Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier Interview

[@CoEviSessions]

Check Out : Carlos Coté The Breakdown Ali Frazier on KZbin!! Very interesting thoughts!!!

[@lwmson]

You should list the web address.

[@lwmson]

Thank you.

[@rogersmith9628]

One of the best rivalries in boxing. RIP to both of these legends.

[@tashawnsnardon3661]

I grew up right around the corner from Ali childhood home. Louisville KY, Mr,Ali Will always be my hero. But I have a great deal of respect for the late great Joe Friazer. God bless them both.

[@ziggylovesyou1]

Rest in peace Muhammad Ali The Champion

[@daacadasad2158]

rip

[@abrahemrafi4517]

Never seen Ali soo quiet.

[@VolumedMusicMan]

abrahem rafi Ali didn't expect Joe to show up on the show!

[@lwmson]

@Christian Puth He was 38 when he fought Holmes, just like Joe Louis was 37 when he was KOed by Rocky Marciano and Holmes himself was in his late 30s when he was KOed by Tyson. It's called age, and ill-fated comeback attempts shouldn't count.

[@adidasaddict2023]

And frazier

[@3244gorilla]

I agreed that Ali is, arguably, the GOAT. But as Ali himself said, "Joe Frazier is the greatest of all times, next to me".

[@lumboah3922]

@@rickytpb2164 he quoted what Ali said though, he did exactly what you said

[@jimmyc1518]

I think Ali said that before Forman knocked Frazier silly lol the real GOAT is George Foreman. Nobody could stand toe to toe with big George, Ali knew that which is why he needed to lean on the ropes cover up to let George wear out if big George would have made Ali come back to the center of the ring every time he leaned on the ropes he would have knocked Ali silly just like he did Frazier.

[@TheSpaceman12345]

jimmy c Ali was the greatest. Foreman and joe are neck and neck with eachother just behind him. Marciano and Joe Louis are up there also. There competition back then was unfortunately underwhelming compared to the mid 60’s till the mid 70’s ...

[@hielogogo9109]

Yeah but the ring was bove there handicap so bottom line Ali played it smart and won so was the better boxer.

[@hielogogo9109]

And Foreman was in top prime and Frazier his top prime was a couple of years earlier.

[@mr.s.7166]

Joe will always be my favorite fighter . these 2 guys had the best fights ever in heavyweight boxing . we will never see such greatness ever again .

[@user-uo9sl2br6e]

Same here plus Ali ran off his mouth so badly at Joe who advocated for him. He stabbed a friend in the back it seems like.

[@JohnD-dg4ub]

Joe is happy being world champion something wrong with that ? Guess you wasn't around with Muhammad talks slick so many times before they fought in the ring .... Joe is very proud being champion at this point, what's wrong with that ding dong

[@drpaine7428]

I met Joe Frazier in the Philadelphia airport, I shook his hand and I immediately knew why he was a champ. Very nice man. Ali actually owes Joe quite a bit... Joe helped Ali when he was down on his luck. Ali never paid him back or show any appreciation. Joe was a class act and Ali just a big mouth.

[@chrisbennett6260]

Nonsense

[@gertjanboot5535]

Ali betrayed Joe , Ali was a racist against Joe it was disgusting @@drpaine7428

[@martadoso9]

MUHAMMAD ALI IS "THE GREATEST" BOXER SINCE CASSIUS CLAY...

[@PosiVibes_Hub]

LOL

[@lemperez]

😂

[@philfrank9226]

Holmes said, Ali is overrated.

[@reginaldpeters5142]

@@philfrank9226 Holmes said that plz he's nowhere on Ali or George Foreman or Frazier level.

[@3rdpersonality48]

Holmes tried to mimic Ali and ended up looking like the tin man..wonder how Ali would have looked if he didn't get his license suspended cuz he looked flawless vs Williams and right after that fight or maybe one more he had it suspended.those 3 years would have been his ultimate prime

[@abdulrahmanalanazi1374]

When I look to these old clips I wish I lived there time .. And you can see how the time went like a blink of an eye 49 years ago RIP both of them.

[@richardmorris7063]

I lived it & yea, the blink of an eye.

[@petespino9700]

Ali even made Frazier laugh. Incredible

[@hammer44head]

There is so much tension here between Joe and Ali.Both great warriors who gave it all in the ring and then some. Anybody who disrespects either Joe or Ali's boxing ability is a complete idiot. They both beat the crap out of each other all 3 fights. RIP Smoke.

[@afsanaparvez6112]

amen

[@classicsurvivor]

Are you a seriously that simple?... you really think Ali didn’t know Joe was coming?... This “tension” took two boxers to historic levels. They both knew what they were doing.

[@mpakwood]

grigsolve right on! Ali and Joe were actually were quite close during this phase before Ali got his license back to box. In his Autobiography Ali explains in detail how he and Joe agreed to appear hostile at each other in public to generate interest and create a strong gate for their epic battle. It wasn't until a year later in the months leading to their 1971 fight, that Ali began to call Joe ignorant and Uncle Tom which really got under Frazier's skin and their hostility turned more real.

[@1wannabee1]

@@mpakwood I dont believe that for a second. Ali dis-respected Joe Frazier immensely. He called Joe Frazier things you just should NOT call any1.

[@salihkurtovic9747]

Ali its much biger than anyone else in ring

[@PorkFrog]

some guy below said something I'd like to give a thumbs up for but can't, so I'll repeat what he said: Mike D is a D for starting out the interview by asking Joe, 'What do you call Muhhmad?' to get Joe to say 'Clay', and ambushing Ali by not warning him Joe was coming. It's not subtle and it's douche baggy. Ali is genuinely pissed here, I think

[@karlhughes1224]

Yeah I agree..Ali usually trash talked and fooled around publicly with fighters when he was promoting an upcoming bout ..here he is low key that as you rightly say means he's a bit annoyed..there's a lot of tension there, but Frazier is the aggressor, and Ali is just realistic..it could easily have got nasty with the host agitating for the viewers, but thankfully Ali was quite calm...Ali was an opportunist; he played up to the cameras when it suited him..

