Murdaugh Trial: How Does It End?

#STSNation,
Welcome to another episode of Surviving The Survivor, the podcast that brings you the #BestGuests in all of True Crime…
It’s Week Five of the double murder trial of embattled former attorney Alex Murdaugh …
Murdaugh is accused of killing his wife and youngest son, Maggie and Paul, at the family’s Colleton County property in June of 2021.
And that’s just a fraction of the story.
#BestGuests:
Eric Bland was selected for inclusion in the South Carolina Super Lawyers in the 2015, 2016 and 2017 list for excellence and recognition as a Super Lawyer in Professional Liability. He was one of two in the entire State of South Carolina with this honor.
He also happens to be representing the family of Gloria Satterfield, Alex Murdaugh’s one time housekeeper who some say died under mysterious circumstances.
He is host of Cup of Justice, a podcast about Alex Murdaugh.
Sarah Ford has served as Legal Director at the South Carolina Victim Assistance Network since
2017, where she leads a team of attorneys and advocates to provide direct legal services to South
Carolina crime victims. She is a former South Carolina prosecutor.
Mandy Powers Norrell is an American lawyer, politician and former Democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives. Norrell formerly represented House District 44, which comprises the southern portion of Lancaster County.
She is a former prosecutor with a focus on crimes against women and children.
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[@Natalie_TrueCrime]

Shout out for Eric Bland for walking listeners through Alex Murdaugh case from all angles since beginning.

[@marilynfariello256]

Eric Bland is the lawyer you want. I’ve just started listening to Mandy’s podcast which is outstanding.

[@wolfgirl3081]

@marilynfariello256 Thanks for recommending Mandy’s podcast…..will check it out!

[@mirandab.5034]

It’s a different Mandy if you are talking about the Murdaugh Murders podcast. It is outstanding if we are talking about the same one. Eric is often on that podcast as a source for her. Either way these are great guests and show!

[@MLA56]

Eric Bland or Mark Tinsley. Both superb.

[@cristineconnell7803]

@@MLA56 Definitely!

[@lisastephens864]

Omg I totally love fit news and Mandy and Dave

[@LKK.]

Eric’s representation and conclusions are reasonable and completely tip the scale. His client came off as a true victim of every single one of AM’s manipulative techniques, in every sense of the word. My heart broke. Please bring them all back to STS.

[@sondrajean955]

Per Maggie's sister, Alex said that someone had been planning these murders for a long time.

[@Ed_Gein]

The clothes he wore were never found. That says it all.

[@doneldamacdonnell8602]

Wish he’d wear them the day of his sentence 😅

[@janefigueroa1731]

That judge is even healed man seems like a gentle man not playing any favorite 's

[@anneb574]

That witness that Hartpoolian mocked about “can of beans” , she held her own. “If that can of beans was evidence, then yes.” 🏆

[@lindyhawthorne2164]

I dont understand what "can of beans" is all about ?????

[@cristineconnell7803]

He is just gross!

[@lindyhawthorne2164]

@@cristineconnell7803 what does a can of beans actually mean?

[@cristineconnell7803]

@@lindyhawthorne2164 It was a demeaning comment Dick made to a female expert Prosecution witness! Turned many females off!

[@lindyhawthorne2164]

@@cristineconnell7803 thank you but I'm still confused about the meaning of it!?...can of beans ???

[@doyledh]

This is a good panel with qualified, knowledgeable experts. Glad I found it.

[@weezie4646]

Wel well well … just as you said .. the judge reprimanded the defense attorney for posting tweets online !!! Good for the Judge !! He was not happy !!!!

[@vickigray7215]

I was offended how Poot talked down to not only women but also people he considered beneath him.

[@cristineconnell7803]

He is really too much! And this is what we have in our Senate? LORD help us! So much being revealed in this case! Pierce the darkness with the light of truth!

[@cristineconnell7803]

And is it just me, or is that county rather racist! Old wh men running things & who gets the lowest jobs as caregivers etc? And they speak polite, but I have worked in similar & there is a subtle superiority that seemed evident to me! Anyway the whole area is a mess in legal malfeasance & I am so happy to see it addressed!

[@Nanaof3.]

