Murder victim’s father speaks out after Nottingham appeal rejection

The families of the victims of the Nottingham attacks on Tuesday hit out at the “utterly flawed and under-resourced” criminal justice system after judges rejected an appeal over the triple killer’s sentence.
The Court of Appeal concluded that there was “no error” when Valdo Calocane, 32, was given an indefinite hospital order instead of a prison sentence because he was in the “grips of a severe psychotic episode” during his killing spree on June 13 last year. Calocane’s sentence for manslaughter by reason of diminished responsibility has been upheld by the judges.
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[@gordonmckenzie926]

Once again, the justice system is on the rights of the criminal, rather than the victims. Truly sickening.

[@jungleboy1]

it always is. Its getting worse now.

[@abbieroseholden4174]

I am on the parents side on this and the rest of the victims families he is a stone cold murderer and should be in prison until the day he dies simple as

[@Yes_587]

A psychiatric hospital is very much like a prison, in fact it is much worse. He is not having a good time in there.

[@patrickkirwan3353]

​@@Yes_587Happy days.

[@abbieroseholden4174]

@@Yes_587 but he should be locked up until the day he dies. He killed 3 people without a shred of remorse he's just evil

[@Jojohumf]

So he murdered somebody but won’t face the charge, regardless of mental state he should have been charged with murder.

[@AdamtheEnglishViking]

If only it worked that way. Heartbreaking actually.

[@se20se20]

Whats the point of prison in the first place? You want to punish someone for something they wouldn't of done had the been in their right mind. That just doesn't follow!

[@thetrophysystem3697]

Country an absolute pathetic embarrasment once again.

[@aeriumfour6096]

Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent

[@susanplatt5331]

Do you know what it's like in a mental hospital? Do you know what it's like in a mental prison?

[@azillliasmith2734]

@@susanplatt5331are you in one ? .....

[@aoc092]

@@susanplatt5331 Isn't there a difference between both? A mental hospital would allow more privileges, e.g. family support & visitations, living conditions, etc.

[@darrenbrassington7364]

The justice system is broken

[@TheWESTSIDE1967]

The only Law in UK is take into your own hands unfortunately

[@techtinkerin]

Yep and by doing that you'll likely end up in jail yourself

[@Ontgo-dt9fc]

I second this. I don't trust the police to do the right thing

[@peterthornton8520]

A TRUE WORD SPOKEN WITH FEELING.

[@TheWESTSIDE1967]

@@techtinkerin be worth it

[@dianeirvine7624]

Where’s the deterrent? , no wonder knife crime is out of control

[@agnescraig2912]

Yes because the Establishment and civil servants have robustly refrained from naming nationalities based on crimes as a Right to Information.

[@azillliasmith2734]

@@agnescraig2912you can not even find out the birth rates of "different" groups there are no official statistics..... not that we need them it's obvious to see....

[@mivanp2185]

Disgusting what this country is doing to the families of ancestors that have funded and served this country for centuries. I for one disgusted by what is going on.

[@darkblondewatch8652]

They should have known howl bad his mental health was before they releaed him from the mental hospital.

[@agnescraig2912]

But it is exaggerated by the highly learned Psychiatrist and endorsed by the police social workers and all his defence team.

[@ragingpagan8847]

Was a hate crime

[@AdamtheEnglishViking]

That's a one way street, seemingly more and more.

[@agnescraig2912]

Think the killer alluded to this hae crime.

[@pywacketttrixabell6534]

It is disgusting he should go to prison for life

[@michaelcoles7588]

My deepest condolences on the loss of your daughter if people had done there jobs the young people and older gentleman would still be here, losing a child is deeply devastating and the poor parents lives will never be the same

[@gurudebariq]

I wish no parents ever have to go through the pain these families have suffered. Parents invest every second of their life to bring their children up and the loss of children like this, I have no words to describe their pain. Wish peace and strength for the suffering families.

[@raypurchase801]

Usual sus... You know the rest.

[@Sidb26]

This is only going to get worse with a labour government

[@techtinkerin]

Bollshut

[@susanplatt5331]

Nice boring deflection. Tories made the cuts that created this situation.

[@Sidb26]

@susanplatt5331 yes and like I said labour will make it worse

[@peterthornton8520]

Their slogan is Welcome to Britain. The country of: Free Money, Free Housing, Free Knives, Blind Law enforcement, Bent and Anti White Racist Officials. These are just a few of the benefits available

[@terryjacob8169]

Yvette Cooper as Home Secretary in a Labour government will be an utter disaster for any semblence of a justice system in Britain.

[@clairemartin922]

This country has been destroyed by years of funding cuts to services. Services are poorly run and this is the outcome. Welome to broken britain😢 my heart bleeds for her parents 💔

[@archiem1115]

Nothing to do with budget cuts. Purely down to the overprioritisation of mental health rehabilitation with no consideration of public safety.

[@steptay]

This country has been destroyed by years of liberalism of the justice system infested with diversity & inclusion coming before the ability to actually do your job properly.