[@afsanaparvez6112]

Frazier had every right Ali back stabbed him after Frazier gave him money paid for his licence and got the black community against him by calling uncle tom his children got harass Ali made Bryan gumbel print out an article bout Frazier being a white champion in black skin

[@som1980]

@@afsanaparvez6112 Frazier gave Ali a small sum of money and it was in his best interest to so

[@MajikBoxx]

@@som1980 - Agreed! Shame they couldn't be 'friends' but the politics of the time meant that Ali was thinking about freedoms, the state of world affairs, religion, politics, peace, human and civil rights, so he was also representing Frazier in that sense whereas Frazier overall, seemed to represent the system by publicly criticizing Ali for not joining the army etc., and even though Frazier lobbied for a return of Ali's licence, lent him a modest sum and gave him a ride from Philly to NY or vice-versa etc; that was not totally altruistic and he still refused to call Ali by his name from 64 onward, even though he was aware of how Ali hated that and before his exile had terrorized Patterson and Terrell for that same reason. Frazier was resentful, not Ali. Ali's jibes were cruel but they were both engaged in a war of words during their careers - Ali's are just more memorable due to its content and articulation plus Ali transcending sport. It was because of the profile Ali brought back to the HW division after beating Liston and defending several times with all the hoopla of predictions, a new style and all of his charisma - plus his comeback - that Joe earned the big purses when stepping in during his exile but Joe never seemed to publicly acknowledge that or Ali's greatness though Ali eventually did so about Frazier. Understandable why they could not get along.

[@lwmson]

@@afsanaparvez6112 Your problem is that you were brainwashed by that stupid HBO documentary that came out 10 years ago -"Thrila in Manila." But that shit was nothing but pure propaganda. Ali didn't back stab Joe in any way. This film clip took place in 1969 while Ali was still in exile, long before he engaged in any pre-fight hype. It was Joe who was the one going on the offensive here. But when Ali calls him a "Tom" for dissing him by calling him "Clay," Joe would whine about it for the rest of his life. To say that Ali had black people turn on Joe, including Bryant Gumbel, is total bullshit. Although there were blacks at the time, like Bryant, who resented Joe for calling Ali "Clay," and thought Joe was a Tom for doing this, black people had minds of their own and didn't need Ali to tell them what to think To imply such would be an insult to the intelligence of black people.

[@spinedoc18]

They were so made for each other. Epic.

[@tomwattley5611]

rest in peace 2 total legends X

[@babidada487]

Joe frazier was a great fighter and a great man,god bless him. This was an unjust interview,ali was in bad situation,gov was against him,they took his title,he had no hope and nothing was right for him.Joe was at his best physically and mentally,he was in his prime but ali wasn't after 3,5 years layoff,he beat ali and no doubt that joe was a great fighter. But ali came back beat joe twice and regain his title in 32. Ten years after his first title fight.

[@truebeliever786]

Both legends and they brought the best out of each other.

[@electroblade5678]

Ali was better tho

[@petergreen5337]

❤absolutely CORRECT

[@IrishTechnicalThinker]

I've never seen Ali so uncomfortable and his humour still shines throughout the interview.

[@jamessmythe1891]

Ali was a quiet nervous type as seen here but under the influence of drugs he became hyper, out of order.

[@999legend8]

​@@jamessmythe1891Ali didn't need drugs to put on a show, nor to articulate himself well and have humour. Also, you wouldn't call tyson fury 'out of order' would you white boy?

[@rayhan_1233]

​@jamessmythe1891 shut up bro, the reason he's like that in this is because he was at his lowest point in life where he couldn't fight and wasn't making money. He was only a loud mouth when it came to the fights cuz it's good publicity and it helps build the fight up

[@beatlebrian4404]

​@@jamessmythe1891you don't know what you are talking about, drugs! What a stupid thing to say

[@Razah.]

@@jamessmythe1891 anyone that lies about ali is a clear racist.

[@vickygagga5992]

Ali head down and had a smile when joe was telling that Ali said him to leave the town

[@DrumsTheWord]

I'd be absolutely furious if I was Muhammad. Being invited on a televised talk show to be tricked and used like this. Joe's first insult was also pretty low. For a fighter, Muhammad really knows how to control his anger.

[@duprez2]

Ali had matured to some degree since his clashes with Floyd Patterson and Earnie Terrell. But Joe definitely paid for that when Ali's license was reinstated.

[@rudimwongozi2169]

No insult Frazier gave to Ali was worse than the stuff Ali said about him. Frazier helped Ali financially when the boxing organizations stripped him of his right to make a living. Ali betrayed Joe by calling him an uncle tom which was not true and unfair. I was and am an Ali fan but let's be real. Ali started with the insults.

[@richardbranton7396]

@@rudimwongozi2169 nope joe started right there calling him Clay ,if you can't stand heat.....Ali was just better at the trash talking and come on now that kind of talk go on in the hood everyday ,and Joe was weaponized by the establishment against Ali ,the only way Ali was going to win that first fight was to ko joe in the 1st to get a split decision points victory lol

[@rudimwongozi2169]

@@richardbranton7396 it went on for years. Ali was immature and his ego was up. If Frazier was used or "weaponized" as you say against Ali it wasn't Joe's fault. So the uncle tom stuff was below the belt. Especially when Ali knew (and the public didn't) that Frazier had helped Ali financially. So the calling him a gorilla and stuff was below the belt and wrong. Frazier was wrong for calling Ali "Clay" but on the other hand Joe knew stuff about Ali that the public didn't know. He didn't think Ali was actually living up to everything he was representing to our people in public. I'm Muslim and was on Ali's side and against Frazier at the time. I didn't know everything then that I know about that situation now. I have come to the conclusions I have come to over these many years. Ali was a hero but no saint. And not above reproach. There's enough blame to go for both of them. Ali is still the greatest and I'm glad he prevailed in the trilogy winning two out of the three contests. But my opinion of Frazier has evolved over the years. Joe Frazier was a great champion and a hell of a man.

[@rudimwongozi2169]

I will say that in this particular instance on that particular show I don't like what Mike Douglas pulled on Ali. As Ali said them white guys like Howard Cosell, Mike Douglas here and dudes like Dick Cavett did try to "instigate". It got them ratings.

[@davidpate6095]

Ali was very gracious.