Bravo Eric that was a great way to describe the inconsistencies

[@aliceroberts1980]

This guy Eric, is right there’s bad people who don’t think like us narcissists don’t think like normal humans

[@lindsayshea]

Love Erics point on motive. You can’t make sense out of any reason for murder when you are a rational person.

[@staciez]

You have amazing, insightful interviews! Thx so much, love the different and qualified opinions.

[@SurvivingTheSurvivor]

Thanks. Pls tell friends!

[@AngelRouth]

Does any of us really believe they are in danger while Buster and other family members are out there traveling and gambling ?

[@lisajameson8483]

Alex could of been stunned that Paul didn’t go down with the first shot and was backing up and tripped over the door threshold. And shot from down on the ground.

[@patrue6436]

Good thought

[@cristineconnell7803]

I have been seeing Paul taking those few steps in partial shock, & partial Dad I am hurt! As the realization hits him where the threat came from! It's over! Alex was wrong what he told Maggie's sister but only in part! They didn't suffer long, but they did suffer! Sad state of affairs!

[@listen2learn512]

I sincerely believe the community is done living in fear. The remaining family will be running into one legal matter after another, with no time to go after anyone.

[@cristineconnell7803]

I think a bright light is needed for most if not all!

[@beckiireland4720]

I’m a big fan of Mandy Matney, Liz Farrell & Eric Bland. Now I’m a big fan of STS❣️ I’m also a fan of Cup of Justice.

[@SurvivingTheSurvivor]

Thanks. Good company to be in!

[@cristineconnell7803]

@@SurvivingTheSurvivor Definitely! And any flak you guys get is only a badge of honor! You know you are on target when you get flak! We are all praying for you!

[@TracyDale007]

I don’t think the defense will change my mind. Who else could it be? He used the family’s guns. No one else would come without their own weapons. He only tossed Maggie’s phone. Not Paul’s. He knew Maggie’s code and he said no one knew Paul’s code. The video taken at the kennel with Alex’s voice on it, yet he denies ever being there. The On-Star was the final nail. EB is right. He’s a monster.

[@kmitchellny]

Enjoyed the commentary! 👍🏼 Not sure I can stomach listening to the Defense, so will be relying on recaps this week!!

[@susanstephenson648]

I believe exactly as you stated, kmitchellny!

[@godzillamanstreb524]

I agree!

[@aprillessingtonbailey190]

Facts

[@tikibar1169]

I feel the same way!

[@lisaforte1575]

Same here.

[@katherineL5643]

I think Alex still thinks somehow he can beat a lot of this, both the murders and the financial crimes restitution, delays etc etc. He told Buster "when I get out of here"... they will deal with Buster going back to law school.

[@u.synlig]

Maybe A.M. believes that he has the governor, a future governor or an advisor to a governor in his pocket; maybe he thinks a pardon (or clemency) will be his, down the line - as long as he avoids the murder conviction.

[@cristineconnell7803]

He cries when he thinks about the alternative & hearing guilty guilty guilty! Otherwise the eyes are dry & he has to run that tissue hard to get his eyes to look red & water! Then sets a dry crumpled tissue on the desk! He is having trouble bs ing his way here! I do think he will take the stand, but again we shall see!

[@janefigueroa1731]

Very laid back demeanor he is a great judge

[@doyledh]

Eric Bland makes a brilliant point: the dogs were witnesses and they did speak on the 8:44 video. They were not barking! Had a stranger been there they would have been barking like crazy. Hat tip to Sherlock Holmes, Hounds of Baskerville.

[@lisacalistro4357]

How does Alex sleep at night? His wife of how many years. His own flesh and blood.

[@elvisman8721]

Eric Bland is the man! CUPS UP Great guests, this is true crime discussion. Lawyers, not retired LE, give the best, realistic & smartest commentary!

[@tikibar1169]

Great guests and discussion as usual! All you gotta do is listen to the jailhouse phone calls between Alex and his family including Buster to know the real man. He barely mentions his deceased wife or son. All he cares about is money for Buster, Buster getting back into law school and money being added to his jailhouse canteen. Real narcissistic psychopathic POS! I don’t believe he has any remorse for what he did

[@365kps2]

Buster doesn’t want to go to Law School! Plus, the dean should not make an exception for Buster. Maybe $$$$?

[@joannabell2453]

I agree! I listened to those calls, too. He was seemed very pushy.

