MUSASHI MIYAMOTO VS KUROKI GENSAI | HOW STRONG ARE THEY

[@mysteriousweeb]

I have a little concern about what to include in my vs battle video's. In the past I've made them pretty short by assuming people had knowledge of alot of the things I talk about in regards to the series. More recently, I tried going into great detail with a breakdown of most things involved, even if its not 100% relevant to the vs battle topic. Which of these do you guys prefer? Also on this topic, I find that I might need to repeat myself for certain explanations that I may have done in the past. Should I direct the content towards the other video, or go over the explanation again if needed?

[@dmon6447]

@mysteriousweeb I enjoy the longer explanations, they make for longer videos. There's new kengan and baki fans everyday so I'm sure they apperciate the extra detail.

[@dmon6447]

@mysteriousweeb Especially in verse battles I think it's important to go over feats and bring up things over and over again to show the scaling. The longer explanations really show how much research you did for the vid.

[@Yhnxkt]

I definitely like the longer videos where more information is explain

[@Scwolly]

I much prefer the longer videos, keep up the great work and grind! 💪

[@namelessvoid9725]

@mysteriousweeb Imo i give it to musashi when he was brought in it was established clearly that he was on yujiro's level and i think it could have gone either way. He even made yujiro sweat and say he couldn't afford to hold back as you know. And i don't think kuroki could beat yujiro.

[@josephjoestar3631]

I'd love to see Musashi imagination slash Kuroki and Kuroki blocks it in his mind. This would certainly happen in a crossverse setting

[@mysteriousweeb]

I feel like kuroki would deal with them like doppo did

[@luisdanielmirandagomez7582]

@@mysteriousweeb with the same results :3

[@-Verycardhock]

Musashi slashing yujiro and the whole event happened in .000.. is a better feat and statment than anything kuroki has ever shown. Add musashis adapaptability Musashi wins 10/10. Kuroki is more comparable to doppo or katsumi

[@passive-brawlstars]

we know bro its just fun to give them equal stats and see who comes out on top

[@villain9482]

Doppo would get slapped into oblivion. We got Tokita absolutely casually blocking bullets as a short warm up. and that was a way weaker than the Ohma now. Kuroki is still way stronger. How is .000 a better feat?

[@predatorhunter3169]

@@villain9482maybe but seeing both karate masters interacting would be so fucking cool

[@passive-brawlstars]

@@villain9482 even if we dont use that feature from musashi katsumi is supersonic+ cause he created a sonic boom with his whip strike and biscuit takes shotgun bullets as a durabilty feat and baki beat biscuit and misashi beat baki

[@EyeOfMemes]

Not even them, he is losing to dorian kaioh

[@mrblue3879]

Waka didnt shake the arena he shook the WHOLE ISLAND Kuroki stomps

[@julelsonkelson8512]

Baki top tiers shake entire city blocks casually. That's nothing in the Baki verse. Even imaginary Yujiro causes everything to shake

[@haithammihawk8215]

I remember that scene when Tokugawa brought Musashi his old Katana and the Katana immediately unsheathed itself and welcomed Musashi... And Musashi said something like "is that how badly you missed me and wanted to return to my side !" In that moment i knew Musashi was a different monster to all the other characters in the verse

[@simply307]

Musashi would turn him into sushi

[@jonasfadi8213]

tell me you've never read baki without telling me you've never read baki. musashi turns the entire verse into sliced bread

[@booxcr]

⁠@@jonasfadi8213*most of the verse

[@Rey-eq4vq]

7:25 I don't think you're correct here. The way I understood it was that baki was used the cockroach dash, which musashi hadn't seen before to hit him despite the fact that musashi had the better brain reading ability. Once musashi had seen it, it didn't work again, lending credence again to the whole "you can't use the same move twice against a good fighter" rule.

[@justinhardy971]

1st I love you’re content Weeb keep it up much love my brother “You were too strong” 👊

[@mysteriousweeb]

Legend! can you also checkout the pinned comment, need some feedback on something

[@espada9000]

1:46 Kinda wild that he still call him number 2 considering we haven't really seen both Shen and Kuroki fought seriously against each other.

