Murtry's Opening Salvo?!? | The Expanse Ep 4x3 Reaction & Review | Prime Video

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[@crescentmethod]

You are correct, Murtry was the chief of security, he was left in charge after the landing pad explosion. He's a hammer, and all he sees are nails

[@Timmayytoo]

Yeah, it was easy to miss but they do mention that the expedition leader was killed in the crash, so he took over.

[@Weaseldog2001]

I think Murtry sees himself as a Colonel Custer kind of figure. Taming the savage lands for civilization.

[@davidbergfors6820]

@@Weaseldog2001 considering a conversation in a later episode, I think you're right on the money with that one.

[@Weaseldog2001]

@@davidbergfors6820 Shhhh... No spoilers.

[@garethlawton5278]

I know you thought you weren't spoiling anything here but referencing future events is spoiling, even without description so try avoid that. They do read their comments. @@davidbergfors6820

[@julius-stark]

Bobbie's storyline is extremely important, it's not just filler.

[@moe.eleryan]

Yeah the storyline makes more sense in future episodes.

[@suddenimpulse030]

Statements like this are made on this channel about character plots over and over again, in this show and in other shows they watch, and they never seem to learn their lesson even when it becomes clear that its important later and they acknowledge it. Its wild.

[@gravshark]

I think you're reading too far into it. Media is all subjective at the end of the day anyway. Its perfectly valid for them to make statements like that at the time they make them because everyone takes things their own way as they watch during the middle of the storyline in question. They're keen and surely they'll pick up on the details/reasoning/etc as the storyline works its way through the season. @@suddenimpulse030

[@rnkelly36]

@@suddenimpulse030 Its their urge to create a narrative they want and then not liking how it is currently going until it comes together and they can make the connections. Personally I think that streaming has really hurt normal storytelling. People want the picture of the whole story before the story is ever told.

[@Pr1zzm]

I just wish the larger Laconia story arc that this starts could have been fully concluded in the show.

[@eds1942]

Holden has been feeling like Proto- molecule Miller has been using him. And now Miller seems to be turning on switches regardless of the dangers to the colony. So Holden fired on the megalith. It’s within his character.

[@mmattson8947]

Holden also blew up the Marasmus (the medical ship outside of Eros) in Season 2. Even though that crew thought they were doing the right thing, their actions would have done a lot more damage, and there wasn't time to fix their misconceptions. The megalith was going to hit the colony if it wasn't stopped. Wasn't like Holden was going missile-happy because he was bored. I don't understand what Clarus thought was a reasonable alternative for Holden to do.

[@eds1942]

@@mmattson8947 What I think she got from season 3, and how that conflicted with what Holden did here is that; in season 3, Holden said that the Ring Hub was responding to their aggressiveness, with deadly force, and now here Holden chose to take aggressive action against the Megalith, which seems backwards. But that’s thing. In the Ring Space, the Hub was only reacting our aggressiveness. Whereas here, whatever Miller’s doing is threatening us humans. Holden is concerned about everybody. So he’ll do whatever to minimize the human cost, even if it means looking and sounding like fool, doing foolish things. So Holden is being Holden.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

proto-Moller

[@Armin-ry9rm]

Exactly, Holden blew it up because the settlement was in danger. His priority was to make sure the protomolecule does not spread.

[@pmhwoodcraft9934]

I agreed with Clarus. I’ve always considered this to be a dumb move by Holden given his experience with the PM. Keep this in mind with what happens now and in subsequent seasons. As plot movement, I can understand it, but it just seems diametrically opposed to what he learned previously. In the heat of the moment though, I can understand his behavior. As an outside observer from the comfort of my couch…dumb.

[@garethlawton5278]

Holden firing the missile does make sense. His mission there is to destroy the proto molecule, he was given this task by Krisjen. He gave Miller the chance and time to come explain what the PM was doing and he didn't show.

[@obelisk21]

I think that years of poorly written television has left many of us skeptical when it comes to plotlines. I have said this before but trust the writers of this show... just like in season one when a story about a rich girl being sent home to her family, smuggled Martian stealth tech, and an ice hauler being blown up seemed to have nothing related to each other; the writers eventually wove these threads into a very good tapestry. Allow them to do the same now and you will not be disappointed.

[@quiett6191]

Seriously, this show's writing was such a breath of fresh air when I first watched it. The Expanse's writing team may have been one of the best of its time, they consistently turned out such great stuff.

[@rowaystarco]

Yeah, there's events in S1 that connects to S4 and S5. Stuff I really didn't think about before rewatching S1 later on.

