Musical References: Homestuck - Descend

[@greykoepp4624]

So what we're getting here is that the song is actually just a medley and Descend is just the backbeat.

[@joojitaold]

Grey Koepp Even the backbeat is Upwards movement

[@lpsp442]

To put it another way, Collide was just what Toby had been doing for ages with Homestuck Songs.

[@orngjce223]

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why I say that Toby Fox learned leitmotif at the knee of Andrew Hussie and his music team.

[@heheheiamasuperstarwarrior9281]

Fuck I'd believe it

[@PilkDrinker69]

the more i read homestuck the more i notice the inspiration that toby had from it in undertale

[@PilkDrinker69]

hotlands is literally just lohac XD

[@Argletrough]

Descend isn't a composition, it's a highlights reel.

[@nachfullbarertrank5230]

tbh that kinda sounds like a criticism lol

[@consensualduane]

The reason I love this song, and it was such a fitting theme for the end of an act, was just the collision of leitmotifs that all flow together perfectly.

[@TheProfessorAO69]

Damn, here I thought I knew all the songs in this. Toby is a very sneaky fuck.

[@ailaxvo64_]

Sburban jungle is the Once Upon A Time of Homestuck

[@JohLeclerc]

Wait, What

[@revivememanihavetheraygun3475]

Cuz it's the start of something great

[@thydokhanhpho489]

I like to think Showtime is

[@DokterKaj]

Once Upon A Time is the Sburban Jungle of Undertale.

[@parvatin1759]

@@revivememanihavetheraygun3475 more like the beginning of something excellent

[@sailorenthusiast]

So what you’re telling me, is that Descend is basically the ultimate Homestuck medley.

[@razorblade6219]

I like how upward movement is used the entire time John and Jade are falling down

[@bianglegaming1127]

Let's break this down by the visual cues in Descend! 0:13 - Upward Movement, associated with Dave, starts off a Dave-centric flash 0:24 - Sburban Jungle - A meteor from Sburb breaks through the clouds, Crowsprite attacks, Cruxite item falls 0:32 - Beatdown, from the Dave/Bro strifes - zoom in on Bro 0:42 - Mutiny - A removed song previously used for the Becquerel Strife, not much connection to Bro cutting the meteor? 0:51 - Showtime, frequent John Strife music - cuts to Dave in the Medium fighting imps 1:00 - Aggrieve, Rose's strife music with her Mom - Cut to Mom and Dad on Grandpa's battleship 1:09 - Black, iirc a dersite and Midnight Crew associated song - Cut to Jack Noir, slaughter on battlefield 1:19 - Guardian, used for Jade before? - Not much relevance, shows farmer WV at the end I guess 1:27 - Sburban Jungle - Red miles used on Battlefield, Sburb Black Queen's power/weapon, continues through John sending off kids to the meteors 1:31 - Harlequin - Prototyped / Harlequin dressed carapacians and chess monsters destroyed 1:35 - Explore, used when WV launched the sburb station - We see the inside of the meteor lab and its tech being used 1:40 - Chorale for Jaspers - Kids get sent off with meteor companions, which includes Mutie 1:44 - Underworld - Cut back to the Battlefield 1:53 - Three in the Morning, Midnight Crew song - CD hands Jack the Staff, DD creates Becquerel, HB does nothing 2:00 - Non Compos Mentis, not a Homestuck song and apparently an external one, the phrase is basically defined as "not in one's right mind" - Jack triggers the Reckoning super early, DD creates Becquerel 2:09 - Pumpkin Cravings - Jade grew Pumpkins, zoom on Becquerel officially alchemized, AR having a scared face that explains and calls back to his reaction to WV's pumpkin with the Bec silhouette 2:14 - Skies of Skaia - Cut to Jade sleeping on her cloudy bed, exploring Prospit's moon, staring up at Skaia throughout, and then seeing Jack Noir approach from there. The White Queen, supporter of Skaia, leaves Prospit. 2:16 - Sburban Jungle - Cut to the Medium, Prospit, Skaia, the rest of the previous description 2:36 - Doctor - Prospit's moon is burning, John is therefore in danger. 2:41 - Penumbral Phantasm, referenced in the song Prospit Dreamers - Again, Prospit is burning, and the moon is detached. The dreamers are falling. 2:45 - Endless Climb - Prospit's moon is detached. Irony? 2:54 - Atomyk Ebonpure, used previously when we first saw LOHAC and time travel - Jack goes off to fight Bro on Lohac on what looks like another clock/turntable. like Dave's devices. 2:58 - Endless Climb - Zoom on Jack's face... just motif continuation for the overall song 3:03 - Sburban Jungle - Zoom on Bro and Jack... just motif continuation for the overall song 3:07 - Endless Climb and Lotus - Bro scratches the Beat mesa, something something skaia lotus capsule meteors scratch etc. A stretch. 3:13 - Sburban Jungle - Cut back to Prospit falling 3:17 - Problem Sleuth theme - John's dream room comes into the picture, John has a PS game in his CD rack in his real house 3:22 - Upward Movement - Irony, this whole sequence is the culmination of all the falling and crashing down, continues through the rest of the Descend animation. Jade falls out of her room irl, meteors fall to skaia, Dave (who's associated with this motif) is the only part of this sequence ASCending into his first gate (which will in turn Descend him somewhere on his planet's surface), The meteors and kids descend to Earth wrapped up by the one striking John's house 3:39 - Beatdown - Prospit's moon is giving Jade's dream self and dreambot a beatdown 3:49 - Sburban Jungle, continues through the end - John finally wakes up, skaian defense portals open up, previously noted meteor sburb mechanics, Dave and Rose interact with their first gates, fight and explore 3:53 - Beatdown - Zoom out to heavily damaged Battlefield 3:55 - Penumbral Phantasm - Specific audio accompaniment to the Skaian defense portals, and we see ruined prospit itself 4:00 - Beatdown - Closeup of meteors hurtling towards Skaia 4:02 - Penumbral Phantasm - quick montage of the kids on their meteors, Prospit and Derse dreamers 4:06 - Beatdown - Rose attacking an ogre as well as destroying her first gate, Dave motif as he ascends, meteor strikes John's house 4:27 - Penumbral Phantasm - Meteor bearing down on Jade's house, she's the last waiting to enter and a former Prospit dreamer