[@artimuspyle299]

Ali mad as hell here, They stripped him of the championship Joe got the title, When Ali is quiet you know he is mad, The rest of the time he put on a show getting in his opponents head, Here he got Joe in his head. Rip Champ you were the Greatest, Rip Joe you were one of the greatest to ;)

[@nampijjanazifah6358]

Noo 😁 that's how he used to play his games.

[@crystalgrose]

Our two handsome CHAMPS. RIP Guys 💖

[@carlostorrent5477]

Clay. Un maestro. Joe. Frazier. Un gran campeon el gran Joe el humeante. Que manera de ir al frente. Daba espectaculo

[@bennyadler5882]

Amen.

[@jammzy2959]

Ali: Now look here boy... Frazier: *Gets up* What??? Ali: I said Roy Frazier: *Sits back down* Oh. Lol favorite moment with them

[@arjundev8090]

Where in this interview .. say the time

[@FightKnightNews]

I also love that moment ..Ali is a class act

[@arjundev8090]

@Alfredo Amaya ohh that one. Ohk i have seen that .. when i saw this comment here in this video.. i thought they had that talk here too

[@rajakarim4381]

@@arjundev8090 it's from the dick Calvert show also featuring Michael parkinson

[@_AmericanPrince_]

Ali was the Champ of all champions Rip Champ

[@liberatorhifenua5490]

these guys were great pure respect for the two champs

[@OneCash]

"7 days from the fight you will be a week old ghost!" brilliant

[@sammii6496]

This is the greatest individual rivalry in sport between two warriors that will not be forgotten for generations to come. What makes it even special is the underlying mutual respect

[@artimuspyle299]

ALI is the GOAT and this audio is the WOAT.

[@shadicalplayz8932]

It means the audio is the worst of all time

[@vasimajeddy6572]

ALI IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIMES. THE CHAMP. So glad to have seen him box. There’ll never be an athlete like him again. MAY HE STAY BLESSED IN ALLAH’S ETERNAL EMBRACE 🙏🏼

[@jamessmythe1891]

Would you still be worshiping him if he had remained a Christian ?

[@vasimajeddy6572]

@@jamessmythe1891 I’m sorry you misunderstood. As a Muslim we worship Allah only. What I expressed for Ali was a prayer. Same as RIP.

[@TheNelster72]

​@@vasimajeddy6572 Did you really see him fight live? That would be amazing. Which one?

[@IntuitionIsClear]

Ali trying not to laugh at the lady in the crowds laugh lmao

[@joyharp3088]

Ali as always been the greatest.

[@turbotrup96]

then you don't know much about how he treated Frazier.

[@rob3018]

They really disrespected Ali in this interview... Absolutely disgraceful! 👿😳😡

[@theshepardthewolfandtheshe5304]

It was all in good fun.

[@jonhaynes1577]

If anyone deserved it it was the mouth ali he disrespected just about everyone with his smart ass comments

[@irenegaruba48]

The way he called them out on the racist culture back then, refusing to go fight people who never called him the N word, they weren’t truly happy with him. Bringing Joe in unexpectedly to the show, and the unexpected humiliation Ali got, it’s a wonder that Ali treated Joe the way he did. Calling Ali Clay was the ultimate insult! To Ali, that was an Uncle Tom move. Hence all the name calling. Ali had so much class!

[@gertjanboot5535]

Ali was a racist angainst Joe who helped him out so what are you talking about?

[@Raughwe]

It's a bit... Ali was fine.

[@elcabrito21]

These two gave the best entertainment ever you can tell Ali was just joking but Frazier took it personal got so furious he kept on smokin

[@dennispearson9287]

What Made. Ali. The. Greatest. Of. All. Time,. Was. The. Fact. That. 10 years. After beating. Liston,. He Knocks. Out. Undefeated. George Gorman. In. His. PRIME !!! This. Was. Absolutely Incredible!!! And. To. Put. This. In. REAL. Perspective ,. Ali. Was. The. Only. Man. Who. EVER. Knocked. Out. George. Forman. In. His. ENTIRE. CAREER !!!...

[@richardmorris7063]

If I'm not mistaken won all 8 rounds too.

[@jacobhartmann1050]

Ali was a special one-of-a-kind human being, but Joe Frazier was every bit his equal in the ring and a hell of a kind and decent man. Love these two- no one will truly ever reach the legendary status these two achieved.

[@OKG2000]

wow never seen ali look so annoyed, he was really angry here

[@mandingodestroyer3104]

When Boxing 🥊 was on every channel and on every body’s lips . This era defines what Boxing meant to the whole world .

[@loose505]

"7 days from that fight you'll be a week old ghost." my man hahaha Frazier probably didn't get it at first haha

[@reareddust8329]

Wow I only got it now myself 😂 ffs Ali is too legendary

[@umarchowdhury7752]

A week is 7 days. Ali is saying, in the fight, Frazier will become a ghost, (Ali will kill him) hence '7 days from the fight' he will be a one 'week old' ghost. Talk about breaking it down :) ;). Just joking.

[@reoscorpio]

or maybe ALI meant .. "this guy is parading around with my title, challenging me on a tv show that he just popped up on.. but if i ever got a "License" to fight (realize this was done when ALI was not allowed to fight.. ok) ... "if we ever fought, a week after the fight.. you would be a ghost".. as in NOBODY WOULD REMEMBER OR CARE WHO YOU ARE.. Period

[@kevinmunday5782]

thats so hilarious. Ali wasnt only quick in the ring lol. R.i.P two legends

[@unknownandmystical]

I didn't get at first cuz I tought he said weak instead of week

[@723743]

Ali was Ali the greatest and no other athlete of any games can be above him in the future..I mean no one means no one. The greatest will always be Muhammad Ali.

[@scottsummers4115]

Muhammad Ali's favorite rival and brother. Joe Frazier.💯

[@bhadarsingh9833]

Both were great god bless them

[@paulcooper5748]

Smokin, love smokin joe R.I.P brother.

[@reareddust8329]

3:54 onwards "7 days from that fight you'll be a week old ghost" best joke ever

[@Smartdeal777]

joe and ali both were awesome!!

[@mariumrajah]

Ali said in his book if I was going to fight in jihad I would want smoking joe next to me

[@NinaDuran2014]

xyla aqsa name of the book please?

