Multi FX Vs Pedals | Octave Pedal DEATHMATCH | Scott & Ian’s PEDALBOARDS | The SBL Podcast Ep. 130

If you crave pedal power it can be tough deciding where to begin - let alone where to go from there. There’s an astonishing array of stompboxes out there; despite the rise of more affordable multi-effects units, but what do they all do? Will they improve your sound, or just turn it to mush?
In today’s episode, we examine the secrets behind our own effects setups, explore Ian's octave pedal collection and round off the whole shebang with a delve into our gear of the week!
In this episode:
• What’s on Scott’s pedalboard?
• How Ian got to grips with the HX Stomp
• Scott’s go-to looper pedal
• Stompboxes vs Multi-FX: The pros and cons.
• And much more!
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Video Breakdown:
00:00:00 - Introduction
00:05:15 - Single Pedals VS Multi FX
00:11:00 - Scott’s Pedalboard
00:19:37 - Ian’s Pedalboard
00:32:21 - The Octave Pedal Shootout
00:46:15 - SBL in 2024
00:51:50 - Player of the Week (Hadrien Feraud)
01:02:11 - Question of the Week
01:14:00 - Gear of the Week
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[@devinebass]

Thanks in advance everyone! This is the FIRST long form podcast that we've done on this channel... and, we're wanting as MUCH feedback as possible from all of YOU! Please, let us know your thoughts... do you want one of these per week? Did you enjoy the segments? We're gonna check ALL the comments... we wanna make this awesome for you all! Thanks! Scott :)

[@charlescdt6509]

Any plans on putting different tunings like Drop D on the groove app?

[@adamwalcott_official]

Please do this weekly. It is the most genuine form of discussion. The fact Scott didn't like the "gear of the week" is great for discussion. Also the blind hearing test was brilliant. You should do that with different effects, maybe not weekly but monthly or bi-weekly. Have a good one, cheers!

[@MrPgbass]

Hey Scott, hope you’re good! Please get back to me brother…….be good to have a catch - up 👍🏻 (Great Channel!)

[@sumeursault]

Thank you for uploading the video in chapters so I could "fast-forward" to the part that interested me 👍

[@berniebassman1382]

Hey Guys, that was amusing and very very informative to me. The Octave Pedal Test was very interessting even though i only that sound on exactly one Song ;-) I wonder if you can take an Expert look on the ToneX Pedal from IK Multimedia in one of the next Podcasts.

[@JamilAlexandre1]

Bass stuff aside. I adore your completely genuine friendship with each other. Love this channel.

[@TSE_WOODY]

Chemistry is great to watch

[@wintonwhite7909]

Absolutely! They got me laughing as well. And I flipped out at pedal #3, too!

[@havardask]

I love the laughing 👍😄

[@geebenson7240]

Love your guys knowledge on everything Bass! ⭐️

[@WilDBeestMF]

Twin brothers, for sure.

[@jhc82681]

I dig the new format. Please please please do more blind pedal tests for a range from mega cheap to mega pricey. So wholesome!!!

[@-processdrone-]

I've got to say I dip in to the channel every so often , this is by far my favourite thing I've seen on the youtube channel. This was a good move. I like the diversity of topics in this format. To Scott saying he'd quite like something more like an MX stomp but with more knobs & less menu diving. I have one that's got 84 different models in it lots of knobs and separate footswitches AND you can pick one up , used, for about the same price as a single modern day pedal! It's .... The line 6 M13! It really is a half way point between individual pedals and MX stomp world, which isn't a surprise given its place in the timeline of Line 6 development. It's saved me a fortune in individual pedals. You should try one, with the absolute confidence that if you don't get on with it you can sell it for the same price you bought it, nothing really to lose but the postage cost.

[@RedshiftDougal]

Very enjoyable video/podcast (and I don't usually watch 1h20+ YT content). I've been a pedal junkie for over 10 years, so particularly enjoyed the Octave Pedal Shootout. One point of constructive criticism: it would have much more enriching and easy to follow, if, when revealing which octaver was which in the sequence, a brief replay of the pedal in question was heard. It would add a minute or so to the overall duration, but would be worth it. Hoping you'll try this in future shootouts. Keep up the great work, guys.

