MuseSounds Comparison - Free vs Cinesamples vs Spitfire vs Berlin

[@alexandrodiova8386]

What a great demonstration, no one is talking about this and I appreciate that you did this video thank you.

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@alexandrodiova8386 no problem! I’m actually planning to upload a few more comparisons, possibly on specific sections.

[@alexandrodiova8386]

@@jacobcartermusic That would be great comparing them, I would like to know your opinion as well on which ones you liked the most, I am thinking of doing a mix between Berlin and Cinesamples.

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@alexandrodiova8386 Yes, I agree. Berlin and Cine are the best balanced, and currently have the least playback issues. Spitfire sounds really nice but has issues with accented notes being far too loud and issues playing legato. Then the free musesounds have big balance issues; The trombones and trumpets are extremely quiet, while violins and woodwinds are too loud.

[@sihplak]

Really hoping the people behind MuseSounds fix the balancing issues with the libraries. I'd love to be able to use any non-forte dynamics on vocals, for violas to not be totally drowned out, and for proper brass balance. I think the dynamic variation in performance is great, but the volume specifically is just not mixed properly for good playback in a balanced way.

[@timothymanukian]

to get around that I usually export my tracks as separate stems and mix in a daw or use musescore's mixer to get it roughly where I want it

[@LuiDeca]

they won't. because it's a cash grab.

[@javiermedina5313]

They will, who knows when...

[@RedMeansWar]

0:12 - CineSamples (Winds, Brass, String, And Percussion) 1:41 - Free MuseSounds 3:22 - Spitfire (Winds, Brass, String) 4:58 - Berlin (Winds, Brass, String, And Harp) 6:26 - CineSamples (Windows, Brass, Strings and Percussion) 8:28 - Free MuseSounds 10:40 - Spitfire (Winds, Brass, And Strings) 12:46 - Berlin (Winds, Brass, Strings, And Harp) I'm pretty sure that's all of them (let me know if I missed some timestamps)

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@RedMeansWar between 4:58 and 8:28 there is another cinesamples.

[@RedMeansWar]

@@jacobcartermusic Thanks I'll edit the comment

[@rearchive1284]

I feel like Berlin was the only one that gave justice to the woodwind solos.

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@rearchive1284 maybe.

[@eosborne6495]

Oh wow, the Berlin libraries sound really nice! I think those were my favorites overall. My biggest issues with Muse Sounds are the brass (trumpets and trombones sound weak and artificial, horns are out of tune, dynamic jump from mf to f makes smooth crescendos impossible) and the strings (too much portamento, muddy articulation, kind of "drunk" feel). Do you think that Berlin improves on those issues specifically? Enough to be worth the $100 or so to get all of the major libraries?

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@eosborne6495 yes, there is improvement. But they are not perfect, and still have bugs.

[@arthurlee91]

Man, Musecore has come a ALONG way since the first version.

[@OriginalFries]

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[@jacobcartermusic]

It's intended to be both.

[@diamondlambo6160]

Cine samples was 🔥

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@diamondlambo6160 yes. Them and Berlin were the best overall. Spitfire will be better once bugs are fixed. Muse was just unbalanced.

[@diamondlambo6160]

@@jacobcartermusic you mean spitfire will be better than it is now or spitfire will be the best of them?

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@diamondlambo6160 better than it is now.

[@eliasblaesing]

Gosh, did you write this? This is amazing! Download link?

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@eliasblaesing yes I did. Thanks so much! I’ll add the link in the description.

[@jacobcartermusic]

musescore.com/user/57393420/scores/20148241

[@LuiDeca]

lol, spitfire is CLEARLY off tempo, but they shipped it anyway. What a cash grab.

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@LuiDeca technically things are still in beta.

[@lucastornado9496]

this is a brand new thing lmao chill

[@criticalhealthmusic]

i'm not sure if it's my mixer balancing, but i've found a lot of the paid libraries (including musescore's free offering) don't work very well in concert band, wind ensemble, and pop/jazz contexts. is this just a me problem or are others having it too?

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@criticalhealthmusic I think the reason for that is because the libraries are designed for orchestral pieces.

