Kia EV9 Review - Utilizing the E-GMP Platform with slight modifications.

Kevin and Jordan discuss the undercarriage of the Kia EV9.
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#kia #ev9 #suspension

[@MosesKabandana]

Good to include the bloopers in there. Keep'em coming

[@MunroLive]

Thanks! Will do!

[@pixselious]

I feel like the start should be more professional and the bloopers should be at the end of the video. Great video overall tho 👍

[@jamesengland7461]

Agreed! They're the best content!😂

[@jamesengland7461]

​@@pixseliousnah. They're brave enough to show their flaws!

[@rjung_ch]

Love the intro and that you kept it in there 🙂

[@MunroLive]

Thanks

[@lukekamp]

Jordan is a real human! So well spoken but also humorous!

[@andrewashmore8000]

Great video guys , love the technical detail , and banter. Enjoying the paint work and animation of the kia bodywork , looks and appears classy , expensive and super well finished off. The virtual ball suspension is particularly intriguing , i get the theory , but how the hell is the hub able to rotate when two seperate links supporting it. At some point in the future , if could turn the steering when a vehicle is up on the lift , to see how the steering geometry moves , would be fascinating , with close up shots. Quality control is very good on the Kia , like Kevin points out. ❤

[@brianb-p6586]

If you have pinboard (or just a piece of scrap plywood or cardboard) and some bit of paper and pins, you can build a model of the arms and hub carrier (as seen from above or below) and watch how it moves as you steer the hub. It's a little weird, but it works as long as the two arms pivot very close together on the hub carrier.

[@andrewashmore8000]

@@brianb-p6586 thanks will try it out.

[@Alexzw92]

Love the intro

[@bullshitbingo2259]

Great analysis of an amazing EV platform which spearheaded the industry in terms of technology for money. The EV9 is a good vehicle with some viable changes to the platform which seem to fit the nature of the vehicle nicely. Looking forward where Hyundai/KIA can take this platform with the rumored update coming in late 2026.

[@markplott4820]

KIA/Hyundai/Genesis very CRAPPY e-Gimp platform is still too much ICE vehicle Based. the e-Gimp was originally to have a ICE, Hybrid ,FCEV and BEV versions, on same Platform. the e-Gimp has too many FASTNERS and too many Brackets holding more Brackets. the e-Gimp Platform is Already OUTDATED in 2024. Hyundai group needs NEW BEV platform that is 100% for BEV, not ICE or anything else. w/ LEAN Design. using Gigacastings in FRONT & REAR , + Structural battery pack w/ 4680 Cells. and 48v.

[@nathansuss]

Love these guys

[@EricP36]

Love the cold opens!

[@MunroLive]

Thanks dude.

[@elainebradley8213]

I appreciate the explanations.

[@boredKiwi]

Thanks for the video, guys! Regarding Jordan's comment about the front drive unit appearing to be a "concentric setup", I think he is seeing the axle disconnect unit in line. The motor sits above the reducer unit.

[@yodasbff3395]

Good explanations, thanks. 👍

[@pedrosantos4368]

Awesome content!

[@MunroLive]

Appreciate it!

[@drive-channel1834]

Love the intro, love the video Excellent as usual

[@MunroLive]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@avocade]

Good times, take it easy on the spliff there Jordan 🙌🏻

[@tcellucci9999]

Please keep up the great work, and I think the first few seconds of your videos are the best..............😂😂😂

[@Aztasu]

Engineering done right. Looks solid.

[@markplott4820]

NO, weren't you, Listening. KIA built too HEAVY, too complex w/ too many ICE vehicle parts , Built too EXPENSIVE . NO , built in COST savings. complex Build. lack of Gigacastings , Structural battery pack & 4680 cells. lack of Discrete modules @ each axle using HIGH number of CAST parts , rather than OUTDATED Stamped Steel Weldments. lack of CAST cross car beam w/ Multiple functions. outdated Suspension , NEEDS independent 4 wheel w/ AIR dampers. KIA is still using OUTDATED horse & buggy Technology.

[@mrm1885]

You can see alot of places where the rust will come fast and some components are low budget but it's an expensive car.

