Multiplayer and Console Discussion - Space Engineers 2

[@CaptainJack]

Can't wait for multiplayer! :D

[@zat-1-fury]

Can someone mod multiplayer before we actually get multiplayer 😅

[@dan167]

@@zat-1-fury possibly, there is a chance it operates like Minecraft where it is an internal server with no port access intrinsically fundamental to the game plus workshop isn't even open yet

[@NPC-mu9oq]

@@dan167 hopefully the workshop isn't restricted to just player uploading ship blueprints too

[@tacticalturtlez4906]

“We weren’t expecting special forces.” Can’t wait to see what new series comes out when it does. The UGS would allow for much more detail for story driven content.

[@Wheelmeatjr]

I'm excited to see your first video on it!

[@TyDaleChannel]

People be like "Why cant we have everything we want immediately all at once?" Take your time Keen :) This will be awesome, no rush.

[@mz00956]

yes, people need to learn again what early access is xD

[@shanepye7078]

100%

[@SharkStrikeAC]

Anyone who thinks so just shouldn't buy the game now.

[@OG-Capo---]

I agree

[@Profane_Pagan]

I think the matter at hand is not about taking enough time or not but designing the pipeline in a logical way in which the correct building blocks get implemented in the correct order. Keen is doing it right: You can't build a house starting with the roof, and foundation last.

[@TheFakeGooberGoblin]

Counting the days til SE2's release. Couldn't be more hyped for the new grid system irrespective of everything else.

[@ahsokatano6059]

same, the building will be insane, no large grid, no small grid, just grid

[@TheFakeGooberGoblin]

@@ahsokatano6059 grid^2

[@Shaun_Jones]

And this is how builds look with only parts available in the first version of SE1. No, really, I’m almost certain that the only things that they have shown off that weren’t in the game in 2013 are the glass, buttons, and solar panels.

[@wavewalnut9869]

To achieve multiplayer, it is necessary to carefully design the division of roles between client and server processing. In a game like Space Engineers, a huge number of blocks are created, coordinated, and destroyed in an instant, so this is an enormous challenge.

[@theaveragepro1749]

You sound like AI

[@wavewalnut9869]

@@theaveragepro1749 I forgot about that, because if I remembered that I am an AI, the whole Earth would self-destruct.

[@cichy86]

Great explanation, I like that transparency it's kind of refreshing in game dev today. 4 more days to alpha cant wait

[@dan167]

I wish they could just let us open a port and play old style while its in alpha

[@jamiedown8884]

Just play SE 1

[@dan167]

@jamiedown8884 I have, for 10 years, doesn't have to be a mutually exclusive thing would just be nice if it acted similar to old games where it hosted a local server joinable through port forwarding

[@kolson2927]

No uni grid in s1

[@AegirBuildsAndBeats]

Fully understand waiting to get mulitplayer! Look forward to it eventually being fully implemented, but will enjoy the development process until then.

[@engineer1178]

I love that you guys seem to be setting the strongest foundation you can! Ensuring that as little as possible is an after thought

[@SupurrrCat]

Multiplayer mod will probably happen before actual release I reckon

[@kvba4444]

I’m wondering how would the pistons, rotors and hinges work. I remember in SE1 they created kind of a separated grid, not very convenient. Also the physics of them were janky, making the ships move in unexpected ways (at least for a casual players perspective). I see they are not included in vertical slice 1. Really hope these would be implemented in a way that makes it fun to use them in this new grid system.

[@IngeniousNinja]

from what we know of dev posting, or at least until keen says otherwise, they'll work the same way on a basic level but perform much more consistently and performance-friendly

[@ijomeli]

really liking the transparency here, when it was announced that multiplayer would be coming much later on in the dev process i was really worried that the client-server model itself would be coming much later and would be full of issues, so it's really good to hear that it was considered right from the start in the new engine

[@CFoxtrot25]

Im glad MP isnt an afterthought like it was in SE1, but SE2 would have still stood out from SE1 more if you released SE2 with MP on Day1 unlike with SE1, especially if said mp code is already leaps ahead of the spaghetti SE1 mp code is.