[@susanplatt5331]

​@archiem1115 had the service's not been cut, they would have prioritised taking proper care of this man and he wouldn't have been out of hospital, unmedicated. Those victims would still be alive if tories hadn't cut service's. Mental illness should be prioritised, so people don't get hurt. Your stance is very ignorant and unhelpful.

[@archiem1115]

@susanplatt5331 Laughable. Absolutely laughable. What would more funding have provided? This gentleman had NHS medication that was paid and provided for him, he refused to follow his schedules. What are you considering "proper care?" 24 hour supervision and forced medication? If so, they probably should've just arrested him on the warrant he had outstanding the day he committed his atrocity. Your stance is laughable. Blame budget cuts for the result of lack of conviction and an overemphasis on rehabilitation of PROVEN VIOLENT INDIVIDUALS.

[@redhotzuluwarrior]

If you don’t live in London or the big cities you don’t see it so much but there are masses of genuinely crazy people wandering the streets and transport systems, completely unsupervised… I add most of them are not indigenous.

[@Rugbyman269]

Governments for decades have let this country down by allowing these people in . Britain is is not the the place for everyone that would like a better life just because they can come here , they need to take responsibility and make their own countries better .

[@AdamtheEnglishViking]

Stop talking sense, friend. Or the thought police will nab you for being right.

[@susanplatt5331]

His mental illness has nothing to do with the colour of his skin or where he's from. Mentally ill white British people can be dangerous if not treated properly and medicated. Bigotry isn't helpful.

[@peterthornton8520]

They have already ruined their Own Countrys

[@willhall4037]

So, he should not have been out and free? As proven by his actions. How many more are out and free? Are there any that arrived since around 2015, by boat or free aircraft seat?

[@raypurchase801]

Shouldn't have been allowed into the UK at all.

[@TMckenzie007]

And if he was white English what would u have said? Its a pointless statement the main fact of the case this guys had mental issues and shouldn't have been around the public full stop

[@willhall4037]

@@TMckenzie007 difficult to ignore the colour of the sky when you see it every day

[@susanplatt5331]

​@@willhall4037colour has nothing to do with mental illness.

[@willhall4037]

@@susanplatt5331 How many more are ...etc. I want to know, which is why I asked, Also, who do we hold responsible if not the government for letting this travesty occur?

[@lenniespider]

My heart goes out to you

[@samgraham9354]

These poor people; feel so sorry for them. Bless them.

[@Victoria-hz3gx]

ALWAYS THE SAME! ❤Our deepest condolences ❤💐🕊️🦋✊😪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@austin_316]

B1ack Privilage

[@Cosmic-Wanderer]

Non-English privilege welcomes all new dingy floaters and raft riders to britain

[@AdamtheEnglishViking]

With great bwack power comes no responsibility. Welcome to Ungreat Britain.

[@azillliasmith2734]

Dr who 😬 pander pander pander .......

[@techtinkerin]

Cant comment because orwell tube will say im being a naughty boy

[@evelynvanzale4757]

It seems you are, indeed, a naughty boy if you actually believe Labour will get us out of this quagmire!

[@azillliasmith2734]

@@evelynvanzale4757 exactly especially with a weak leader like Starmer who can't tell the difference between a man or a woman 😬....

[@peterthornton8520]

FREE SPEECH??????

[@MIGHTYRIVERS19]

TERRIBLE

[@clarepartrick1066]

My heart goes out to the victims families the heartache they must be going through, I do hope they get the justice that is deserved.😅

[@ravd1427]

State of "law and justice" in this country is a joke.

[@donwilsmore3945]

I’m surprised that we don’t have more vigilantes,because we are not getting justice for the victims….!!

[@ianglover3642]

Can't understand why firearms Police weren't deployed!

[@pasta8470]

Blatantly premeditated yet responsibility is deemed "diminished"... make it make sense

[@rdunn1971]

Very disapointing. I feel much less safe

[@morriganwitch]

My deepest condolences

[@REX4340]

I imagine his life in a secure hospital will be quite cushy😮

[@levi5073]

Is Sadiq Khan in charge of Nottingham too?

[@whiskeywarlord9425]

Parents should have talen it into their own hands,,, end of

[@peterthornton8520]

Totally Agree

[@Mkbshg8]

Well spoken and condolences to you and family. No excuse for this.

[@terryjacob8169]

Britain urgently needs a fresh Albert Pierrepoint, and politicians/judges with the backbone to regularly employ him.

[@MarjorieStoker-oj8fh]

Totally understand these poor people how they will suffer for their losses of loved ones

[@davidhenryandthemysterons3220]

Full benefits in hospital, eight hundred quid a month. Do seven years then convince the medical board that they have done a good job making him better, and out on the streets free to go. WTF

[@dorreenjones1348]

What about the NHS mental health team? They have a legal duty to support anyone with mental health conditions. With the right support in the community & this was preventable. This evil monster was taking other illegal drugs, which made his mh worse. So not only the police, NHS and other professionals. The LA adult social care team have let you down. Please use all parties and go to fitness to practice.

[@yoshiSBX]

💔

[@tanktutorials]

Manchurian candidate

[@Ineedyoulou]

Is it because I'm black................