[@joannabell2453]

@@365kps2 I believe I remember hearing Alex say on one of those calls that he paid an attorney $60K, and that attorney, who is supposed to be a good friend of the dean at the USC law school, was supposed to help Buster get back in law school by January 2022.

[@tikibar1169]

@365kps2 Yup, even in jail he’s up to no good

[@doyledh]

Yes, and money for the canteen to get more food.

[@beckysmith2222]

If you haven't already go over to Murdaugh Murders Podcast you will see what kind of person he really is, listen to the jail phone calls between Alex, Buster & John

[@krissyhimes9357]

I just stopped by to check out this channel. So far so good. I like this group!

[@CathyPinAZ]

Excellent discussion with the #BestGuests in true crime here at #STSNation! May justice be served for Maggie & Paul - & all of Alex’s many victims. ❤

[@afiiineAF]

To quote the great Georgia Cappelman in the trial of Katie Magbanua “don’t let the way he thinks he will get off be the way he gets off” 🙏🏽

[@cristineconnell7803]

Yes indeed! Great quote & highly appropriate!

[@davidhillman1532]

AM "checks their pulse," "rolls them over," and yeah, right. Yet he has NONE OF THEIR BLOOD on his clean clothes. I don't think so. GUILTY.

[@westboundpony]

Good convo, good panel ;)

[@tonilonergan8235]

I was watching The interview room he is a retired homicide dect , definitely worth checking it out, what he has put together with the timeline is awesome to have a visual put prospective really puts the state's case strong. I am hoping that they take the jury on a site visit and through the timeline and car data's steps.

[@sueandpatrick]

I saw that podcast too - should definitely have been presented to the court!

[@Mimix6380]

If HAD to see a parent that night, why not his dad who basically was given a death sentence?

[@cindyeastbourn7642]

so true

[@susieannei5641]

@1:09: AM wouldn’t put Buster in the stand? He wouldn’t do that to his son” ????! Remember he SHOT Paul!

[@carrow1057]

Woo hoo! We never like to miss Eric Bland. Awesome.

[@whitewindbluehand]

Love this panel and love you Joel!

[@SurvivingTheSurvivor]

Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

[@therealduchess]

Good podcast, great energy.

[@amymclain9560]

Class act panel❤

[@petuniab.222]

OnStar actually showed that only signals from the family's Vehicles were at the property on the day of the murders. No other vehicle was in or around the area that day.

[@supremlyfoxylass]

Great show!

[@sweetcountrylivinginmichigan]

This was so good tonight.

[@SurvivingTheSurvivor]

Thanks, Sweet Country!

[@Natalie_TrueCrime]

Great job you all! 🎉

[@fearandloathing75]

Judge Newman is anointed and divinely appointed to deliver us from the evil one.

[@metalcubana3004]

Speaking of things that stand out... Anyone find it odd (like effing wtf weird)...that AM tried to FACETIME Rogan from the scene?!? 👀🔥👀🔥

[@jenniferb2864]

Great guests and discussion. Did any more come out about the $1000 Gucci purchase?

[@janefigueroa1731]

That's insane laying out p.j. and folds underwear that she wouldn't wear with p.j. really who else would do that

[@MrsOdie2]

When I was on a jury, we spent a week listening to testimony and talking about our jobs and families and hobbies. Then when we got the case, it was astounding how differently we each saw things. And I stopped liking people I'd liked up to then!

[@TracyDale007]

Petticoat Junction 😂😂😂 exactly EB!! 😂😂😂

[@pearlskid8425]

I love Eric Bland. I have been following him ever since he first appeared on Mandy Matney’s podcast. He is such a force for good. Just one request….if he doesn’t like how “old timey” and sexist Dick Harpootlian has been then I wish he wouldn’t use the term “girls” when he’s saying goodbye to his other female lawyer colleagues.

[@tgtg7227]

Thanks!

[@Natalie_TrueCrime]

Agreed Dick Harpootlian is very vintage 1980s

[@standback5806]

I hurt seeing him try to walk. My bones get sore.