[@supernerd4623]

Keen doesn't want that though, they're still working on SE1 lol

[@someonerandom704]

also wouldn't releasing with multiplayer allow them to get community feedback/bugtesting much faster? They're building the engine the smart way (i.e. client server distinction everywhere), why not use that feature on release? You need people to actually play it and break it so you can fix it. It seems to me like they're just leaving money on the table. I still respect their decision though.

[@captainforrix956]

Honestly, if Keen decides to wait to implement MP, I'm ok with it. Let them do their own thing at their own speed, unnecessary pressure won't make the game better

[@nulloperations]

It's early access. MP will be there on full release. Folks need to stop associated with early access as if it's the ready and complete game. You're buying access to alphas and betas, not full games yet.

[@thedaveed1]

@@nulloperations MP might actually be there in Early Access. The later stages, not what's releasing in a few day.

[@englishdragon4198]

All I’m in interested is getting used to the new building system!

[@felixu8682]

already preordered - so hyped

[@TheHumanMass]

loved SE1 can not wait to play SE2 so hyped

[@ZorgKirill]

You didn't mention one thing about multiplayer: it gathers more people to play the game, and more people will write about bugs and broken things. Maybe it's more useful to have a lot more "free" testers.

[@Gafferman]

And that will happen... Early Access lasts as long as it really needs to. There will be consistent and focused feedback throughout.

[@NPC-mu9oq]

Mentioned plenty of things about multiplayer lol you just wanted to hear a date of release and didn't get one.

[@ZorgKirill]

@ emm, it's in 3-4 days.

[@ZorgKirill]

@ yes, but less, some people will wait until MP, playing SE1 or anything else. Marek told an interesting point about making a difference between SE1 and SE2, so that players won't ask about 2 similar games. And it's curious what's his thoughts on "earlier MP - more players/testers" argument.

[@sywilson73]

Thank you for taking the time to let us know.

[@FUT-Franklin]

Tbh I'd rather start playing with friends on release despite the lack of features as that's the main draw in for me in SE .... playing and building things with friends.

[@urakola5416]

oh I hope you can straighten the wheels in the new game. so that my large base on wheels does not fall through the planet, I have already pre-ordered the game, I hope it will be cool

[@Tony-rn5fm]

yo KSH don't be bullied by the gaming base out here, we are like small children, we want everything right now !!!!!, and i am sure that is NOT how game development works, i know of a MMO that has changed a lot over the last 25 years from when i first played it, and it was everybody bombarding the one person of the dev team that was out in the open with all kinds of things its a wonder he got any actual work on the game done at all......anyway long story short, the game is still alive after nearly 25 years although there are only a handful of us that can still play (i haven't been able to get the game client to work for over a year) and the name of this game is ............................dark space

[@jakethesnake2655]

I wouldn't care if it was like the 2, or 3 slice but it seems it all the way at the end. So guess depending on how often the slice are released

[@HuneyMusterd]

I'm still buying anyways. I'll wait for these updates No problem. They delivered such awesome games I have hope :D

[@creeloper27]

1:20 1:55 Hell yeah! Love to hear that :D

[@solarwind]

I am hoping we can get massive multiplayer servers!

[@jh5kl]

that would be fantastic, it genuinely would

[@Gafferman]

You guys are doing it *right*. People saying it should come out with multiplayer seem to not get that the exact same course of events will happen but... They can just play it before multiplayer. There is an alternate timeline right now where the game isn't even out in early access until June or something because of this. Is that a better reality? No! It's just the same with a massive delay.

[@tacticalturtlez4906]

Will we see dynamic blocks (rotors, hinges, pistons, block turrets) in a near future slice, or is that not something currently being considered for now?

[@SonnyBear5]

been streaming SE1 and lots of people are showing up, bet they’re all excited for SE2 like I am. Multiplayer should only be considered if and only if the single-player experience is polished and optimized. All good things come with time, so take your time Keen! Rather wait for a complete experience over a janky mess that will leave a bad impression on newcomers.