[@gregorygalyan3670]

34:49 Scott says I have a life lol that was a good burn!

[@3020AlexA]

Absolutely great things happening for the bass community on KZbin, and for me this podcast is my favourite content. An absolute must watch. Look forward to it every week.

[@devinebass]

thanks, Alex! :)

[@eskilseter]

27:00 Scott: What you want is the HX Effects. More switches, same effects as the HX Stomp (just no amp modeling), and the editing is much more like editing on individual pedals. Just touch the switch that controls the "pedal" you want to edit, and now you can adjust its settings using the knobs on the unit. No menu diving required, and Ian can help you with presets since it's still an HX unit.

[@devinebass]

defo need to check it out - thanks!

[@Thebassguy0211]

I love you guys talking on the regular pod channel and I loved you talking over here. The knowledge we can take of the two of you is freaking amazing. The blind test was awesome, gear talk kills me everytime (btw, an episode about iem and headphones would be super dope!), maybe something like a one time every month instagram questions answering would make it a bit more interactive. Gear of the week seemed a bit of, maybe something that I wouldn’t do on regular bases, maybe when something new and special gets released ore smth. The length was super dope, helps people really dig in. Looking forward to everything coming, gonna support everything.

[@yurishtapura3189]

You guys so friendly and helpful. Very professional video and very good sound. Thank you.

[@devinebass]

👍👍👍

[@pedrodelawasp]

It was three that Scott wanted to be the cheapest or most expensive, and lo and behold! 😂

[@matthewduncan9405]

The MXR was by far my favorite. Janek nailed it. I went to a boutique dealer and he had some COG Effects octaves and the 3Leaf. I was underwhelmed with that one as well haha. Bought the COG Effects octave :)

[@adamwalcott_official]

I just bought the mxr on reverb, I'm selling my aguilar.

[@edwardbrown561]

T65 is my favorite up/down octave hands down. T16 is the best "little octave" I've used, closest thing to a sub blaster I've played, which is my all time fav

[@espowari]

Yes - put the pod here! I love SBL, but never listen to the pod! Now that it's on the main feed, I'll see it more!

[@ryan5529]

Love the podcast, it's so informative and just a good time. Keep it going boys

[@SwoffBass]

Yes. This is good! So genuine and informative. Sometimes I kinda feel I’m sitting in the room with you. Well done!

[@a.a677]

Love this format and love the discussion on pedals

[@robertmansell3667]

The Chemistry you guys have is so special,I just catch myself grinning all the way through 👏👏👏.

[@SquareWaveSymphonies]

Damn, Ian, I've never heard an Octabvre sound so bad and I play one regularly. 😂 I guess it wasn't designed to give you the most bottom end, but more of an edgy synth sound, after all.

[@bassically7882]

They did the Octabvre dirty! It's my favorite out of the OC-2 & Mutron that I actually own.

[@danepaulstewart8464]

❤️❤️ This format! Hell yes! It’s totally working for me! Im addicted and can’t get enough. 🤘😍🤘

[@andrewpinner3181]

Thanks guys for another great video & wishing you both & your families a very Happy New Year ! (& indeed anybody watching) !

[@mrmr66]

Loved this!!! Keep doing it!

[@Iofflight78]

Loved the longer format. And thanks Ian for running us through your octave pedals though I think the glaring omission was the Octabvre MKII.

[@brandonhead4816]

Well done guys. 🙏🏼 You both have a great dynamic

[@tonyjanusky]

This is awesome on so many levels! You guys have such great chemistry and a great friendship! Great variety of topics covered too! I came for the Octave comparison, but stayed for the whole enchilada! Nicely done, lads! Cheers from Toronto - until next time! (Ian, don't forget about my idea for bassist features :D).

[@jeremyhadden7412]

You Guys are Monsters! all the things you do for this bass community. Love all of it. Thank you!

[@Johnhwbaker]

I'm with Scott on the Multi-Effects. I can't stand having to scroll through the menus and stuff, I like to keep it simple. I had an HX Stomp for a while, but I ended up selling it. It was great to have because of all the options, but I spent more time on the floor messing with the settings than I did just playing. It did help me discover which effects I truly loved and needed on my board. Now I have 7 or so pedals on my board but it's simple and streamlined and works for me.