[@anon_234]

FYI, in the book version of the story, Miller's partner from the first season (the guy that was impaled) shows up as a contract security guard for the ship Murtry arrived on.

[@internaut4257]

i liked havelocks interactions with naomi in this part of the book

[@0ctav1uz]

​@@internaut4257still haven't read the books (for shame) but I think not bringing back Havelock was an error, we know and like him, which would make the situation more complex when he's a bad guy

[@CurseMyMetalHand]

@@0ctav1uz he wasn't a bad guy and if I remember correctly in the book he's not planetside for most of it. Murtry is still the antagonist.

[@zolahVR]

@@0ctav1uz He flees to the Rocinante in the books, he ends up siding with them.

[@gravshark]

The actor was busy during S4 filming and could not participate@@0ctav1uz

[@frozenparadise1003]

As usual, Klaroos is way more on point in the post episode discussion and Nerdy seems lost, confused, or has weird takes on things as per usual. Just like with the airlock door in the clarissa and anna.

[@kendalldesouza4595]

I feel like Nerdy is just more interested in the structure of stories than the actual stories themselves. Not necessarily a bad thing but it can be frustrating when he gets so hung up on details he just dismisses the plot

[@JJSmith1981]

This is one of my favourite episodes of the whole series. At the beginning of the episode Scotty asks Murtry, 'You going to kill us all?'. At the end Murtry replies. 'I hope that answers your question.' It took me, as an audience member, just a couple of seconds to link these lines up. It was something of a cognitive dissidence, to say the least. They take a whole episode to set up those two lines with what, I think, is incredible impact through the brutal simplicity of the characters behaviour and the delivery. This episode also has what I think is the out-right coldest Amos line of the whole show. 'How about now? I'm free right now.' Delivered with such straight forward calm. Murtry is someone who puts people in a state of discomfort and he is used to a certain state of emotion in those he is dealing with. However, Amos knows it is going to happen so why wait? May be because Holden does not like it if you kill people without talking it through first. However, I think you correctly guessed that, as soon as Murtry is an unacceptable problem... Also I would remind everyone that while Bobby specified no weapons, anything used correctly can be a weapon.

[@huro1845]

Oh, I never made the connection between those lines. Thanks!

[@jasonnielsen9683]

This season is the wild west storyline. No civilization, no rules, just violence.

[@Brendissimo1]

The "diplomatic person" did indeed die. He was the captain of the RCE ship in orbit and leader of the whole science/mineral survey expedition, the Irish guy Murtry is talking to in the S4E1, who dies in the crash. With the captain dead, Murtry (head of security) is left in charge.

[@natureboy95]

Being in a planet as opposed to a spaceship or station definitely gives this season a much more grounded feel. As others have mentioned it has a Wild West vibe too, lots of showdowns and sudden action on Illus. The other plot lines do have a decently large effect on the main plot moving on and are worth focusing on!

[@mjbull5156]

Most of the RCE surface science team was killed in the crash. Murtry's people are the security contingent and they kind of lost their primary mission because of the people killed in the crash. So they are angry and bored.

[@thomashiggins9320]

I'm pretty sure the Rocinante would fit in the shuttle bay of the Enterprise-D. 😀 No, Miller didn't show up -- which is why Holden chose to fire on the artifact. He was out of options, and there's no way he could clear the settlement in time.

[@xxklesx1]

The show kind of begins with the Roci in the loading bay of a battleship :D

[@LeeCarlson]

All of the exteriors for Illus/New Terra were actually shot in a quarry near Toronto.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Eh, “near” is relative, I suppose, but it is quite a drive from Toronto. I’m not sure if its exact location has been revealed, so it won’t be mentioned here.

[@mmattson8947]

If TheCinemaholic article is accurate, then: - Illus was shot at an active quarry an hour and a half from Toronto - Earth was downtown Toronto - Mars was Pinewood Studios

[@billross7245]

I was hoping that they'd get a boost from Bezos to help make the quarry look more extra-terrestrial with some of the exotic animal life that was described in the book, but unfortunately it looks like a desolate quarry after all. There was apparently no additional funding from Amazon for the production.

[@Weaseldog2001]

Murtry is in public relations, just like Amos. :)

[@samanthaa.6055]

I think you're both right about the violence in this season. This storyline I think is meant to show how human nature can impede progress, and how it takes the best of humanity to overcome that. Many people see Murtry's character as a big bad mustache twirling villian in the books and the show, but I think in the books we see a nice juxtaposition of how he behaves with his people (stern, but almost kind) vs. the Belters he's "protecting" them from. He thinks he's doing the right thing. He and Amos are really cut from the same cloth, Amos just has a better guiding star in James Holden.

