Murdering innocent Catholic and Protestant musicians "For God and Ulster" BBC Spotlight

This film contains an interview with John Somerville who was convicted for his part in The Miami Showband Massacre of July 31st 1975.

[@SNP-1999]

I had never heard of the band until coming across the Netflix documentary. It is always incredibly tragic when innocent people are killed - but it is a momentous scandal when they are murdered just to prove a political point by terrorists working in collusion with a country's government. RIP lads. From an Englishman.

[@robsmithadventures1537]

I think these men are using religion as literal "get out of jail" card. Trying to make it look like they're a new person so they won't have to take responsibility for tbeir actions.

[@thenotchosen]

An attack on a citizen was considered a religious attack but attacking musicians is an attack on a culture

[@Dannydantimpat]

One thing , I’ve noticed about Protestant churches is that they seem to have constant splits with each of them believing that it’s only they alone that have a direct line to God. There are hundreds of break away from breakaway churches all over just the US alone ..

[@Dannydantimpat]

@Brendan W They started out as protesters, Protesting about this and that , and they still love to protest , about flegs, about not being able to give two fingers to their neighbors.

[@derekfrost8991]

It breaks my heart, but it's true and they even hate each other. I had to be rebaptized in a baptist church just because they hate methodists, nothing to do with me, but it's not particularly inspiring - being baptized into the pastor's personal feuds.. :'(

[@bellascott6478]

@@Dannydantimpat that’s rich coming from you..republicans protest abt everything..everyone knows they’d turn up to the opening of a letter just to be offended

[@celticmist14]

Catholics disagree and split among other too. Schism happens in the Catholic church too. UNFORTUNATELY

[@thenotchosen]

Great observation ,The same can be said of the catholic religion so many breakaway's ,It is when they create prophecies and then live according to their own understanding view the problems start , I abandoned all religion as I seen it being made up as we went along and the collection plate was breaking me

[@telhadaway3833]

Thank that angers me so much with these people they always seem to have murdered up to a dozen people before they seem to see the light, and a man who shot one of the Miami showband member 15 times in the face then telling people he's a man of God absolutely sickening

[@stevendenny7260]

This was done by the Glennann Gang, a team of paramilitaries with support, assistance and weapons supplied by British soldiers working under cover, and virtually with no oversight. It is suspected that Nairac was present at this, and directly involved.

[@stevenoneill2154]

People can be forgiven if they truly repent. The only thing that can never be forgiven is blasphemy of the holy spirit. In saying that, I totally understand where you are coming from. It is definitely hard to swallow.

[@niallcarr9253]

This is a hoot if U want to know how the Shankill cavemen survive on their diet of an avenging Lord, the Bible & sectarian hatred.

[@adammartin7007]

Looks like Peoples has quite a varied diet.

[@niallcarr9253]

@@adammartin7007 Alas, its less his diet than his struggle to explain how Noah got all those 4000 year old dinosaurs onto the Arc which has given him terrible constipation , something just terrible

[@whitetroutchannel]

they survive like the people on the otherside of the peacewall, flip of the same coin, all bitter bitter people

[@vivhamill30]

This is why my country needs to be reunited.

[@celticmist14]

"Hard worse people ", what was worse than murdering innocent musicians even though all killing wrong

[@nightrunk]

Weird way to live

[@derekfrost8991]

'i don't know what they're thinking, but they're not thinking of the Lord.' exactly, i agree with that lady.

[@davidlambe2856]

Yes absolutely he's god as an excuse

[@evelynmccabe3855]

The Miami showband killings was a terible act. The Miami Showband was a very popular pop band - it was a mixed band of Protestant and Catholic musicians who just loved their music. So tragic I couldnt believe such a thing could happen but it did. I was a great fan of this band. This is an excellent documentary and is an education for me into how religion mixed with paramilatarism is so toxic in N Northern Ireland. Rev Hull seems to me a good christian trying to do the right thing.

[@celticmist14]

Yes e definitely does

[@bustertypsy]

Peeple's and Somerville are/were psychopaths who tried to use religion to justify their beliefs. Somerville had no remorse for the slaughter of innocence of The Miami Showband. He's burning in hell now, but how he slept at night when he drew air mystifies me. Pure evil. His hatred for Catholics was disgusting. Burn away you murdering scum.

[@Irishtinian494]

Yea... most of these fu cking so called born agains are scumbags, why not turn to xtianity before you're a c u nt?

[@JoeDoran-tx3hc]

He can't sleep at night.

[@terenceflood2861]

Jesus is neither Protestant or Catholic.........so much hate dressed up as repentance here..........Wesley Somerville is deified by young protestant marching bands....How misleading to these young people....the Milestone around the neck into the deepest ocean for these so called elders......