[@antibrevity]

You do a good job Jordan, even if you hate doing these.

[@MunroLive]

Jordan loves hosting videos!

[@user-qk8mu4iy7b]

Thanks.

[@Punchis1983]

Keep the bloopers going. That helps young engineers know science is fun!!!

[@markmcculloch2570]

Liked this one. 🤙🏻

[@ChickyRx]

love the bloopers

[@SimonClaringbold]

noticed the single-side front brake calipers presumably put in as a cost saving over using dual sided calipers.

[@brianb-p6586]

Very few modern vehicles use fixed-body calipers - sliding calipers like this are normal.

[@stephenkramme7063]

Concerning "Wheel Talk" starting at about the 5:30 mark, it does seem like a waste to put a wheel cover over a painted wheel. What if the manufacturer uses this same wheel, in significant numbers, minus the cover, in another application? Isn't there some savings to realize by not having another part number for a non-painted wheel? Please enlighten me.

[@wtmayhew]

My line of thinking was the same. It is probably less expensive to source one wheel type if it is also used uncovered elsewhere

[@briankrische3364]

@stephenkramme7063 My thought was that they probably had to finalize the wheel design to the manufacturer much earlier than the wheel cover. So they might not have known the entire wheel was going to be covered then.

[@crb456]

Or a customer may choose to leave the wheel cover off to display the wheels.

[@andrewashmore8000]

Doesnt matter , its attention to detail by Kia , have things correct and right , for your customer , make your customer feel valued. Small things like that add up over a whole vehicle , to make you feel like you have bought a quality product.

[@mshepard2264]

i would just have avoided the plastic hubcaps all together. the wheel looks better without it

[@jameslee-rc3lc]

EV9은 지금까지만들어진 최고의전기차다..... 정의선이해냈다......그어떤제조사도 지금의 E-GMP플랫폼을따라올수가없다. 이제 다음플랫폼나온다....본게임은이제시작이다.

[@nathansuss]

Are we going to see a teardown of the refreshed model 3? Or was that decided against because of it's similarities with the old model 3

[@MunroLive]

No plans at this time to teardown a model 3.

[@waynerussell6401]

Inside EVs reported that ~50% parts are changed! Production delays at Fremont indicates its a new vehicle.

[@snax19]

Can you go into some detail about why it has such a baby Frunk ? The bonnet is massive, cant believe when i opened it , it had the tiniest baby frunk !

[@wtmayhew]

Interesting. There’s a lot of conventional looking engineering in the EV9. I’m curious how Hyundai/Kia’s per unit profit compares to a Tesla Model Y. Tesla’s gone all in modernizing production technology, so how much cost does thst take out? Tesla just cut prices again, so aI’m wondering if that reflects lower manufacturing cost, or is Tesla cutting margins attempting to keep market share?

[@markplott4820]

Model Y is even MORE profitable than NEW model 3. let that sink in. Model Y is MOST profitable SUV on EARTH.

[@wtmayhew]

@@markplott4820 Thanks for the reply.

[@bobthebuilder372]

The level of production modernization came at great upfront cost. It pays off when they're able to sell at lot of Model Y's, but times are finally changing. They've already cut back production and will likely need to cut production back further, increasing unit costs. I'd guess they're margins are growing quite tight, especially with how frantically they're changing demand tactics and trying to sell software subscriptions. Frankly, thinks aren't looking great for Tesla as of late, especially after they put the "$25k" model on hold.

[@johangustavsen6962]

Kia has 11% margin. Tesla 9%.

[@markplott4820]

@@johangustavsen6962 - Tesla outselling KIA 10:1

[@jbro507]

Im a mechanical engineer … and embarrassed to ask this. How does that front knuckle steer with that “virtual ball joint”? I can’t figure it out. It feels like those two joints side by side would inhibit the knuckle from turning. ?

[@bikeaddictbp]

The chassis-end of the control arm also allows the arm to pivot a little, so the whole thing (chassis, knuckle, front arm, rear arm) forms a 4-bar linkage.

[@johnnodge4327]

​@@bikeaddictbp Indeed. The Germans, (BMW, Audi, and Mercedes) have been using the same systems for 2 decades now.