[@mwgee1]

Keep it up! Please do this every week!

[@lesdaley7293]

Love whatever you guys do. Love this too.

[@dlannom04]

Love you guys, have been listening/watching the podcast for months. Love it and appreciate everything you do for the Bass Community! … also love the Star Wars references 🤣🤣🤣

[@devinebass]

Can't have enough Star Wars references!!

[@tplank216]

The podcast video hang is my favorite thing that you two do together. It should 100% be a regular thing on the sbl channel. Cheers!

[@sonicassassin4131]

The Pearl octaver is great and was on my pedalboard for many years but now I am using a Boss SY 1000 to create synth sounds and I am totally happy with it.

[@porridgeorange]

Huge SBL podcast fan. I love the insights on bass, on gear, on music and on life! I usually watch on the SBL site or listen on my Google's podcast platform. I'll give them a watch here to help support the channel. Love the energy!

[@comfortmylliemngap9490]

Some new stuff i have never imagined exist for bass.❤

[@devinebass]

Right?! It's pretty incredible what is available for bass players nowadays!!

[@aaronl7669]

hilarious episode! the pedal comparison was fun.

[@JorgeGarcia-ej3vy]

Really enjoyed the pedal shootout. I perceived that the OC derived pedals sounded similar enough to be a was, with the exception of the behringer which was hollow maybe due to the mids switch. The pearl surprised me, I liked that one. Not a fan of the HX octaver but I can see a place for it. Super cool thanks for the content guys

[@CharlieDvoidoffunk]

Great video. Let’s do what you have to have in a bass. Nut material, woods, string through? Neck through? Fretboard material. Build your best bass.

[@sarasuggs4583]

You guys are so GREAT TOGETHER,,,I learn & have fun EVERY SHOW,,,,thank you 🎸🤠

[@jamesgoddin8880]

I've got to get me an HX Stomp. They're great for guitar AND they're great for bass too. To my ears, the HX stomp had the purest octave, which you could add other FX to if necessary

[@IanMartinAllison]

YES

[@rkharper]

Not gonna defend 3Leafs pricing and sales. But the tone knob on the Octavbre goes from OC-2 to Mutron, there's absolutely no lack of bass, if setup "correctly".

[@IanMartinAllison]

It was in the OC-2 setting for this. Mutron setting was (is) even less low end.

[@tylerhonsel8136]

Thank you for the wisdom and the support guys!!

[@ronwood7029]

Love the interaction between you and your genuine discussion of things bass

[@leethebassplayer4902]

Love the new format. Once a week, if possible , would be awesome

[@devinebass]

hey, Lee - once a week is EXACTLY what we're going to aim for :)

[@bertoArtigaBass]

Hey, Guys! Just want to say that I love every single bit of this. It is truly amazing! One thing I would love to see that may be just for me, lol, is that I would love to see a praise and worship bassist. I know that almost every genre is covered, and I have taken notes from all of it, but getting into the contemporary praise and worship area would be awesome for me. To be able to hear from an instructor that gets into what would serve a congregation by leading behind a bass, and how to fill different types of moments, and items like that would be an amazing thing to see in the SBL realm! I started playing about 12 years ago for church, and this is where I began. Thanks, yall!

[@lewismorland5725]

Love the podcast, the longer format and having you guys just let loose and chat about whatever comes up is great. A few people I follow on here (unrelated to bass) keep their podcasts on separate channels because the KZbin algorithm apparently doesn't like the longer format videos so they end up getting less views. Can't hurt to try though, the podcast will keep its following whether it's here or elsewhere! I prefer audio only to listen when I'm driving or working, etc.

[@krispykrunkdonut]

ive been on an Octave pedal search for a long time. settled on an OCtamizer being 95% of what was in my head about a year ago. But a few weeks ago i stumbled across the Emma Electronics OKTO NOJS and BAM! thats the Octave sound ive been chasing. Multifx are great but there is something magical about finding "the" pedal.