[@katemoon1594]

I think Bobbie makes a fair point stating that she is not a criminal. I understand what you are saying, that Mars would see her past actions as crimes against their authority. But in her eyes, her acts of insubordination I would say, were done to fight against the already criminal acts being perpetrated by Mars. (Like lying & covering up the intentionally covert operation on Ganymede). She has never set out to do anything illegal or harmful, like theft of technology. This is the first time she has let something like that happen knowingly.

[@defconclown]

I wish the Rocinante crew ever really brought up how there is evidence that the belter settlers killed TWENTY-THREE people and how maybe, just maybe, the belters might not be the good guys here.

[@MattNolanCustom]

"The belters" on Ilus are not all of the same mind or motives. "The inners" on New Terra are not all of the same mind and motives either. Good guys and bad on both "sides".

[@axl1002]

The show is kinda woke, that's why it went broke...

[@shawnloging8649]

I think one thing that might help is that book four and in some ways, season 4, is the start of another trilogy for the story. Books 1-3, 4-6 and 7-9 have arcs that are more connected to each other as part of a larger series.

[@Icypenguigo]

The violence of this season does take on a darker tone, I feel. Throughout the show so far, all the violent acts usually have some kind of understandable motive. Belters' hatred of Inners, Inners' disregard for the lives of Belters. Corporate scumbags sacrificing lives for their bottom line. Misguided and desperate people killing in the name of what they think is right. Here's the big difference in this season: Murtry. Murtry is a straight-up psychopath. He maintains a veneer of legitimacy and uses excuses like "I'm just doing my job" or "I'm just protecting my people". But the truth is, he gets off on the violence. He uses unnecessarily brutal tactics and kills preemptively in situations where anyone reasonable wouldn't immediately jump to the murder option. He escalates violent situations and then uses it as a justification to escalate his own violent actions. So yeah, the violence in this season is harsher, because we are dealing with a literal dead-eyed, heartless man who has a constant murder boner. At least the Protogen employees had their empathy surgically removed. Murtry has no such excuse.

[@y00t00b3r]

The fourth season gets better after the 3rd viewing. It's a glorious slow burn. It's just lovely when you already know what's coming.

[@huro1845]

I already liked it the first time around, and loved it after the 2nd viewing. 😊

[@mndrew1]

....because Picard IS the very model of the modern major general.

[@davidgast3175]

The one thing to remember about Holden-Miller is the bit at the end of last season where he talks about feeling used by Miller and the Protomolecule

[@GuardianOwl]

Everyone thinks when there is a new open frontier, a chance for a fresh start, that things will be different, but it never is. As long as people are involved you will see the best and worst in humanity. As Holden said at the end of S3, “it will be a blood-soaked gold rush.”

[@gork8468]

There's nothing in this season any darker than the non-Belter survivors of Ganymede being spaced, and nobody doing a thing about it when Prax reported it because there were more important things to do.

[@hoos3014]

Nerdy: This season has been so dark through E3. Us: 😬

[@DadJokeSamurai]

Nice job catching what Bobbie was stealing. There is a lot of information in the background on this show, a ton of attention was paid to the details, and you can catch a lot by paying attention to what is on screens or written on things. Almost every reactor I've seen hasn't noticed what she was taking or even considered why it was being taken. This is a show that rewards the attention you invest in it.

[@abenthur7306]

wait what did she take and why?

[@DadJokeSamurai]

​​@@abenthur7306 Well, she herself didn't take it, more what she was facilitating the theft of, and I can't really tell why it's important without spoiling future plot lines. Suffice it to say, very little appears on the screen in this show that isn't important. But what was being stolen was Martian Military encoded tightbeam equipment.

[@UserName-vb4lg]

25:28 remember back in season 1. Lots of talk about how the belters were there because companies had basically built company towns to mine the asteroids. That’s what’s happening here. Companies bought mining rights and sent scientists out with private security. We see it all the time in our world today. Remember the scandal around Chaney and his ownership in private security companies? Black water? All those scandals about private security from American companies in the Middle East? This whole season is a conversation about a type of business that’s legal but super corrupt and shouldn’t be but it absolutely happens right now.

[@moe.eleryan]

The Ilus scenes were filmed in a quarry outside of Toronto.

[@tastyneck]

Bobbi in casual, space Lululemon wear is such a mood. lmao

[@remliqa]

20:05 Umm.. No innocent people was shot in this episode. Remember those guys were planning to attack Earthers, Murthy simply got to them first . There was also the implication that they might have something to do with the shuttle' destruction based on that the dead Belter's conversation with Dr Lucia. Murthy was right in calling them Belter Terrorist.