[@redhorse554det1]

keep the out takes in !

[@Omnis2]

Phillips head screw on a brake hub. Fuuuuu that's gonna be a lease-only in the rust belt. 🤣🤣

[@bikeaddictbp]

Lots of cars have those. They're mostly to hold the brake rotor in place on the assembly line. They can be left out afterwards (e.g. if they break, or if the head has to be drilled out to remove it ... been there, done that). The brake rotor is still well clamped between the wheel and hub, and it isn't going to escape.

[@dougk5456]

Great review as always. When I look at all the rubber/vinyl/plastic that is exposed on the underside, I say, it may last for a few years and for the first owners, so what. The next owner will have issues. I agree with the wheel covers being not well thought out and expensive. Also they are the first thing that will get scuffed up and then look bad.

[@kcw9313]

hey it's the "it's interesting" guy again

[@bobwolf100]

I love the kia wheels. If you dont like the cover you still have a nice wheel.

[@heinousanus9352]

What brand of weed is that Jord?

[@jacekpiterow900]

Somehow I do like to know that the car is built well in places I do not see.

[@Powersrx1]

Did he really just say that Hyundai Kia has the most amount of Evie vehicles on the road?

[@hayduke4589]

I think he meant number of models not volume of cars.

[@ugursenturk5860]

Tesla is shttin on the competition. These just show how far apart engineering wise how they really are. Most companies are more focused on decals, body kits, cladding, asthetics etc compared to how Tesla is investing more into simplyfing, advancing their engineering capabilites how to build better cheaper and faster.

[@ThatHz-]

Great video, but can’t you run it through a car wash before shooting a video? 😂

[@MunroLive]

Nope

[@LawpickingLocksmith]

Great car! But the exposed cooling pump would like some preventive cover to take off road.

[@boredKiwi]

Munro took the underside panel off for this video.

[@DishNetworkDealerNEO]

A blooper compilation reel will have to be compiled!

[@soundtrancecloud5101]

Wow factor on the crappy looking wheels is low, would rather see the aluminum.

[@user-fu8vn7xo6c]

Good to see more breakdowns, including this Kia. Have you ever considered doing this on a new BYD? They seem to be the international competition to Tesla & would be interesting to see what CCP China is up to.

[@MunroLive]

Sure, can you get us one?

[@user-fu8vn7xo6c]

Good point! I haven’t seen one in the US, but am curious on their technology, comparatively speaking. I think many Americans scoff at CCP China engineering, now (like how Imperial Japan was underestimated until the US Navy got a good dose of Japanese Naval aviation at Pearl Harbor) but I suspect that they are capable of being able & even excellent.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@user-fu8vn7xo6c The Japanese Zero A6M2 was a one-trick pony - maneuverability as a result of inferior engines. Totally outclassed within months of Perl harbour with superior firepower, structural integrity, engine power and armor of the Hellcat.

[@user-fu8vn7xo6c]

@@waynerussell6401It took until 1943 for the Hellcat to be introduced. Also, don’t forget the Japanese torpedoes that were used at Pearl. Can we afford to always underestimate the engineering of CCP China & have history repeat itself?

[@user-fu8vn7xo6c]

@@MunroLiveI keep on forgetting that the government of CCP China likely subsidizes reverse engineering, but not the U.S. government.

[@mikedx2706]

Isn't the EV9 a minivan trying to look like an SUV to escape the label of being a soccer mom car?

[@bikeaddictbp]

That's the way I think of it. If it works for them, so be it!

[@davidhunternyc1]

sooooo... is this good or not good? I can't tell by your reactions. Your comments seem sheepish.