[@wahiditsme]

+Nina Duran Obviously trolling

[@mariumrajah]

The greatest by Thomas howser

[@JoeSchmoeBro]

hitotsu dumbass

[@VAHOSS]

ali is the greatest, but the audio of this video sucks...

[@love1orhate1boxingnewsupda61]

Va HOSS it was years back bro

[@syedtabrez2131]

Yes

[@TheCumberlandbeggar]

The audio???? Hahahaha who fucking cares

[@ataroosa8271]

Rotate your phone

[@hussainalmasbhi427]

I like how ali didn't go crazy like always he didn't do something and give the show something special he kept it quiet and classy

[@jonhaynes1577]

What are you smoking

[@hussainalmasbhi427]

@@jonhaynes1577 idk that was 5 years ago bro But definitely I was smoking something 🤦‍♂️🤣🤣

[@dexterbernard2701]

Joe calling him "Clay" was to antagonize him the same as Ali called him "Uncle Tom" amongst others names.

[@lukasbarnes]

Dexter Reid This is the first video (and I’ve seen mor than most) when Frazier’s giving more than he’s getting and I’m glad about it because Ali was such a tormentor to him and foreman and it was always hard to watch because those two could have him just as easily as him them.

[@lwmson]

No, Ali called him a Tom in reaction to Joe calling him "Clay." He did the same to Ernie Terrell and Floyd Patterson when they, like Joe, insisted on calling him "Clay."

[@brucescott4261]

@@lwmson ...And that was from the very beginning.

[@soleknight3212]

@@lwmson BINGO!!!!!!

[@ripwinkle6633]

@@lukasbarnes Joe tormented him first so Ali just paid him back. Ali even apologised and moved on. Joe did not.

[@muhammadhamzaashraf2011]

Ali was the smartest of all ..... Joe was the first to ignite the fight between them and then ali roasted him so bad out him that he couldn't bear it ... People who blame ali should watch this video ... They will get what it is it

[@MNAYMEN]

haha, Frazier was on form in this interview!

[@richardbranton7396]

Joe was regarded as champ in 6 states ,Jimmy Ellis in the rest but Ali was still recognized as the lineal champion by the world and ring magazine,don't make out Joe was all sweetness and light and altruistic, he needed Ali way more the Ali needed him and knew it

[@JBthree24]

Joe Frazier is the man that gave Muhammad Ali trouble

[@s.o.gforlife1361]

Ken Norton gave him the most trouble

[@GamerzDailyFix]

3 & a half year lay off is gonna do that to a man fighting legends. Prime Ali? 67 Ali? Oh boy, Joe and Ken would be knocked out.

[@mars_bars2397]

Ifs and buts. Shoulda, woulda...... don't mean shit

[@kingkang432]

+Bruce McPhail They both did. But Ali even said that if he had to ever go to war he would want Frazier to be at his side. that was the biggest compliment he could have ever given him.

[@Tauruss96]

it's becuz of those trouble Ali become what he is today! the clitchko brothers are boring even though they were winning. but they are nothing special. Muhammed Ali was more than only a boxer.

[@salihkurtovic9747]

Ali so smart and real champ

[@irenegaruba48]

Ali was smarter than Joe. Ali never encouraged anyone instigating two of them to fight! He Said, “ Mike you’re agitating”. So intelligent!

[@larryl4216]

Ali was the champion he never lost the belt in the ring.they stripped his title from him for refusing to go in the army.im a Vietnam vet I've heard hundreds of other vet say that it did not bother them at all he had the right to do that he'll thousands of guys went to Canada thousands used the college excuse so he stood up with his religious belief.they did him a terrible injustice to ban him and take his title.thats my opinion...he was the champ at that time.

[@dramticend7818]

smokin jow being cocky right now but later he realizes how great ali is and becomes humble . Little does the agitating interviewer know of how they will become best friends and great rivals

[@urma3137]

Frazier was always humble. You've got your comment the wrong way around. It was Ali who talked the big game and got fucking embarrassed on the night. Who was looking up at the ceiling in the first fight? Oh yeah 😂

[@therealc.t.7085]

These men were never best friends lol

[@ripwinkle6633]

@@therealc.t.7085 They were frienemies. Deep down they both had heavy respect for each other.

[@ripwinkle6633]

@@urma3137 Maybe Joe shouldn't have started it then? Especially not when Ali was still in danger of prison, not returning and he was out of shape. Ali gave Joe a taste of his own medicine.

[@therealc.t.7085]

Rip Winkle respect, yes but Joe has never liked Ali. Ali didn’t hate Joe though.

[@steedwards3765]

Ex champ Joe.Ali best sportsman on earth ever....

[@DrProfX]

Ali and Frazier were the best thing that ever happened to boxing... Both were good men... If Ali had to do it over he'd be nicer to Joe... after their 3rd fight in Manila Ali was full of praises for Frazier for his heart... I think it was in Manila that Ali apologized for some stuff he had said... Frazier said some mean stuff about Ali after Ali got sick but later said was sorry... I think before Joe (RIP) died the two made peace and Ali went to his funeral...

[@1wannabee1]

You are being VERY convenient with what you say. Ali said that if Joe beat him? Ali would crawl on his hands and knees across the ring and congratulate him. DID Ali do that? Pft. Then later? he told Joe's son to pass a message to him saying that he apologised. Wanna know what Joe said when his son gave him that message from Ali? Joe said, 'if he was a REAL 'man'? he would have come himself and told me'. So in my book? Ali may have been the greatest boxer, but when it comes to being a 'human being'? Joe Frazier surpasses Ali by a mile.

[@RudyB-ti8ye]

Frazier was the man. He mostly fought and didn't teach young people to mock their opponents and practice poor sportsmanship. Ali could box some but he hurt all sports by showing kids rude behavior.

[@matthewellis8626]

This is the one time Frazier held his own verbally with All. He had some Good exchanges and always said he could have played more Games than Ali if he wanted to. This makes me Believe it

[@lwmson]

He held his own "verbally" because Ali chose not to retaliate and give that White talk show host the satisfaction of seeing two Black men fight each other on TV. Joe could compete with Ali in the ring but he was no match for him in a verbal exchange. That's why he became so angry and wanted to fight Ali after Ali called him "ignorant" on the TV set several years later. But was the instigator of the argument that lead to a brawl.