[@joannabell2453]

I’ve been calling Harpootlian “Grandpa”, and I call Jim Griffin “Grandpa, Jr.” of Grandpa & Griffin, LLC

[@stephanieszady9826]

Great Show❤

[@annied9864]

Why are witnesses allowed in courtroom

[@MLA56]

I spent 30 years in the US Army. 5 years, 8 months in close combat in Airborne Infantry and later Special Forces. I've been in the middle of and participated in more death, violence and carnage than most people. I'm as "hardened," I suppose as anyone could reasonably be. But. If I drove up and found MY son and his MOTHER on the ground with their blood, skulls and brains all over the place? I'd be EXACTLY like Eric Bland described. In shock. Either catatonic or screaming uncontrollably. Unable to think or speak coherently for DAYS, at the least. Alex Murdaugh, as far as we know, hadn't EVER encountered such a situation. He was never in the military, so he didn't even have the most basic level of training to prepare his mind. And here he was. Talking coherently, quickly launching into his alibi, possible reasons, and other possible suspects. Combined with the ABSENCE of the clothes, shoes, firearms, and evidence of anyone else, the odds of him NOT being involved are astronomical. FAR, FAR past reasonable doubt.

[@ceciliac2225]

That’s fine and great that Alex will be locked up in prison for life because of financial crimes. I definitely want justice for Maggie and Paul. Maggie and Paul deserve to have the truths come out.

[@soalegria1971]

Agreed! AM needs to be in prison with no possibility of ever being released. He’s a danger to society.

[@ksoleicorazon8079]

I think Alec fell down backward after Paul moved started walking.

[@sula1529]

I m new here and really enjoying the channel 🤗

[@SurvivingTheSurvivor]

Thanks! Please tell friends!

[@sashab8037]

I’m here for STS no other reason ❤

[@SurvivingTheSurvivor]

Thanks, Sasha!

[@SunnyDay335]

Two guns is Alex' attempt to distract. He said whoever did it thought it out for a long time. He might have had the guns hidden outside the feed room or standing in clear sight with some excuse for them to be there. Lures Paul into the feed room and boom!

[@cristineconnell7803]

I can so easily see him having them on slings! Right handy! 2 to insure 1 didn't jam up at a bad time, & a good alibi for more than 1 shooter!

[@dianamarietaylor]

I can see the defense say ... ok he did lie. But he feared he'd be accused of their murders since he was at the scene. Hope no one buys that crap

[@LocoMoco]

Channel for Sarah and Mandy is under Sarah A. Ford

[@justicejane2429]

Thank you so much for answering the question it was asked all throughout the LIVE chat...now we know where to find her.

[@LocoMoco]

@@justicejane2429 see you there!

[@davidhillman1532]

Buster lost his mother, he lost his brother, and yet he sits there in court behind his murderous daddy and smirks on camera. Steven Smith.

[@Brandysky1]

Exactly! Have we even seen Buster tear up during any of this trial? This would be so hard for a son/sibling to listen to...where is his separation anxiety???

[@caterinascarcella]

Buster has done bad stuff too according to the low country hbo series; I’m not surprised he is standing by Alec.

[@cindyeastbourn7642]

Buster teared up when he said his Grandpa died.

[@jennifermitchell3070]

He gives me the creeps!!! If I were his girlfriend I would break up with him. She might be the next victim. Scary!!!!

[@joantinker1693]

Shut up! Did Eric say AM deleted the last text he ever received from his son, Paul? Man, it doesn't get anymore cold-blooded than that.

[@fearandloathing75]

They have everything they need to convict with no doubt. I hope they keep it simple stay confident and return a guilty verdict. That's the right verdict without any further questions.

[@wattle2394]

Yeah, agree that the phone data was amazing and was not somethung Alec or the defense were expecting or can really do anything about. That was an amazing presentation.

[@patrue6436]

Did you see the way Alex was smiling, than again looking at the jury while his son was on the stand.

[@Lulu00000]

Since he knew his son was with his wife. Did Alex try calling his son when his wife didn't answer the phone? Wouldn't that be what anyone who have done? He didn't because he knew he was dead.

[@oliver0656]

Ok. Satellite vs cellular - I was wondering how the State was going to get around the dead areas regarding the electronics footprints. Onstar is satellite.

[@susan9630]

The lack of a proper temperature is irrelevant in this case. I've never seen a coroner give a smaller window than an hour for death based on temperature, normally it is two or three hours because of all the variables. And the TOD is already established within 70 minutes by the digital evidence.