[@oliveoiI]

i think you got the timing wrong...

[@aepokkvulpex]

@@oliveoiI Should've clarified, this is the timing on the Descend flash itself, probably adds some # of seconds because of the preloader. forgot to think about that

[@linaperez4838]

Thank you for such a thorough analysis!

[@daviddjordjevic2889]

Mutiny - both Bec and Bro saved their kids from a meteor

[@LambdadeltaFFR]

This makes me really want to give Homestuck another shot. Thank you.

[@noahporter1903]

Awwww yeah! One more homestuck fan. So, are you done yet?

[@CryingARiver]

Noah Porter It took me probably majority of the school year to finish homestuck

[@straciatella777]

in conclusión: "Descend" is a remix of all the Vol. 1,2,3 n' 4 songs

[@kople5563]

I can't quite hear guardian. But I played "Name the leimotif" with my friend. And I won because of this song :DDDD

[@pidove01]

Man, I missed like half of these before watching this.

[@dazeslays]

toby "radiation" fox? more like toby "leitmotif" fox

[@JayBarnettJDSO]

woodfur00 Toby composed descend.

[@indubitably9070]

woodfur00 Then who did?

[@omeganave7425]

More like Toby “Don’t Call Me Radiation” “Radiation” Fox.

[@linky0064]

This was always one of my favourite songs, but I had no idea about all of this!

[@uncreativerandomness1239]

END OF YEAR 1

[@codygoldenflame7996]

Nah. That was during s jack ascend

[@palmerpatel6390]

DAY 413

[@waterPsychiatrist]

Oh fuck I just remembered how cool homestuck was

[@felixcsernak5031]

Homestuck is the best!

[@Ang3lUki]

Dave roleplayed right.

[@fieldrequired283]

It was also the worst. Still the best, though.

[@epik465]

We can all agree that this song is beautiful in ways that words cannot describe

[@junedug]

Boy this brings back memories. :') I never knew he composed _so much music_ for Homestuck until recently.

[@glitchcanon]

I just want en extended version of that Black/Guardian mashup.

[@bigzingus2001]

i literally cannot hear leitmotifs unless they're pointed out to me so this whole video i was just going "wtf, wtf,,, wtfffffffffffffffffffffffffffff" and then doctor came up and i was like "WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF"""

[@buntyhunter4142]

Another leitmotif heavy song: Fighting Spirit.