[@patreekotime4578]

This isn't that kind of review. Like other KIA videos they have done, Munro has shown that KIA isn't wasting money on R&D and cutting edge manufacturing techniques when they don't have to. They have proven their reliability and they build on that. Instead they are putting the money into customer-facing qualities like beautiful design, lush interior, and detailed paint. KIA has a reputation of making the most efficient EVs (which this clearly won't be), with high customer satisfaction, high reliability, and super long factory warantees. Basically, KIA has a very conservative approach when it comes to manufacturing and an aggressive approach when it comes to design. Although their sister company Hyundai is even more aggressive when it comes to design language. And is there really anything even remotely like this in the competition right now? That alone may make it worth the sticker price (which is sure to be large) for some buyers. And if you choose the Hyunudai version for more futuristic looks.... KIA/Hyundai wins either way. So the question is... would you rather own a vehicle that wows engineers because of new new new of the manufacturing... something that will only really impact you as a customer in terms of more expensive repairs and replacement parts... or would you rather own a vehicle with more conservative manufacturing and proven reliability? 🤷‍♂️

[@davidhunternyc1]

@@patreekotime4578 All well and good but people buy EVs and avoid buying EVs based on reliability, repair bills, and operating costs. What will happen when there is an electronic, computer chip, or battery problem once the warranty ends? Are cars, like computers, now disposable products? If so, these cares will only be bought by the rich and by those conned into buying them. Back to my question... is the Kia EV9 good or not good?

[@Somethingaboutthat]

There was a lot of Toyota mentions in this video. That's generally seen as a good thing to say about a car for a reliability, easy to repair stand point. Munro is all about cost cutting in manufacturing and it was interesting that they didn't nit pick this so much in that regard.

[@EricP36]

First!

[@ralanham76]

L

[@drx630]

13:03 "I am not sure if anyone has any more EVs on the road other than hyundai/kia"... really dude?

[@jamesengland7461]

Different models, which is what they're talking about- that platform versatility.

[@Somethingaboutthat]

@@jamesengland7461 exactly, when they first said that comment, I was like... really? I thought Tesla would have the most. I just looked it up, they have the Kona, Niro, Soul, Ioniq's, EV#'s, Genesis and I'm sure I left some off. Their new lineup of EV2's 3's 5's are just around the corner. They've come out swinging with different models. Hopefully they'll start pumping out more of the actual released EV's so people can actually easily buy them. They seem to be going with a, throw everying against the wall and see what sticks mentality. I don't think they expected some of the cars they released to be liked so much by the reviewers for their looks. It's as if they're trying to please everyone with at least 1 of their cars.

[@waynerussell6401]

@@Somethingaboutthat Ioniq 5, Kona, Niro, Soul, all have had ICE variants so not on exclusive BEV platforms. The group are not all-in on BEVs as still planning on making twice as many cars with ICE than BEVs in 2035.

[@mshepard2264]

kia ev models

[@johnnodge4327]

​@@waynerussell6401 The Ioniq 5 doesn't have an ICE variant, it's a ground up BEV platform, one of the E-GMP platform vehicles mentioned in this video. You're thinking of the Ioniq, which is a completely different vehicle, and is available in ICE hybrid and EV.

[@shazzizzle]

Can you guys please discuss the ICCU debacle? Kia, Hyundai, Genesis are doing great in the EV market but people need to be aware of this issue. Thanks!

[@b4804514]

Hey Don't be mean to Jordan

[@bratindustries]

My name is jeff

[@V10PDTDI]

I think the tall guy needs to sit on a Rolling stool so he can be at the same height as the other guy.

[@ralanham76]

😂 why not give stilts or high heels 🤪 to Jordan

[@Omnis2]

Damn, don't murder the guy. 😂😂

[@jpmackin]

Quite a lot of exposed wiring and attachments underneath the vehicle-that could pose a serious issue in winter months…

[@brianb-p6586]

They're not exposed until you remove the covers, as Munro always does in preparation for these videos (so we can see the parts).

[@doom9344]

13:10 The batteries of Hyundai and Kia electric vehicles are vulnerable to frontal impacts. If an object enters the lower part of the vehicle and impacts it while driving, the battery must be replaced.

[@erichschindl6530]

Thanks for the review of Kia EV9 with gentle, diplomatic answers. - For me the structure is a horror of complexity, weight and a waste of money. I felt sick. Enough hints as to what will be better, simpler, lighter and cheaper in my Swatch and Toyota IQ style concepts: Useful engineering for a better world.