[@mysteriousweeb]

Shen has much better showings and better narrative that hes the strongest.

[@Bochnia1000]

I thinkf that serious Kuroki could defeat first boss battle phase against Shen but then on second phase loose

[@dmon6447]

Love seeing you go over the feats of the characters, great vid.

[@mysteriousweeb]

thanks man, can you checkout my pinned comment and give some feedback

[@20IA]

depends on their mode (so writers mood), musashi has been caught lackin before, motobe is the most popular but there are times like in baki's and hanayama fight with him too. Even getting kicked in the balls (but its yujiro, still a feat).

[@markomurisic1354]

Amazing video as usual this fight would be hype

[@Pastamist]

1:22 Y’know, I just realized and I apologize for the spam (as per a second comment- let’s hope it boosts your channel!), that the reactions of the characters getting low-diffed by Shen by actually indicate their overall powerscale in order. For example, Misasa is still on one knee, whereas everyone else is closer to the ground, insinuating he might be stronger despite being smaller.

[@ideenlos9242]

I still dont understand how Kuroki is an assassin. He doesnt seem very stealthy or anything, does he just walk up to someone and stab him with his hand ? At that point even I can do that with a knife. What makes him so good at assassinations ?

[@Yhnxkt]

An assassin is someone who kills another for pay or political reasons (got off google) so they don’t have to be stealthy

[@radhummingbird97]

I see it as Kuroki can take out any target he could be sent after

[@Fmppp03]

When you think about it, that kind of stereotypes where an assassin has to be stealthy is applicable only when the assassin themselves are low profile. Take spy x family for exp, Yor need to be stealthy to protect her identity from getting exposed to the public since she wanted to live normally with her family. I don't watch kengan ashura but I would assume most of the people in the verse know who Kuroki is and he himself is a renowned fighter so trying to hide his identity is useless.

[@Ludwink]

„Assassin“ not a fucking ninja wtf😂,

[@20IA]

he a killa. i guess.

[@rockysss5749]

Why we never see kuroki vs tiger niko, or rolong vs tiger niko or perhaps yujiro vs tiger niko 😁

[@tidal3153]

I never realised what a fun match this would be

[@xaviercoleman9852]

Hmmm for Yujiro to face connector I’d have to see the actual fight of him versus kuroki then I can make an informed decision

[@2Bros-OVO]

Depends on how Musashi would view his opponents intent.

[@TheBigIronOnMyHip]

Till i see Kuroki punching an earthquake, breaking bulletproof windows with his imagination and aura or killing a 100 tons huge mammoth like elephants, then he might get a chance against the Ogre.

[@Pastamist]

One of the weakest fighters Yoshinari Karo hunts kaiju-sized sperm whales daily on his own, and Wakatsuki Takeshi, one of the stronger fighters, has blows that regularly register as earthquakes and has even shook a mountain. The Fang of Metsudo, Kanoh Agito, literally low-diffed this same man and given him a permanent injury in the form of a broken ankle, that STILL acts as a weakness in the story. Kuroki Gensai has defeated Kanoh Agito, admittedly with some difficulty, and I have no doubt he can beat people like Yoshinari Karo or Wakatsuki Takeshi. The standards you’ve asked for have already been addressed as feats.

[@espada9000]

0:36 First strongest in Kengan universe not second.

[@mysteriousweeb]

Incorrect

[@DarkapostlesASMR]

I think Shen Long is more comparable to Yujiro, but since he is not animated yet they went with Kuroki

[@JonathanRobert-jx2pi]

TO EARLY MUSASI NEG DIFFS

[@МаксКрысов-р4ы]

Classic baki fanboy be like:

[@oo8s1]

⁠@@МаксКрысов-р4ыThe Baki vers is way stronger Cgi Fanboy

[@St.aymar29]

@@МаксКрысов-р4ы well he is right, Musashi kills the entire verse, if you don't agree let's just debate

[@GoofyAhhBeastDa]

Baki glazers are on another level I’ve seen both series and Baki meat riders absolutely underestimate the characters kuroki high diffs him

[@AdultSupervision.]