[@DarkGamer641]

it literally has all the leitmotifs in the description.seriously,lick the screen to see

[@buntyhunter4142]

+Hero_of_Legend I read it... I just said that Fighting Spirit also has alot of leitmotifs 😓

[@DarkGamer641]

+Terezi Pyrope oh whoops

[@HeartzGaming]

I absolutely love the 'black' or 'liquid whatever' part, it's so great

[@elryia]

Liquid Negrocity

[@jim-wr3lp]

woke cant say negrocity

[@linkopeningachestbackwards4741]

I didn't even notice a bunch of these wow

[@declanarmstrong7020]

My dream leitmotif song: It begins with the intro for cascade and the beat for upward movement. After a while it cuts to atomyk ebonpyre with endless climb. It then moves to black, black cuts to dead shuffle, dead shuffle has the suburban jungle tune faintly in the background, it cuts to beat down, you get the cascade guitar in their, and then it finishes with a bang using killed by br8k spider.

[@thekatdragon4966]

Descend is the best Homestuck song. Heir of grief and Oppa Toby style are next though.

[@deltaphant_]

Make her a member of the leitmotif crew

[@eldersun5110]

I LOVE Sburban Jungle .

[@woodfur00]

I looked EVERYWHERE to figure out who wrote Problem Sleuth. Thank you for including proper credits!!

[@roriksavant]

Thank you so much for this! Descend is pretty much what cemented my addiction to Homestuck and I always wonder what part is what...

[@ForgieDusker]

i do love a good mashup medley, and one from the Ulysses of the internet is no exception.

[@teadrinkerthe8th25]

The Aggrieve and Beatdown letmotifs are my favorite.

[@celadonk]

Thank you for posting this! Descend is one of the biggest song mashups I know.

[@prismarinestars7471]

I love how it both starts and ends with Upward Movement

[@madkirk7431]

"Big Shot has the most leitmotifs" Me, an intellectual:

[@linkmariokirby7373]

thanks for reminding us that Toby Fox has still only ever written the one song

[@alexandershea2418]

Black shows up again for a moment at 1:51.

[@cognitiveAfflatus]

Wow. Undertale just got completely destroyed. Even their most leitmotif-y song can't top this.

[@Putnam3145]

+LugiaTamer23 It's all Toby Fox. Bring it In, Guys is pretty good at this for the length, when I think of it, but no, it's not quite Descend level. EDIT: "It's all Toby Fox" meaning Undertale and this song's arrangement, not all of Homestuck's music or all of the songs arranged in this piece.

[@soullessgamer2132]

+Putnam this song has roughly the number of Leitmotifs in Undertale

[@DarkGamer641]

+Putnam I hope Toby makes Undertale 2 or makes the next MS paint adventure

[@imaginationnone9297]

Hero_of_Legend ITS ALL HOPES AND DREAMS

[@DarkGamer641]

charlie gahan toby will have to SAVE THE WORLD

[@wiiuski]

i wish the album version had the squiddles theme in it. It feels a lot better that way to me.

[@willphoenix5464]

The Great Walujski NOPE

[@zweiihanderr]

HEY HOW ABOUT NO

[@zweiihanderr]

iTS, vERY ANNOYING

[@zweiihanderr]

1T R4P3S MY 3ARS

[@zweiihanderr]

al5o makes me very 5ad Just dont do iit

[@MrTrickBrick]

Well damn. Toby impresses me again. Awesome.

[@obliviansvoid6844]

2:38 you missed a bit of Sburban Jungle

[@teadrinkerthe8th25]

I thought there was something wrong with my headphones at the start. It''s just silent bc, well, words.

[@crystallinechaos8174]

This is hecking awesome. Thanks for putting all the track links up!

[@Zoukos23]

Fuck, I'm so proud I found out about Toby... This guy is a beast!!!

[@aesteno]

Toby “reusingthesameexactsongineverysinglelittlething” fox

[@RicebunnyDewfall]

I never noticed 3 in the morning and doctor there

[@ailurophilekia6565]

What an amazing track

[@friendlycoy]