[@garethlawton5278]

PLANNING is the major key word there. You don't hand out death sentences for plotting a murder. Those belters clearly were guilty of planning an attack but that doesn't warrant the death sentence. That's not how a justice system in a civilisation works. That's how dictatorship and authoritarianism works. Your profile picture and view on the Belters and their oppression make zero sense. Your morals are easily changed when it's fiction.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

Interesting take but there’s a conversation to be had about intent to capture versus intent to kill. If stopping an attack does not require slaughter but you slaughter those involved anyway, then are you really doing the right thing? ___ * That’s a rhetorical question. I’m not looking to get into an extended discussion about Murray which may veer into spoiler territory.

[@remliqa]

@@AngeloBarovierSDNo one is saying Murthry was right in taking matters into his own hands . It's just the people he killed in this episode weren't innocent civilians.

[@ikeettgaming]

As of 2018 all US medical school graduates made some form of public oath but none used the original Hippocratic Oath. they couldn't with your healthcare system you supose to help at all cost not take advantage of your patient :)

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

The surviving RCE exploration team are out, y’know, exploring and stuff. Poking rocks, smelling dirt, pointing beeping and booping devices at things. The usual. Our two doctors (Dr. Elvi Okoye and Dr. Lucia Mazur) are based in their neighbouring camps. So, we’re bound to see more of them with Amos as the primary POV character “in town” and Holden and Alex doing Holden things. The rest of the Belters are operating the mine, repairing their camp, drinking rocket fuel, or plotting the untimely demise of the RCE goon squad. Well, they _were_ anyway. The Belters of Ilus are frontier people. The RCE contingent are acting on the official land claim. And the Roci crew are the Federal Marshals trying to keep the peace. HTTH!

[@scottwatrous]

I agree that Holden's actions at the end of the episode don't make a lot of sense, and they feel out of character. But I kindof see why he might make the call he does. I don't think he talks to Miller here, he just gets frustrated by how the situations has unfolded and Miller has gone missing and unlike when they were in the Slow Zone, on this planet the big spinning tooth thing is already a direct threat to Naomi and Alex and the rest, and he has no real immediate alternative to try and stop it. So I think he figures if he does the wrong thing by blowing it up (or it does nothing) then at least it might bait out Miller as you guys suggested.

[@scottlescard6154]

FYI the Ilus scene's were shot in a quarry north of Toronto.

[@Ryuu44]

Last season they had to show they're not a threat because the station was super powerful and had the ability to explode our solar system. Protomolecule and proto-based technology is still considered dangerous and they used a torpedo just like they'd use one if that was a protomolecule hybrid soldier running towards the camp/colony. :)

[@hypertwink]

I wasn’t into the 4th season so much but I was so happy that they got renewed that I didn’t really care.

[@TheDoctor2nd]

1:46 Amos: "Can I please shoot Morty, I've been VERY good this week!"

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Amos and Santa must have had some interesting conversations.

[@TheDoctor2nd]

@@Justanotherconsumer Was actually more of a Lower Decks reference, but I like your thinking. 😝

[@NewAeonWarlord]

one small detail because I've heard you say "different galaxies" in like 2 episodes in a row now: Nothing in this show happens in another galaxy. The ring gates lead to different SOLAR SYSTEMS in the same galaxy.

[@MattNolanCustom]

They are so many episodes ahead that your comments aren't going to change what they say for a while

[@NewAeonWarlord]

@MattNolanCustom I'm aware, just wanted to say it anyways. I'm not gonna obsess and get angrier over the next episodes about this ;)

[@helenathedreamer7766]

You should go back to the first ep and listen what RCE people are saying on the way down. They are there to take the lithium rights for their company.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

*RCE

[@mattdrahos2662]

I just can't wait for every moment of your reactions to this show. You will re watch The Expanse, after it is done. This show gives off emotional energy and this episode is a good example of putting you in a dark place- Avasarala is playing dirty pool, Bobby is becoming a criminal, the Roci crew is trying to deal with a P-planet that is doing things, while Morty is trying to get the belters out, Naomi is not capable of living in gravity. To mix metaphors, trust the force and buckle up. When I first watched these first three episodes (maybe they released them that way) I was a little put off, it felt so different. But this is The Expanse...

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

So, the earthers may have better equipment, so they don’t need to be as occupied doing things, but also, it may be belter mentality that if you have done everything you need to do, then you spend more time doing maintenance and checking things.