[@fearandloathing75]

I hit like and I love y'all.❤

[@susanaroche8642]

Sarah is so brilliant!

[@davidhillman1532]

Steven Smith? Buster.

[@beckiireland4720]

If I were on the jury, I’d be voting for guilty. I have faith in the common sense of those people on the jury. Don’t cut them short. They might just surprise you. 🤞🙏☘️

[@renemason9183]

What made me mad was when DH told the jury AM is going to get LWOP for his financial crimes. There has never been a convict convicted of LWOP for a non violent crime !!!!! The State has to set that right!

[@renemason9183]

They will get life but not life without parole. Life in Alabama; is the same as thirty years. You will have your first parole consideration in 10 years ( you never make the first parole but in Al the parole board is a separate entity and is political. Our parole board is not under the Department of Corrections. Also all non violent inmates can eventually go to work release

[@cindyeastbourn7642]

Will they bring that up in closing to clear this up?

[@SunnyDay335]

Please caution guests to speak one at a time. All have important input not to be interrupted.

[@catherinegray5775]

Maggie’s wedding ring was found under her car seat. How does this play in a blissful marriage?

[@jenniferourada9799]

Yeah. I don’t think she put it there for safekeeping while getting a mani/pedi. She would put it in her handbag or wallet or whatever she was carrying. It’s weird.

[@maryl.7226]

Alex might have ripped it off her finger after he killed her, so he could sell it at the local pawn shop.

[@lindylee1139]

I cannot comprehend how a father could kill his own son.

[@Nanaof3.]

If he can sacrifice one son he would sacrifice his other son to save his own skin...no doubt 🧐

[@nancychadwick7564]

❤ Eric Bland!

[@nancychadwick7564]

I think DH ruined his career when he stated in his opening statement he was proud to represent AM

[@originaltlcbags]

Yessss ~ it’s the little (big) things. The underwear. Huge “hold on a minute” moment for me when Blanca mentioned it.

[@barrettlori9249]

Great coverage guy's 👍 Even if Alex is given 20 seconds, where exactly was he when he called 911? When did he drive to the house to retrieve a gun mentioned to the first responder? Why no blood on steering wheel or phones, after touching the bodies? Where did he wipe down his hands, after turning Paul over and checking pulse of both victims? 🤔

[@rossmacintosh5652]