Sukuna: The pinnacle of perfection....

[@ninjawizdom]

I definitely believe that Musahi honed his swordsmanship so well he doesn't need one. No matter what though, it's simply an evolution of style and his swords will always be the end game for him. Someone had an interesting take on it. "Against Yujiro, Musashi used a special technique that he spent his entire life developing and never truly mastered. Yujiro was deemed the one and only opponent he could truly test it on." This technique was Only used on Yujiro. Also, he couldn't even cut Pickle without a sword.

[@Yallys8t]

Yo, atleast we first here, tho🔥

[@mysteriousweeb]

thanks for giving the video a watch. Can you checkout the pinned comment and give me some feedback

[@LincolnBurr-x1o]

How do you feel about musashi possibly being faster than yujiro ?

[@mysteriousweeb]

could be, but them being relative is more likely

[@LincolnBurr-x1o]

@@mysteriousweeb yeah strengthwise musashi is more comparable to doppo

[@joshuarivero5540]

Yo dope vid not too familiar with Kengan but I love Baki. Anybody know the song in the first two minutes? Thanks

[@rodbranbran]

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[@JoeInTheElement]

If Kuroki n Yujiro are being set up as rivals, then keeping in mind both narrative and power level, Musashi should be matched up with Fei Wangfang. - The Connector with Kaku Kaioh (ancient, Chinese Warriors who are UNNATURALLY old, and are considered the zenith of martial arts concept in their respective verses) - Yan with Retsu Kaioh (both Chinese masters who are young and outspoken, both are like doting waifus but beloved by the fans). - Xia Ji with Dorian. (use Chinese Kung-Fu as their base but have a basically non-existent warrior code to fight fair, and when cornered they bitch around) - Edward with Kehaya (powerful and arrogant, one-off antagonists who had some OP feats in the series, but were taken out unceremoniously)

[@St.aymar29]

Kengan and Baki is not in the same universe, Musashi kills the entire verse and it's not even up for a debate.

[@Leviathan1000]

Ok like the last one I gave it a watch and who do I think will win? Well remember the fight with doppo? It probably go like like. Some may disagree and that's fine. Here web you should do a crossover between comics vs manga.

[@d00msday83]

You should do lihito v Skirosky battle of the grips. Sorry if I butchered the names.

[@mysteriousweeb]

Haha, I did that video. A little old but here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jXXUeamef9yrmc0si=z_12NMR_90K8FGg0

[@MiyamotoMusashi-eu6qo]

This won't even be a fight

[@JohnKimble-bl9wv]

Yo weeb how would you feel about a character stronger than yujiro in baki does it fit or would it ruin the story

[@mysteriousweeb]

from everything the story has told us and setup over and over. It seems like it would ruin something

[@JohnKimble-bl9wv]

@@mysteriousweeb yeah i would rather have a character aside from jack and baki that can give yujiro a great fight and now that i think of it yujiro mentioned his seed id like to see another hanma

[@roywempor8395]

it's only fine for characters like baki and hack who have been training the whole story to beat him

[@JohnKimble-bl9wv]

@@roywempor8395 yeah

[@JohnKimble-bl9wv]

This may be as irrelevant as masteroogwgay but Am i wrong for liking the baki vs kengan crossover ?

[@mysteriousweeb]

no, most people did.

[@JohnKimble-bl9wv]

@@mysteriousweeb thanks but a lot of people criticized it complaining about powerscaling inconsistency i know that the baki cast is stronger but that makes for a shitty story

[@mysteriousweeb]

loud minority id say based on feedback on recent content covering everything about the crossover

[@cheesist6998]

Sure the jack fight got people pretty upset, me too, but it’s a crossover so it kinda had to happen (a different match up might’ve helped but eh whatever.) what I didn’t like of the crossover is that they re-used hanayamas animation for his fight like a couple times, that’s just lazy animation haha

[@thefirstprime0124]

I would like Wakasuki and Julius and Pickle be compared in strength id give it to wakasuki and Julius