[@krishnachankar590]

Look at the fights so many times the are all classic the first was the greatest of them all rip 🙏 both gone to soon

[@chrisjames5188]

Never seen ali like this he seemed genuinely pissed with the situation and the host

[@MrTZone8891]

"I'm the baddest in the world. Hey man, you look like Joe Frazier." Lmao.

[@shaynelahmed6323]

Joe, you tried talking the talk...just could not walk the walk.....Ali! Ali! Ali!

[@abdulaidainkeh2756]

Lemme tell u sum boi Frazier did both walk the walk and talk the talk

[@duprez2]

@@abdulaidainkeh2756 Joe was a great champion. He definitely WALKED THE WALK. But he never could TALK THE TALK against Ali. That's why he was so bitter against Muhammad. Any fighter who called Ali CLAY had hell to PAY.

[@abdulaidainkeh2756]

duprez2 I agree ur definitely right

[@joesphgallo5534]

Ali was three years off ! Joe could never beat Ali he his prime

[@newzild1]

They fought each other three times and all three fights were close.

[@stevenashe8900]

This had to be around early to mid 1969 because they were talking about a POSSIBLE bout between Frazier and Jimmy Ellis to unify the title. That fight actually took place in February 1970 and as of this interview the contract hadn’t even been signed yet.

[@loyaldude10]

I think in 69 they were talking about Ali fighting Frazier in Toronto since he couldn’t get a license to fight in US

[@falanajerido875]

Greatest athlete if all times

[@davidgladwin5708]

JOE FRAZIER WAS A INSPIRATION&GENTLEMAN

[@ekamalakar7961]

Ali is the GREATEST OF ALL TIMES...

[@timsmith2279]

Drug cheat of all times

[@stawmtroopa1968]

This is why Ali was so brutal verbally w Frazier. The forgotten unpublicized disrespect shown by Joe on this show sheds light on what Ali called Tommin for the white power structure. You can clearly see how hurt, humiliated, and down Ali is on this clip.

[@hammad9091]

Joe has his reasons for doing what he did on this show. Don't act like Ali didn't do anything wrong to him prior to this.

[@ripwinkle6633]

@@hammad9091 What did Ali do prior to 1969?

[@hammad9091]

Rip Winkle If you wanna know the full story, look up the book Ghosts of Manila by Mark Kram Jr. Basically Ali went on a radio and started talking smack about Joe Frazier unprovoked. This confused Joe as he thought they were friends and Ali tried to explain that this was all to hype up the fight and Ali’s all just business. Joe wasn’t about hyping fights by doing these kind of things, so he took it personal. Ali continued his verbal on insults, so Frazier responded by this what you see in the video. That’s how their bitter rivalry started. I love both these men, ignorant fools gotta stop shitting on one or the other without knowing what really happened. Both men made some mistakes. But both remained great and were amazing human beings as well.

[@ripwinkle6633]

@@hammad9091 Yeah I understand. If only Joe understood the purpose, those 2 would be great friends. And if only Ali calmed the smack talk down although as you said he explained it was just fight business.

[@lwmson]

@@hammad9091 I don't know of anything that Ali could have said prior to 1969 that would be viewed as extremely insulting. He may have said things to the effect of "Joe's not the real world champion. I am. He's just an imitation champ." But this was long before the pre-fight hypes of calling him "ugly" or a "Tom." Kram's book, like that HBO thing that came out years ago, was too biased and slanted to Frazier to the point that it was just propaganda.

[@bambangharniko3928]

Not only skill boxing , but talent and kharisma Mohamad Ali which one make the grtest.

[@stepoffthebeatenpath7765]

Again called him Clay when his name’s Muhammad Ali.The man’s name is Muhammad Ali

[@lwmson]

@I'll figure it out But he called Joe "the Gorilla" six years AFTER this TV talk show, and this talk show was two years before their first fight, so how the hell could it had been retaliation on Joe's part?

[@ripwinkle6633]

@I'll figure it out But Joe was the first to actually mock Ali. So did Joe time travel and then retaliate?

[@oscallibur5597]

Rip Winkle actually it was Ali a good few months prior who started calling Joe dumb and slow, on a black radio show, after Frazier had helped him out financially. So Ali had pretty much slagged Frazier off to his own people, and ofc bc he’s Muhammad Ali, they ate it up and accepted it.

[@lwmson]

@@oscallibur5597 Please back that up with a source.

[@eddiesoul4890]

First of all Ali started that whole thing as far back as '67 when they ran into each other they both knew they were and Ali started joking about the clothes he had on..So why is it when other fighters dis respects him then all of a sudden they are wrong???...Here this man helped you out but as soon as the camera is on he starts disrespecting so to me "CLAY" is really the "UNCLE TOM" Making white people laugh by giving and calling other fighters names all the while he supposed to be a righteous FOI "FRUIT OF ISLAM" So to me he was not that at all...

[@colinjennings3661]

Ali looks quite heavy here. Ali and Frazier didn't like each other but the respect between them was immense.

[@jamessmythe1891]

Notice how quiet and subdued Ali looks and sound, no drugs, no screaming and shouting.

[@qigong92]

He looked pissed abit from my point of view cause Joe Frazier called him Clay. The both were great boxers and the end of the day.

[@sandysun8520]

No ....joe call him clay....to make him angry....and Ali is ok to get called as clay from Joe...Ali said in interview

[@lwmson]

Actually, he was VERY pissed at Joe for calling him "Clay," which was why he retaliated at times by calling him an "Uncle Tom" for doing this. But yet Joe would spent the rest of his life whining about Ali calling him a "Tom," but was too dumb to realize that he was the one who instigated that.

[@japsley6172]

If indeed, they didn’t let Ali know Frazier was going to be there, the that was pretty shabby. Muhammad showed his class here.

[@timsmith2279]

Ali looked very nervous, subdued, probably he didn’t take his usual drugs that made him mouthy, scream and shout.

[@elcabrito21]

It's easy to love Ali but you learn to love Frazier as well

[@ceritapulliam696]

Exactly!!!