[@kirkdarling4120]

'Cause stuff in space does often break just for winks and giggles.

[@PsychoMuffinSDM]

@@kirkdarling4120 I mean, you gotta make sure you replace those compression coils when you are supposed to.

[@kirkdarling4120]

@@PsychoMuffinSDM Also the catalyzer. If that goes out, you're screwed.

[@Markus117d]

There's a big difference between taking over someone else's land & settling somewhere uninhabited... Both are colonisation. But the contexts are dissimilar..

[@abosaurus]

I think the military forces main mission was to get the belters to leave the planet. That’s how I’ve always seen it at least

[@mrichmon]

There’s an underlying point in the bleakness. It would be easy to assume that all the solar system needs is more space and then everyone will have room to build a life. Maybe that is true in the long term. But in the immediate aftermath of opening the ring gates, the first impact is that all of the current “stability” starts collapsing in different ways.

[@NigelSmith72]

Trust the writers; this is "The Expanse" ;)

[@LokiLaughs2]

This episode is heavy, like the effect of a planet's full gravity on Naomi's heart.

[@Johury]

Tonight’s accidental discovery, Clarus is a lot more understandable than Nerdy when speaking in double speed.

[@ravenward626]

@02:07 The answer to why Murtree was sent lies with who sent him. That would be the company who claims ownership of the planet. He probably cam across as a real go-geter who would prioritize their investment accordingly.

[@Luzarioth]

In Murtrys defense, what the show is not... showing... is that the Belters didnt stop. They where luring out and murding his staff the entire time up to this point. Also we havent seen INNOCENT People being Shot this Season (on new Terra), what we have seen are Murders and Terrorists being shot.

[@mjbull5156]

I am not sure the show set up very well that Murtry's continued hostility towards the Belter settlers is not unjustified. It seemed that they were making him pure black hat, even if his antagonists are grey.

[@MattNolanCustom]

Book plots and show plots are not the same. Be careful not to allow one to influence your following of the other too much.

[@Luzarioth]

@@MattNolanCustom It is in this case, as the show Murtrys response to something, without that something being shown, blowing his response massively out of proportion.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@Luzarioth as I said, be careful not to let the details of book plots influence how you view the show plots. They are not exactly the same. You can't claim that show Murtry is doing something in the show as a result of something that happened in the books but not the show.

[@bruney74]

Things being darker... Avoiding spoilers. Fred Johnson's intro was bleak. Prax's friend was quite mistreated. Ganymede overall. The team is in pieces, dealing with very different issues. Avasarala election, Bobby with the future of Mars, Naomi with acclimatization, Holden with miller, Amos with Mortry. So it is personal because the conflicts are more personal... They split the party.

[@redd8505]

This season is the California Gold Rush. Staking claim to resources and setting up the next 2 seasons. Keep an eye on the Belters on Mars later.

[@nottopcat5956]

Don’t see this as any darker than the other seasons. None of this is worse than when the Ganymede refugee ship spaced all the inners onboard. Maybe something in the idea that the plot is being driven by the darkness in this season, while it was more flavour previously?

[@LeeCarlson]

Also, recognize that Bobbie said she would not provide access to weaponry, though tight-beam coding hardware is much less problematic.

[@LeeCarlson]

Holden realized that he could not trust Miller and (as usual) took unilateral action to protect the settlement.

[@mjbull5156]

There is a realization by Holden to be skeptical about how much of Miller is in The Investigator.

[@UserName-vb4lg]

8:20 if you’re interested in the question of colonialism and if we’d do better now I HIGHLY recommend the book The Sparrow by Mary Doria Russell. It’s one of those books I still think about decades after reading. Really worth a go.

[@KevinLyda]

One thing to consider is that the genre of the book this is drawn from is that of a Western. And Westerns are kinda bleak and dark. I mean, sure, horsies and olde timey music, but still the situations get pretty bleak till they lead to the two men drawing down on each other on Main Street at high noon to solve the problem. Now obviously this is the expanse, so it might be a man and a protomolocule creature or a mechbot drawing down on each other with rockets in a spacecraft. And Main Street might be a wormhole or an Ancient Structure. But again, things need to get pretty bleak to get to that point.

[@garethneller8239]

Good reaction as always😊 The spinny alien artifact was heading towards the settlement, and he feels betrayed/used by proto-miller. Every time he does what Miller says bad shit seems to happen. S4 is a bit if a reset and has a lot of background/build up for the last 2 seasons

[@huro1845]

True. Books 1-3, 4-6, and 7-9 have an overarching story within the whole storyline of the whole series.