Here's how I think Alex could have committed the murders within the timeline presented by the prosecution. I've posted this earlier on another channel: (Sorry it's so long but there's lots of detail) In the 23 minutes between Alex getting home & Paul's arrival there, Alex had lots of time alone to load the guns, gather some bags for the disposal, and put them in the back of the ATV at the kennels. He was there alone because the house-keeper and kennel-man were gone prior to Alex's arrival. Kennel-man testified there were no guns there while he was at the kennel. He seemed like the kind of guy who'd notice if there was. While Paul & Maggie were still alive Alex could have laid out the hose to top up a water bowl but also to have it ready for a quick clean up. His whole plan would have been to quickly commit the murders, clean up, and get out of there ASAP. He needed it to seem like the murders could have been committed while he was going to Almeda. He would be aware that time of death calculations would be imprecise and that he definitely needed to be quick about leaving in order to create an alibi. All of them could have gone together to the kennels in the golf cart. Getting Paul to the Feed Room would have been easy. Just ask him to fetch something. The walk for Alex from ATV guns to Feed Room would only take a few seconds. Easy to shoot unsuspecting Paul when he was trapped in the Feed Room. He would have known those first two shots would have brought Maggie back to the area to investigate. (Firing their own guns was a common enough thing that she'd likely run to the action than away from it. She'd be more confused than affraid). Alex was ready with the rifle to respond by shooting her. He'd then need to go over to the hose, strip down, hose off as best he could, and put on the poncho raincoat to lessen any inadvertent transfer of evidence. GSR on inside of coat may have been from his skin that he didn't successfully hose off. He likely bagged the guns and clothes for disposal, putting them in his golf cart for his return to his Suburban at the house. He could then go to the house, quickly shower, and put on new clothes before leaving to his Mother's house with the guns and clothes for disposal. When he left in the Suburban he likely was still wet as he had a beach towel on the front seat of the vehicle. I think he had the bagged clothes, bagged guns, and poncho on a tarp in the cargo area of the Suburban. Tarp would have prevented any evidence transfer to this trunk and because the bagged evidence may have been wet.. I suspect that after shooting Maggie, Alex wanted her phone to confirm it was receiving the texts & calls he intended to make to build his alibi. He might have taken the ATV to her body so the lights could help him find the phone. The tire came to a stop pushing on her leg. He found the phone but found she was still alive. He then put the last bullet in her head. In order for the slight leg bruising (reported by medical examiner) to have formed on Maggie's leg, she had to have still been alive when the tire made contact & transferred the mud seen in crime-scene photos. She was not run over. The steps recorded on her phone could have been Alex taking it to his parked golf cart. His own phone was off at that time. When he later made the texts & calls to Maggie's phone he would have had it with him, seeing the notifications to confirm it was receiving that support for his alibi. He may have planned on responding to the texts she received to make it look like she was still alive later than she was. That may have been thwarted because he could only see notifications & not open the phone. He soon tossed it out the window & sped up on his trip to Almeda. Calls to others were done by Alex on route to try to establish it was business as usual. Regarding Paul's phone, he may have intended to do the same but saw its battery was practically dead so he left it. He likely also saw the notifications of multiple texts & calls from Rogan. His later urgency in calling Rogan might have been out of concern that Rogan's unanswered contact attempts might pin the murders as earlier than Alex wanted the narrative to be. (Alex wanted police to think the murders occurred after Alex left for Almeda - Paul's phone suggested otherwise). When he arrived at Almeda he proceeded past the parking area and apparently even drove on the lawn. Before going into the house he was stopped for a minute with the vehicle running. During that time he could have run out and stashed the guns & bagged clothes. He was very familiar with that property and would only need a temporary hiding place as he'd have plenty of opportunity to properly & permanently dispose of that evidence later. (He even stayed there part of the time after the murders!). He was on the phone with Shelley, the care-giver, letting her know he was there & needed her to let him in, when he reached the house so he didn't make the call from the vehicle. Shelley also testified that she noticed the ATV with a flat tire had been moved with the implication Alex may have used it. When he was leaving Almeda he stopped moving near the end of the driveway for a minute. I'm thinking he got out to temporarily stash the tarp & raincoat in the thick vegetation located there. A few days later when he showed up at 6:30am to try to "encourage" Shelley to lie if asked how long Alex's visit had been on the night of the murders, he carried in and took upstairs the tarp. It seems the upstairs area was off limits to the care-givers. It was testified that a tarp was laid over a chair. That could suggest it was wet when Alex put it there (because it spent a few days stashed in the vegetation). The raincoat poncho that could have been wrapped in the tarp was found hidden (not hung) in an upstairs closet. When Alex returned from Almeda, he went to the house first. Knowing they were dead he might have been checking on the golf cart to be sure it left no evidence or put it away as it could have been left earlier next to where his Suburban had been parked. (Remember he was in a hurry earlier). Upon his arrival back at the kennels, Alex likely would have briefly surveyed the scene to be comfortable if it was safe to call 911. He called & waited. He could have coiled the hose while he waited so the scene looked just right. (Only he would put the hose away. No hit-squad would bother, but Alex likely had a planned vision of what the scene should look like). He might also have returned the ATV to the shed a few feet away while waiting the 19 minutes for the police to arrive. There was 10 minutes between the end of the 911 call and Alec calling his brother Randolph. I've done some further thinking about how they got to the kennels. It must have been the golf cart. Paul's truck & Maggie's Benz (or bicycle) weren't at the kennels. Nor was Alex's suburban until just before he called 911. There was a ATV there but it was neatly parked under the hanger's covered extension as if for storage. It wasn't raining prior to the discoveries of the bodies so had, say, Paul & Maggie used it (as defence may suggest) why park it there and not just where convenient? Paul didn't seem like the type to park it carefully particularly if he intended to later use it to return to the house. Also note the ATV was just a side-by-side so all three couldn't ride in it. Alex in an interview said Paul would NEVER walk to the kennels, so that leaves the golf cart for all three to use and adds to the possibility that Alex could have prepared earlier by putting guns in the ATV. That ATV has a work bed on the back with sides where guns would only be obvious if you walked up and looked in that box. Apparently on the driveway that comes into the kennel area from Moselle Road there is a small cottage next to the kennel range. In some of the aerials you can see it just off the far end of the kennels, at the end that is away from the feed room. It could be that that is where Alex cleaned up & changed his clothes. In that location he could have had clean clothing on the ready as part of his planning. Apparently that cottage wasn't searched by SLED. It could be the evidence that someone had a shower at the main residence is just a distraction. It might have been Alex had a quick shower after arriving home from work, reinforced by the testimony from the housekeeper that the clothes he was wearing in the tree Snapchat wasn't what he was wearing when he went to work that day. I also note the beach towel seen on Alex's Suburban's front seat. If that was there because after the murder his hair was wet from being hosed off or a quick shower, then it is very significant. I note it certainly wasn't a designer towel. It looks more like the kind of towel that might have been at the cottage than the main house.