[@michaelahern9883]

According to Clifford he's a protestant ....st patricks was a protestant too..

[@gerardmccartney3186]

Jesus was Jewish

[@markdowney4837]

According tho the person talking he believes there related to the long lost tribe of Israel never knew the jews originally came from Scotland

[@enlightenedchristian3183]

@@gerardmccartney3186 No Jesus was from Ballyfermot.So was the legendary swordsman Zorro. What does it matter .....

[@celticmist14]

There are wonderful.good Christian people in all sides but not from Clifford Peebles.

[@davidlambe2856]

Yes that's for sure

[@JackCrane-bj7eo]

Yes good people from both sides and people from both sides who got out on the good Friday, but Clifford peeples is not a good person his own people hate him

[@user-qh7dj2nz9i]

Clifford peeples is a hated man on the shankill

[@donaldstewart9827]

He thought he was "foolish" backing a sectarian murderous campaign against innocent people. LOL!

[@rachelleonard9831]

I can't believe that Jesus is in the UVF

[@Dannydantimpat]

@Rachel Leonard Yes he is , didn’t you see him seated at the right hand of The Godfather .

[@paulmcdonough1093]

shut up muppet

[@davidm3maniac201]

Why is it they turn to god once in prison

[@MrLorenzovanmatterho]

All things to all men.

[@bellascott6478]

Lol..you better believe it..🤣

[@thejoin4687]

What became of Creeples?

[@ruairijoseph]

Actually think that Somerville dude is borderline special needs

[@vrot9255]

Most loyalists are.

[@michaelahern6821]

He's dead now...

[@Battismore-Blue]

Are Protestants like this in any other part of the World ?

[@garysmith3494]

Been wanting to watch the last five minutes of this for ages. The NEW RED PRODUCTIONS upload stopped at 22mins thereabouts lol.

[@michaelireland2506]

As simplistic as it sounds, all they have to do is just get on the ferry back to Scotland and they will be happier. Loyalists in the north are never happy unless they are miserable.

[@whitetroutchannel]

chances are your irish bloods more norman than anything else, sure you head on back to france

[@adammartin7007]

That Peoples is such a slimy creep.

[@JackCrane-bj7eo]

I agree both sides hate him

[@user-qh7dj2nz9i]

He's hated everywhere and that's for sure he needs help that man

[@krugerfuchs]

Fran o toole Bryan McCoy and Tony Geragthy paid a bigger price love

[@davidbarr2155]

Miami Showband Massacare In October 2019 the British Ministry of Defence handed over a document naming the British officer who was involved in the planing and execution of the Miami Showband Massacare the documents where given to the solicitor representing Fran O”tooles Widow and this is the first time that Captan Robert Nairac has been publicly linked to this event massacre of innocent musicians,

[@raygreen5926]

Robert Nairac will forever be an enigma. Perhaps buried under the motorway that skirts Ravensdale forest, it will probably be unknown at this stage. It's disturbing to think he could have been involved in the Miami massacre. Nairac spents happy days in Dublin strolling through Trinity and listening to Gaelic being spoken in Spiddal. He cannot speak in his own defence. He has gone to a place beyond the cares of this world. Robert Nairac will always be an enigma who became engulfed by the Troubles

[@enlightenedchristian3183]

@@raygreen5926 It's neither denied or confirmed by the British M.O.D. Nairac was there on the night and supervised the operation,but my friend Stephen Travers who survived the massacre confirmed the presence of an Oxford English spoken authoritive presence on the night in the form of Robert Nairac. The conclusion drawn by all concerned is it was him .

[@gertrootsmalls2228]

@@enlightenedchristian3183 I have never read that anywhere, could you provide sources please

[@enlightenedchristian3183]

@@gertrootsmalls2228 M.O.D. Lawsuit by massacre survivor Stephen Travers has brought a lot out in the wash ,I haven't spoken to him in 6 months but we've played music together and I also played guitar with another Miami showband member drummer Ray Millar who escaped the attack that nite by driving his own car to his mothers which was closer for him as he didn't live in Dublin so I have it on good authority.

[@jamesoneill2933]

Her brother built that hut with his own bare hands. Praise be.

[@davidm3maniac201]

Yes all on his own.

[@celticmist14]

I am sure he had enormous integrity

[@iansoutryer3189]

Can anyone call himself a "pastor" - with no training or a theological degree?

[@jamesclarke1611]

You need training and to be biblically ordained by other Pastors. "theological degrees" have nothing to do with the bible or how a person becomes a leader in a church. Titus 1 5. For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: 6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. 7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre; 8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate; 9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

[@iansoutryer3189]

@@jamesclarke1611 I was only asking because Wikipedia refered to him as a "self styled pastor"... He returned from prison in 2004 and was installed as a minister at Easter 2005 - which does not leave room for much theological training...