[@LeeCarlson]

A combination of budget and screen time does not show that Elvi has a couple of assistants and in the book, Fayyad is on the surface with them rather than on the ship. And we don't see any of the Belters (other than Lucia's family) doing much of anything.

[@shortdrink873]

Amos definitely knows what he’s doing (but for VERY dark reasons).

[@Metro498]

When did you record this video? Nerdy, if you want to enjoy the show, don’t be a critic. Just be a fan and enjoy it. Clarus gets it. Enjoy!

[@richb313]

You find out this season someone who has been hinted about since episode one.

[@Ryuu44]

You were right that Morty wasn't supposed to be in charge. He was the head of security. However, this also means you were wrong, because chief of security isn't a scientist. :) Win some, loose some I guess.

[@internaut4257]

Just trust the writers nerdy, just trust em

[@bligemonk2283]

I've lived in the US all my life, and I dont remember how many feet, yards etc that are in a mile...

[@kirkdarling4120]

The _milia passuum_ is pretty close to the same it's been for 2000 years: 1000 military paces. I like klicks, but I can function with either.

[@crissyb65]

A mile is between 17 and 18 football fields.

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

But how many pickup trucks is a football field?

[@crissyb65]

@@AngeloBarovierSD too many variables. Are we talking short bed, regular, or long bed? Two door, extended cab, or six pack? Are there hitches attached like the ones I crack my shins on every freakin’ time? Then are they super duties?

[@AngeloBarovierSD]

@@crissyb65 Four door, crew cab, extended bed, no hitch mounted is the American standard PTU (Pickup Truck Unit). Hello! Also, have you tried mounting the hitch ball-down when not in active use? If you have the raised hitch, it’s a big change to invert it. That way you never forget it, the well doesn’t get dirtied up with weather or gunk, and it hits lower on the leg. Depending on your height, the lower impact should make the shin strikes less painful. (Unless you don’t have the rounded edges on the shaft. Then the owie is just as owie. But get a metalworker to drop and shape some edge dollops!)

[@SoshiMECH]

If you thought this season was dark just wait till you get to season 5.

[@bajasmancer]

Now that's a spinoff idea! The expanse goes to college!

[@KylaTalks]

This is one of my least favorite seasons but it sets you up for one of the best seasons of the show. I think you'll officially meet one of the most interesting characters next episode. - Also "The One Eyed Man" is a pretty great episode from this season. - Btw, as I'm sure you know by now... everything happening with Bobbi is super relevant to the overall plot.

[@theauthormarksimmons3065]

Didn't Prax's work colleague get spaced with a whole bunch of other earthers? All innocents.

[@MattNolanCustom]

Earthers and Martians

[@theauthormarksimmons3065]

Indeed. None Belters@@MattNolanCustom

[@martensjd]

Picard and Amos would be BFFs.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

This will serve as the official notification from the United Nations Ministry of Supply. The promised ponies have been requisitioned and should arrive starting within the next few months. A lottery system will be set up to ensure fair distribution of the limited supply. The other promised item is not rationed and are readily available, but the distribution system is being challenged by the Mormons due to concerns that this is not a suitable thing for the UN to provide to children.

[@torisedai4929]

Something you may have missed = Murtry & crew represent a mega corporation that has been granted (by Earth) the right to mine the natural resources. From their perspective the planet (they call New Terra and not Ilis) is theirs and the Belters are squatters and thieves (stealing the resources). Their intention all along was to evict them from the planet. At the end of the season, Murtry will talk about a bonus he’ll receive if successful. Typical colonization behaviour, claiming land that’s not theirs. I mean… if they’d been willing to share the planet, they could have landed (safe from a blown up landing pad, I should add) and set up shop on the other side of the planet. But there’s no Expancse story in that 😉

[@MattNolanCustom]

I know they are many episodes ahead, but this is getting into spoiler territory. Not a good habit.

[@labamboos]

Look forward to this react every week! Good catch with Elvie (scientist) being the only productive one from her team. They rewrote Fayez (another scientist from her crew) out of the ground crew. Think he may still be on the ship. Probably wanted to give Naomi more to do on the ground, coz I don’t think she gets on the camp in the books.

[@MattNolanCustom]

Fayez was sitting next to Elvi on the shuttle before the crash and went back to orbit. He's the one in orbit she's speaking to about the earthquake, etc. RCE lost lots of people and lots of equipment. Most of the planned surveying and science cannot be done.

[@labamboos]

@@MattNolanCustom oh yes, you are right. He didn’t stay.

[@johannesbowers7467]

Murtry is what happens in Star Trek when the redshirts are the ones who don't die....