[@mencobabahagia5858]

What about mysteriousweeb vs hacker is it close ?, I just want to know why you rename your channel with Microstrategy

[@TaylorZahnd]

Kuroki isn’t even in the top two strongest fighters in Kagan but Yujiro is. Keep in mind as well that Yujiro was at least slightly concerned that Masashi was able to cut into his neck so deeply. Anyone that’s capable of a feet like that means that, no offense to Kagan fans, but Kuroki would likely lose this fight

[@bradcooper5667]

This is an actual debate??? There’s no way…

[@chillvibez9186]

It’s just the creator is a Kegan fanboy. I’ve read both the Kengan manga and Baki and I can say musashi neg diffs kuroki

[@Unchained8358]

As strong as kuroki is, even he can't withstand musashi even without a blade in his hand . It's a low/midd diff win for the samurai

[@brown1winz655]

Kuroki has had his fingers broken. Musashi or Yujiro have never been injured like that. It's not close

[@judithestoesta1976]

can u talk abt motobe izou?

[@КалоянКалинов-н5ь]

Made a second video for Jack Hanma and Musashi Miyamoto who will win

[@mysteriousweeb]

I've done that

[@thomasmanase8482]

Determining a clear winner between Musashi Miyamoto and Kuroki Gensai is challenging due to their differing strengths and the lack of a direct crossover in their respective series. However, if we were to speculate based on their established abilities: 1. Musashi Miyamoto: - Advantages: Exceptional swordsmanship skills, including speed, reflexes, and the ability to adapt his techniques on the fly. Musashi has a history of defeating powerful opponents with his swordsmanship and has shown resilience and creativity in combat. - Challenges: Against a skilled hand-to-hand combatant like Kuroki Gensai, who specializes in close-quarters combat and has a strategic mindset, Musashi may face difficulties if the fight closes the distance quickly. 2. Kuroki Gensai: - Advantages: Mastery of the Kaiwan Style martial arts, which emphasizes adaptability, precise strikes, and defensive maneuvers. Kuroki is known for his ability to analyze opponents' techniques and exploit weaknesses, which could give him an edge in countering Musashi's swordsmanship. - Challenges: Dealing with Musashi's speed and unpredictable sword techniques could pose a significant challenge, especially in a scenario where Kuroki is forced to defend against lethal sword strikes. In a hypothetical match, the outcome would depend heavily on the circumstances of the fight-whether it's a controlled environment like the Kengan matches where Kuroki excels, or a more chaotic setting where Musashi's versatility with a sword could shine. If forced to speculate, Kuroki Gensai's analytical approach and adaptability might give him a slight edge, as he could potentially find ways to neutralize Musashi's sword techniques and exploit openings in his defense. However, due to the unpredictable nature of combat and the unique skills each character possesses, the actual outcome would be uncertain until they engage in battle within a defined narrative context.

[@Pastamist]

People so quick to disregard your argument because they forget that brute strength and speed was never the defining factor of victory in both Baki and Kengan.

[@uchihamephisto6381]

I'm sorry but did you say brute strength and speed was never the defining factor of victory in Kengan and Baki? Especially Baki? Are you.....what the hell sort of manga have you been reading? Da fuçk is the beating Pickle gave to Jack, da hell is Yujiros whole existence? Da hell is the three step knockout Baki gave to the Chinese mfer who ran up in thr arena. Da hell is Hanayama and his grip strength? Who are you trying to fool

[@MejodLejod]

Who said they nerf baki it was actually wrong bro in kengan ashura the anime is really following how they show their move like punch, kick, block, technique Clearly so we can see how they do it but in baki they rarely make it like that. I give an example, we can see ohma move how he swing block or grappling and other but in baki he like want to do a technique but piuu the technique already landed in baki face. I mean in baki we cannot see their technique clearly it was like time skip like a will slam b but the b already get slammed before we can't see how he do it.

[@joshuablount8681]

So is Akito not stronger than gensai?