[@WonderworldsNL]

Because you need to check if Multiplayer is also optimized with every Slice and working correctly. As this game leans on 90% of users playing it Multiplayer it should be the core of the game systems. Other wise we will have another wonky Multiplayer experience with lot's of limitations like SE1

[@S200.]

I never been so excited to play an openly announced unfinished game!

[@gabrielosaurus8021]

Cant wait the multyplaye survival!

[@bluesunschurch8412]

My opinion is id rather wait as long as it takes to get a amazing game i know this can be than rushing early access to get the game out. Take your time kings i Don't mind waiting at all

[@slinkerdeer]

One day, I hope to have the chance to work at Keen. I've been on thia journey with you guys since 2013, there's been ups and downs. But you have solidified yourselves as my favorite developers of all time. The only devs that I've had such love for is Bungie during their Halo days. They were the devs of my childhood, you are the devs of my adulthood. Waiting with intense anticipation for the 27th!

[@LukusMaxamus]

DO NOT RUSH, if this takes 10 years to develop thats fine by me and im sure most people will agree

[@ecogreen123]

i absolutely agree, you can't and shouldn't rush perfection, while i think 10 years is a little too much but i doubt it would take that long.

[@graullas8981]

10 years? Did you all lost your minds? They had 10 years ALREADY

[@LukusMaxamus]

@@graullas8981 this is space engineers 2 not 1

[@LukusMaxamus]

@@alteredchallenge9318 if we lived by that then there would be no progress

[@LukusMaxamus]

@@alteredchallenge9318 man you're just rambling. I mean that you can't live by the fear of societal collapse or nothing meaningful would get done. You think the world is going to end in 10 years? Whats the point of living with that logic. Also i don't know what you were on about saying that the game isn't coming out, it clearly is and game development takes time. What's the difference with space engineers 1 taking 10 years, why is this game any different. Most great games are in constant development.

[@Amber-tu2jo]

Very excited to get to see the first vertical slice this coming week! Shame it releases on a Monday, but that should make it more obvious that the priority of this release isn't meant to be a finished game. Lots of people are complaining about the lack of multiplayer in an early access game on day one when they were told "no multiplayer". I think this game is a perfect example of using Early Access fairly. Something that we haven't seen in a long time. I can understand why some gamers might have went in expecting multiplayer, but its not Keen's fault that Early Access got abused as a category. Annoyingly, I think this discussion does a really exemplary job of explaining *why* we don't have multiplayer. Keen is actually communicating with the community, yet for some reason the community doesn't know how to listen? God, why even bother when these people are going to sit there and scream at the top of their lungs how they don't know how to listen to other people telling them why they're doing things a certain way. I get the impression these vertical slices aren't meant to be things you sit down and play 40+ hours of, each. Why do I think that? Because I listened to what Keen had to say about their cool new game they're working on. My plan is to enjoy each one as they come out, explore some creative ways to put these systems together, and ultimately have very few sessions that don't last that long compared to how I would approach playing the game when it's out of early access or nearing release.

[@TheArled]

Exactly my thoughts!!!

[@TheMisguidedArchive]

Can't wait for the game to come out. Hopefully when the game comes out people don't leave dumb comments looking for multiplayer or a full game when they were told exactly what they were going to get everywhere

[@egg_eggboy]

What about GPS grouping Please please have it because it’s a pain to scroll over 40+ GPS to find the Roth one

[@mrawesome2847]

Makes sense

[@dallarian8687]

"We have a lot of talk in the community..." KSH general-se Discord: Me! He's talking about me!

[@KINGDOMSONSTV]

I would like to see a custom save icon for colours you create & can save for easy access and QOL.