[@jacquelineithell307]

I feel for the Parents , but his mental health , makes him a very dangerous Person , so a secure Hospital is were the British Law deem is the safest place , you can not have someone like this roaming around a Prison, be it criminals in there , that also must be Protected, and the working staff, it’s heartbreaking l understand but , the secure Hospital is the only way

[@sas2300]

I think the issue in modern times is that too often we treat the perpetrators of the crimes as the victims who need to be cared for rather than treating them as the criminals who should face punishment. How is this person receiving help and care in a secure hospital a punishment for murdering that young woman?

[@susanplatt5331]

At last, someone with basic common sense.

[@susanplatt5331]

​@@sas2300this person is being held for his crimes in a hospital, trained to cope and deal with his illness. He is being punished. It really isn't that difficult to understand. If he was left in a regular prison, unmedicated, as he was on the outside when he hurt those people, what do you suppose the outcome would be?!

[@aoc092]

The problem is hospitalisation is not a punishment for the murder of the victims, though I do understand your opinion. My question is, what happens if) when he is better, say in a few years time and a psychiatrist will seem that he is no longer a threat to society? Will he then just be released to go about his own life, or would he then serve a prison sentence that is commensurate to the crime? The families of the victims are serving a lifelong sentence of their own, but people often ignore that. UK laws are too tilted towards the rights of perpetrators and often just tramples over the pain and rights of victims and their families. There must be a way to adequately consider both.

[@jacquelineithell307]

Because he is too dangerous to be in prison circulation with his mental state , but by your reply , it’s ok if put in prison, as if he then kills more people , hey their only convicts ,so they are way down the line , to lots of people it’s not perfect , but are law is to protect people, and that’s exactly what it is doing, as l said absolutely devastating for the victims families but that’s are , law may the not be , to the likening of people but it the Law

[@josephfelts6560]

Some say the criminal justice system is on the side of the criminal with Valdo Calocane. Someone said regardless of mental state, he should have been convicted of murder. And yet, the committance to murder is to have the intent, and the conduct, and Calocane was found to have lacked the intent. Could not be proven for murder. The law makes mitigation for one found not to be in the sanity of their own mind at the time of the offence. They could not form the intent due to their mind being impaired. Is that right? You're not in a sane frame of mind, your mind is controlling you, not the other way around. If you're not in control of your actions, is it right to hold you accountable for them? I feel for the families of the deceased. It's shattering to lose a loved one, particularly to crime. We seem to have accepted the law until it happens to us, or to someone connected, and then we voice opinions. It is not always straightforward in a killing that it is murder. Here, with Calocane, the injustice is not with the criminal justice system. On several, several occasions, he came to the attention of mental health facilities, psychiatric professionals, and at one point was deemed of a low risk, thus managed in the community. He had displayed instances of mental disturbance at home and around him outside. He had been arrested on occasion and found to be mentally unstable, psychologically troubled, prescribed with medication he eventually stopped taking, and was due to be arrested for failing to turn up to court for a charge of assault, at the time he committed the killings. There is blame to be laid, because in his mental state, Calocane was not considered a risk, and treated openly in the public, allowing him to just break out and kill. At some point early on in 2019, he was said to have stated he was hearing voices, felt he was being followed by intelligent agencies, even going down to the MI5 HQ, to confront them. We tend to view others as 'not normal', 'not right', because they're not like us. We want to discard them immediately, like litter, and literally like litter, such people are discarded inappropriately, and left for someone else to deal with, and so on, and so on, until no one deals with the litter properly, if at all. If it were my relative or friend, I would want justice. As I said, I feel for the families, the look on Dr Kumar says a whole lot. But the law is the law. The CoA had found likewise.A killing has occurred, the culprit found and convicted. The facts lead to an outcome that may suit some, and not others, but it has followed the law. Like we're suppose to.

[@A-small-amount-of-peas]

These comments are truly sickening. A bunch of amateur qualified psychologists apparently who love victim sympathising so much that they forget they aren't qualified to assess what happened and would rather revel in the attention they get from virtue signalling

[@aoc092]

Is Victim sympathizing such a bad thing? What if one of the three dead victims had been your child or parent or even close friend, would you be so flippant about people sympathising with the victims families? It is possible to understand the plight of the mentally ill killer, yet still feel sympathy and compassion for all the families, whose pain and loss is permanent. The law can feel like a bludgeoning to victims and their families, especially in a case like this, so many will sympatise with their situation. Don't forget that the professional psychologists can and do get it wrong sometimes so..

[@bazmilo-furball1]

He’s black why would he face the consequences of his actions?!!

[@susanplatt5331]

It has nothing to do with colour. He's being detained in the correct facility.

[@Evertonfan1995-le9tr]

@@susanplatt5331 13% doing 99% of crimes got everything to do with colour

[@user-kq9vv5tj1u]

Wait mental health?? He ain't a white man😂😂

[@user-km6jk6xh3v]

Im not going to post im so sorry for the loss of your daughter in the first post. R.I.P. your now an angel looking over and protecting your parents ❤️❤️