[@darajabar93]

Bro you starting to make videos like King of Lightning where he tries to push the Sanji equals to Zoro agenda 😂

[@mysteriousweeb]

No, watch the video

[@EyeOfMemes]

Kuroki is even below the prisoners, kengan ashura characters are severely overwanked by multiple magnitudes taking often the most obnoxious interpretation. 1. Yanagi, the weakest prisoner was able to effortlessly destroy the glass that was said to be missile proof by creating a vaccum between his hands and the glass, he alone is almost large building level including his techniques and his tools. 2. Dorian Kaioh is one of the strongest sea kings of the chinese kenpo. He had to make a round giant rock, so he went off and made a cave in the mountain in a single night with bare hands. 3. Sikorsky is the contender for being the weakest prisoner but even he had good feats like neg diffing garland who in baki the grappler series manhandled a 15 year old hanayama who was able to destroy an armored car also the same garland shook the entire maximum tournament building in a single tackle to the wall. which pretty much explains him but he was unfortunately paired up with Biscuit Oliva and Jack Hanma. 4. Doyle's case was same as Sikorsky, he got paired up with retsu who neg diffed him. 5. However speck has shown feats real great. He broke out of an submarine, his punches split the statue of liberty, easily large building level feats. And he massively outscales yanagi so it's easy to assume he is much above large building level. So, kuroki < yanagi < sikorsky < doyle

[@chojinnppp]

Or, OR…Baki verse dogma is as exaggerated as the off-putting art style.

[@Gigachad-fq2rg]

Damn 💀​@@chojinnppp

[@EyeOfMemes]

​​@@chojinnppp at least there is no ugly CGI

[@МаксКрысов-р4ы]

1.He use technique to break its not strength, and it’s literally wall+ level at best Lmao 🤣 2.He literally break rocks really slow and be small pieces, while ohma in ashura not even in omega, destroy building size boulder just with basic attack, I don’t even talk about his strongest attack which shake mountain 3.Trash feats 4.Trash feats 5.Never show anything above wall+ level Just accept that you baki fanboy and it’s all 🦧

[@EyeOfMemes]

​​​​@@МаксКрысов-р4ы 1. still the technique holds enough ap to do the damage. 2. You know nothing about practical experience man, learn about tunnel drilling, it takes multiple months with best equipments to dug a single tunnel that too in a muddy mountain, rocky Mountains are much more difficult to build tunnel in, again your building level boulder's blatant lies and overexaggeration 3. dc 4. dc 5. Splitting the statue of liberty in half is wall level feat. Peak kengan ashura fanboy force right there.

[@luisdanielmirandagomez7582]

kuroki is may be my favorite martial artist in all anime, but theres no way in fcking hell he can beat mushashi,hes good but not legendary good

[@123arskas]

MUSASHI was too OP even for Bakiverse. He could've killed the fan favorite "Hanayama" too if it wasn't for Baki's interference.

[@chandraray7798]

I think musashi vs shen makes more sense.

[@TheUnknownneesses]

8:55 Russian.

[@floatingcloud94]

Bruh..something is wrong with ur account ..this is like the 5th time m subscribing …but everytime I go to KZbin and search for ur account its unsubscribed😢😢😢

[@mysteriousweeb]

@floatingcloud94 wow, so weird. Maybe try messing around with the notifications so youtube doesn't be toxic

[@floatingcloud94]

@@mysteriousweeb will do that 🙏🙏🙏your channel is my go to for Kengan n records of ragnorak as well as Baki 🙏🙏keep up the great work 🔥🔥🔥

[@Solomonsolo-bm2cv]

Miyamoto Masashi is top 3 in Baki only because Baki and Yujiro are the main characters no one can defeat them that is the anime about father vs Son who is taking the strongest man alive

[@mysteriousweeb]

The third manga is confirmed as the main conclusion of their story. We are on the 6th manga now

[@studiobaguette7781]

I will not accept that jack beat pickle cause for musashi it was hard

[@galaxyletsplay8530]

First

[@Bomb6A9Head]

musashi would one shot all, over

[@monke2736]