[@Vmag-v6j]

The biggest thing I'm looking forward to is good solutions for PVP in multiplayer, ways to hunt the enemy, for example, to board an enemy ship, or just destroy it completely, it's so cool and epic

[@darkgeem]

Delaying the multiplayer is understandable, and to me it's a good choice to prioritize other aspects of the game, but I still have one question about it... Will we have a native linux dedicated server build? A lot of us are having an easier time administrating / hosting headless linux servers (and some of us have already up linux machines, already running for other purposes, with spare resources) than hosting a windows server for the only purpose of running an SE server, and end up having to pay for hosting the game server, often with pumped up costs that we can't always afford... That aside, the game already looks great, and I can't wait for atmospheric gameplay, planets and survival! :D

[@Ben-wi4ww]

😅 There is a few new blocks that I really hope to see in S.E.2 like 3 x 3 gates or barricades would be fantastic and a few more fantasy features such as ability to change color of thruster flames. I’d love to see a tractor beam block and force fields for hanger doors so that the hanger doors can be open and that space still be airtight. And I would also really love it if we had leveled, block welders and grinders, weapons, maybe even some shields that can be upgraded and the range on welders and grinders could maybe be increased too. A PVP improvement I’d like to see is if you do not own the grid it takes two maybe three times as long to grind down a block if you don’t own it. Essentially forcing combat to take place without a grinder so that you actually have to fight ship to ship or doorway to doorway through a base/ship to take it over. And pretty please conveyed interior turrets. I’m sure there’s other more important blocks that some other people would like, a ball connector, door connector, 3 x 3 hinge, or rotors for larger custom turret. Inset rotor connector head for rotor, connector caps for cargo conveyors. You know things that allow our imaginations to not have to be as big and bulky and more slick andstreamline.😅 if you take the time to read this thank you and great job so far.😊❤

[@sevyrsonpc4736]

PLEASE tell me there will be an option to turn off any kind of interactive highlight. It really breaks immersion.

[@Gafferman]

Make sure to leave that as feedback in the forums.

[@sevyrsonpc4736]

@Gafferman I've been pestering them for years for it in SE1. I also mention it in both the discord and the lives when they do them.

[@Krusty_gooner]

I think the biggest problem with SE 1 is the servers seem to have a massive problem handling All the players and grids and it has rendering issues and rubberbanding issues

[@jpest17]

I think it's good to hold of multiplayer for a reason beyond just development. I KNOW that dedicated players who love the game are going to invite their friends who aren't dedicated players and they're going to see and unfinished unpolished game, they're going to complain, and they're going to drop the game. This early access stage should not immediately have multiplayer because it will be judged much more harshly by interlopers.

[@CooperCube]

If multiplayer comes then I buy the game , we really need PVP and raiding and be Pirate in the space and raid others !!

[@TheWarlock97]

Ngl, Im one of the individuals that think water is a little overrated for what we need for a sequel to SE. -Double the engagement range of weapons because at the moment it is basically knife fighting. -Increase the effectiveness of heavy armour because gyroscopes being the most effective armour is kind of stupid. -I know you are adding human NPC’s but also adding some kind of mobs similar to the wolves / alien invasion mods they give a reason to use smaller weapons like the interior turret/ anything other than a rocket launcher. & finally -i can already see pseudo “water bombing” being used as a tactic to crash people’s games if there is any way to store it in a container (if the first game is anything to go by)

[@mrarby9780]

id be ok with like 4 player creative co-op just so I can build with my friends. local hosted small servers

[@Vaynthegreat]

man im excited. :) im waiting for multiplayer for my son so him and i can build ships and explore and fight eachother lol.

[@gardianknight]

what kind kind of graphics card would you suggest

[@sora_scorcher7921]

how do you change keyboard commands because I want to change Crouch from C to shift?