[@mrmatthew2443]

So right

[@patrickmcmullen752]

Every podcast I listen to, all have video that I watch, so please continue with this format. I love the channel. Also, great subject for this one. I use pedals at home as learning tools. I use a looper and an EHX Freeze pedal to learn tunes and chord tones. I don't really use pedals when I play live.

[@josiahsawatzky557]

Pedalnetics is Jason, my duo just cleared customs this morning very excited to expand my HX Stomp!

[@WilliamTrimble]

I really liked this format, and feel it would translate to the audio only podcast very well. You both have amazing insight into the instrument, entertain with incredible banter, and make it seem more like a candid conversation, rather than a planned topic filled session. I am excited to hear that more playing will be included...it's what I come hoping for. As far as the pedal vs. multi-fx...Icurrently use a Zoom b3n . I've always gravitated to the bass processors, starting 25ish years ago with the Digitech BP50... as for me they were always the better bang for my budget, and much like Ian said, it sounds good to me, which mattered most. I may not know what I'm missing sticking with the multi, but I've never had complaints about tone, and once I got used to the interface it became the perfect balance of stomp box, amp/cab modeling. Again, this may be long winded, but I truly appreciate what the channel does, and look forward to how you continue to adapt and grow the brand.

[@yojon1212]

I watched Scott's demo of a Darkglass distortion pedal, which cost $499. So I was interested and was shopping. My brother, who is also a bass player and uses pedals, recommended for me the ZOOM B6 multi-effect unit which has two Darkglass pedals integrated plus a ton of effects for $499. It works for me and you guys are making some great points on both sides of the choice. I am actually using an Ampeg Optocomp running into the ZOOM unit because the compression is always on for me.

[@LearnWithStephen]

Tell you what, your 'how not to have your octave bass glitchy' video was amazingly useful. Many thanks!!

[@devinebass]

Good to hear that video helped you!! 🧡🧡🧡

[@evenseb7574]

Brilliant 🏆. Best pedl show

[@newmanana]

I absolutely guarantee that the jazz bass with flatwounds is so much more than “one trick” 😂😂😂

[@lunacy_bass]

I got the Spotify notification and looked for it on the SBL Podcast KZbin. Then I remembered you talked about moving to the main channel, so here I am.

[@Lowkeybassist]

i need this once a week love the podcast

[@thunderhand64_gaming2]

Hey there, Lads. Genuinely enjoyed this. More, please ⚡👊

[@izzyhigs]

Great episode guys as always, gearwise I'd personally love to see an episode on wireless units, pedal board mounted vs rack mounted?

[@GrantFunkyFrabe]

I run a helix floor. It has been one of the best investments ever. I can show up armed with anything i need in the moment and no amp. Its so lovely

[@LCA1985]

Amazing content guys. ❤🎉😊

[@djrea4815]

3leaf pedals dont actually get sold on the 2nd hand market for 1k+. I've seen those 5k, 3k, 2.222k listings. those people are just trolling. I have seen stuff sell for under 1k though, e.g. chromatrons

[@stephenbirchall3024]

Thank you to you both. First time on your podcast, Brilliant video. I will be watching more and listening to spotify too now

[@richsnyder]

I love the OC-3. GUITAR input, POLY mode and RANGE straight up.

[@pabloprimo250]

LOVED THIS NEW FORMAT!! What about bass of the week? A new bass you saw, played or heard?? Player of the week Michael Pipoquinha, this guy is on fire!!

[@davidjcro]

I've gone down the octave rabbit hole. There are some out there I still want to try: the Korg/Yamaha oct-1, and that wild 6 knob Exar oc-04 octavium... Most octaves aim for that boss sound though. I think there's more room for octave experimentation in the pedal space.

[@Terrible_Peril]

The Broughton Synth Voice is one of my holy grail octave sounds and it’s specifically for the non-octave (unison pitch) synth sound. Bumping a bit of that up can take a bass line (especially in a pop or hip hop/ contemporary jazz context) and send it into extreme groove territory.

[@davidjcro]

Yes! Totally want to try that one!

[@mrmatthew2443]

Great point I like my EQD bit commander it’s weird but maybe that’s why I like it . Ya there’s many more octave sounds to be created that are yet to be ., one option is stacking other effects with the OC2 It’s endless which is nice

[@ethnofalcon]

Not an SBL member (thinking about it), but I've been a subscriber for a while. Love your guys' work. As far as the player of the week goes, maybe you should do an SBL member of the week. I'm certain some student would love the shine. And for prospective students, it will help make visible the results of the class. Cheers.