The fact that you missed so many tracks that appear in Descend, makes me want to share this little link: facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1208410&s=cd667c4c3eda9b89eb2a27d7ae1b56d9&p=37500483&viewfull=1#post37500483 Or for the lazy ones that doesn't read descriptions or enter a forum link: (ALL) Dave Owns - Kali (ALL) Sburban Countdown - Bowman 0:18 Beatdown - Norock 0:27 Mutiny - Pleocoma 0:36 Showtime - DragonXVI 0:45 Aggrieve - AgentParsec 0:53 Liquid Negrocity - Radiation 1:00 Guardian - Pleocoma 1:15 Harlequin - AgentParsec 1:20 Explore - Buzinkai 1:25 Chorale for Jaspers - Bowman 1:28 Underworld - Tenebrais 1:38 Three in the Morning - Plazmataz 1:46 Non Compos Mentis - Pleocoma 1:53 Pumpkin Cravings - Beatfox 1:59 Skies of Skaia - AgentParsec 2:03 Vagabounce - MightyMoose 2:08 Skaian Skuffle - Adghar 2:20 Doctor - Buzinkai 2:29 Endless Climb - Buzinkai 2:33 Jackknife - Jit (old fan music song) 2:39 Atomyk Ebonpyre - Radiation 2:48 Sburban Jungle - Bowman 2:58 Squiddles! - Albatross Soup 3:00 Friendship Aneurysm - XFactorInfinity 3:10 Problem Sleuth Theme Song - AgentParsec 3:24 Dirgeish - OMGTSN (old original piece) 3:30 Beatdown - Norock 4:13 ???

[@toobig7399]

Toby, what the fuck.

[@obliviansvoid6844]

Friendly Coy 413

[@straciatella777]

Beatdown but in a higher midi

[@imaginationnone9297]

LOVE THIS SONG SO MUCH

[@joom3004]

charlie gahan Agreed.

[@killigrew8635]

Masterpiece!!

[@stupirruccello]

ugh i love this

[@anaalvarenga1881]

Sburban jungle is my fave

[@VampLovr54]

F in the chat for mutiny All traces of the original song have been nuked :o(

[@Valetravelgames]

That tv static noise...

[@PascalvandenBos]

missed a few but this is pretty dang cool

[@marc4theart]

its like a medley#!!! 0u0

[@1cbear745]

woudl you ever consider making an updated version with all the lost annotations? it's a shame that youtube nuked them :(

[@straciatella777]

Problem Sleuth AYYYYYYY CARAMBA THAT REMEMBERS

[@bluefire7991]

THANK YOU OH MY GOD

[@ssandmuncher7529]

make one for doctor!!

[@wayverleesoulsong]

So sad that some songs got deleted from the volumes, those are great songs

[@Anemeethious]

im sorry what

[@hygienic_wig2507]

@@Anemeethious Penumbra Phantasm (don't know if I spelled that right) being an example.

[@jamiewoodward9169]

JACK NOIR I don’t believe that was ever released.

[@jamiewoodward9169]

Anemeethious Bill Bolan’s Guardian and Mutiny got removed when he ragequit the music team.

[@siliconmonday]

3:33 “Dirgeish”

[@fellower]

Now I kinda want to see cascade.

[@Putnam3145]

+Maximus It's Cascade (Beta version), which is mostly original, then Flare, which is mostly original up until Cascade comes back near the end, then Savior of the Dreaming Dead, which is all Doctor and Penumbra Phantasm, then Black Hole/Green Sun, which is Black Rose/Green Sun with some added epic afaik.

[@fellower]

Could have sworn I heard more than that, but maybe it's just me.

[@DarkGamer641]

+Maximus cascade is an arrangement of descend with way more guitar,and the black part is just a guitar solo.also,the second part if cascade beta is the motif from flare (cascade cut)

[@Putnam3145]

cascade's not an arrangement of descend at all, it just has similar peaks etc. because it was designed to go with the flash

[@alexandershea2418]

Actually, the motif from Flare (Cascade Cut) is referenced from Cascade Beta, not the other way around. And Savior of the Dreaming Dead is also (Cascade Cut) and has a different ending that references Cascade Beta again.

[@hyperlybola]

Musical genius

[@orangesilver8]

Hehe. This time you actually have 100% likes, and more than one like. Which, is actually somewhat significant.

[@CaptainFalcoyd]

You missed a few, like Vagabounce and Skaian Skuffle around 2:20-2:30.

[@Putnam3145]

i had annotations for those...

[@Primecone]

You forgot Dirgeish around 3:30. (EDIT: This has been fixed.) But awesome work otherwise. Dirgeish: unofficialmspafans.bandcamp.com/track/dirgeish Revered Return (officially-released rearrangement): homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/revered-return

[@Putnam3145]

+Robert Dioso OH MAN this is what annotations are for

[@adrin181]

WOW how did you hear that those are some amazing ears, dude

[@sebastiansmith6233]

my clock turned 4:13 just as the song ended

[@oconsertador9021]

Yo dude, could you make an "Musical references: Homestuck - Overture (Canon Edit)"?