[@ibziahmed9750]

ali and fraizer were are incomplete without each other

[@deeks1970]

Wow! Mike Douglas was a real jerk that day. That was a dangerous move and it was irresponsible. What people will do for ratings! What a piece of work! >=\

[@1wannabee1]

I dont agree with what this interviewer did. But for you to have a dig at him to gain 'ratings'? amounts to NOTHING compared to what Ali was prepared and did to promote HIS ratings. I mean lets keep it real here at least. What Ali did to Joe was un'forgiveable! FACT

[@anthonyfulginitti516]

Joe Frazier ………….he proved it……say any nonsense……….Heavyweight Champion of the world

[@hakar1]

When i was a kid i knew nothing about boxing but i knew muhammed ali, so mohammed ali is right, he is recognised worldwide and nobody knew Joe Frazier outside the boxing business

[@nickslade3978]

It must’ve been considered the biggest event on earth when they finally fought 2 years later 🥊 🥊

[@amenkanzou3623]

RIP mohammad ali

[@fredsalfa]

Havent seen this before - fantastic to watch them both trying to outsmart each other - Just doesn't happen nowadays.

[@bjsing247]

This is one of the most interesting interviews of Ali I've ever seen. I was confused with his behavior until someone said that he didn't have his license back yet. He was not going to promote any kind of fun, bragging, or taunting Frazier when he didn't have a license to fight. Frazier just didn't understand it. This was the greatest fighter AND fight promoter of all time. Ali was an absolute genius outside the ring and above all else, a total class act. Poor Frazier, he was one of the greatest fighters of all time, but he really was very stupid.

[@robertbutler5286]

Frazier was irritated because most people didn’t recognize him as the champ. It takes a small minded individual to call him stupid. He and Ali did become friends and I don’t think Ali would appreciate anyone calling his friend Joe Frazier stupid.

[@soleknight3212]

@@robertbutler5286 Frazier perhaps SOUNDED a bit "dumb" but he was NOT. Also, this interview was while Ali was STILL banned and I was really shocked to see how cocky and trash-talky Frazier was here. It has always been painted as though Ali "suddenly turned on an innocent Frazier" with all the trash talk and bad blood - but I now call BULLSHIT. Both tangoed together

[@lwmson]

@@soleknight3212 It was painted in that propaganda HBO documentary Thrilla in Manila, but many failed to understand that it was propaganda.

[@thelevisullivan]

@@soleknight3212 Joe was in the wrong for calling Ali “Clay” but Ali was just as in the wrong for calling Joe an “Uncle Tom.” Both men had blood on their hands.

[@lwmson]

@@thelevisullivan I disagree. It was tit for tat. Frazier dissed Ali and Ali just returned the fire.

[@musketerr12]

This was extremely low on joe fraziers and mike douglas's part as they both tricked ali and tried to make a fool of him on national tv.

[@mccann82]

+nightowlhooting he's coming for you too.

[@Noxxiie]

+nightowlhooting You're a sick person. It's disgusting how you disrespect someone like that. You clearly need to educate yourself

[@kingkang432]

+nightowlhooting no wanker he was not just a celeb. nor was he just a boxer. He worked hard to promote civil rights, took a stand where he refused to compromise his principles and beliefs and has engaged in significant amounts of humanitarian work and acts during and after his retirement. why don't you actually go read about the man before spouting ridiculous ass comments. Bloody idiot.

[@christianali5431]

+nightowlhooting he did.

[@TheTessEffects]

+nightowlhooting, that was really silly to say . . .

[@lwmson]

I don't know who downloaded this film clip, but I'm certainly glad that they did. It shows that Joe Frazier wasn't the innocent saint that HBO Manila doc made him out to be, and why Ali called him an Uncle Tom. As evidenced by this video, Frazier would insist on calling him "Cassius Clay," and Ali called him a Tom for doing it, just as he did Terrell and Patterson when they, like Joe, didn't respect his name change. But when Ali called Joe a Tom for doing this, as he did to both Patterson and Terrell for doing the same, Joe spent his entire life whining about it. But it was just tit for tat.

[@jonhaynes1577]

The way you spew your opinion reminds me that opinions are like ass holes everybody got one

[@lefez9015]

@@jonhaynes1577 So what did he say that was incorrect? Go on.

[@jahleelx9270]

He didn't call Terrell and Patterson gorillas and walk around in big gorilla suits taunting him and punching gorilla dolls. And their kids didn't get bullied in school.

[@lefez9015]

@@jahleelx9270 He called them both Uncle Tom's, called Patterson a rabbit and punished both of them on the ring. Frazier was no exception, Ali didn't ask or want Frazier's kids to get bullied in school.

[@lwmson]

@@jahleelx9270 But he called Patterson "The Rabbit" and presented him with lettuce and carrots at his training camp. He also called Liston "The Bear" and brandished a bear trap. These were just gimmicks to promote fights and to say that he was a making racial attack on Frazier by calling him "The Gorilla" is just stupid. As for Joe's kids getting bullied, well, the media was more so to blame for this than Ali. Going into their first fight, it was the media that portrayed Joe as the champion for the right wing conservatives and Joe certainly didn't help his case much by insisting on calling Ali Clay as he does here.

[@zay7808]

25 year old Joe Frazier 27 year old Ali time really flies.. A bygone era even if you were in your 20s at this time you’re in you’re late 70s and eighties today just think how many ppl that were alive in 1969 which would be billions across the world at the time are mostly dead in 2023.. Appreciate life it goes by fast

[@PlaneNose]

May Allah rest your soul Muhammad Ali, you are always the best.

[@Fishinntree]

mike douglas really pisses me off here. that aint right to surprise ali like that and antagonize the both of them. reminds me of jerry springer.....