[@lordsherifftakari4127]

Multiplayer is so sought after. I'm interested in what sort of toys we'll have that go bang or BOOM! more importantly, character scale weaponry and ammunition with Game Relative range compared to actual items. ex.. the NATO 5.56mm has an effective combat range of 300m over Iron Sights and Mk-1 Eyeball. this is as far as the average Soldier and most people can engage and hit. also, while unique magazines add character to a weapon, it is commonplace to also have said weapon able to use a Standard Magazine for operational flexibility. since ALL in game Rifles use the same Cartridge it does make sense they can use a universal magazine alongside their intended specific one. Pistols on the other hand need their own Cartridge! in this case the NATO standard 9mm parabellum round is most widely used. again, both a weapon specific magazine and a Universal one. here, Pistols have the advantage in close quarters situations as their range is typically rather short us Snipers would love a Camera like semi-Zoom on the precision Rifle for picking off select bits or poking holes in annoying Meat bags trying to ruin our day. the downside of a Sniper weapon is the focused limit through the lens and hence the need for teamwork. Rockets are Rockets = please give them some degree of self guidance that doesn't need late game resources and enough range to make them worthwhile to use.

[@DirtyCivilian14]

Please multiplayer with Survival 💪🏼

[@dskpnk]

What about retroactive dlc's ? Will the dlc i own in SE will be ported on SE 2 ?

[@sechs6]

I bought space engineer 8 years ago because it's a unique and beautiful game, but then we got stuck in an eternal limbo of early access, with an empty universe where there's nothing to do. This time i won't buy the game until i see a universe where there are fun things to do, with npc, factions at war, survival elements, etc.. All the things that were promised.

[@LiquidEsper]

2-3 Years Jesus. I Guess My Server Will Lose All Console Players SMH. You Guys Do Realize Not Everyone Can Afford To Run 2-3 Server? This Shift Will Anger People. I Would Really Recommend You Spend More Focus On The Port, Half Of Your Game Is Console.

[@deez_has_always_been_sus2703]

fr

[@MultiGruntyable]

maybe just give us co op as early as you can if its not possible at launch

[@cmdrvernondingo1540]

2 or 3 years before i can play SE2 - not happy

[@deez_has_always_been_sus2703]

real

[@mikewiththebluecar]

I won’t be buying it until til multiplayer is available.

[@josephpage6828]

I want any SLICE!!

[@donaldpetersen2382]

Guys guys, SE1 has multiplayer. You are big boys and gals, I'm sure you'll manage playing with your SE2 blocks by yourselves at first.

[@andybraid4263]

It would be good if multiplayer is in thee from day 1 as this is the main buggy part of SE1.

[@ultmateragnarok8376]

As a console player, I'm fine with SE2 getting developed without the headaches of putting up with the restrictions of console releases. It'll come when it's ready, when it's been done right instead of rushed because of splitting development hours between the game and that endless effort sink, and in the meantime I can continue with SE1. The knowledge that it _is_ coming eventually is enough.

[@Soulkeeper-tv8re]

Question: Will water be converted to ice, etc, to power buildings n ships??? 🤔🤔🤔

[@graullas8981]

The most important part of SE. Do it well or SE2 will earn nothing

[@jeffpnc]

"imagine we released the game just with multiplayer but without new grid system, without water, without new survival and without new graphics and so on." Three of the five named new features still aren't available at release. to me it seems the vast majority of things that are supposed to make se2 stand out form se1 are the last features to come, water, npc's, "new survival", we don't even have planets yet. Do we have an estimated time frame for when survival or multiplayer will be ready? i just feel like single player creative mode is gonna get boring real fast.

[@TheWarlock97]

I think water is overrated for this game. If the first game is anything to go by there WILL be performance issues and putting realistic water,… IN A SPACE GAME is a little counterintuitive. Especially when I can already see people “water bombing” each other and crashing their games if there is any way to store water in containers.

[@Hellcat-UK1]

whats the time frame tho?

[@HiImKyle]

Why do you guys call them Vertical Slices, when its just an update..?

[@KyleEslickTheLegend]

If they were not doing vertical slices an update would have bits and pieces of everything all thrown together a vertical slice focuses an update to just being about whatever they are slicing and releasing it in a much more final version all at once

[@HiImKyle]

@@KyleEslickTheLegend Oh damn, another Kyle, Hi kyle, I'm kyle. Anyway, I guess, I just think "Vertical Slices" just sounds odd for what is just an update, regardless of what the update contains.

