people during the homeland period or separate development period starting in the 1950s. Blacks have selective memories or can only fathom living memories, anything before that doesn't make sense to them. How I ask to Andile did a handful of white pioneering people evolve into its peak of around 8 to 10 million in only one country on the African Continent and it happened nowhere else in Africa.That did not happen overnight thats why, it took centuries, not just a few decades of Apartheid. I really believe our black citizens cannot conceptualise anything longer than thier recent history, as everything here that they are complaining about is history since 1950 or so and if you like the Native Lands Act of 1913 which is just a smidgen over 100 years ago. Look its sad that blacks feel this way but there are countless other events that happened in South Africa stretching over centuries. Some white families can trace their families back to around the 14th generation born in South Africa written in black and white. Find me a black man that can prove in black and white that his family have records that go back more than 4 generations and even that data was captured for them by white people. Wasn't this Andile guy a Gupta/Bell Pottinger creation?

[@discussionwithunathi]

Ernest ❤❤❤ so much logic. 👏👏👏

[@AlbertvWyk]

In 1994, the youngest voter was 18 and that voter today is 43 years old. Considering that very few 18 year old's vote one would think that many of the young at the time voted in favor of the end of apartheid and for the ANC in 1994. However, today the very same activists, whom apposed apartheid, are labeled as racist. Zille, Steve and the list goes on. I am sick and tired of this screwed narrative. The old flag... flung long before the start of apartheid and apartheid ended under this flag in 1991, the new flag and the ANC only came after 1994. The current narrative is shocking... the ANC has produced more poor people that what apartheid ever did. NO jobs, no food, no power, no water, no services, yet the minority group is blamed, the 7% of whites living in this country... not taking into account how many of these are children, the retired and or also living in the famous white squatter camps. How much of the 7% is in the actual work force?? How many actually make up the middle class of this country?? Open your fucking eyes, for gods sake!!!

[@johanweakley2658]

There is nothing that Ernst can say that will make an impression on these bigots. How does this individual on Ernst's right think countries like USA, Australia and NZ came into being????? It was what happened at that time in history. In USA and Aus the indigenous people were virtually eliminated. In SA there was an effort to negotiate and get involved in trade with the local people. The whole debate is actually pointless, we just keep on going round in circles.

[@RayRay-nh8qd]

if you what land andlie you get a job you save your money put a deposet down and you pay it off there is know freebees in this world

[@octoii2418]

I'm Black and I disagree with Andile, that's the same mentality I was highlighting in my earlier comment, Black people CAN be racist and sometimes ARE RACSIST, The sooner we can accept that the sooner we can take the necessary steps to reverse the effects that psychological reconstruction has had in the minds of (Black, Coloured ,Indian and Asian South Africans)

[@vovobani1708]

What is surprising is the fact that all you can say about the debate is that you as a Black person you disagree with Andile. Ernst did very well in playing a victim again.

[@octoii2418]

@@vovobani1708 Clearly your outlook on things is one sided, if you'd taken the time to read the comment I made before this one, your one sided reply could've been avoided altogether

[@dianewaller8684]

Even white privilege does not extend to all whites, many are in dire poverty in SA today. What happened in the era of colonialism was a completely different generation. If we all want to move on and progress and think about a better future for the next generations, we must respect each other and find our Christian values to forgive, to help and support each other. Lets grow and move forward.

[@sxavarito]

Shame poor Roets was brought to the show to get roasted

[@dandylion188]

Redistribution of land? SA has 8M unemployed and 32K commercial farmers. So if every farmer's land were expropriated, the EFF would have thrown out thousands of years' worth of agricultural expertise in exchange for an utterly negligible decrease in unemployment. Also, agricultural output would suffer from such a trade, so more misery for the poor. With EFF govt., investment in SA would evaporate, so more unemployment. SA's poor need jobs, not land. Investors, both foreign and domestic, want an environment in which property rights are respected.

[@firstsonolo944]

We are indeed the victims of racism

[@tacticaltradingpennystocks7206]

Sad because the other Black gentleman is VERY intelligent, but VERY INDOCTRINATED