[@conorfields506]

Paisley called himself a doctor even though he purchased it online from canada haha Doctor death when he was giving addresses of 'papists' to crowds he was whipping up on the shankill 1 could argue paisley was most to blame for the 1969 violence

[@celticmist14]

Debate over who wrote Titus 1/2

[@celticmist14]

You have to go to bible college as far add I know

[@michaelahern9883]

It's obvious he's on heavy medication ....

[@JackCrane-bj7eo]

Clifford is not right in the head, everyone knows that

[@michaelahern9883]

What a sorry place.....

[@robertoneill3806]

He looks like an absolute simpleton haha

[@MichaelMinecraft190]

There's a good living to be earned from that 'good' living... Peeples is no Christian...

[@Johnconno]

Jeez, dat's a sweet sound to the ear alroight.

[@torquemada3273]

COMEDY GOLD...AWER WEE COMMUNITY THANG GAWD🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@royalordinance]

Wonder what fredi would say(!) Or Do!

[@cmcd2898]

'There are those that did worse than John'. Mmm...

[@davidlambe2856]

The gospel is for everyone who believes in the lord jesus chirst and who calls on his name and puts there trust in him for forgiveness of sins it's what the scripture tells us not clifford peeples

[@kingwilliamiiiprinceoforan469]

Northern Ireland is the only place where a church fall out would make a national documentary.

[@conorfields506]

I think its the state violence that motives these documentaries

[@kingwilliamiiiprinceoforan469]

@@conorfields506 Its not state violence, its sectarian hatred.

[@conorfields506]

@@kingwilliamiiiprinceoforan469 sectarian hatred carried out by high level police army and their minions and protected by politicians police etc that equates to state violence

[@kingwilliamiiiprinceoforan469]

@@conorfields506 And what has any of that got to do with the church fallout?

[@edro422]

You should decide to get singing lessons 😂

[@michaelahern9883]

He needs electric shock treatment .....sedation ...new brain ....

[@jasbarsoph]

He can’t sing for Shit.

[@jamesfitzgerald6233]

I was just about to say the same thing. He really is a dreadful singer.

[@celticmist14]

Yes and new head and waist as well

[@Pkia-tm7gw]

Regardless of the outcome of the dispute. Jesus would be very impressed with his disciples dressed in tracksuits! ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS! 'In my house there are many mansions'!

[@bellascott6478]

I didn’t see no treksuits..

[@paul-dq6lk]

Jesus would have been astonished if he saw people wearing tracksuits. The technoogy that it takes to produce them didn't exist in his time

[@rassawhelan6045]

How many Protestant denominations are there in the Shankill

[@davidlambe2856]

Lots

[@liamg1706]

Too many

[@theobaldwolfetone98]

A church full of killers. Lovely 🥰

[@davidbarr2155]

Free range psychopaths

[@stevenoneill2154]

I truly do not understand anybody who claims to understand the words of christ and still bring in politics, sectarianism, or any other division and still claim to represent christ, actually think they are justified. The bible clearly says that there is neither jew or gentile, as we are all one in christ. It's in black and white. How can this simple truth not be understood. There is some serious darkness within this particular congregation, but there is definitely more light in that place than darkness. I hope with my heart that these issues get sorted, and all of these people can enjoy the fellowship of christ, and leave worldy matters in the world. It just so sad to see this kind of thing going on in the name of jesus. It's not a bit of wonder that so many people turn away from truth and christ, when this type of nonsense is going on. Any man that says he loves God, yet hates his fellow man is a liar

[@user-qh7dj2nz9i]

Clifford peeples is a man who needs help he will cause trouble everywhere he goes. He will always see a fault. The sooner he gets the help he needs the better

[@romancatholicword528]

As a Roman Catholic, and from a Irish Republican background, it proves everything I believed, there are good decent Protestants, who don’t want bigotry in their churches, they don’t want leaflets filled with hatred in their churches. God bless these people, these people who are Christian people, and I class them as much my friends as my fellow Roman Catholics. My message to Catholics, there are good decent Protestant people, and these people have fought against bigotry!

[@liamg1706]

No catholic calls themselves a roman catholic

[@Pkia-tm7gw]

Was that 'OUR SAMMY' at the gathering of the faithful?

[@Dannydantimpat]

@ Pkia 1050 Yes , Wee Sammy is always stuck in there in the middle of it all .

[@donaldstewart9827]

Aye, wee Sammy the bigot of bigots.

[@Pkia-tm7gw]

For God and Wrightbus!😂🤣💡🃏

[@barryshanley8655]

looks like an old folk home😄

[@bfc3057]

Lol

[@cbalducc]

Looks like the congregation is aging.