[@gadfly149]

Ah, Nerdy. Strap in for the intensity. The trick this show pulls off is that it portrays each character as multifaceted. Murtry is awful, but you can see how he has reasons for what he does. Remember that many of the drop ship crew died in the bombing. I am NOT defending him, now! I mean that in the sense of how everyone, even a villain, is the hero of their own story. Think Murtry in the way you saw corporate cruelty in Blue Beetle.

[@ThePrimeVictor]

I know you're way ahead of filming but there's some things the show doesn't put in to the right perspective for book 4/season 4. On Illus the majority of the scientists were sent back up to their main ship in orbit for safety, what was destroyed was just a shuttlecraft. Murtry and the people down on the surface are a private security force hired for the scientists. The Bobbie plotline is important for the overall trilogy that is book/season 4,5, and 6 and in season 4 specifically is more about the downfall of mars.

[@MattNolanCustom]

Apart from your final sentence, which will become more clear later, everything that you said isn't put in the right perspective was pretty apparent to me and a good few reaction channels I've watched.

[@f0rth3l0v30fchr15t]

9:45 Nope, the disaster is going to come to Holden this time.

[@remliqa]

Oh, Bobbie's plot line will have a huge impact on the main plot. Unfortunately revealing what that part is would be too spoilery.

[@remliqa]

26:53 It's hard to do surveys when you can't guarantee that the Belters won't shank you in your back every time you squat to collects samples. The book did a better job in explaining tha they have been attacks by Belters on RCE personnels following their planetfall.

[@MattNolanCustom]

Be careful. Book and TV plots are not always the same thing.

[@remliqa]

@@MattNolanCustom The Belters threat is also presents in the show. It is more extreme in the book but that element is still there in the show.

[@MattNolanCustom]

​@@remliqa yes, but nobody has been attacked since planetfall in the show so far except belters by Murtry. And not just attacked but killed. That's quite a difference

[@remliqa]

@@MattNolanCustom Except for the 20 people who died when their shuttle was attacked.

[@MattNolanCustom]

@@remliqa you said following the RCE's landfall. Those 23 died before landfall. Point is Murtry has no hard evidence regarding what happened or who did it. He's killed people based on circumstantial evidence and assumptions. That's neither moral nor legal. The TV show is playing out slightly differently and with different angles than the books.

[@LeeCarlson]

Murtry represents the unfortunate fact that there will always be racists and we have to learn to get along despite them.

[@mjbull5156]

I am not sure I would classify Murtry as a racist per se, but we have not really looked yet inside his head to see what his malfunction is.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@mjbull5156, Murtry lumps all of the Belter settlers together in his disdain/dismissal of their primacy of settlement feeling that since RCE has a charter from the UN (and MCR) they are the only "legal" settlers on "New Terra."

[@mjbull5156]

@LeeCarlson Murtry is not wrong about the legal status of the Belter settlement, and if he is wrong in that, then the UN, Martian and Belter authorities attempt to peacefully divide the access to the gate world's. He also has good reasons to distrust the settlers and little good reason to distinguish between them. Otherwise, Murtry is not a good man, but I think Murtry's moral flaws are greater than mere racism.

[@LeeCarlson]

@@mjbull5156, Murtry has several flaws, not the least of which is the one Amos recognized. However, there is no such thing as "mere racism," and Murtry's assumption that all Belters are criminals and therefore he is validated in killing them and engaging in what would be called on Earth "illegal wire-tapping" (though he's just using a snooper-mike and not actual wires).

[@chozilla]

The Books are very different. Just saying. Same quality but different. The authors did a great job to translate events to the TV screen.

[@DaxRaider]

they did plan to kill murty so hes kinda in the right there xD he just killed the murderers midway planning his murder xD

[@GameMasterToolbox]

Season 4 and book 4 (the book this season is based on) is known as the slog. It drags so much.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

That which does not Ilus makes us stronger.

[@crescentmethod]

At least season 4 shows us what is going on with earth and Mars during the ilus excursion

[@akashdeepganguly5853]

Bro seriously, if you haven’t already, watch Star Trek strange new worlds. Stream it too cause we’d love to watch you watch it lol

[@LeeCarlson]

Measuring a mile is very easy. It is 1000 Roman paces (which works out to 5280 feet). Based on things humans can directly access rather than a portion of the distance between the Earth's equator and North Pole, or the wavelength of a specific noble gas.

[@spacechampi0n]

We just got to find a Roman!