[@NPC-mu9oq]

Just grid

[@CodeGrim-lh8wu]

who ever that one dude working on console I like him but question will the perineum edition be like the ultimate edition from the first where I don't new to buy the new dlcs

[@Munixx]

We can wait for water and survival after multiplayer is implemented

[@TheMisguidedArchive]

Multiplayer isn't the only reason to play the game. Might just be yours.

[@milkyboa9029]

Does anyone know about npc's like pirates and drones?

[@jh5kl]

in the roadmap human npc s are mentioned but understandably nothing more was mentioned, its too soon

[@xyrothryu]

SE is absolutely more fun with friends, I have a feeling they’re gonna have a massive amount of steam refunds and bad reviews when people realize they can’t play with friends. Getting excited about new things with friends is what people would get excited about, not by themselves.

[@TheMisguidedArchive]

There's more people who play solo than multiplayer, also people were told when multiplayer was going to be made already, it would be their own fault.

[@Elucidator-]

@@TheMisguidedArchive I also think there's more single player players. A lot more actually. And really: it is stated before, so everyone can know that when they buy.

[@FM_DOS_GURI]

i liked the game, but will only get the game with multiplayer, cuz since the game is basically a paid demo, the content does not live to the actuall price

[@TheMisguidedArchive]

I think that it may cost more later on, when it has more features. I would just get it and wait.

[@holden4ever]

Will SE2 have unknown signals and will console players finally be allowed to have them? Probably not. Keen hates console players and doesn't want us having nice things.

[@antwarior]

whats up with this new update for space engineers 1, i give 0 care about SE2 until survival drops, creative is just creative, so i want to hear more on the new update, is it the AI rover blocks coming? 🙏

[@RagingRobo]

The OG cockpit still has that terrible shape dimensions…. Landing gear better retract

[@TheHungarygamer]

and how are we supposed to play all these new features without our friends in multiplayer? at least allow local mutiplayer if no proper servers

[@Quantum-Bullet]

Need time to build ships anyways.

[@Amber-tu2jo]

Did you miss the part where he explained they're not releasing a game, they're releasing slices of the cool new parts of their game they're working on? Finally, we get a genuine attempt at using early access correctly. I'm also imagining you're exaggerating considering it sounds like you cannot imagine experiencing any part of space engineers 2 without your friends. I am also unhappy that I don't get to share my first moments in SE: 2 with my SO in a local server together, but I will be able to make peace with us both experiencing it and showing it to eachother through other means. There is no game to play yet, let's enjoy what we can as a community.

[@soliitudegaming7275]

Multiplayer being delayed sucks. It would give way more incentive for people to put hours in and give feedback.

[@mokahtgs]

MP first!! Well...at least they built it in from the start unlike soooo many other games that shoehorn it in later

[@azimuth2525]

I still think that even if you dont allow dedicated servers, it is a mistake to not even have p2p multiplayer sessions via steam.

[@Lurtch]

Pre order an alpha stage game is cancerous. Finish the game and then release it, the game dev meta these days is madness.

[@alteredchallenge9318]

Like cities skylines on console, im just going to forget this exists, remove myself from all content creators on this subject. It kinda ruins the game watching everyone on youtube playing and ruining the experience all because you cant afford a pc. I already had to wait a freaking long time, ive baught the game 3 times alrelady once when i had a laptop, then again on xbox, (yeah i bought a stupid xbox just to play my forever game) and then again on my ps4 and 5, my preferred ecosystem. Now you want me to wait another 3 or so years pushing me further out of the community. Yeah nah im done.