Is kuroki comparable to doppo orochi

[@mysteriousweeb]

again depends

[@JdeAcuario]

Yes, they are kinda the same level, maybe Kuroki will be ahead at the end of Omega if Doppo doesn't have new battles

[@МаксКрысов-р4ы]

@@JdeAcuariodoppo doesn’t have any feats even close to kuroki feats

[@buki7490]

Musashi slams bro

[@justinmcdonald2072]

I can't stand Musashi clone; his existence does not make sense other than a fever dream of the author to Baki. Because there would be a fight Musashi will lose it would be two killers that is his advantage, but that is all his martial arts is the sword Gensai has gone to modern battle fields with no weapons just his bare hands. Musashi was heavy with plot protection, none of his fights were fights all were exhibitions where he gave free shots never took any.

[@DULMIKE]

Iyoooooo

[@Oblivion-h2x]

Kuroki 2nd strongest 🤔🤔

[@LeftEyeGod]

Kuroki wins extreme diff

[@rawdog5506]

Musashi would crush Kuroki !!!!

[@floatingcloud94]

A fight to death with Pickle n I alwys stand my ground ..pickle will win against Yujiro ..if pickle is forced to fight to death without escaping cos he still has a primitive mind and if his food seems not worth the pain he runs away …pickle is stronger than Yujiro in physical strength , in stamina wise as well..Yujiro only killed modern beast and fought modern humans with skills and was only fighting imaginary dinosaur. Baki fighting imaginary Yujiro vs his fight with real Yujiro was so diff ..even Yujiro made fun of Baki fighting an imaginary mantis 😂😂😂Baki can’t even imagine pickle tho😂😂😂so pickle fighting and eating dinosaurs for living , his strength , endurance and stamina is off the chart . Remember , death killing blows from Musashi was avoided by Baki and Yujiro and Retsu failed with Shaori, pickle dnt even know what a sword is and wasn’t ready when he received tons of death killing slashes which was painful for him…but forget about being cut in half ,the blade didn’t even penetrate his muscles n his beast mode his muscles become so densed it stopped his blood flow. I always say, pickle vs Baki was like a super strong , durable and powerful bigger fighter vs a more skilled , less powerful, more agile yet less durable and lower stamina opponent …so Baki was more skilled than pickle but if they fight till last , Baki would loose stamina like with Yujiro , while pickle was stronger , bigger, more durable and better stamina so he would defntly get an opening when Baki works out to beat him. Same would be with Yujiro as he only fought imaginary dinosaur which is laughable as he laughed at Baki fighting imaginary mantis . Pickle is stronger , more durable , has better stamina so even if he can’t land punches n kicks , Yujiro’s stamina would worn out and prolly pickle would get some decent fatal attacks n slowly but surely win with high to extreme diff..hence Pickle truly is the strongest in Baki verse

[@JonathanRobert-jx2pi]

hes stronger than baki stop capping

[@mysteriousweeb]

musashi arc was 10 years ago m8

[@JonathanRobert-jx2pi]

@@mysteriousweeb i strill think he would win just off his hacks

[@cmon9505]

​@@JonathanRobert-jx2pisadly he wouldn't :(

[@atakanaksu3568]

Vides are good but voice and showing worst in KZbin

[@SandyRedcloud]

LOL MUSHI WIN

[@alfaromeo781]

This dude has gone crazy. He is comparing The Almighty God of martial arts to a modern master. Miyamoto Musashi was a real person in Japanese history who was adapted into the Baki series as a symbol of respect pitting him against the man himself Yujiro Hanma. And mind you, as Mizou Motobe rightly said, if he had not interrupted the slash from Miyamoto Musashi against Yujiro, Yujiro would never have ever woken up...meaning he would be dead instantly. That is Miyamoto Musashi's legend. While I have a lot of respect for Kuroki Gensai but a Miyamoto Musashi he will never be. I mean the man has books written on him. This is blasphemy dude. If you would hve compared him to Yujiro (which still would've been a little above his current level), I would have understood albeit with a grain of salt. The mountain that is Miyamoto Musashi is too far above any fighter in either of the two universes.