[@celadonk]

Oh and I don't know if you know this, but Patient stems from Doctor.

[@PascalvandenBos]

Undertale just got shreked.

[@lenardadamyague815]

BEAT THIS SONG UNDERTALE!

[@glitchcanon]

Putting the song at 1.5x speed scares me

[@ferociousfeind8538]

Hot Dayum.

[@garnetnovember9118]

FUCK I NEVER REALIZED

[@siliconmonday]

The only motif that I CAN’T identify in here is Chorale for Jaspers. Can someone help me out?

[@devdis_5414]

wheres Dirgeish in here?

[@Putnam3145]

annotations are dead :(

[@devdis_5414]

@@Putnam3145 : (

[@voidhead6584]

leitmotifs due to Undertale? this song came up way before Undertale was made

[@Putnam3145]

it is primarily due to undertale that he is known for his usage of leitmotif

[@neosniper8940]

VoidHead Can you read?

[@Ang3lUki]

Descend actually contains more leitmotifs than all of Undertale.

[@emeraldarwyn5367]

try other homestuck songs that are leitmotif heavy (Rex duodecim angelis) (I hope I spelled that right)

[@Putnam3145]

rex duodecim angel*u*s. anyway, that's trolls, like, it's basically a medley of the alternia album

[@wimberlen]

Leitmotifs? Best in the game baybee

[@brostrider1886]

I see

[@LasagnaPhil]

For those who want to see the actual flash and the leitmotif side by side: viewsync.net/watch?v=609Z28HTAjE&t=0&v=w2Cd9akmDl4&t=12

[@justincase1582]

wait whats mutiny

[@tri7352]

Just in case N Rose's mutant cat thingy. im not sure

[@justincase1582]

no the song

[@hvegaval]

Mutiny is a removed song which was originally used as Jade's strife theme with Becquerel.It's removed because Bill Bollin being asshole to the crew members and he kicked out of team.

[@FabbrizioPlays]

Cascade eat your heart out

[@newbtewbed2894]

Anyone know what part of Sburban Jungle 3:03 is?

[@Putnam3145]

The ostinato that can be heard from the very start

[@newbtewbed2894]

Ah - I didn't realize! It's has a few different notes so I didn't recognize it. Thank you!

[@tearay1073]

Wait so what's the leitmotif? The drum beat or the violin thingy?

[@Putnam3145]

Both of 'em

[@tearay1073]

Putnam I see

[@heavenlyevan]

Most of the links in the description appear to not work for me.

[@milkbox103]

this makes me so nostalgic and i HATE IT

[@selinnazsur2328]

Is it just my app or does this vid have 666 likes xD

[@Alignn]

Are these all the same leitmotif? I thought they had to share the melody, not the tonality and rhythm.

[@Putnam3145]

all of them that are mentioned share the same melody

[@Alignn]

I'll admit that I never noticed Ruins, Waterfall and Spear of Justice all using the same melody at different speeds, but I could at least hear it after it was pointed out to me - I can't say the same for ex, Atomik Ebonpyre and Harlequin. Maybe I've just confused the terminology?

[@Putnam3145]

...Atomik Ebonpyre even uses the same _instruments_ here as the original, not just the exact same melody. Harlequin's melody there is the same as the first few seconds of Harlequin.

[@Alignn]

I must have a very different idea of what melody means because they sound so clearly different, even if they flow together well in this mix. I don't even recognize that Harlequin part at 1:30, it sounds nothing like what I get when I search youtube for "homestuck harlequin" EDIT: Or wait, maybe what you were showing in this video was the leitmotifs the song Descend used? Because that's not the same as all these songs sharing the same leitmotif... I think.

[@Putnam3145]

...Yeah, it's labeling the songs that Descend is quoting.

[@straciatella777]

0:17 * wet*

[@shepsfield]

terezi owns?

[@smivan.]

I feel like MeGaLovania would fit in there as well

[@TheGreatandAlmightyPoob]

But this is actually before the trolls get introduced, and waaaaaaay before Vriska faces off with Tavros.

[@Putnam3145]

+ALPHYS (Ham Solo) megalovania was released before then too, though not much more (seriously it was like a few weeks??? i could've sworn it was longer, i had been reading for a few months by that time)

[@kokothings5575]

@@TheGreatandAlmightyPoob megalovania existed before Homestuck as a whole

[@Squeakwee]

toby is one clever b*stard