[@groovinonfunk]

Scott, what you're talking about is a Neural Quad Cortex! The perfect multi-fx!

[@ChinoMurray]

I've been watching this channel for years and with this video I realized that these two are different people! It's time to stop using drugs!

[@killslay]

I started out on the regular guitar, and recently just got a bass. The thing I love about it so far is that it feels more plug and play. No need for all the effects to play certain genres or obsessing over getting that perfect tone. I just switch on the amp and the clean tone works in just about every situation

[@robmcd]

Yes! Guitarists chase the tone way too much.

[@theduppykillah]

The first pedal your man plays is the best, followed by 8, side note the channel is top shelf and constantly improving. I dig the little “asides”… the tidbits of offhand info that could only come from bassists with years of experience in all environments. Super informative

[@nigelbass]

i went back and i think i have listen to all the podcasts and loved every minute! scott still owes us an embarrassing story about why he doesn't know about strings

[@devinebass]

lol, it's coming! ;-)

[@thomasfioriglio]

I really enjoyed this. Glad you decided to post on KZbin. This is actually the first full podcast I listened to. I would say stick with this format. Thanks Ian for posting this on your Instagram to find.

[@jasontanner5836]

I listened on the podcast to this episode and had to watch it also. So cool. Love this format. I use the freeeze and volume knob for swells/ambience and now I need a reverb 😂

[@SquizbarDeAlienOfficial]

The boss bass synth is my favorite pedal. It’s quirky and sounds absolutely amazing on both guitar and bass. I love it so much I bought two 😂

[@r3ality1]

This was great! I got an OC-5 for Xmas to replace my old/broken EBS Octabass, and have been very pleased with it. Hearing these side by side was really cool, and did show how different they really can be. Now, yeah, they all have knobs and switches that can change the sound in any number of ways, but I still found this really worthwhile.

[@devinebass]

Glad you found this useful!!

[@joe2788]

Loved this. New segment ideas: 1.Quickest to recreate a sound: Both choose a famous bass line (Dune Tune by Level 42 for example) and then both of you time or race each other to see who can recreate the sound quickest with the pedals/gear you have on hand. 2.Film a small portion, to play back during the next podcast, of something outside of the 'studio' environment. I would love to see Scott eat that raw tuna (it's really tasty Scott, you'll love it). I think it would be cool to have something as maybe a bonus feature at the end of each podcast where you play a fun/wholesome moment that took place outside of the 'studio' at the end of each podcast. Encourages people to hang out until the end of the podcast/video too. Player of the week: Jeremy Pritchard, seriously underrated bass player.

[@brazilianmegaman258]

Great video, loved the podcast format. Pedalboard wise, I went from a monster mothership pedalboard with amps to a Helix and haven't looked back since. Haven't used real pedals or amps on a session since late 2017.

[@ivanzolotco8667]

absolutely love this format! podcast on the main channel would work great if you ask me. thanks Scott & Ian :)

[@rwsansom76]

I love my 3Leaf Audio Octavbre pedal (and also the Doom 2 and Proton filter! Spencer makes fantastic pedals!). I also keep a MicroPog on my board, and use both it and the Octavbre regularly.

[@rwsansom76]

With his most recent release of 100 Octavbre pedals this month, he placed 10 units on ebay, and determined a market price of $600-$640.

[@mrmatthew2443]

That’s nuts It’s not worth it with all the other good octave pedals out there .. of course unless you can afford and like then fine..

[@markusjahn9859]

Ordered an used OC-3 for 90 € now because of this 😁great comparision. You Guys are great, keep going!! Merry Christmas!

[@robromero9263]

Love this format! Do more please. I built a boutiquey pedal board which sounds excellent at home but my Helix floor seems to perform better live. In particular Ian’s “Nightmare” preset cuts through 🔥

[@IanMartinAllison]

🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@tonemoreno763]

I love the blind test. I hope you make that a staple to the podcast.

[@TehDFC]

Love watching this on youtube-just love it.