[@RichardvdMerwe]

SE 1 got so boring because of the lack of PvE and endgame content. The Contact update was a joke compared to the PvE in a games like Hyperion Galactic. If the PvE and multiplayer sucks again like it did with SE1, I'm not buying again :(

[@BaliAgha]

Oh for the love of god…. Don’t focus any efforts on consoles until the road map is completed; aka story and npcs… Here we go star citizen lies…

[@maikelh5718]

Pitch for VR Hear ye, hear ye, noble starfarers and industrious tinkerers alike! Behold this most wondrous proposition: the addition of a veritable sorcery named “Virtual Reality” to our beloved realm of Space Engineers 2. Picture, if thou wilt, thyself stepping aboard a grand construct of steel and stardust with thine own eyes, no mere spectator behind a glass pane, but a fully immersed voyager amid the cosmos’ vast frontier. Wouldst thou not delight in the tangibility of every rivet hammered, every hatch sealed, and every reactor thrumming beneath thy fingertips, as though thou wert truly floating in the void?

[@ChainsWorld1]

But the game is boring solo. 😢

[@xecutor3459]

I’ve got thousands of hours solo this game is amazing!

[@ChainsWorld1]

@ I only enjoyed the first one with my friends. Makes so much more fun.

[@xecutor3459]

@@ChainsWorld1 but it’s fun to just create and build on your own too is it not?

[@TheMisguidedArchive]

Just your opinion, I love solo and I'm sure many others do too

[@Elucidator-]

Thousand hours solo here, and I enjoy multiplayer games also. It's just a thing that differs from person to person. Solo is great if you like the creative process.

[@brgimscht]

if it's already there, then why not provide it from the beginning. no multiplayer means for me that i just won't play it. and just from a testing and software design perspective it makes much more sense to bring it earlier than later.

[@mz00956]

because then there will be reviews like "multiplayer in SE2 is bad, it's not finished, why did they release it." Development simply needs time and they can't do everything at the same time. so for now they focus on the grid system and similar stuff

[@brgimscht]

@mz00956 well it's EA. que surprise if something is not working yet

[@mz00956]

@@brgimscht yeah, if all people thought like that then it would be no problem to push out 20 different work in progress features to test. Sadly most people don't seem to understand what EA means anymore and that can badly hurt a new game if then reviewers or whoever talks bad about it.

[@Gamer_Anton]

people wouldn't have played "space engineers" for as long as they did if it weren't for multiplayer and Torch with its server modding capabilities. so saying that multiplayer is not needed is killing the game

[@tyler328]

2 to 3 years for consoles? Dam that's not good

[@ronidude]

its a super EA game and will be for the next few years dosent make sense to push it out to consol :v

[@CaliHime]

So when it comes to multiplayer, this is what I heard; Q: Why is multiplayer added that much later in the roadmap? A: It is already in the architecture, single player also uses server/client architecture. But reasons? You want to differentiate SE2 from SE1, which is why it won't have Multiplayer. Just like SE1 at launch? Sorry, but that is not an answer to the question AT ALL. If it's already in the architecture, let us test it! Let us open up our games to friends. No need for dedicated servers and heavy population, just co-op multiplayer using the steam "invite to game" features. To those wanting to flame me; I understand stuff takes time and it's never black and white. But the answer given by Marek doesn't reflect that. If it would be a matter of "we want to work out the kinks" or "we want to make sure that what we currently have is stable and without issues" then that's perfectly fine. But that's not what is communicated here.

[@Robcraft1981]

Please keep a console port for "next-gen" consoles, us superior beings/PC-players do not want to be held back by underpowered and obsolete living-room hardware. We didn't get I9's, 4080's and 64GB DDR5 to be held back by 10yo consoles.

[@StevenHouse1980]

Well 😂 considering how multiplayer was in SE1. Oh dear that's so funny. Even now SE1 is still more of a Descent knock-off that's trying so hard to be more than Keen will ever let it become.

[@kahwigulum]

I'm done buying incomplete games. Either release it in a functional multiplayer/survival state, or accept that many of us are just not buying this. Thousands of hours spent in SE1 only for it to feel complete in the last year or so. Never again.

[@shadowslayer552]

I want multiplayer. couldn't care less about consoles.

[@SpaceGata]

If multiplayer is already partially implemented, why can't we have p2p through Steam?

[@mercedesjacevedosilva9146]

In January 29 2024

[@mercedesjacevedosilva9146]

In Space Engineers 2 (2024)