[@mjbull5156]

Metric units are a result of trying to be OCD level "scientific". They are excellent for doing scientific and engineering calculations, but what they are based on is rather inhuman. It rather easy to get approximate measures for Imperial units of length off of your own body. Trying to visualize what a meter is actually based on is not helpful to figuring out what that length (and therefore the length of a kilometer) actually is if you have never seen a meter stick.

[@jamesholland5761]

Great reaction! Looking forward to the next one!

[@davidbergfors6820]

can't imagine the Belter universities having 0G parties... they are worse than 3rd world countries when it comes to resources. but hey, I haven't been to a frat party either. to call them dirt poor would be inaccurate, since they don't even have dirt... Google says Ilus (the planet) was a quarry 1,5h outside Toronto, and that they barely had to use any CGI.

[@mrphusion7505]

Morby was originally sent as the head of security, and Jay Hernandez (Dmitri Havelock from Season 1) was his #2 up on the ship. In the books Havelock eventually realizes Murky's off the rails and kinda low key switches sides. I do like that most of the women in the show are very strong. And they don't call attention to it because it's "normal" in this future...you just sort of realize it later on. A lot more surprises this season.

[@Ryuu44]

The problem with colonialism in our world comes from the fact that we build our colonies on other people's shit. This is the source of ethical concerns around colonialism. In The Expanse they're colonizing planets without any inteligent life already living there. This type of colonialism isn't perfect either, but here it's because of general problems with capitalism, so it's just as ethical or not as how Earth, Mars and the Belt are being ran now.

[@DaxRaider]

star trek is 5 year missins not 4

[@helenathedreamer7766]

This particular season especially IS about colonialism and discussion on “discovery” of new land. The earth scientist ship is literally named Edward “Israel” and Matury is trying to take the land/planet/resources the refugees who were there first and are currently living in. It’s so poignant given the current situation in Middle East..

[@MattNolanCustom]

Edward Israel was an astronomer and polar explorer. He died on an ill-fated expedition to the Arctic. The leader of the expedition was called Adolphus Greely. Here we have the de facto leader of the RCE expedition after the original leader was killed in the shuttle crash, Adolphus Murtry. Pretty much all the ship names in the Expanse are historical or literary references. Though, we often see dual or multiple meanings with episode titles, so there may ba a multiple meaning in the ship name too. Current situation certainly makes it more salient.

[@helenathedreamer7766]

Yeah I understand it wasnt intended to refer to Israel situation per se but now I look back I suspect there was a double meaning… maybe a coincidence but could have been intentional given how thoughtful the writers are.

[@anonymouslyopinionated656]

It's one of the least "fun" seasons. It's a good season, but definitely far from the most fun.

[@hoos3014]

Nerdy: This season has been so dark through E3. Us: 😬 Only two of the scientists are important to the story. There's no need for us to follow the rest of them.

[@jayallanbennett8483]

By this point the show was getting on my nerves. If you just read the books all your questions go away. We understand who RCA is and why they are there in the books in away that is just not explained in the show and Holden blowing up protomolucle tech whats that about? Not in the books and its weird because the writers of the books are in the writers room, i don't understand how that got through the script.

[@Mannchini]

The spinning thingy in the desert bugs me a little as in the book it's like some sort of mech so dropping a torpedo on it made a bit more sense. Also, according to Murtry's MO he is entirely justified. He just conducted a SWAT style raid on a terror cell that were planning to murder him and members of his team. As for RCE, they are the security contingent who were supposed to help back up the diplomatic side. Head diplomat died in the crash and Murtry was left in charge of the operation. There's a lot more science stuff in the book. You get entire chapters on Elvi's science brain. This was the first season I felt the book far outstripped. And as you mentioned, Bobbie's storyline is one of the Novellas but with some changes.

[@suddenimpulse030]

Colonialism? My brother in christ the planets are empty.

[@Justanotherconsumer]

Or… are they? It’s complicated.

[@MattNolanCustom]

This one wasn't empty. It was full of refugees who had nowhere else to go.

[@sulijoo]

Do you think you'd even be reacting to KZbin videos without colonialism and all it produced? Exploration is not the same as colonialism and one does not necessarily follow from the other. Also, this "dialogue" about colonialism is just a cover for anti-white racism, since it conveniently downplays other empires and their effect in the world, including the Moors, the Ottomans, the Monguls and others. We are all the product of colonialism, we were all slaves once. It is neither right or wrong, it just is.

[@blackgirlcouchreviews]

I hope you guys read the books I will be intrigued on your perspective. I know all your feelings will resolve themselves so I learned myself season three to trust the writers. They more than any other in television know wtf their doing 😊