[@Dannydantimpat]

@cbalducc Hopefully the young generation have given up the opium of religion . Time to go back to the time of free love and not hate hippie period

[@bellascott6478]

So what about it..doesn’t matter what age they are, if they want to go to their church let them..away and look around the inside of a chapel..I’ve personally never set foot in one, but the state of them going in and out they look like they’ve been on the drink all week long..commenting on their age has got nothing to do with the video..

[@bellascott6478]

@@Dannydantimpat aye if you say so…hopefully the young republicans will stop joy riding and robbing their own community ..so many of them rotting in jail..

[@iansoutryer3189]

But it appears they have been recruiting young ones again: www.elimchurchireland.com/bethel

[@bellascott6478]

@@iansoutryer3189 who are you suppose to be ?..profile pic..Action Man

[@davev7615]

Yet another one of a whole bunch of reasons to dislike religion.

[@AnthonyMonaghan]

The list is pretty much endless. Jesus would kick these dimwits in the knackers. Lost tribe of Israel!

[@josephinehurley6130]

I Think these persons need to read history

[@davidlambe2856]

No every one is nuts like him

[@donaldstewart9827]

I wonder does the Pope know he is hated in that wee shed on the Shankill ? LOL!

[@celticmist14]

Do you reckon he cares??????

[@bellascott6478]

@@celticmist14 no the Pervy ole papist Catholic Church only care about themselves and covering up all their vile crimes against children and young mothers..

[@corkboy4523]

@@bellascott6478 you’re quite the bigot, aren’t you Bella! Grow the fuck up!

[@bellascott6478]

@@corkboy4523 lol just replying in the same manner you lot do.. it’s so funny how everything offends you but only see it one way.. truth hurts wee cork boy ..😁

[@corkboy4523]

@@bellascott6478 you’re a sad woman, but we’ll still welcome you to a United ireland 🇮🇪 😉

[@rebeccalankford2652]

Protestant vs catholic?

[@celticmist14]

No a handful of bigots

[@billkeane528]

bethel church i have seen bigger and better cowsheds christian bible and grenades brigades at the end of the day their all just rebellious catholics

[@Dannydantimpat]

@bill keane They aren’t too many generations removed from their catholic ancestors for sure .. I could definitely see that Pepples guy returning to his catholic roots and becoming pope one day .

[@celticmist14]

Even if in the most unlikely case, could he do any worse, than what is is there already REALLY

[@tommac4658]

What a hypocrite. Chooses God when it suits but still has his balaclava in his back pocket.

[@davidlambe2856]

Yes for sure

[@torquemada3273]

Awe fcuk...kenny mclinton and Sammy Wilson as well...lol...good aul sammy ( no a terrorist honestly yir honour)🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵🎵🎺🎺🎺

[@davidlambe2856]

He's a very bad man clifford peeples

[@telhadaway3833]

Thing

[@seany532]

Clifford still spouting his sectarian ballix on twitter

[@michaelahern6821]

Does he still have a flower shop..?

[@waynebridges.9289]

Bloody hell iam glad that I am a atheists

[@iansoutryer3189]

So, you don't believe in God - but you believe in hell...

[@conorfields171]

dont be so stupid to believe this is about religion protestant domination was challenged and it responded with brutality and pogroms hence the creation of 'the troubles' and the ira

[@jbspanish9534]

@@iansoutryer3189 er - N. I. (a former inmate ).

[@davidlambe2856]

You'll burn in hell

[@Lee-nh5bb]

" Jehovah examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one; He hates anyone who loves violence. " Psalms 11:5

[@weneverstop.4640]

Desended from the lost tribes of isreal 😂😂🤮🤮🤮

[@4thinternational283]

I thought the Jews were native Americans. That's what Joseph Smith claimed and he was protestant.

[@sararyan1255]

🇮🇪🤣😂🤔🔫

[@sararyan1255]

🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪👍

[@masonboyne5074]

Clifford Peebles is a lovely man, a generous man.. He got closer to the Lord 🙏

[@JackCrane-bj7eo]

Clifford peeples is a troubled person and would start trouble in an empty house or gospel hall, his name is the mixing spoon, he's not liked at all he's Hugh jordons info on the loyalists ref Sunday world

[@michaelahern6821]

He belongs in an asylum....its obvious he's on medication heavy medication...

[@vrot9255]

idiot

[@02887727356]

not much of a singer either

[@soulboy6073]

do not you mean His Sister Ann Peebles

[@02887727356]

@@soulboy6073 no he cant sing

[@rachel.mcgowan]

LOL, and no-one else seems to be singing along with him