[@apefilms7221]

A lot of people don't realize what was really going on between Frazier and Ali in this interview. Muhammad Ali had time on his hands and was constantly looking for ways to keep his name in the news. He toured college campuses, and even appeared in a Broadway play. He was already building the hype for what he knew was eventually going to be The Fight of the Century. Two different undefeated, Heavyweight Champion of the Worlds fighting to settle the matter once and for all who's the real champ. That had never happened in all of boxing history. The two main boxing organizations at the time were the New York Athletic Commission, and the WBA. Joe was the NYAC Champ, and Jimmy Ellis was the WBA Champ. Ali was expecting them to unify the belts. Then Ali will have his license back and fight the winner to prove once and for all who's the undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World. Or, if things don't go as planned, and he loses his Supreme Court appeal, he goes to jail as a draft dodger. Jimmy Ellis was actually a fighter in Ali's camp trained by Angelo Dundee, the same guy that trained Ali. In a fight to unify the belts, most people expected Joe Frazier to To beat Ellis. As part of his psychological war against Joe Frazier & in anticipation of them fighting in about a year, Muhammad Ali moved to the Overbrook section of Philadelphia. Joe had lived in Philadelphia since he was 16, and had a gym in North Philadelphia. When Muhammad Ali moved to West Philadelphia, obviously it made the local news. Everybody in town was aware that Muhammad Ali was now living in Overbrook, not far from where both Wilt Chamberlain, and Will Smith used to live. Once he moved to Philadelphia, Muhammad Ali began stalking Joe Frazier around town, especially anytime he knew Joe was going to be making a public appearance. He taunted and insulted Joe at every opportunity. He was rallying everyone in Joe Frazier's hometown to turn against Joe. At one point, he stalked Joe Frazier down to Fairmont Park where Joe was working out and began taunting him there. Joe got so pissed off that they were going to fight for real. But because they would get arrested for public fighting, Joe challenged Ali to show up at his gym about an hour later. Ali not only showed up, but he roamed through the streets of North Philadelphia shouting out to everyone that would hear that the fight is about to go down. Businesses started closing up and word spread throughout all of North Philadelphia that an Ali / Frazier fight is about to happen for real!!! Eventually a crowd of over 10,000 people showed up, and flooded the area. It became a major thing, and police came toshut the whole thing down. It was all over the news that night, so everybody in Philadelphia heard about it. There's photos of Ali taunting Joe at his own gym that you can find online taken just before police ordered everybody to disperse. Police thought it was Ali drawing up publicity for a fight, and Ali was trying to be careful not to get arrested because he was still trying to get his boxing license back. Ali then announced to the crowd that they were going to take the fight back to the park, because the police chased him out of the neighborhood. When Joe didn't show up at the park, Ali announced to everybody that Joe was chickenshit, and too afraid to show up. He also made everybody believe that Joe had something to do with the police showing up because he was too afraid to fight. That's the way Joe is, he works for the enemy. Ali continued the taunts of Joe being an Uncle Tom Negro who works for the white man, too afraid to fight the real champion for the title at every opportunity while he was living in Philadelphia. That's why Joe Frazier keeps calling him Clay. He refused to use the name Muhammad Ali, because he wasn't a righteous man. Joe said that just because he changed his name to Muhammad ali, and says he's a minister, that don't make him one. Frasier said a real man don't talk, a real man do. Joe Frazier helped Muhammad Ali out by giving him money, testifying before Congress on his behalf and even petitioned the President of the United States to help get Ali's boxing license back. He felt betrayed when Muhammad Ali started calling him names, so he refused to call him by his new Muslim name and insisted by calling him by his slave name of Cassius Clay. Joe said that he is not a righteous man, so I refuse to treat him like one. And when we do get in the rain, I'm going to kill him. Now if you go back and watch the interview on the Mike Douglas show, you can see the references to all of this in Joe's conversation. He talks about Ali trying to run him out of his own hometown, and how Joe was ready to fight him right then and there at the gym. The Mike Douglas show was filmed in Philadelphia. When Joe got word that Ali was going to be on the show he went downtown to make sure he was on TV challenging Ali to kick his ass right to his face so that everyone in Philadelphia would see it. The producers of the Mike Douglas show likely had no idea Joe was going to show up until he actually showed up. That's why it starts out as a surprise, because they had no idea that Joe was going to come to the show, but since he already lived in at a gym in North Philly it was only a 20 minute cab ride. Muhammad Ali knew Joe Frazier was on edge. He had gone after Ali with the tire iron a short time before this interview at another time when Ali was stalking him, and taunting him in his hometown. That's why Muhammad Ali is so stressed out when Joe Frazier comes out, and he's very careful to be respectful in all of his language because he knew that Joe Frazier was liable to come after him right then and there on the TV show. He not only thought it might happen, he was practically expecting it to happen and was quite a bit nervous. You can see Joe is pissed off from beginning to end, and making it clear to everybody in Philly that was watching the show that he is not afraid of Muhammad Ali and he'll kick his f****** ass right here on the TV show if he pops off at me. Ali knew it as well, that's why he was very careful with his words throughout the whole interview. He knew that Frazier was a powder keg about to explode. To ali, it was all a game. He's got his promotion hat on 24/7 and is always just building hype for the fight. That and trying to screw up his opponent's head. To Ali it's all business, nothing personal. To Joe it's all personal, and I don't give a s*** about business I just want to kick your ass. A short time after this, Ali moved from West Philadelphia to across the river in Cherry Hill New Jersey. His tax situation was better there, and he was now less than 90 minutes from New York City, in case he needed to go there for business. He would go back and forth in a mobile home that he purchased, and return to his home in New Jersey at night. Because he was still living just 15 minutes outside the Philadelphia city limits, he could still stalk Joe, especially at some of the appearances Joe made in the area as a singer with his group Joe Frazier and the Knockouts. Ali would show up and then heckle Joe from the audience until they kicked him out. So there was a lot going on before Joe Frazier unexpectedly showed up at this appearance on the Mike Douglas show. Ali was nervous as hell throughout this interview cuz he didn't know what was going to happen, not just during the show but as soon as the show was done filming as well. Ali wasn't ready for this. He expected to be appearing by himself, and likely had an entire agenda on how he wanted to use the appearance on a nationally televised talk show filmed in Philadelphia to his advantage. Joe was super focused on using the appearance to make sure that this is what everybody's going to be talking about in North Philly tomorrow. Not Joe Frazier being afraid to fight Muhammad Ali in the incident between the two of them that was in the papers and local TV news just days earlier.

[@thebreak-down796]

So you're saying Frazier tried to help Ali get his license back and gave Ali money before this interview? And what source do you get this from? It seems you're unaware of an interview they did together in 1970 in Frazier's car after this interview. To say Ali was afraid because Frazier was there is malarkey!!!! Ali didn't like the fact they didn't tell him Frazier was going to be on there. Ali was not clowning and acting up on television doing this time !1968/1969)because he was kicked out the Nation. Again, what sources Frazier help him get his licenses back and gave him money before this interview?