[@markplott4820]

KIA EV9 is too SLOW , too HEAVY , too INEFFICIENT , too short RANGE. its built too Expensive & Complex.' its NOT taking advantage of NEW Manufacturing like Discrete CAST Moules for Axles. no CAST cross car beam w/ Multiple functions. not using any Gigacastings , Structural 4680 battery pack.

[@alnefedov7580]

Essentially essentially essentially..., once you hear him using it on every other sentence is hard to un-hear LOL

[@Mrbfgray]

Next time lift car to *tall guys* preference and let shorter guy jump and reach. 😊

[@MunroLive]

That’s as high as that lift goes.

[@batuhanvoid5849]

mac pherson on this heavy car ??? very very poor engineered...

[@user-tx7tw9yc6m]

As someone who works a lot on Chinese electric vehicles (Aiways,gely,byd...), I think that the other manufacturers have a lot to learn from the Chinese when it comes to how to build a car

[@mrm1885]

The Chinese learnd everything about cars from forced technology sharing 😂

[@user-tx7tw9yc6m]

@@mrm1885 The Chinese have overtaken everyone in two rounds in recent years, you are out of date (:

[@user-wd7ue4nu8i]

🤮

[@pasad335]

I only care about how many cupholders it has.

[@jimdetry9420]

The front of the vehicle doesn't look very aerodynamic. And how many years before a fake grill on an EV just looks silly?

[@jpmackin]

I prefer Porsche underpinnings….

[@markotrieste]

7:00 Appeal? That thing will be scratched all over at the first curbside parking. And what about reducing unsprung masses? Gee people really fall for shiny beads...

[@packetattack7437]

What part of the suspension will be scratched up?

[@markotrieste]

@@packetattack7437 I'm talking about the wheel covers and wheel arc covers.

[@Swwils]

The car is pretty disappointing. Why no comments on the ICCU issues? Kia has massive aftersales issues in the UK.

[@hybridinnovate]

Когда китайцев смотреть будете, скучно

[@ralanham76]

Kia-Hyundai is Korean

[@hybridinnovate]

@@ralanham76 я знаю. Интересно разобрать китайский машина

[@ag135i]

Munro &associates never gave their opinion on which is the best setup:- single motor FWD or RWD or dual motors FWD, RWD or AWD or tri motor AWD with two motors whether at front or rear and quad motors AWD or more than quad multiple motors AWD and out runner or in runner motors, radial or axial flux motors blah blah blah.

[@jamesengland7461]

They're options more relevant to customer desires than anything else.

[@markplott4820]

FWD is very OUTDATED Delete . all need is RWD & AWD. even TESLA RWD can drive in snow & ICE.

[@brianb-p6586]

Munro & Associate's opinion is not of any value on this subject. Their expertise is in manufacturing methods and costs, not vehicle performance.

[@markplott4820]

@@brianb-p6586 - MUNRO , also does Vehicle BENCHMARKING & performance in Separate videos.

[@specialistvlad]

After all Tesla’s progress on manufacturing it’s hard to even watch this crappy design

[@markplott4820]

MUNRO - sorry , I'm not buying it. the KIA EV9 is built too OUTDATED , on a old fashioned Platform that was supposed to be for ICE , Hybrids, BEV & Fool Cells. the e-Gimp platform is outdated. the KIA EV9 is too SLOW, too HEAVY , too INEFICIENT , too short RANGE , and extremely OUTDATED in 2024. KIA EV9 is built far too COMPLEX and built very EXPENSIVE. for what you get. to remain Competitive Hyundai GROUP needs a NEW BEV bespoke platform in 2024. I would Recommend to Hyundai to start using Discrete CAST modules in their Axles as well as Intergraded cross car beam w/ Multiple functions. Hyundai needs to start using Gigacastings and 4680 Structural battery pack.

[@minhnguyen-fr5zq]

Please put Vinfast VF8 on the show.. the worst EV . We want to see the break down

[@orzrorzrc8]

최악의차 한국에서는 공짜로줘도 안타는차 😂😂😂😂😂

[@mini2nut67]

The platform seems outdated, heavy and conventional. The guys were being very diplomatic and not jumping on Kia.