[@criticalhealthmusic]

@@jacobcartermusic i assumed this was the case, but i was hoping that at least one of their paid options would cater towards my use-case :(

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@criticalhealthmusicthey could end up releasing a library specifically for big band at some point.

[@wietzejohanneskrikke1910]

Use more of the spot/close mics, choose your articulations wisely, which might mean discarding ones that don't work for the style you're working in and mix them with the effects that are appropriate to the style. That often means using shorter reverbs and more drastic eq and compression settings than you would usually use in more classical setup. Also ensemble size matters. Go for libraries with fewer players per section and using more solo/first chair instruments. I hope that helps.

[@criticalhealthmusic]

@@wietzejohanneskrikke1910 this is good advice for DAW, but I was hoping muse group would provide a less time consuming option i.e. a library tooled and recorded specifically for that wind ensemble sound that's just a drag and drop within musescore

[@eltonwild5648]

Is it possible to trigger legato in the third party samples inside musescore?

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@eltonwild5648 musescore plays legato by default

[@kurboe283]

As Musescore is at first notation software I would hope that the expression text (e.g. legato) you apply would directly influence the third party VSTs too. It also makes me want to compare a third party's MuseHub library with its much more expensive VST sample library - what major difference is there?

[@lumpichu]

What actually is MuseScore? Is the sound there only to help you write or has it also finished music creation in mind?

[@jacobcartermusic]

Musescore is a notation software. The sound is mainly there to aid you in your writing. However, the developers are working towards a point where you could use the audio. The audio us already very impressive.

[@jorgefpramos]

How did you assign the staffs to each different patch?..

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@jorgefpramos in the mixer

[@nakologic1]

Nice comparison. You've done a great job. In my opinion, as an amateur musician, you don't know the range of the instruments. This gives you serious problems in hearing and playing. Here's a link to my latest composition in which the Muscore MuseHub instruments sound: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mamrgml-mq2lZ68

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@nakologic1 not sure what you mean exactly.

[@nakologic1]

@@jacobcartermusic Each instrument has a different frequency. You can't just put a flute on its lowest notes to play in unison with an even lower instrument. The balance of frequencies is what gives "color" to music. Here's an example of an arrangement I made of the Pirates of the Caribbean. You can see what I'm talking about in the score: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2HEnYB8bp2tbdU

[@pg.ledesma]

I think Berlin has better and more realistic sounds. Is the best.

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@pg.ledesma I think Berlin is the best overall. However, for this example, my favourite is cinesamples.

[@yggdrasil7033]

@@jacobcartermusic which would you recommend if your going to be composing orchestral music in general, Which has the most realistic sound, Im leaning towards berlin. Which would you recommend? For Brass, For Strings etc. Or would it be better if i purchased the packs and not the sections individually and mash them up?

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@yggdrasil7033 I would recommend not mixing and matching the paid libraries, simply because each one has a distinct room sound. I think overall, the best is Berlin, however it does depends on the style your going for. For example, Cinesamples is the best for film scoring.

[@yggdrasil7033]

@@jacobcartermusic why exactly do you say the cinesamples is the best for film?

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@yggdrasil7033 Cinesamples were specifically made for film scoring; they were recorded on a famous Sony film scoring stage, and mixed by Dennis Sands. They have the most “cinematic” sound.

[@jakobymaster]

Its just crazy that the free one is the most realistic..

[@jacobcartermusic]

I strongly disagree. The free musesounds are incredibly unbalanced, the trumpets/trombones are hardly audible, while the violins and winds are too loud.

[@notaninstrument7707]

@@jacobcartermusicyeah but can’t you just fix that in the mixer?

[@bossk8957]

@@notaninstrument7707 Barely, but you are extremely limited and it's a huge pain. And the dynamic levels are so huge in the increments

[@jacobcartermusic]

@@bossk8957 not really, for example muse trombones are super quiet at mf but super loud at f.

[@bossk8957]

@@jacobcartermusic that’s what I meant by the increments are huge. There’s not true control of the dynamics

[@javiermedina5313]

what's your favorite of all of them? I liked the first piece

[@jacobcartermusic]

Cinesamples