[@teresaholbrook7983]

Could very well be!

[@lbft100]

How do you account for the angle of the shots?

[@joannabell2453]

@@lbft100, Angle of the shots to whose body? Paul’s or Maggie’s?

[@lbft100]

@@joannabell2453 Paul’s

[@dsmiles4324]

You nailed it. I do think he planned this for a couple of months. Also since the jury can NOT take notes, I think they all will remember key witness testimony. His alibi is so blown. I do not see how the jury can imagine anyone but AM committing these murders unless some are threatened or paid off.

[@renemason9183]

There were two eye witnesses that saw AM with his finger on the trigger; oh wait; they are dead

[@365kps2]

Agree with Eric!!!

[@cindyeastbourn7642]

I was so into this case before the defense started. Can’t do it now!

[@janefigueroa1731]

Amen lady

[@DMS1010]

Legendary lawyer….not so much. He opened that door, paved the road, built the bridge as I paraphrase Judge Newman

[@Amontillado72]

This case is as clear as the clearest day can possibly be. Same as Alec's relationship with wife and son "good as it can possibly be" 😉

[@seasmith8477]

Maybe AM tripped over the feed room door threshold....stepping backward after shooting Paul and Paul stepping toward AM after the first shot

[@lindsayshea]

You can’t rationalize irrational behavior 💯

[@JazzySerendipity]

What movement does Maggie's phone show? If it was AM who took it, then it would show phones moved together.

[@janefigueroa1731]

What killer comes to the scene and use guns that are on premise how would they even know where they would be unless told or are there helping am.i hope Maggie and Paul did not die in vein he will have to live in jail going forward thru the financial crimes

[@karenschmidtke8129]

Cups up!!

[@jennifer17032]

One thing that struck me when Eric brought up the fact that the sketch looked a lot like Connor Cook...throughout this entire sage, on at least 2 occasions I've heard Alex bein asked the names of the others on the boat and he plays like he doesn't know off the top of his head.... I call bs on that! Everyone following this case could prob name each person on that boat and we don't even know them! Alex knows them not to mention he's seen all of their names 500x in all of the legal docs. It's as if he's trying to put off the appearance that he wasn't as affected and invested in the legal aspect of the boat case when he absolutely was.

[@TracyDale007]

@Izzy Mariel Alex was smiling at the last witness. She was the spokesperson from either SLED or maybe the police department. She released the first statement to the press about the double murder. Wasn’t it creepy the way he was smiling at her?

[@cristineconnell7803]

@@MrDave1963 When Buster was on stand AM's Cheshire cat grin was flat creepy! Then all the sudden, it looked like he was watching jury, who he kept watching as he adored Buster. All the sudden his creepy grin changed to anger & trying not to glare! Then he just looked down or at Buster stone faced with quick glances at jury! He acts very much different in front of jury! Sure hope they see through his b s !

[@cristineconnell7803]

LORD GOD we need this in WA state! Most definitely!

[@cherylbrady563]

Mr. Bland nailed it. Jaws of Life.

[@peggybreidenbach8703]

I've watched a lot information on this case.....so many questions..... As for the odd angel of 2nd shot to Paul, Alex could have stumbled backwards out the door, being surprised that Paul didn't go down & was staggering forward. What did Alex mean when he said he figured it out, when he tried to roll Paul over. So much more.....

[@cindyeastbourn7642]

Paul’s arms and hands were under his body, how do you check a pulse?