[@tyrone791999]

1,2,6,7,9 my favorites , enjoyed the discussion, keep it up!

[@bennobassosaurus7078]

Fantastic as always gents! how about a Zoom B6 review? lots of people talking it up as one of he better multi's love all these shows and the banter is next level fun! thanks a million

[@theprezenz]

I've tested the HX One and it didn't dissapoint! It's simple and can be very useful for some of us. I've tested the stomp XL and prepare yourself for some menu diving 😉

[@adamwalcott_official]

First of all love the podcast format. I really enjoy the discussion. Also, some boss pedals have rubber pads installed under the foot switch to dampen the click. So your old boss pedals aren't worn out, they just have rubber in there, check it out.

[@willemniehorster9836]

I really enjoyed this, you dudes make me smile!!

[@devinebass]

Cheers, Will!

[@chriscuthbertson]

In a professional gigging context, when you need very specific sounds then I find presets on a multi FX (I run a HX Effects) to be the best option. Also when using playback, you can sync tempo and even preset changes.

[@bluecheetah67]

I finally got to finish watching the entire podcast and I absolutely love it. The interaction between the two of you is genuine and you balance being entertaining with being educational. Scott, you do need to go to a quality sushi restaurant with Ian and you need to try some high end toro (the belly meat of the bluefin tuna), with some sushi rice and real wasabi. I had a liver transplant 3 months ago and one of my only culinary regrets is that I can’t eat raw fish anymore. The octave pedal death match was eye opening. My current favorite, the Aguilar Octamizer, would be another great one to try sometime. The discussion on the business of session playing in the 21st century from the Question of the Week was incredibly useful. I’m an older guy (not that old, lol) coming back to the bass after finishing a separate career and the world has changed. I’m an analog guy adapting to the digital world. Bottom line, keep doing this podcast, it’s a win!

[@habsfan7521]

#3 & #8 are my favourites, despite what Scott said 😉

[@Macna333]

Huge thumbs up!

[@bobmazzola6089]

You guys need to get out more! Seriously, a great job. I wish that I had a tenth of all the information that you make us all available to now as a young bassist back in the McCartney era!

[@wolfgangsaller5843]

I have the HX Stomp, the Markbass Octaver and the EBS Octaver! The last one still rules! I also had one of the first EBS Octavers with grey housing and a defect foot switch! Once switched on and then switched off the octave sound still was there very subtle! My Bandmates always said that this is such a cool sound 😂 I was years ahead in the nineties 😂

[@alicevandenboogaard4278]

Great!! SBL Interactive was my suggestion. Go with it guys!

[@davidthornton5673]

Love this format and I think you guys should do it every week! I think you should add a segment were you break down a bass line on a different song every week. Just my 2 cents.

[@SpiritDK]

my pedal board has 4 pedals on it, starting at the mini Peterson tuner then a Headrush MX5 multi-effect with an MS-60B in the loop more or less locked on the Wictor Wooten setting ending in an MXR M80 bass DI+, it takes up almost no room can easily fit in a bag and it can do anything

[@richardsp2794]

I listened to the first part in the car then finished off on KZbin. Format works for me. I also pinched the shimmer reverb freeze trick for ambience and reamped a bass part in a quiet interlude. Just what it was missing!

[@chris.umberloid]

This was brilliant. Please do more! The octave pedal shoot out was fascinating... good to see the 40-year old OC-2 still up there with the best of them. Would a compressor pedal shoot out be feasible? A synth pedal face off would be awesome too. Oh, and do more.

[@Rustinho]

I've got a Boss ME-50B multi-effects board. It's nowhere near as versatile as modern modelling units like the HX Stomp but it has most stuff you're likely to need and you can program it sequentially for a set list if you want to. It's solidly made (aluminium I think). You can get them second hand for less than £100 so they're perfect if you want variety on a budget. I initially got mine to experiment and see what individual pedals would be most useful to me but haven't needed to replace it.

[@robertproctor6923]

Yall are awesome. Love ya'll ! I love your content!

[@devinebass]

Cheers, appreciate that!

[@jazzman0173]

How about most current slap funk trick ? Hope the pod cast keeps coming ! Or how to use loopers better segment !