[@CoEviSessions]

@@thebreak-down796 Good question, but the person's post was quote interesting.

[@apefilms7221]

@@thebreak-down796 - It's very well documented that Joe Frazier helped out Muhammad Ali during the time Ali's license was suspended. Frazier makes mention of it in numerous interviews, and it's public knowledge that he petitioned Congress and paid a visit to the White House to ask President Nixon to help get Ali's boxing license reinstated. Also, the reason that Muhammad Ali was nervous about Joe Frazier suddenly appearing at this television appearance on the Mike Douglas show filmed in Philadelphia was that it occurred just a short time after they had a big public display outside of Joe Frazier's gym in North Philadelphia. Ali was trying to run Joe Frazier out of town, something that Frazier makes mention of in this interview. Ali then says that he wasn't trying to run Joe out of town, only that he said the town wasn't big enough for two different Heavyweight Champions.

[@J1283-s1k]

Best answer here. Was hoping someone would bring up the incidents in the gym in Philadelphia to establish the background.

[@lwmson]

@@thebreak-down796 This idiot keeps contending that Joe was financially supporting Ali during his exile and that Frazier was lobbying politicians to help Ali get his license back. But he doesn't seem to realize that Joe wasn't doing this out of the goodness of his heart. He did this to get a bout with Ali. knowing that he would make a multi-million payday, the likes of which he couldn't make with any other fighter.

[@Johnnyrocks34]

Ali was a professional fighter. I saw him fight and he was really good. Very fast. He talked a lot. Frazier was lefty. Very tough. Both were professional boxers

[@nsm487]

so frazier started it and when ali turned it on he started getting offended

[@fashizzle78]

"what do you call Muhammad?" Joe Frazier "I call him Clay!" Ali lookin pissed .Frazier sittin there like ain't nobody sweatin you bruh 😅

[@americanIDOLfan11111]

My research? Frazier was the first one ever to talk shit. He was cocky... but then got all butt hurt when Ali called him dumb and an uncle tom.

[@arjundev8090]

Get your research right idiot

[@hellsing3062]

Based on my observation, people weren't too good with research work, 6 yrs ago.

[@lwmson]

@@arjundev8090 His research is correct. You're the idiot. This video itself is proof that "humble" Joe Frazier was the instigator.

[@hiawathasmalls3397]

frazier was doing most of the sh-t-talking during this interview for a change

[@CoEviSessions]

If you enjoyed this interview and want to know some details about their first fight, then go type in Carlos Coté Breakdown Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier first fight on KZbin.

[@afud1015]

where can I find the full interview?

[@philiphenderson1720]

Watching this I realize, yes they did hate each other, but they did in a way admire one another and know how to perform for "Hollywood "

[@chicathegreencheekconure17]

It was Frazier who started the feud. Calling him Clay. Ali has no licence here. Nobody knew if he ever will box at this stage. You can see that he(ali) is angry but he cannot talk much because he had to be humble to get his licence back. So frazier started this shit. Muhammad finished it

[@blite13]

Joe gave Ali money when he wasn't fighting. Joe helped Ali get his license back. Ali was calling Joe all kinds of names and tried to embarrass him at all times. So Joe gave it back. Ali treated Joe badly when Joe helped helped him. Stab in the back.

[@soleknight3212]

@blite13 Factually incorrect. Joe may have supported him because he wanted that fight. This interview here CLEARLY shows that Frazier was calling Ali "Clay" (the worst insult to Ali) as early as 1969!!! Some have argued Joe was saying it back in 1967 and his management team also often referred to him as "Clay". People like to claim Joe was this innocent guy in the whole affair and its horsecrap. I mean come on dude, it's there right in front of your eyes. I think he was rattled by some of the things Ali had been saying out in public about who the real champ was and all that, but that was Ali. There is nothing on record of Ali "turning his back" on Joe before this interview or calling him those cruel names that he did, certainly not to the extent of what took place afterwards and before their fight in 1971. I think this played a part in why Ali layed into Joe so much. My two cents. God bless

[@lwmson]

@@blite13 How in the hell could Frazier retaliate as early as 1969, the time this interview took place? This was two years before the first fight and long before Ali engaged in pre-fight hype, which was something he did to all of the guys he fought. Ali hadn't said anything to Joe here and it's Frazier going on the offensive. Many like you overstate the money Joe lent/gave to the point that you imply that Joe was paying Ali's living expenses and that's bullshit. But what ever money he lent Ali and his efforts to help Ali get his license back were not done of the goodness of his heart. He did it to get a lucrative payday with an Ali bout.

[@raymondgreenwood1]

What I do know is these guys really were not enemies behind the scenes they were actually pretty cool.

[@IzzulSayyidi]

When Ali reply "7 days from that fight you will be a week old ghost", everyone laughed and Frazier looked confused.

[@Rafiawinters]

I was confused 😂

[@timsmith2279]

Joe whupped him bad in that fight, probably gave him Parkinson too.

[@reinaldomanuel8488]

@@timsmith2279 Nope, an accumulation of fitghs gave him Parkinson’s. Plus, Frazier didn’t come out of that fitgh looking pretty, Ali had a swollen jaw and Frazier had a swollen face and spent two weeks at the hospital, Ali went on a winning streak while Frazier laying on his bed

[@timsmith2279]

@@reinaldomanuel8488 Are you dumb, use your brain. Joe gave him permanent brain damage. Ali was a fake, chosen by African leaders . He was a drug cheat a former street criminal, a bike stealer who shared platform and agreed with the KKK who wanted all blacks seen with white girls killed!

[@therealc.t.7085]

@@timsmith2279 Frazier never won a meaningful fight again after his fight with Ali. Over two years Frazier only defended the title twice against two bums and than ran into Foreman. Ali fought something like twelve times during those two years(which in hindsight probably wasn’t a good idea). Ali took more out of Frazier in the first fight than Frazier took out of Ali.

Biggest legends Ali, Frazier, Foreman and Tyson.

[@leoderosia9279]

Frazier looked like a brick wall here

[@kingcobra648]

You could tell Ali wasn't in shape. He had bigger fish to fry at the time tho.